scapegoat in case the economy goes south. david: gang, that was a terrific discussion. we'll tell you what amazon is planning coming together. thanks for joining us, "evening edit" starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> we know from a recent investigation by "the new york times" that facebook was aware of the fact that these ads were being placed. >> any information you can seen contained within that cache of e-mails was, at best, partial. and at worst, misleading. >> the company's knowledge because of a separate investigation. not in the multiple areas that the company -- [inaudible] they didn't report it to anyone at the time, and during the period when we were asking questions about it, no one disclosed that the company was aware of this information earlier. >> i do want to set the context, and those e-mailed are unverified, partial accounts

from a source who has a particular angle. elizabeth: wow, that was a heated exchange at a hearing in the u.k. mark zuckerberg a no-show in great britain to answer new bombshell charges. et goes from -- it goes from bad to worse at facebook. the stunning new allegations out of the u.k. based on facebook e-mails. facebook was warned about russians trolling through facebook, harvesting your information much earlier than realized starting way back in 2014. up to three billion data points a day. this as u.s. senators here in this country warn facebook may have broken the law. we explain. also coming up, google now under fire by seven countries in europe who now say google is still secretly tracking you even after you turn it off. and that google tricks you into giving it much more information about yourself and your families, more than you realize all without your consent.

this as google workers now demand google must stop building a censored search engine for china that that china can use to commit human rights violations. protests worldwide on that, we're on it. also coming up to capitol hill, high-level meetings over the border wall funding. what is that poison pill that will cause republican conservatives to defeat it? plus, details tonight on the new republican push for results from that justice department probe into the clinton foundation. new details showing donations plummeting after hillary lost the election. republicans say that's proof that the clintons engaged in pay to play. thank you so much for joining us, thank you for watching. money, politics, we've got the debate behind tomorrow's headlines. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪ ♪

elizabeth: welcome to the show. you're watching the fox business network. over 100 google workers publishing an open letter today, slamming google, demanding it stop building a censored search engine for china. it's designed to possibly blacklist words like human rights or student protests. fear is that china will use that google search engine to arrest its own citizens and commit even more human rights violations. hillary vaughn has the details. >> reporter: hi, liz. well, these google engineers really are teaming up to take on google, trying to get them to shut down the development of this dragonknew search engine. the googlers calling out google for putting what they call profits over their own company's values that are supposed to include basic human rights. finish the letter writing, quote: drag gone fly in china would establish a dangerous press tent at a volatile

political moment, one that would make it harder for google to deny other countries similar concessions, providing the chinese government with ready is the access to user data as required by chinese law would make google complicit in oppression and human rights abuses. this is not the first time googlers have sounded off about this product. the letter says thousands internally at google have protested the tools. many of these people that signed on to this letter are engineers, and they say they should have a say how the tools that they are o u tng are beingse eice o cse ventou use google's day to silence dissenters, censor unpopular points of view, concerns the data would also make chinese citizens less safe. so google's been dealing with a lot of backlash about this publicly too. lawmakers on capitol hill, even vice president mike pence

calling for google to stop the development of this product, but each time google has offered this same very statement that thaw wrote months ago even though the letter today was published this morning saying that their have to wait and see if google decides to address publicly some of these concerns by their own employees. they're not the only tech company in the not light. mark zuckerberg not shamed on twitter after he failed to show up before law makes in the u.k. that were demanding answers over russian activity on their platform after reports revealed they could have been mining three billion bits of data from the site a day. so he didn't show up. instead, he sent someone else. so britain's department of digital, culture, media and sport tweeted a photo of an 'emingty chair with a name plaque card writing, where is mark zuckerberg? facebook sent their vp of policy

solutions to answer questions from lawmakers that then grilled him over this and also the absence of facebook's ceo. zuckerberg has faced scrutiny in the u.k. for not facing lawmakers there after he faced congress here in the u.s. they, of course, have a lot of questions that are very similar to a lot of the questions that lawmakers here on capitol hill had as well. elizabeth: hillary vaughn, great reporting. thank you so much. and more trouble for google, seven countries accusing them of secretly tracking users' locations, also secretly building detailed profiles of users without our consent. and the new facebook bombshell, zuckerberg and the facebook e-mails seized by the u.k. parliament that facebook was warned that russians were trolling through our data, harvesting way back starting in 2014, earlier than realized. three billion data points a day, that's what the u.k. is saying. let's bring in republican florida congressman francis

