lou: good evening, eive. everybody. shocking evidence revealing how closely the entire russia witch hunt is linked to the bogus trump dossier. that dossier authored by the smear merchants fusion gps and former mi6 agent christopher steel. new testimony reveal bruce ho b. at the time making it clear

bruce hor making it year that the document was motivated opposition research funded by allies of the clinton campaign and the dnc. we take owp the implications of the revolutions, two of the best legal minds in the country, attorneys victoria toensing and jo da venn ya. nancy pelosi schooled in playing political games with president trump. the speaker self satisfied this morning as she prepared to depart on a boon dog l, bragging that the president had no response to her demand he delay his state of the union address because of security concerns. >> let's get a date when if the government is open. but we haven't heard. very silent more than 24 hours to your question that you asked me every time i step out of the office.

j you heard. no, we haven't heard yet. lou: well she heard this afternoon. president trump stopped pelosi and herod call dimm cohorts about to go off on their little excursion in their tracks. you're look at a u.s. air force bus that was supposed to take the congressional members on a trip overseas. the bus was to head for the airport and military aircraft that would take them on their way. but the president stopping all of it, postponing, as he said, the trip, suggesting lawmakers' time would be better spent in washington while they look for a solution with him to open the government and end the humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border. >> they're on their way out, thousands and thousands of people. we don't know where they're from, who they are, nothing. we need strong borders.

we need strong barriers and walls. nothing else is going to work. everyone knows it. everybody is saying it now. just a question of time. while many democrats in the house and the senate would like to make a deal, speaker pelosi will not let them negotiate. the party has been hijacked by the open borders fringe within the party. the radical left becoming the radical democrats. hopefully democrat lawmakers will step forward to do what is right for our country. lou: well, they don't appear to be prepared to do so soon. as the shutdown continues and the political battle in washington rages, the next my grant caravan is headed for the united states creating considerable chaos in guatemala where authorities resorted to tear gas trying to bring the

unruly and rioting members of that caravan under control. we take up the clash between a president determined to build a border security wall and a democratic party in total disarray. republican strategist ed rollins, washington times opinion editor charlie hurt among our guests tonight. new evidence tonight that the corrupt leadership at the fbi and the department of justice knew all about the links between the smear merchants fusion gps and the clintons and the democratic party. and yet they used that phony dossier to launch a witch hunt against the president. fox news chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge with the report. >> this moves up the time line to the summer of 2016, three months before the fbi and justice department secured a surveillance warrant for a trump campaign aide. and the democrat shows that rho

shared the information about the dossier and its author christopher steele and two officers. from the testimony last year, he shared the intelligence with fbi deputy director mccabe, peter strzok and lisa page and with bruce schwartz and andrew wiseman. they're now assigned to special counsel robert mueller. according to the transcript ohr was clear he could not vouch for the credibility of the dossier and said that christopher steele was desperate to stop trump from winning the election. last summer ohr did not take any questions. >> at what dippe mr. ohr did yoi that he had an an mouse toward

mr. trump before the fisa application? mr. ohr will you answer any of our questions? >> he also told that his wife worked for fusion gps that was behind the dossier project. and that he gave the fbi two thumb drives one from his wife and the second from ben simpson, the cofounder of fusion gps. lou? lou: thank you very much, catherine herridge reporting. joining us to take up the reeve luges that threvelation that hee dossier with andrew wiseman and others. at the time wiseman was the head of the fraud selection, now a senior member of the special counsel office or witch hunt if you prefer. victoria toensing and jo digenova, former u.s. attorney for the district of columbia, founding partner of the firm

digenova and toensing. we sort of had an indication of this throughout. but this revelation now is raising all sorts of questions. one is it seems designed in part, at least to me, to make ohr look better but it is certainly damning to the top officials of the fbi. let's begin with you, victoria. >> he only looked slightly better because i think he's protecting sally yates. he was sally yates' deputy and yet he claims he never said this to sally yates. this needs to go to a grand jury where bruce ohr and sally yates are brought in to say whether he told her or not. and then for us who know the justice department, it's odd -- john solomon is such a good reporter. his facts are accurate. lou: john solomon reporting for the hill. >> this is his story. i was deputy assistant attorney

general. i did not brief section chiefs and line attorneys. they are not senior justice department officials. those kinds of people briefed me. why is ohr briefing people lower on the totem pole than me. and here's what else is wrong. he's briefing andrew wiseman. andrew wiseman is the head of the fraud section as you just reported. i soup rised the fraud section. it has nothing to do with fisa applications. what was he doing there. lou: not a part of what would be a counter espionage or counter intelligence operation or in any way associated with the national security division. >> out of his portfolio completely. more than the congress lying about what was said, that's more of the story. lou: this is a story, joe, as we all know, that goes on and on. and with the names that have

