tomorrow night, back in our regular time, 9 p.m. eastern sorry 6 in west woo! pennsylvania republican congressman brine brien fitzpatk i'll be on bye trish: breaking right now, after nearly two years in office the president will deliver his very first primetime address to our nation live from the oval office. president will address the growing crisis at our border and some speculate he may even declare a national emergency. would that enable him to build the wall? the price of gas were seen on this program witnessing together every single night at our southern border. democrats still view this immigration crisis as they can use. >> this issue is about a vanity project for this president and it is a problem of his own

making. >> they're all doing this. they're lying about a crisis on the southern border just like they lied about the caravan and the gang members flooding across the southern border. all to justify this government shutdown and justified the president going on tonight making up an emergency. >> making up an emergency? those caravans? they aren't real. our immigration crisis is made up? i promise you these pictures are real. these people are real and this crisis whether you want to acknowledge it or not is real. tonight i set the record straight. also this evening we push for free healthcare for all. california, democratic governor in new york city democratic mayor and billing plans to give health care access to absolutely everyone including anyone who is here illegally. who is footing the bill? they don't know. once again, a grand democrat

idea with no way to pay for it. it's like no one knows how to add or subtract. trish regan primetime begins right now. ♪. trish: breaking tonight, but with way from president trump to living his very first primetime address from the oval office and all about the crisis facing on our southern border. the speech coming as the partial government shutdown had been to 19th day with democrats refusing to budge. i want to bring in right now rnc spokesperson who was at the white house for a briefing today on border security with vice president pence and homeland security secretary kiersten nielsen, as we look forward now in less than one hour to the president's speech is there anything you learn today at the white house you can share with us now? >> yes, i learned number one

that by sunday evening democrats have finally said they acknowledge the dhs as fact. nancy pelosi said those were kristjen nielsen fact in the acknowledge the facts were there. i also learned he will lay out very clearly this evening the crisis on our southern border and the three components, drugs indicted every day in our border and criminals across the border every day in the humanitarian crisis. this was key and undersized time and time again by the vice president that there are illegal immigrants making the journey over and will address that component and house plan contains funding to make sure those immigrants are protected and deterred. trish: is the idea to press the democrats more on this issue and to bring the country around - by the way the country is already there in that they want a border wall and that they want strong borders and want order protection and let's not forget it something the democrats for years campaigned on so it's not

as though it's out of left field like they'd have you think right now. might he declare this a national emergency? >> it is certainly possible. he's mentioned as an option on the table but what i will say i don't know that we are there yet. he still trying to work with democrats from what i gathered as of course the contingent of three individuals went on the hill, kushner, vice president pence they're still trying to get democrats to the table and that the preferable solution. it avoids litigation so i'm not sure if we are there yet but again you never know but president - we would support that from the rnc what you mentioned litigation. does he have the power to safely get forget it? i need $5 billion is a national emergency and i will build that wall whether you democrats like it or not. and the government is back open. >> he does have that power but

when you look at the law people say congress has to say you have the authority to build the wall. they already have. they say in event of a national emergency it's already written in the books and the president has the authority to build military structures thus, a wall, if he did so had dod. in honor - it is certainly that when you consider and 2,000 pounds of fentanyl cross the border every day until millions of americans since 2003, thousands of americans have been killed. [inaudible conversations] literally thousands of americans have died of heroin and intentional crossing our borde borders. trish: we forward to hearing from him tonight but you make interesting points and i know you are a legal scholar and went to harvard law and studied law there. it will be interesting to see whether he says it's a big enough deal. we need to declare a national emergency and we will fill that wall whether chuck schumer and

nancy pelosi like it or not. kaylee, thank you. meanwhile, amazingly enough many in the mainstream media continue to say there's no crisis at the border. listen to this. >> they are all doing this. they are lying about a crisis on the southern border is like they lied about the caravans and lied about the gang members flooding across the southern border. all to justify this government shutdown and to justify the president going on tonight making up an emergency so he can build his wall along the southern border. >> the call yesterday from the president on twitter, there's a humanitarian national security crisis on our southern border. with be as clear as we possibly can be. there is no national security crisis at the border. trish: really, guys? to see what president sheriff from texas has to say. you heard commentators there and it's a line of thought that we