rooney. great to see you, sir. >> thanks for having me on. elizabeth: what's your reaction to all of this? >> well, i think facebook and google are showing some of the abusive behavior that a dominant competitor can do, and i think we need to take seriously how we're going to deal with it. i mean, this business of google doing the things you just talked about, facebook censoring conservative posts and sources, we can't allow them in a free society with a first amendment to operate that way. elizabeth: is there a growing consensus that congress will try to regulate facebook and social media? here we've got the u.s. senator amy klobuchar saying facebook may have broken a law. she's worried that facebook may be illegally using its mountain of data against government officials scrutinizing it including on the intelligence committees. is there a push in congress now to regulate these guys? >> well, we'll see what the incoming democrat majority in the house wants to do. identify been pushing for two years that we follow the europeans' attitude of bringing antitrust actions against

facebook and google for their abusive market share and that we hold them accountable for data breaches. elizabeth: you going to hold hearings on it? >> i hope they do. i mean, i think the things you just talked about, about google keeping that information and discreetly and clandestinely keeping it and then with facebook admitting that they've cent score sored conservative sources in violation of the first amendment are serious problems for me. elizabeth: u.k. politicians saying facebook purposefully and knowingly set up a back door for companies like cambridge analytica to get in and take our information, also reading our facebook messages. we don't know who else is roadwaying our facebook messages, in effect saying facebook created, knowingly created a loophole and sold it. what do you think of that? >> i think it's total derogation of first amendment and privacy rights, and we need to dill into it and address it. just like this behavior in china. facebook wants to be protected by the power of the united states when they're threatened, but they're going to go in there and conspire with china?

elizabeth: yeah, that's google. >> lenin used to say the capitalists will sell us the ropes we'll use to hang them with. elizabeth: congressman, we'll stay on the story. can you come back on in the future? >> >> love to do it anytime. thank you very much. elizabeth: now we've got to keep an eye on amazon, "the wall street journal" reporting they're stepping into health data, planning to sell software to doctors and hospitals to mine our medical records all in an attempt for better patient service. you know what happens there, we're always worried about that. joining me now, republican strategist ford o'connell and democrat strategist kevin walling. ford, you heard our conversation just now on all of this. what's your reaction to all of this, ford? >> well, look, i think that big tech is like the wild west. there are no rules and, essentially, collectively they wield more power than big brother. and with democrats taking back the house and folks like elizabeth warren running for president, there are going to be

regulations, the only question is when. elizabeth: kevin, here's the thing, these guys act very altruistic in public. oh, you know, we're sorry, we're altruistic, but then we're going to get your consent later after we push it, after we take your stuff. what's your reaction? >> sure, liz. i couldn't agree with ford more that it's the wild west. you know, mark zuckerberg testified before congress last april. it's clear we need him back as soon as possible to answer some of these questions. if not, congress you're also seeing a dip in terms of their stock value, down 20%. so clearly, consumers are concerned about privacy issues, about regulatory issues regarding facebook. so if congress doesn't get them to the table, hopefully consumers will push them to become better citizens when it comes to these issues. elizabeth: kevin makes an important point, ford, because -- let me back up. facebook also let cambridge analytica read our facebook messages. we don't know who else is reading our messages. this is really bad.

will the market fix it, or should government fix it? >> well, i don't know that the market is going to fix it, and i think you're also raising another question, liz, and that is that, basically, data privacy is seen in america among voters on a bipartisan scale on both size of the aisle like pre-existing p conditions. and when we look over to the e.u. and what they're doing with data privacy, i think that's going to be a guide going forward. but remember, president trump is not very big on regulation, and he wants to avoid the headaches of a monstrous piece of legislation like dodd-frank and us unintended consequences. i see something narrowly tailored working towards data privacy, and if that doesn't work, then you may have more government regulation. the idea is to put some brake on big tech but not to clamp them down. remember, they're also driving our economy and our jobs. elizabeth: yeah, that's an important point too. silicon valley is a big economic growth driver. kevin, the level of debate is so impoverished in this country, the fact that big tech has been censoring conservative thought and discussions on policy, on economic policy when way back in

