they're still the same little people. the personalities that they had from day one are still true to this day. incredible thing being a parent. i'll see you right here tomorrow night. happy birthday elizabeth and alexandra. kennedy: the hunt is on for the next white house chief of staff. democrats are claiming the shakeup is proof the administration is in turmoil. but the question remains, is president trump actually his own best chief of staff. over the weekend we learned that current chief john kelly will be stepping down by the end of the year. he's been on the job just shy of a year and a half. which in reality is a long time to hold that position. but you'd never know that if you listen to the doom and gloom on main street media. last night the president tweeted i'm in the process of interviewing really good people for the white house chief of staff. people were saying with

certainty that it was neighborinnickayers. ayers was vice president mike pence's chief of staff. he was seen as a top contender but he's leaving the white house to run a super pac for the president's reelection campaign. who does that leave in the running. chair mark meadows, steve mnuchin, u.s. trade representative robert lighthizer and mick mulvaney. mulvaney is on the feps about it, mnuchin is happy in his own role. are the claims of the white house chaos just overblown. joining me now, former trump campaign manager cory le corey lewandowski. what does the next chief of staff need that the last ones have lacked? >> well, i think the next chief

of staff needs to be a person who understands what is at stake in the 2020 election cycle and candidly embraces the let trump be trump agenda. the mantra, get the president out in front of the people. he's his best communications spokesperson, he's the best person when he wants to message things. let's put him out in front of the people. and there there two very important components that the chief of staff needs to have. number one, an eye on the 2020 election and number two, understand the subpoena cannon which is going to face the white house. you need a person who understands both sides of that in order to make this white house successful. kennedy: conceivably understands how the house of representatives works. so if that is the most key component, would you say that mark meadows is the best person for the job? >> well, mark is clearly an excellent person for the job,

somebody who is on the trump agenda. no question about it. i'm selfish. dave bossie, deputy campaign manager of the campaign. he knows both sides of these things and he's a person who brings sides together to get things done. kennedy: and you have to act as a filter which was one of john kelly's prime roles when he became chief of staff was keeping certain people out of the oval office which cut down on leaks and distraction for the president. i think you could say that that was essentially a good thing. you talk about someone who needs to understand the political atmosphere, also someone who respects the president's temperament. it sounds like you're describing kellyanne conway. why isn't her name being bandied about for that role. >> i don't know that she has the interest. she has young children. i don't know if she wants that role. i haven't spoken to her about it. she would be a great choice but other choices could include

governor chris christie -- kennedy: no. he would be awful. he's way too thin skinned. he responds to criticism. too much of a hot head and he like to insert himself. the best chiefs of staff allow the president to flourish and with all due respect i don't think chris christie has that in his dna. >> you do want somebody who understands the legal jeopardies that are supposedly facing this administration and someone who understands the political realities. kelly anne could be a choice. and deena pob l culled com coulk and serve. i would encourage the president to take some time and don't rush this decision. because john kelly is not leaving the building until the end of the year. he's not three weeks. kennedy: you know it's december 10th, right? >> i do. and i know the president is going to make a good decision. don't rush the decision whether

it's mark meadows, david bossie, chris christie, many people. kennedy: this is someone that is chief of staff for the attorney general, interim attorney general, his name has been thrown around a little bit but remains on the periphery but he seems like the kind of person who at least has the personality for the job. you have to talk to a lot of people. i don't think steve mnuchin wants to rub elbows with the gp. >> look, i don't know whitaker but i do know this. i'm not sure what his experience is in the legislative side of things or the political side of things. and going into a 2020 reelection effort, you need to have a chief of staff like an rahm emanuel or karl rove who understand what was at stake in the reelection effort. is that has to be a focus of inside of the building. kennedy: would you do it? >> i would do whatever the president asked me. but there are much better people than me.

i'm a good advocate on the outside and i love supporting him on your show, kennedy. kennedy: thank you very much. the battle over border wall funding is just heating up and it might lead to another government shutdown. president trump is scheduled to meet tomorrow with senator minority leader chuck schumer and house minority leader nancy pelosi to discuss a big deal the avoid the shutdown. both sides remain very far apart when it comes to funding the border wall. the president is demanding a full $5 billion in seed money. but chuck and nancy have made it clear they will not budge on the $1.6 billion which was announced on june 21st by the senate appropriations committee. can they strike a deal before the clock runs out on a showdown and if not, is it really the worst thing in the world? let's go to tonight's panel.