heard echoed by so many mainstream media members and democrats who say there is no crisis at the border and it's all made up what do you say? >> i don't think those are imaginary people down there on the border when you see the thousands there. it gives concern to me as a local law enforcement leader because that trickles up into our areas. we recently had a major investigation where ms 13 members were committing murders and assaults right here in our fresno county and they came through the mexican border from central america. it's concerning to me because what happens at the border makes its way up to our local communities. trish: are they living in a delusional dreamworld? if you are them in your member of congress or if you are a member of the mainstream media you are part of an elite crowd

and maybe you don't see the same thing in your community that others do but what is it that these guys are missing? >> they are missing the impact it has on our local population every day when we have hard-working community members who are victimized by those who come through the border and involved in narcotic trafficking, human trafficking as well as major violent crimes. we have fentanyl that ends up here in fresno county that comes to the border and liquid methamphetamine that comes up from the border and so it is more than just a national problem. it boils down to the local impacts and i'm concerned about that. >> i understand that. trish: i think the humanitarian crisis is quite real. thousands of people - we talk about one caravan that had

accumulated as many as 16,000 recently and they are making their way up to the us. to our southern border. they are doing so because they think they have the promise of something better here and i'll be able to get in. they are putting themselves in harms way doing so. women being victimized and children that are being victimized but no one seems to be or care about that. we talk about the law of unintended consequences, what is the law of unintended conferences here when you entice all of these people to come to the us? do you cause them more harm? >> i think it's truly not only a security crisis and a new humanitarian crisis. i say that because if people are allowed to comment to be vetted if they are seeking asylum then

the president needs the budget to be able to feed, get healthcare, house and people that are in that particularly situation - i'd like to hear from the president tonight is more than just about the wall, the package he wants includes it's a little bit of everything and includes border security and people and technology so this is more than just a wall and that is what i like to hear him flush out a little bit tonight. trish: you may just get it. we will see. 60 minutes from now. sheriff, thank you. coming up. two level politicians announcing policies that encourage people to come into our country illegally. remember we talked about the law of unintended consequences of economics? weight you see what new york city is offering to every resident regardless of their immigration status. this one you have to hear. 2020 democratic hopeful, harris

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trish: breaking tonight, 2-meter mandates out of bright blue states, california and new york, making big promises not to the americans but to their state illegal immigrants. california's new democratic governor promising statewide policies. what. >> together let us build a house stronger than the coming storm's get open to the world. the house that provides shelter to all who needed and sanctuary to all who seek it. trish: is this so they can vote for you mac is that the idea? i bet it is. could i just go to mexico and vote in any election there? note because that's not how it works but countries are countries you can just say let's open our arms and taken all latin america. because someone has to pay the

bill with someone has to be accountable for all of those people. hours after gavin newsom, new york city mayor bill defazio unveiled a new rule, everyone in the big city will have full access to healthcare, even illegal. >> from this moment on in new york city everyone is guaranteed the right to healthcare. everyone. we saw almost two equal sides, pulls of people folks eligible for insurance but weren't getting it for whatever reason and folks who were undocumented. trish: how does bill diblasio think he will pay for - i'm glad i left new york city. a lot to question tonight on democratic politician totally forgetting the american taxpay taxpayer. all of us who pay the bills. joining me fox news could do better janine and democratic strategist scott bolton.