the day he saw ted kennedy -- i will always say that ted kennedy and chuck schumer voted for the tax cuts. we don't see those debates happening on facebook or google's social media. what is going on with these algorithms basically censoring conservative debate? it is ruining this democracy, that's what the polls are showing. >> liz, i couldn't agree with you more. i'm a die jr. hard democrat, that's why i come on this show, i really love where you give a voice to both sides. i think that's where the majority of americans are, and it really should give us pause if there is that kind of censorship going which is why i support bipartisan efforts. you mentioned senator klobuchar and senator kennedy from louisiana that are pushing forward with that very thing in the united states senate. elizabeth: this story is not going to go way. kevin and ford, we're going to have you back on. thank you very much for your insight tonight. good to see you. now to the border and the latest on the caravan. jeff paul is there reporting

live on the ground in tijuana, mexico. jeff? >> reporter: yeah, elizabeth, a press conference just wrapped up with some members of that migrant caravan just a few moments ago, and they put out a list of things they'd like to see moving forward. the one -- the two that stick out to me, one, an end to unjust deportations, the other that they want an acceleration of the process of applying for asylum into the united states. we've spent some time talking with all sorts of different migrants who are out here, and we're getting mixed reactions from both. some feel what happened on sunday, that clash with border patrol, only makes the whole group look bad while others who were part of that march and demonstration say that they're going to stick it out, and they're hoping to still maybe one day get into the united states. take a listen. [speaking spanish] >> translator: i'm going to cross the united states whatever it is with these crutches. these crutches will not stop me from crossing that fence illegally or legally. but i do not intend to cross

illegally if i am hopeful that they will give me the papers. because the first thing is to ask for political asylum in the united states to enter legally. >> reporter: now, for the migrants out here, they can play a couple different ways. one of the options is to stay here which has probably more than 5,000 people with overcrowding out into the street while they wait for a possible chance for asylum in the united states, but they are only accepting -- not processing -- a hundred applications a day, if that. the other is to stay in tijuana and possibly try to get a work visa. or the third option is to head back to central america which we are starting to see more people look into that, and we saw our first van head down there today with a few people who had just given up and saying they're going back home. elizabeth? elizabeth: jeff paul in tijuana, thank you so much for your reporting, sir. good to see you. later in the show we will bring on texas attorney general ken paxson who will talk about the battle in d.c. over funding the border wall the president wants and also the government

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♪ elizabeth: welcome back. we're almost coming into the bottom of the hour. president trump now threatening to cut all federal subsidies to general motors including for gm's electric cars after gm announced it plans to lay off about 14,800 of its workers and shutter fife factories -- five factories in north america. deirdre bolton has the latest.

>> reporter: if we look at what the president tweeted out earlier, we will see his frustration. very disappointed in gm, very disappointed in the sea owe, mary barra, for closing plants in ohio, michigan and maryland. it is unclear, you mentioned this cessation of benefits, but it's unclear just how much gm benefits from federal government subsidies. it is also, quite frankly, unclear how the administration could restrict credit. but the tweet does escalate the president's public threats against gm as he pushes this company to keep the facilities open p in ohio and michigan and maryland. he has repeatedly pressured american companies, we remember harley davidson who considered shutting down facilities or moving operations overseas after he pledged on the campaign trail to revive u.s. manufacturing. now, gm did put out its own statement, we're going to put that on the screen as well so you can follow. i'll just read part of it. but gm is committed to pawn taping a strong manufacturing

presence in the u.s. as evidenced by our more than $22 billion in investment in operations since 2009. the company also talks about adding technical and engineering jobs saying it appreciates the support it has from this administration. but i think, liz, it's worth pointing out that gm is no longer only competing with a traditional carmaker such as ford. the company is facing pressure from a lot of the silicon valley upstarts, from tesla, uber, apple, google. all of those companies want to make self-driving cars, all of those companies want to make electric cars. and i guess the sum total, self-driving electric ones. so gm does have a lot of pressure, and mary barra, the ceo, saying these moves are made to reinvent the company and keep it alive. elizabeth: great reporting, deirdre. come back soon. let's bring in an an expert. she's brilliant, she's at the mercatus center, also a syndicated columnist. there you are.