alexandra wilkes is here and mark lotter and politics editor at insider anthony fisher. welcome, everyone. let's kick off the week with good conversation. here we go. you have chuck and nancy. they went a deal for the descreems. dreamers. you have the president. he's a developer and knows how to cut costs. what most can do with 5 billion he should be able do with 1.6 billion trchlts politics that are true for this month will not be true for next year. we have nancy pelosi who's trying tro secure her vote still to become speaker. you have chuck and nancy trying to appease the more liberal parts of their base. but come january when you have all of these incoming freshmen who were elected from moderate districts, there's going to be much more of an appetite to want to reach out open work with the president. even though they might be riding high off of the election in

november. i think that they still should be thinking about reaching out for the sake of their more conservative democratic members. kennedy: is the president going to give it all on that 5 billion number? is that a red line? is that it, he gets it or the government shuts down? >> i would never put the word red line in the president's vocabulary. let him do that. he wants to make a deal. he wants more money. he wants 5 billion. but what kind of deal can you make when the other side is going to offer you, well we've told you what we're going to give you. it's up to chuck and nancy to see if they're willing to offer something. kennedy: what will the president give on his side to get to the magical number. >> he's offered a deal on the dreamers in the past. kennedy: do you think that deal stands? >> the question is what is he going to get in return. this was horn originally a dealr $25 billion. it's not about a government shutdown, it's more illegal immigrants and drugs pouring across our soir southern border.

kennedy: is that how illegal immigrants and drugs get over our border. >> no, not really. there's not a problem of a swath of people going across the border. and drugs are coming over the coastlines. kennedy: trump complains. they pack those things full. >> it's not to say that the border should be open. it's not a max mallist position either way. kennedy: but they're going to -- this is why i think democrats should take a deal and i've expressed this on other shows because of the eminent domain issues. they should say here man, whatever you want, we'll give you the wall knowing it's going to be in court for years were longer than the president will be in power. it's going to be at least six years of all of those lawsuits, particularly those private ranchers in parts of texas. so they should agree to that and the president is i think willing to give quite a bit on daca. >> i would hope so

pe'he's expressed an interest tt that before. nancy pelosi is trying to secure the gavel once again and among the more progressive newcomers in her caucus, she's willing to barter leadership positions in exchange for their votes even though a lot of them ran -- kennedy: andrea cortez will be majority whipped. >> she'll get on a committee. kennedy: yeah, intelligence, judiciary, foreign relations. she's going to have a lot of gavels in her gown. let's talk about mitch mcconnell. the president loves making him jealous by having a side hustle with chuck schumer. >> this is what he ran on, being a deal maker. and it really speaks on -- kennedy: what does a win look like for him? >> i think what a win looks like is more fund fg are the border wall. but also a win would include

negotiation on daca. that'sinthat's something that te american people support. it's something where democrats appear not to want to give an inch. kennedy: it's interesting because i think people talk a big game but secretly i think a lot of people want border security. >> open this could have been done a long time ago. it's very clear that -- especially the democrats are using this issue more for campaign purposes rather than trying to solve the problem. we could have solved the problem on daca when the president came into office in that first year. but they would offer something -- kennedy: do you think they could have solved it with the gang of ight under president george w. bush? >> i think that did not get a lot of bipartisan support outside of the gang of eight that could have gotten it through. we'll see. we've got a new bipartisan congress coming in. whether they'll be bipartisan is another story. kennedy: you certainly have split chambers.