bill diblasio had no idea how the pay for this but somehow he will make sure everyone in new york city whether illegally or not will all have access to healthcare. >> is a good thing. i don't know why the gop is up in arms about these types approaches by democratic politicians. he said he was not going to raise taxes and a healthier society and healthcare group for all americans for illegal immigrants because they are there and they're not going anywhere and healthy individual makes a healthier society so what is the problem with the gop and what real issue do you have on your main approach to healthcare? trish: i don't know what planet you live on but my deere out here on planet earth. on planet earth you have to pay for stuff. listen,. [inaudible conversations]

trish: janine, a go over to you for a moment. let's talk incentives because incentives are important to remember and the president will be talking tonight about the manager and crisis that has been caused at our border because you have thousands of people find common be a caravan here illegally and represents a whole lot of consequences and problems in and of itself. you bill diblasio saying come on, free health care for all and gavin newsom out there saying - i get it. it sounds great. we are all we want to be inclusive as possible. i do fundamentally believe that like i said back on planet earth you got to think about law of unintended consequences and think about money. >> i'm on planet earth with you, trish. >> i'm here, too, don't forget about me. [laughter] >> i really think this is a slap

in the face to the hard-working, law-abiding americans with the progressive elite like newsom and diblasio are pushing. they are in favor of supplying the wants and needs for people here illegally versus their own constituents, law-abiding americans. this is a huge neon sign for more people to come and cross our borders illegally. providing sanctuary and providing freebies like health insurance. this is outrageous what they are doing and i got to tell you americans are not happy about this. who will pay for this? trish: i'm a student of tech history and was at one point normally and the fall of rome had a big something to do with money and had to do with too many people living off - so to

speak. lesson in there somewhere for us and scott, i have a big heart. i don't think it's about anybody's heart. i think it is truly about reality. back on planet earth what - how are you going to open up the united states of america to literally anyone and everyone that wants to come here and then offer them all the freebies you can? connect first thing is if you're that inclusive, trish, then these illegal immigrants and immigrants will make up our country and ancestors. work country founded on immigration. trish: but there was a time when it was not easy. >> no one is saying being exclusive. >> 70% of immigrants all came legally and now seek asylum or seek a pathway to citizenship but what is so fundamentally

wrong with that? my goodness . trish: you have an opportunity. if you would build the wall, right? strengthen border security you have a path for meaningful immigration reform but scott you need and - >> most of the people coming across the border checking in to seek asylum. the ones here already - >> that is not true. that's not true. >> look at all the - >> there is video of men say they are coming here just to get into the country and not seeking asylum. don't - [inaudible conversations] trish: you know what? i want to come to america too. we are fortunate to live in this great country but there's also - >> do it the right way. trish: as americans we have to be responsible with all that we

have been given and i'm all for immigration reform. let's get people who want to be here and want to contribute and want to do it the right way here in america and less key people don't have the best intention out. >> i agree with you there. trish: will hear what the president has to say. he's coming up in a short time, 40 minutes from now. the president will be live from the oval office. coming up here, we'll talk about this address the president is giving, very first one, live from the oval office. talk all about this crisis at our southern border. it's a national security crisis. that is why the president is demanding a wall for democratic senator, harris is calling it a vanity project. calling it propaganda. i don't remember anyone calling it propaganda when president clinton or president obama called it reform. coming up, setting up the stre

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trish: we are. >> we're two years into any ministration that is proven itself and plenty of empirical evidence that there are statements being made that are just simply not the truth. it is propaganda. we have to call it what it is. one does not need to create a problem in one does not need to create a problem. this issue is about a vanity project for this president. trish: vanity project for the president? propaganda? i remember because it was a time and i will keep mentioning this over again and playing the sound as long as the shutdown goes on but i remember when there was a

time democrats believed in stronger borders. let's take a walk down memory lane right here. >> it is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must do more to stop them. >> we cannot allow people to pour into the united states undetected, undocumented, unchecked. >> we don't want to do anything to encourage more illegal immigration into this country to the american people are fundamentally pro- legal immigration and anti- illegal immigration. we will only pass comprehensive reform when we recognize the fundamental concept. trish: remember that. when it it tells you is that this whole everyone is welcome is just a recent thing entirely politically driven and entirely about their hatred for president trump.