we don't know what federal subsidies the white house is talking about. there's a plug-in tax credit that goes to consumers for electric cars, but i want to have this conversation with you. we know that gm got, you know, billions, tens of billions of dollars in bailout money. why can't these automakers retool their factories to build either small cars or big cars like trucks and suvs? >> well, i mean, you know me, i'm against those bailouts that gm and other automakers got, and i think it's not the role of the government to interfere in the production lines or the behavior and whatever production decision companies are making. and they should be -- and it's actually good practice, it seems to me gm is actually doing the right thing which is looking at the market of your future in cars and saying this is what we need to do. and, obviously, they should be doing it without subsidies. elizabeth: yeah, that's the point. because you can, you know,

people can understand the president's frustration here. let me back up. u.s. taxpayers lost $11 billion on the 2008 bailout of gm, and you know what happened then was that oil prices spiked up, and nobody wants gm if's big cars and trucks at that time. oil prices and gas prices go down, now people want the big cars, they can afford it. they don't want the littler cars. why can't gm and carmakers get a grip on where gas prices are going? i think the president knows that carmakers can come with their tin cups to get bailouts. he doesn't want it anymore. >> government intervention into private businesses create massive distortions. it's bad for everyone, and consumers and taxpayers obviously, but it's also never quite great for the companies getting them because it actually pushes them into behaviors that are not efficient, and they're just out to seek subsidies. that being said, i would welcome

the president cutting all subsidies to all companies, but i don't think this is what he is trying to do right now. he's frustrated, and he's using the threat of removing subsidies for this particular company as a threat against it. and i think that has really just not proper for a president to do this. elizabeth: i hear what you're saying, and let's do the back story here. we know that the bailout of the carmakers is often a bailout of the unions. >> yeah, of course. elizabeth: we get that. and we know that these carmakers operate in important swing states for elections. that's the back story too. the question is, are the carmakers getting too lazy in fixing their own operations because they know they can come to the federal taxpayer? in other words, build factories you can immediately retool to build the cars that are in accordance with gas prices going up or down. >> i completely agree with you. and the problem is a lot of these subsidies actually lead to what we call mal investment.

elizabeth: right, that's it. >> you spend a lot of time going after subsidies and investing money because you want the subsidies as opposed to actually really thinking about what's best for your company. and it does seem though -- and, obviously, the bailout was part of this, i'm sorry. it is not the role of a government at the federal level or at the state level to go and bail out companies if they're not selling products that consumers want to buy. they shouldn't be bailed out. they should go under, or they should revamp their model, you know? they will have a dry patch or whatever, but this practice is not productive, it doesn't lead to an auto sector that is actually productive -- elizabeth: yeah. >> -- and competitive. and that is one of the problems. elizabeth: you're great. all of a sudden gm says it can move workers to other factories. i don't understand how mercedes can suddenly retool it existing car plants to make electric vehicles. if they can do it, well, why

can't the others? come back soon, we love having you on. coming up, we've got details on how the media botched the coverage of the tear gas used at the border. they didn't cover its use under the obama administration. we've got the numbers coming up. plus, a new house hearing is expected in a couple of weeks on the justice the president's probe into pay to play at the clinton foundation after new data shows toe nations there plummeting after hillary lost. and the cdc now confirming 116 cases of polio-like paralysis in the united states. more on that with doc siegel coming up next. stay there. ♪ ♪ ♪ the greatest wish of all... is one that brings us together. the lincoln wish list event is here.