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face off over trade is going full force but president trump tweeted friday that the talks are going very well and his economic adviser larry kudlow was extremely positive yesterday. larry? >> i could just tell you right now, we are on track. china has finally -- i mean wednesday and thursday china's commerce department issued some very positive promising statements. we're making more progress now on more specific issues than ever before. kennedy: that's couple's therapy that's working. president trump sought tariffs on $250 billion wort o worth ofs goods. the president is threatening to raise tariffs on another

$200 billion worth of stuff if they can't work out this deal. so is anyone going to win this trade war? joining me you. now, peter suderman. welcome back, sir. >> thank you for having me. kennedy: let's talk a little bit about this. you've heard two sides coming out of the three-hour dinner about what china wants and what the u.s. is getting. larry kudlow is he just being a behind optimist are are we making progress? >> i hope the talks are going well because the trade war isn't. there are studies out showing that american consumers are paying $42 billion more because of trump's china tariffs. and what the administration has said is if there's not a deal by march 1st, that's a hard deadline, more tariffs will go into effect. that's going to cost americans $130 billion. that's a lot of money.

you could build a lot of walls. kennedy: peter as you have pointed out, it tends to be lower-income wage earns who pay more for some of these products from china. >> that's right. kennedy: we all want great affordable lives and you can't do that if we're living in splend did isolation. >> a lot of people who defend tariffs basically say this is about protecting american jobs and american workers. in particular they'll say it's about protecting low-skilled low-education workers. those are people making less money in a lot of case as and that's who the tariffs it. it didn't just hit lower consumers and low-income consumers, it also hits businessmen. there is a list of 200 businesses, compiled by a republican group, 200 businesses who say they're being hurt by the tariffs. and what happens when the businesses are hurt by the tariffs? their costs go up?

they're not making sales and they've got to fire people in a lot of cases. so this costs jobs, it doesn't save them. kennedy: no. they shut down factories. they go to automation. it's all of the things -- the same consequences from raises the minimum wage artificially. but let's talk about where china will give. because they do have a vulnerable economy. are they more likely to get rid of tariffs or to alter some of their intellectual property theft practices? >> i think they're going to do it all on the tariff front. and the intellectual property stuff is bad. no sugar coating it. they steal american intellectual property on a regular basis. americans are worse off because of trump's trade war. kennedy: i think for them they need to steal our great ideas in order to have that long term economic growth that they're looking at.

they've got a decades' long plan and so must rests on the hard work done in this count friday. and country.it's time that we sd fight for ourselves and our companies. and a lot of the ceos have to stand up for themselves an stop giving away the great ideas and products that they've been working for years. >> to some extent you go into a big box store, you go into any of these retail mega stores, they've got security. it is their job to protect their property. it should be in a lot of ways the job of big congressese corpo protect their intellectual property. it's not that the government has no interest in that at all. that's not what i'm saying. but the companies need to take responsibility for their own property and their own valuable ideas. kennedy: they do. and instead of looking at this is compromising the integrity of these organizations is not the only way to enter into this necessary market. and you know, also you have the

president standing up with the prime minister and president of japan and india. so that is pretty great. trade wars are bad, no one wins them, they're not easy, they're not easy to win, we're all losing because of this. kennedy: let's have real free trade and not the stealing kind of stuff trade. >> we should be supportive of the administration. we should hope they get through this. hope that larry kudlow is right. kennedy: i hope he's right. i'm glad you're here because you're always right. thank you so much. great beard. heisman trophy winner kyler murray was barely able to celebrate when social media. howie kurtz weighs in on the controversy next.

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national past time but it's been replaced by digging through people's old tweets to get them in trouble. oklahoma quarterback kyler murray won the heisman trophy on saturday night but his report night was quickly up ende endedy social media. he apologized quote, i apologize for the tweets that have come to light tonight for when it was 14 or 15. that doesn't reflect who i am or what i believe. i do not plan to single out any individual or group. at least he didn't claim he was hacked, joy reid. murray's apology comes on the heels of kevin hart's decision to quick the hoes cars after his tweets surfaced last week. many people believe that the real apology is oatd by outlets like us sarks who ran the story. so is holding someone

accountable for the words he or she used as a teenager really the wave of the future and if so should we all just quit or jobs now. joining me with more, awb author ohowiekurtz is here. welcome back. i feel bad for the guy. the real story here is that oklahoma had two back-to-back heisman winning quarterbacks. >> i got to throw the penalty flag on this one. this is way way way out of bounds. in fact this is why people hate the media. this was mean-spirited to ruin this young man's big night. he wins the most coveted trophy in college football and dumb stuff he said when he was 14, it's really inexplicable. and the anger should be directed toward usa today. kennedy: it's lame, lazy and creating something out of nothing. and it is this, you know, level of purity that is impossible to