democrats say they want to solve the immigration issue but did they really want to solve it two or they want the issue for political reasons. i think so. i think so because otherwise wouldn't they engage the administration in a plan for real immigration reform? keep in mind they haven't and you have to wonder why? maybe it's because they refuse to give this president an inch. immigration reform would be a boost to our company. would be good for america and great for people who want to come here for their shot at the american dream. but it would also be good for president trump. right? they don't want that. which is pathetic. they are missing the real opportunity here, an opportunity for us to keep our country safe through better border security while simultaneously allowing more immigrants to have a bigger

and better opportunity here in the united states of america but open it up for people that want to be here for the right reasons. and are trying to do things the right way. joining me right now with reaction, presidential historian and they try to paint the president as racist and as anti- semitic and as homophobic but let's go with the racist thing because somehow they think that because he wants better border security he does not like or want immigrants in this country. i don't think that is true at all. i think we need immigrants and we want them here in the country but we need to approach it with common sense and is at this exactly what the democrats used to want, doug? >> it is true. that montage is amazing.

trish, that's amazing. trish: was not that long ago, either. >> i read recently - he's listed 289 promises that donald trump made in the campaign that he is now filled. i think that politicians are just used to residents being, i don't know how house to put this in the market people are so cynical, there used to politicians being liars. read my lips, no new taxes, you can keep your own doctor, i did not sleep with that woman, we just learned saddam was a tie to buy uranium in africa, they are used to that and want to have this president unfulfilled that promise he made to the american people. she said it was a vanity wall. it's not a vanity wall. it's a solemn promise to the american people by a man who was elected president and she was not. trish: because he made a promise

to your point, they don't want to see him succeed. they don't want them to fulfill the promise because that would mean it is successful. would it not also be something else? from a political perspective, if donald trump built the wall and is able to engage in a meaningful, immigration reform process, don't forget he's the one that said hey, for the right people we will roll out the red carpet and we want to hear. we want to keep the battles out so if he's able to get something done to streamline this and make it easier for the right people to be here or to stay here then doesn't he actually went over the goodwill of a whole lot of people that the democrats are courting? >> yes, it's political and always political. truly it is amazing and the more he succeeds the more angry they become. those five stages of grief and the first one is denial.

they been going through the stages ever since the election but the second one is anger. they even for a while when into bargaining where they are saying yes, he defeated isis and it's because of obama. trish: i heard that on the economy. >> some of them are running on all three. denial, anger in bargaining but they're having to deal with the facts still after all this time that the american people did not trust what the media was pushing and decided to go in a different direction and they pick someone outside the box and he's doing great. they call him a liar but he's keeping all this promises and they call him a misogynist and women have the lowest on employment in history. they call him a racist and unlike other politicians who put young african-americans behind bars, he got them jobs. he's got a lot of people angry. trish: i would say. we're looking forward to seeing him tonight.

and hearing what he has to say. always good to see you. doug, thank you. mainstream media trying hard to push false narrative about the partial government shutdown coming up, we separate backed from fiction and democrats are issuing a rebuttal already. they not even heard it. president trump's address, that is but they have a rebuttal ready on border security. a speech that has not happened. i'm telling you they do not care what he has to say. it's all politics and that is wrong. what is next? wisconsin congressman is joining us straight ahead.

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trish: new tonight mainstream media some democrats continue to employ scare tactics regarding the government interpret the new narrative is the government will withhold their tax refunds during the shutdown and watch. >> they tell the people in my district 500,000 people that

they are not going to get their tax refunds. they depend on those tax refunds in the same way that federal workers depend on their paycheck. >> do you think the president needs to give war of attrition and waited out? i don't think so. this garbage piling up in the project not been delivered people not getting their tax returns this is going to get worse and worse for the president. >> 100 million taxpayers will be unable to file until late march because they were not half as many people as they normally would have to process their tax returns. trish: it turned out tax refunds will be in fact issued on time and as planned. joining me right now with reaction, former democratic congressman harold ford junior and bill mcgurn, could have you both here. is there a scare tactic going on here? is this a misinformation campaign? >> this is politics. the president a christmas party