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correspondent dr. marc siegel. flu-like symptoms, what is causing this disease, and how can you stop it? >> i think it's a virus, and cdc thinks it's a virus, but it may be more than one strain. it's not polio. it's a different kind of virus, not polio. polio-like. now, how could it be a virus and not spread from you to me? it's a very common virus, but it only causes this problem a very small amount of the time. elizabeth: how to you get it? >> well, it goes around like wildfire -- elizabeth: how could i get it? >> by sneezing, coughing, touching things. this is thousands and thousands of cases of the virus, but then this complication, again, only 117 cases and probably total almost 300 cases by the time -- elizabeth: a lot of children are getting it. >> that's right. 90% of the time it's under the age of 18. the average age is 4 years old. i can't make light of -- elizabeth: no, we're not making light. is there a vaccine for this?

how do you stop it? >> great question, liz. if we knew which strain of virus it was, we could do a vaccine. they have a vaccine, ev-68, which is one of the possible causes. but it's like the bread crumbs. you see the trail, but you're not exactly able to prove it. by the time they find this condition, evidence of the virus is already gone. so they can't prove it, so they don't want to -- elizabeth: understood. okay. because colorado's getting hit hard, and texas is getting hit hard, and there's been more than three and a half times the number of cases this year as last year. what would you advise parents out there to do? >> well, i always want to decrease the fear quotient. it's not contagious, i want to tell parents it's still -- elizabeth: but we still don't know how you get it. >> no, we do know. you had a respiratory virus, so if your kid and sowing and -- is coughing and sneezing, a few days later they end up weak, you should be on the lookout for that. signs of weakness following a respiratory --

elizabeth: flu-like symptoms. >> right. muscle ache, respiratory congestion, fever and then, bam, you get weak. very tragic but still rare. elizabeth: this is astonishing. sleep apnea devices that people wear at night, millions of people wear it. well, apparently these devices, doctor, are secretly spying on people? can you explain this one? >> this is really horrifying. first of all, i want to tell you that, as you say, millions have this condition, and it can lead to strokes, heart attacks, it can lead to diabetes -- elizabeth: so the device. >> this is a really scary disease. you have to wear the machines. they reverse it. they're really important, but guess what? the machine can see how long you've been wearing it. the ma end chien has a away of seeing whether you have the device on or not. it monitors the number of hours you have it on, and insurers are looking to see whether you're wearing it or not. and if you're not wearing, they're cutting off the reimbursement -- elizabeth: wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. the device is transmitting the

information to the device maker, the medical supplier and the insurer to see if you're wearing the device or not? >> wirelessly. elizabeth: wow. you don't even know the insurer's looking at you to cut up your coverage, is that the story? >> they're monitoring you, liz. elizabeth: even in your sleep. >> what are they going to monitor next? look at those brain waves. i mean, this is big brother. i think that -- my strong view is this goes too far. i'm okay with your doctor having this information, but i don't want your insurer having this. an invasion of the home. you can't even sleep anymore! elizabeth: i know. [laughter] good god. i can't believe that they've gone that far. can you believe that? that one shocked me. >> i think they should be illegal. i don't think they should be able to cut off your coverage. the machines are extremely important medically, they should be worn with, but insurers, stay out of the bedroom. elizabeth: no kidding. and the government to do. thank you, doc siegel. great stuff. coming up, will president trump get his $5 billion for his border wall?

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♪ ♪ elizabeth: tensions between russia and the ukraine reaching a boiling point. three captured ukrainian sailors forced to make statements on russian state tv after russian forces shot at and seized three ukrainian naval ships over the weekend. and this just in, breaking news, in an interview with "the washington post," president trump is now threatening to cancel his scheduled meeting with russian president vladimir putin at the g20 summit coming up because of russia's clash at

sea with the ukraine. let's take it up with retired major general robert scales. he's a fox news contributor. great to see you, general. >> hi, liz. elizabeth: what's your take on all of this? >> well, it's just vladimir putin being vladimir putin, liz. although it didn't make the news, it's important to understand this is the fourth prove caution by putin this year. one over finnish air face, one in the baltic states where sea maneuvers were suspended. of course, we have the gas attack in great britain. so this is vladimir putin trying to poke at the west. he hates the west, he hates the united states in particular. you know, there's an old staying, lenin once said if you probe with a bayonet and you hit steel, stop. if you probe with a bayonet and hit mush, continue. frankly, all vladimir putin's hit since the invasion of georgia in 2008 is mush. it's time for the president to take, to take action to push back against putin, otherwise his brash acts will continue for as long as he's in office.