maintain if you want to have a culture with any humor of any free speech or anything resembling redemption. >> nobody is defending the use of the antigay slur. but the fact that he was 14. he was teasing his friends with a clearly inappropriate and offensive word. kennedy: if there's ever a time in your life when you say dumb stuff, it's when you're 14. i have a middle schooler and i hear some of the things that the boys and the girls say on their way to school and it blows my skirt up. i am shocked. >> we were lucky because we didn't live in this culture where everything lives forever on the internet. it cannot be eradicated that's the thing. but also the usa today story set me off, well these tweets have resurfaced. no, they didn't resurface. you dug them out to embarrass this kid. and beside, he's not running for

president. he's a football in college. it seemed so out of proportion. kennedy: i'm resentful of the intentional grounding of one's future. you see what i did there? >> i'm not sure i can match that. you have the sports metaphor down. kennedy: face mask, holding. >> i don't see it stopping. kennedy: there has to be a line, are we going to replace every host? are we going to act like everything that someone said at any point in their history, regardless of how impulsive and stupid it is, it's representative of their life? >> it's show how twitter is a blood sport and then there's the mega point if it gets retweeted, there's manufactured outrage and it moves on to the next target. meanwhile this young man, no one can take away his heisman but it tarnished his moment. kennedy: they're not going to take aways his heisman and

they're also not going to take away the fact that he's going to play for the national championship. thank that, georgia. thank you so much. president trump has fapped william barr to be his next attorney general. barr already served under george h.w. bush. but rand paul has a few concerns. watch. >> i'm concerned that he's been a big supporter of the patriot act which lowered the standard for spying on americans. and even went so far to say the patriot act was pretty good but we should go further. i'm disturbed that he's a big fan of taking people's property without a conviction. kennedy: democrats claim they're worried that barr could be a threat to the mueller probe. should they be more concerned about the new attorney general infringing on civil liberties? the panel is back. so, anthony, i will start with you, because rand paul is right here. and these are the kinds of

questions we should be asking of a potential attorney general. i think we were dwsh who did not serve the interest of the country and the constitution that he promised during senate confirmation hearings. what should senators do properly this time to properly vet someone who hasn't held the post for quite a few years. >> again, jeff sessions was a senator. we didn't know what me would do as attorney general. all we had to go by was his policy preferences. we've seen what barr has done but it's been a long time and the world has changed significantly. i think rand paul's concerns are valid. i would love to see him put some teeth behind it and galvanize some people on his side of the aisle to cast a skeptical glance at the attorney general nominee. kennedy: what i don't like is he's done a good job, george

h.w. bush appointed him. therefore we should appoint him again. i would much rather see a real intellectual discourse with someone versus the tarring and feathering that we saw with brett kavanaugh. it's fair in an era where we've already been to the persian gulf, we're in afghanistan, iraq and yemen. why can't we put his feet to the fire on some of the big questions? >> i they's what the senate process is for. let's not forget that senator paul voiced concerns about justice kavanaugh when he was first nominated and threatened for a little while to hold his fire on his vote. he sat down and met with then judge kavanaugh who alleviated those concerns and rand paul ultimately voted to confirm hip him. i'm confident that the attorney general nominee will work his way through the senate, meeting with members that he can address

the concerns and we can move forward with the nomination. kennedy: is this the best pick in it's better than chris christie. i agree that this is an opportunity for the senate rep to show up and look like adults in the room. we by comparison we have the brett kavanaugh hearings which were a complete and utter disaster, we had the democrats who are just going to come to these hearings and scream about mueller and the russians. if the republicans com republicd have this intellectual discussion, and we've seen that they're reviewing this, civil asset forfeiture and that's one of the areas where barr has a questionable track record. let's switch gears and talk about joe biden. the former vice president steered clear of direct 2020 talk while promoting his book saying quote, i want to be able