for the shutdown and that pre- shutdown meeting in the oval office. for the democrats what they want to do is suggest the president is imposing maximum pain on innocent people and that's one of the . trish: and the media is putting that out. most mainstream media are perhaps members of the democratic party themselves. let's get to the origin of this. why is it that they dislike this president with such intensity unlike anything i've ever seen? >> it is politics. i think a lot of it democrats, republicans fight with this president. publicans even fight with this president. new kind of leadership. i hope the same assurances and it's the right thing we are giving taxpayers who earned these refunds will give today t-uppercase-letter workers, tsa workers and others who are worried about this coming not getting a paycheck i hope we get around to they'll be made whole.

there was a letter issued today from the national government democrats and republicans denounced the same queen please reopen the government renegotiate the board of all. like you i will wait through the president. i hope that democrats don't jump the gun. trish: apparently they already jumped the gun. we have their rebuttal. >> that's - everyone takes a hard line but we'll see what mrs. pelosi has said there's nothing the president could give the democrats that would persuade them to vote. trish: that's a pretty big - come on. >> we'll see how many dicta that. trish: there's been talk you may say look at the national emergency and i need this fall and i need this for security reasons and i will build it and to the heck with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. >> i think there's a chance and i hope he does not do that. i think what he will try to do - first of all, he speaking from

the oval office first time in the oval office is when you speak to the entire american people, not just the people you are rallies or follow you on twitter. he's trying to make the case. the case that he's going to make is that the choice today on security is between the wall or no border security at all. i think he's going to try to take democrats . trish: something in between as we all know. he will knows because - >> but from his point of view the wall is his signature issue. i don't think he can lose this. he picked a fight and i think the cost if he loses for him are higher than if this is pelosi for example gave him money, not the 5 billion but some amount he could declare victory. >> tony think it's more he asked for protections for the kids for security and providing more housing and safe housing. >> makes it a fuller picture, the goal is to try to make yourself look reasonable in the other side looked unreasonable. trish: -

>> both looked unreasonable right now. [laughter] trish: would you be okay with money going to lock your. >> he's the president and elections have outcomes. it's curious that he waited for the democrats to the majority in house to take this emotional painful and unusual approach to doing this. it's a long shutdown and all boils down to a wall. republicans to not give the president the wall last year's we don't need to relitigate that but these are facts. what will democrats be willing to give? that we have to listen him tonight and understand that 1.3 billion is what we started and can you get something between 1.3 and five as well as get broader location changes? one of the show democrats - as part of a $46 billion package and maybe that ought to be what we should look at doing. trish: wouldn't that be great? we are talking now, because if you could get a wall and immigration reform done that is

great but look, i don't think they want it there. that's the point of my editorial earlier. >> the real question is do they have priorities they are willing to take? the natural one is regular writing the dreamers, people brought and spent on the table before daca and if the democrats could get the exchange wall that the reasonably good trade for each site is given something but the question is do they want to deny president trump of victory more than they want this? if mrs. pelosi took daca she can make a reasonable case. yes, i fulfilled the democratic priority and in fact we lost last year when chuck schumer shut down government. >> this is called negotiating. this art has been lost in translation here in last year. i'm hopeful it democrats want to listen and if you publicans are willing to listen as well we might be able to find an angle

that reopens government and last democrats to get onto - the one. trish: this is a state and national emergency. >> i don't think i'll do that. trish: were saying that in some reports but from the rnc told us he's got every legal right to do this and indicated it before. it would be disastrous because it would will down in litigation but it could happen. perhaps it won't perhaps he can bring them to the table and he is a says he's a great negotiator. they don't want to negotiate right now but i hope that changes for the sake of this country and for the sake of people who want to come here and for the sake of everyone that is here. thank you so much. representative, good to see you. first time we've been together on the show but i hope you come back coming up, we are minutes away from the presidents primetime address to the nation with the president expected to make a case for this border wall. what it democrats still refuse