elizabeth: so what will president trump do? because we know president putin is probably watching trump's response closely. [laughter] what makes this risky for the? what do you think trump should do? >> several things. first of all, he's got to call out putin personally. this isn't the russian state doing this, this isn't their ministry of information doing it, it's putin. it's very personal. number two, you have to hit back at putin with acts that affect him personally. what does that include? well, it includes anything that demeans him in the eyes of his own people. what would that be? well, okay, how about increasing sanctions against putin's inner circle? how about maneuvers with the ukrainian army in the ukraine by nato forces? that would send a terrific signal to russia that the united states won't stand up for this. and if everything continues to fall apart in the black sea, perhaps even the entry of the black sea with american naval forces sometime in the future. those are just a few things,

active things that need to be done to stop this. elizabeth: yeah. we've had general jack keane on, he would agree with you. he's also saying the media is not reporting that trump is acting with a spine of steel against russia with sanctions and the like and that the president has been tough on russia. here's the thing, russia just finished in the spring building this bridge connecting it, russia, to crimea so it controls the strait and also the trade that's going on between the black sea. i mean, russia's full on threatening ukraine right now. is there a threat of full-out war right now? >> no. no, no, no. the russian black sea fleet is a joke. it's, what do they have, they have seven surface vessels and six conventional submarines. they have no naval power in the black sea, and if we were to float an am fizz yous readiness group into the black sea full of marines, it would embarrass putin enormously because this is nothing he can to about it. no, this is not about war, this is about information warfare and the use of the social media by a

weak russian military to face off against the united states. after all, liz, russia's got, what, it's got a gdp of, what, texas? [laughter] and yet in the eyes of the world, the russians are portraying themselves as a superpower equal to the united states -- elizabeth: well, yeah. >> it's time for us to stand up militarily can and humiliate putin where he's weakest, and that's in the world of public opinion. elizabeth: it's a great point, general. i think the entire market value of russia's stock market is equal to apple. general, we'd love to have you back on, and we want to thank you for coming on the show and thank you for your service to our country, sir. you brought great insight and perspective. good to sew you. >> thank you, liz. elizabeth: coming up, we'll ask texas' attorney general ken paxton all about that funding fight happening over the border wall. attorney general paxton has a better read on the situation than just about anybody. and we've got details on how the media botched the coverage of the tear gas at the border. under the obama administration,

tear gas was used at least 27 times, pepper spray at least 434 times at the border. that's according to government data. plus, a new house hearing coming in a couple weeks on the justice department probe into pay to play at the clinton foundation. new details showing donations plummeting after hillary lost. what took the republicans so long on this? all of that's coming up. back in two, stay there. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ elizabeth: house republican leaders sitting down with president trump today to talk government shutdown over the border wall. let's take it up with texas attorney general ken paxton. great to see you, sir. >> thanks for having me on. elizabeth: i want your take, first, on the use of tear gas at the border. under the obama administration, tear gas used at least 27 times, pepper spray used 434 times according to government data. when's your take -- what's your take on the media coverage of the tear gas used at the b legitimate use of tear gas to protect our border, and as long as they use it appropriately, i don't have a problem with it. elizabeth: okay. let's get back to the border wall funding. what number will president trump be happy with?

it's somewhere between $5 billion now and $1.6 billion. that's the senate's number. >> yeah. and i don't know what his exact number is, i just know that his goal is to get the job tone to make sure that -- done to make sure that we have a border wall that protects our country. you know, even just starting off at the lower number, we're making progress. hopefully, it's somewhere between the numbers. in texas, obviously, it's a huge issue and has been for years. elizabeth: conservatives have been blocking the funding saying daca recipient -- citizenship is amnesty. here's the other thing, sir, let's get to the migrants making a big mistake. even though they're trying to seek asylum in the u.s. out of, quote, credible fear, the migrants have to explain why they did not accept asylum in mexico if it's really about credible fear. >> you know, you're asking a really good question that i don't think i have the answer to other than that may not be the reason they're seeking asylum. obviously, if you have a credible fear and you are at risk of being hurt in asylum fry

country that would offer it. so it is a good question, and i don't think we actually know the answer. elizabeth: okay. msnbc host chris. matt: knews saying most migrants are not eligible for asylum. let's watch. >> so how do we regulate, honestly, in an american way acceptance of asylum seekers? how do we develop a profound, comprehensive immigration policy that we are proud of as americans to enforce? at some point, there's going to have to be enforcement. >> there are people looking for jobs. that's not a basis -- >> i know that. elizabeth: that is the law. and another msnbc reporter basically saying the same thing, you can't come here looking for jobs under the asylum laws. watch. >> give us a profile of who is there mostly. >> the majority of them are men. elizabeth: they're men seeking jobs. we had to cut that sound bite. finally, liberal media getting up to speed on the asylum laws? your take on that, sir.