to when my life is finished be able to say to myself that i kept my commitment from beau, that i didn't walk away. back in 2015 you will recall that biden announced he would not be running for president saying he was not emotionally ready to campaign after the loss of his son. if he choose to run now he will be 77 years old on the election day. he's been at the center of two failed bids. does he really want to risk adding a third attempt to that legacy. mark, i will start with you. if joe biden walks away now, he really does have a good solid legacy and he's beloved by his party and well thought of by the rest of the country. do you think that's the best thing for him to do? or with everyone who wants to run for president, is there something nagging at him that he has to be the most powerful person in the world. >> there's always a drawn to

that office. the question is going to be is he radical enough to win the democrat nomination. there's going to be 40-some candidates who are going to be vying to be who can be the most socialist. and i'm not sure if joe biden can do it. and if he does can he come back to the middle say ing i didn't mean it that way. i'm a middle american. kennedy: hillary clinton tried to do that saying i love blowing things up and i love corporate money and i'm the most progressive person ever, i invented the term progressive. she actually said that. >> but she barely threw a fig leave to that party. she assumed they would all line up to her. and it sturni don't know that tr the democratic nomination is going to be a ric race to the lt but he should note that she was never for popular when she

wasn't running for office. kennedy: but i think there's something to that. if that's what he's interested in, because he can still stay engaged. if you look at jimmy carter and al gore, they found issues that were most important to them. >> and if bye biden chooses not to run and throws his hat in the ring for someone who wins he can same i'm the king maker. kennedy: he's giving mix signals. >> the polls are a little misleading. i think only on name id a lot is one of the runs he's running. we're seeing a um of the democratic research dump on all of these candidates because they're trying to position themselves ahead of the 2020 cycle. and one of the tidbits that came out from the 2018 cycle is actually on election day when they were choosing which robo calms to put out there, the ones that joe biden had recorded were

the ones that were used. he was seen as not being as fresh and galvanized. kennedy: joe. we'll see if they have a fresh bench. i think it's shallow. thank you all for being here. coming up, a lot has changed since you bought you weed from a guy in the van at the dead show. the cannabis business is exploding with brightly lit shops that look like stores at the mall. i visited a retail wer a marketing approach. i'll show you what it looks like and we'll talk to the ceo of the company next. a february to remember... ...starts with a december to remember at the lexus december to remember sales event.

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right here in dreary old manhattan. check it out. does that get you stoned to the bejesus? >> i don't know that i've been stoned to the bejesus. kennedy: this is the manhattan flagship store. can you smell that? that's victory. let's be part of the green rush. you ready? let's do this. let's say someone hasn't used cacannabis since college. back then they hoo had a bong ad now they want to dive into the brave new world but don't know how to do it. >> the pen is probably the easiest because you're vaping and that's pretty mainstream at this point in time. this is something you're dropping, you know, under your tongue and these are gel caps. these are factors that most people have familiarity with. it happens to be that you have cannabis inside.

kennedy: what's a typical doze for a 185-pound. >> here in new york, there's pharmacists at every dispensary. kennedy: if someone is come in looking at the gels versus the vape pens, what do you recommend? >> it really depends on what you're looking for in terms of onset of action. kennedy: they're more popular? >> i think so. if people are in pain they want quick relief. so the pens help with that. if they want long dur vegas dure gel will last longer in the system. that's an alternative. kennedy: there's an opioid ep dem nick this country and a lot of overdoses. but in states with legal marijuana the opioid deaths decrease. will your products help them and can you address things like

chronic pain. >> yeah, absolutely. i really see the benefit to the patient. i see them decreasing their opioids, their den do die as be. it's really great to see customers switching to our products where other things have not been a great solution for them. kennedy: man, you should see some of their stores in california. i visited one in venice. but a hurdle is pot prohibition. and one of their biggest rallying cries is false. the latest stats from the latest survey show that young people in colorado and washington state, the first two states to legalize recreational weed are actually using less marijuana than they did when it was illegal. so is anything going to slow this industry down. joining me, ceo and go founder