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trish: breaking right now, moments away from the president's very first oval office address. we are all over it here on foxbusiness. coming up, you'll cavuto's leading special coverage as we await the president right now, democrats trying to get ahead of the story. planning their own response to the president's comments on border security and the government shutdown. we already have speaker and senate minority leader planning their own statement that will be aired on a major network and now we have word that independent and former democratic candidate for president bernie sanders will also be planning a response. sure everyone is joining in right now. joining me his wisconsin congressman it would be nice - by the way, it's a shutdown beard or something? >> is a little grayer than it used to be, trish. [laughter] trish: it will grow until the shutdown is over? i'm just getting. >> that could be the case. trish: i hope it doesn't. no one wants this to go on for a

while but means that people have to come together and you got nancy pelosi and chuck schumer digging in their heels because they don't want to give a single dime to the small. they don't want it because then in their eyes president trump succeeds on another promise delivering on another promise. where does that leave us. >> even though it's right for america because chuck schumer, barack obama, hillary clinton all voted for border security and border wall or a fence ten years ago they won't vote for it today because donald trump has promoted it. we are at a standoff. my fear is someone will get hurt. we have really bad people from across our southern border and right to know who comes into the country. 400 people died last year alone trying to make the trip up to the southern border. 30% of women are sexually assaulted on the trip to our southern border. listen, there's no - i was at a conference with the republicans and vice president pence and we know our policy is right.

we are doing what is right for america. we have all the media against us. i've been calling for president trump to do in oval office address but only one guy has in oval office. address the nation and tell them how important it is and why his engagement in the fight and get away from the clutter of the talking heads and get right into america's living room and make a pitch to him so i think he smart to do this. by the way, to have nancy pelosi and chuck schumer come right on after is brilliant for us. it reminds republicans and even independents why they did not like nancy pelosi. you have california liberals in new york liberals don't have anything in common with middle america so i hope they do these responses because those responses don't resonate with middle america where i come from. trish: chrisman i've been watching and played a bunch of those mainstream media clips where let's not forget there are many members in the mainstream media saying we should not take us to begin and it took the four major networks quite a while

before they said yes we will take it. the president saying he's giving an oval office address. very first one. he's never done it before and if you're not sure if you'll take it? it could take multiple hours to think that one over and discuss among all your bureaucrat there? >> the testament that donald trump is treated differently and it's the power of his message and power of the fight we are in and that were right on it. i don't know those networks want to let donald trump speak darkly to the american people uninterrupted by liberal reporters during questions at him because he's right on the policy. move the working people in his direction and i think were talking how does this get resolved? we fly to dc every week and you get tsa and you get to know your agents. they don't get paid. they can't pay mortgages. it's tough for them. you start getting pressure and what happens is who gets the

blame on the shutdown? the message tonight by trump talking about the drugs coming in into america like communities like mine and meth and heroin the destroyed communities, ms 13 gang members permanent, potential terrorists coming in, the abuse that happens to kids on the journey up, this is the most compassionate policy to secure the border. if he does well tonight i think you'll see the national mood shift towards the rug and conservative policy and away from nancy pelosi and we can win this debate but donald trump the key message or tonight with everyday has to talk to the mac people and drive it home. the other level networks are never going to tell the story unless trump . trish: congressman duffy, thank you so much. the congressman mentioned something important which is compassion. this needs to be a part of the message tonight from president trump. compassion for people who want to come here. compassion for americans who are

already here. a very important night ahead as he addresses the nation in his very first oval office address. neil cavuto special coverage of nation begins right now.s to the ♪ ♪ >> this is fox business coverage of president trump's address to the nation. here is neil cavuto. neil: well, of course he has spoken to the nation before, but never with this venue, the oval office, a first for this president who's been in office for almost two years now. at issue is the border and what to do about it. he wants to build a wall, and he is arguing the funds should be made available by democrats who are saying we're not going to go beyond the $1.3 billion we've committed. that chasm has been narrowed but not enough to get democrats off the mark and not enough for the president to say he's got the latitude he needs to start