>> no, it's actually kind of nice to hear. that's the reality. asylum is for a very special class of people, people who are become persecuted, not for people looking for better economic opportunities. that process is the normal ill gration process that these people should be following. obviously, many of them have heard about this loophole, and they're taking advantage of it. elizabeth: all right. we're sorry we had to cut that second sound bite. we're going to try to show it to you in full tomorrow night. they were talking about the asylum laws covering -- not covering economic reasons, meaning job seekers. thank you attorney general ken paxton. want to have you back on, sir. great to see you. >> thank you. elizabeth: coming up, the details on the democrat ballot plan against president trump. once nancy pelosi gavels in, that caucus vote coming tomorrow. also, we're going to stay on the story of the tear gas being deployed at the border and how the media botched it. we're also going to get into the clinton pay to play probe at the

justice the president. that hearing is -- justice department. that hearing is coming up in the house. that story coming up next. stay there. >> a lot of americans do not have the slightest idea who the democrats really are. they still think the democrats are the ones with compassion and tolerance and understanding. they still think the democrats are the ones that care about the little guy and the downtrodden. ♪

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liz: the democrat caucus vote for house speakers tomorrow. pelosi will likely be the winner. you can expect them to push full bore on medicare and ignore everything that trump asked for. don't let trump dominate the conversation. ignore him. also try to impeach him. let's ask jason chaffetz on all of that. your take on that, jason. great to see you. >> this vote is fascinating because what they should do is publicly release how many people actually voted for her and then they've got to inquire and figure out who those people are. she'll win the majority but you have to have 218 votes on the floor of the house, not just behind closed doors. >> let's get to the border fight over the use of tear gasp i'm staying on this one. under the obama administration tear gas was used 27 times, 27 times, pepper spray used 432

times. what's your take on the media coverage of that? >> i would pose the question to the democrats saying what do you propose? people are crashing the borders, throwing rocks, waving flags from the countries they came from. these are not the people truly trying to seek asylum. they adopt meet those qualifications. if you're going to be overrun, the most humane thing to do is to use the tear gas. and these people made a conscious decision as to whether or not they were going to have this type of response from the united states. we're not supposed to roll over. but the media, so irresponsible to blame it open try to make trump look like the bad guy that they want him to be. he's not. he's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing, enforcing the border. >> and no hollering when the president obama administration did it. i want your take on the clinton foundation. suddenly plementing to less than $27 million a year later. mark meadows wants hearing on this.

what's taken republicans to long to get a hearing on the pay to play allegations at the clinton foundation. we got the u.s. attorney looking into it. you need to department of justice to provide mark meadows and the oversight committee, they got to provide him the documents. where has been this investigation. where are these documents from the department of justice. it's really hard to do a proper hearing without that document. and no matter who is the president, it's really hard to get the deep state folks there at the department of justice to cough up these documents. liz: your quic tick on the donas plummeting at hill ri lost. >> she's no longer a political figure. it doesn'theynow she's a book at much else to do. liz: we love having you on. come back soon.

>> thank you. liz: a jam packed hour. thank you for watching. thank you for having us in your homes. we got lou dobbs next right here on the fox business network. have a good night. lou: good evening within everybody. our top stories, we're just an hour away from polls closing in mississippi runoff election for the u.s. senate. republican senator cindy hyde smith, the heavy favorite to win, riding to lit call momentum of two political rallies led by the leader of the free world, president trump. >> there is know mountain we can't climb, no obstacle we can't reach and no dream we cannot achieve for the sake of our freedom and for the sake of our children we are going to work, we are going to fight and we are