of one of the biggest industries in the world. adam is back. is that surprising news to you that teenagers in colorado and washington state are actually using ca cannabis at lower rate? >> no. kennedy: why do you think that is? >> the rebel effect. you know, legalizing something makes it more mainstream. open our mission is to mainstream marijuana. it becomes less rebellious by nature and kids are less interested in breaking the rules if it's accessible that their parents can talk about, they can learn about on a show like this and see, they'll respect it more. kennedy: we all know people who have suffered from chronic diseases, chronic pain, cancer who could benefit from some of the products that you offer. what's really interesting here in new york is it's so difficult to get a prescription to buy products in your store but anyone could go into a liquor store and buy 20-gallons of

booze. >> well, 85 years after the end of alcohol prohibition anybody can walk int into a liquor sto. we're still a few years from that ending. we'll get there. kennedy: the polling bears that out. the republicans and democrats, the majority, the first time for a lot of republicans, they believe that marijuana should be legal. and you know, you still have to go through the courts. you still have to go through congress. and it's hard to understand why this hasn't been rescheduled. because obviously there's a lot of money to be made in colorado. they're funding schools within funding all sorts of programs with the tax revenue from legal cannabis. is that the ultimate argument for rescheduling marijuana? >> i don't know what the ultimate argument is but i do know this. 77% of congress is made up of people who go to congress, you

know, to pass laws and they represent constituents that have already legalized marijuana in some form in their state. 77% of their lawmakers come from states who have some form of legal pot. kennedy: do you hire lobbyists. >> we do as any big business would. kennedy: how powerful is the cannabis lobby? >> not yet. it's too immature. we'll get there. kennedy: thank you so much. >> than thanks for message me h. kennedy: absolutely. people do rave about your hey! yeah!? i switched to geico and got more! more savings on car insurance!? they helped with homeowners, too!

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this maniac tried to rob the store but the manager served him 31 flavors of shoe leather instead. it's a lot healthier than eating. he got zero dollars before he decided to banana split. but he did get his baskin robin's card stamped. the internet is calling the cashier a hero and praising him for his bravery which means that right now as we speak someone jerk is combing through his tweets too find something offensive he foun he said five s ago. topic number two, houston, texas, traffic running on al cylinders. it rolled off of the back of a semi truck. i can't wait to see the sews machine it fits into it. a quick thinking schoolteacher

pulled out her cell phone and started filming. it takes a real hero to get a viral video. if this happened in new york, there would be 20 cars tailgating the school to get through traffic quicker. get behind that thing. everyone is getting out of the way. this is great. fortunately no one was injured in the understand accident although the truck driver was issued a citation. apparently he was supposed to be in the car spool lane. that's fun. no? great. topic number three. jefferson county prison in golden, colorado. i know you've been there. you never know who might drop in. check this out. this woman, where is she? there she is. wow. this' something she was released from custody but got locked in a bathroom on her way out so decided to escape through ceiling. well, at least that's what she told the prison guard who caught her. you're like really cute, by the way. the good news is he wound up

hands cuffing her but not in the way she wanted. video of the bathroom breakout has been seen 2 million times which works out to one every time el chapo has asked to use the bathroom since saturday what i'm sure is a tiny coincidence. topic number four, a moose range someone's doorbell in anchorage, alaska over the weekend and as you can imagine the guy who lived there was shock. the moose was caught on doorbell cam playing a game of ding dong ditch. this brunt much else to do there in anchorage. and the last thing it was going to do is watch "saturday night live" because even moose can't watch another hour of d list trump jokes. afterward he took the family out

for ice cream. oh, no. here you go. kick to the head and face. he's beating him because he wouldn't stop asking for moose tracks. topic number five. finally it is mugshot monday. this week's winner got arrested on a job interview. and forthose of you bernie sanders supporters, a job interview is a thing where you answer questions from people who want you to work for them. yeah. dominic breedlove what a sexy mouth, dominic, was applying for work at a florida kohl's -- come on, i don't buy it. but after speaking with human resources he allegedly put two pairs of nike sneakers into a kohl's bag and attempted to leave the store. turns out the employee discount wasn't as good as he thought and he was busted by security. the good news is he got the job. yeah, he did. no, he didn't. he's now driving a semi truck and from what we hear, he's been

on quite a roll. yeah, i don't know these nikes no more. driving and dropping. i'm not going to tell any more jokes about this because my i'm ken jacobus and i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. and last year, i earned $36,000 in cash back. which i used to offer health insurance to my employees. what's in your wallet?

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