building that wall. what details will he lay out? we're minutes away from that address, again, one that will put a lot at stake for the future relations between the democratic house and senator chuck schumer who is working with that democratic house to make it very clear democrats will not just fold on this. to hal lambert, also nan hayworth and last but not least, andrew feldman. hal, let me begin with you. as someone who looks at this and steps way back with no political axe to grind one way or the other, do you think this is going to move the needle for the markets or money period, or are they focused on other things? >> well, look, president trump was forced into this tonight to go directly to the american people over national security. it's pretty amazing that's something we have to go to the american people about a. that's the main job of the federal government, and that's what nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are determined -- neil: they're not there to help him fulfill the campaign

promise, they're there to say, look, you're closing the government down because you not getting your way. you say? >> i would argue they're closing the government down. rook, the republicans passed, before the congress left, they passed the funding for this. and so the democrats stifled it. chuck schumer wouldn't let it be voted on, yet he voted for the secure fence act in 2006 along with barack obama and so did joe biden -- neil: no, you're right, there's been a lot of flip-flopping. andrew, what is the middle ground on this? if the president says this is not about a national emergency, in other words, he doesn't push that to tart building the wall itself -- to start building the wall itself, what are the alternatives to bridge this gap that i said is not being bridged and has a government shutdown or very close to being a record? >> sure. but i think that the president should go back to the grill -- the deal he first agreed to that the house passed earlier this week, neil. that was a deal that both

democrats and republicans and originally the president had agreed to. then we should have negotiations, because what we really need, neil, if we want to deal with this so-called crisis, which it's not a national security crisis, but if we want to deal with our border security, we need to deal with immigration reform comprehensively -- neil: we've had to deal with that for decades, ronald reagan, both parties have failed at this. that's what i want to get from you, ned, a sense of where we go from here. if you buy the argument that the president's going to state his case for that wall and maybe bring up some of these national security issues, democrats are going to argue that he's the one that's brought the government to the brink. of course, republicans just the opposite. the markets tend to focus on other things and think that this is just soap op a rah theater -- opera theater, because if they were worried about it, they have a funny way of showing it. >> right. neil ifing i was in the mirror image situation in 2011 when we were sworn in as the new

republican majority in the house. we had a leader in then-speaker john boehner who was a pragmatist and who worked very hard to prevent shutdowns, avert shutdowns. he -- we met president obama, we met the democrats in the senate in a positive way to have the kind of compromise that would move us forward. and the salient point here is that the democrats, as was mentioned by our previous guests, the democrats have voted for border wall funding, neil, and they voted for at least $8 billion of border wall funding as part of a package in 2013. so this is not a new concept to them. neil: no, i agree with you. i do want to try to avoid the finger-pointing here. hal, one of the things i do look at true the prism of the markets and people who bet with their money is they do not find this to be new oren settling. if anything, they're trading on things they want to get their hands on, and that is like a possible chinese trade deal.

and i wonder about that, because i read the foreign press, a hot of the english versions, "der spiegel" in germany, where they talk about a potential u.s. constitutional crisis here. so the foreign markets or foreigners are more fixated on the folly here than maybe we are, but what do you make of that? >> yeah, i don't think it's a constitutional crisis. i mean, look, the markets right now are up year to date. neil: right. >> if you -- neil: they're used to it, right? >> they're used to it. the previous 18 shutdowns you know what the market return's been? it's been flat. it hasn't really affected the markets historically. now, this could go on a lot longer than previous shutdowns. look, if we start seeing tsa people not showing up and the airlines start not being able to fly people around -- neil: no, no, you're right about that. and, andrew, that gets back to a point where democrats should worry about where they seem to feel they have the upper p.r. hand here, but tho c