been fired and transferred and demoted. i mean on and on the list goes, at the top of the justice department. but primarily at the department, the fbi. there's no prosecution, there's nothing happening here. this is an entire deep state, it seems at least to most of us observing from a distance, that is purely to run out the clock and to deny justice, not to bring anyone to justice. >> well i think that's all going to change when bill barr becomes the attorney general. i expect him to authorize grand juries into all of this if they're not already being conducted. and to make them robust if they are not robust now and to replace people who are not doing their jobs, including mr. huber. what's fascinating about the ohr testimony is that he now establishes as a fact that the fbi was told, before the first application for a fisa warrant,

that the information was unverified, unreliable and that christopher steele had an an mousannaanmows toward the unite. what he has done through his testimony is establish that there was a cabal. that the fbi senior doj officials wanted to get donald trump regardless of the evidence and they wanted to spy on him and they succeeded t succeeded o by lying to a federal court and committing federal felonies. i except attorney general barr to impanel a grand jury to investigate all of this. lou: do you -- let's get your opinion on this. william barr, a man with a reputation for integrity and effectiveness, do you think he understands that this is a time in which the fbi has zero kred nlt witcredibility with the amen

public. and i'm talking about field agents through the top officials, unfairly in some cases, but for the top leadership of the fbi and the department of justice, it is a quagmire of corruption. >> i think he knows that the department of justice and the fbi are at an historic low in public respect and esteem. he knows that the senior people of the obama doj and fbi have destroyed an institution for two reasons, to protect hillary clinton and to destroy donald trump and to destroy his presidency. this is in fact the greatest political scandal in the history of our country. and i expect bill barr to do what he has always done. he will enforce the law equally but he will also ensure that the doj and the fbi are rooted out

of people who have subverted the rule of law. >> let me tell you what else bill has. he thaz a love of the law. and those of us who have been at the justice department feel the same -- lou: i hope we have somebody that has a love for this country and these people. this is just stomach churning to look at the level of corruption. >> it is. >> and those of us who love the law are so upset about what is happening. and bill barr is one of them. and he will do a fine job. lou: all right. victoria, thank you very much. we appreciate it. joe, thank you. >> you bet. lou: up next, president trump postpones nancy pelosi's overseas trip until the government shutdown is over. and the left losing its mind at the, well, postponement from the president. >> it's vindictive. >> it is a depressing additional

stepfatherrer down in what is an interpersonal staredown, a spat between the speaker of the house and the president. >> the president is acting like he's in the fifth great. >> clearly we do not have an adult in the white house. >> this is the president essentially being a man baby all over again. lou: oh, what biting language. terrible. the president reminding everybody what a president can do when provoked. and pelosi has been about as provocative as anyone should have to put up. we'll have a lot more, take it up after the break. ed rollins joins me. stay with us. we're coming right i can't tell you who i am or what i witnessed, but i can tell you liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no... only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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lou: the radical left in disarray. the dims dimms in total disarran capitol hill unable to come up with a coherent message and solve our message along the southern border or plan to end the partial government shutdown. since leaving the white house eight days ago, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer have been so ineffective and such failed leaders of the opposition party they now have the house majority

leader breaking ranks and contradicting their weak silly arguments that quote walls don't work or are, as pelosi insists, immoral. >> look, i don't think this is an issue of immorality. it's an issue of does it work. a wall that protects people is not immoral. >> they work some places. >> obviously they work some places. >> do you think a wall or barrier is racist? >> i don't think talk in those terms. i don't think that's the way we should look at it. lou: seizing on the left's instability, president trump accused the speaker of tying the hands of democrats who actually want a solution and would bargain in good faith. >> the federal government remains shut down because congressional dems refuse to approve border security. we're going to have border security. it's going to be tight. it's going to be strong.

lou: while adding to the political gamesmanship and drama today, the president denied access to military aircraft for speaker pelosi and her gang of colleagues just minutes before they were supposed to leigh for afghanistan, egypt and brussels. in a letter the president wrote this to the speaker. quote, obviously if you would like to make your journey by flying commercial that would certainly be your prerogative. this comes after pelosi requested the state of the union to be postponed. the president saying that pelosi's stip i trip is postpont cocanceled. the president saying that the nation would be better served by the speaker staying home to

negotiate. kevin mccarthy agreed with the president. >> being speaker of the house and leaving the country during a shutdown, i don't think that's appropriate. especially the speaker thinks we shouldn't have the state of the union? i think the best thing to happen and everybody could get in a room together and put the american people first before their travels and solve the problems. lou: the white house also announcing tonight it will not send a delegation to the world economic in davos as the shutdown of the government continues. president trump withdrew with delegation, the trip to davos. joining us tonight, former reagan white house political director, ed rollins great to have you with us. i've got to compliment. president. getting people out of davos is the right thing to do. why would a po populous presidet want to send a delegation to

that elitist, groab global e eln fab with everybody is paying to be there. it's a ridiculous waste of money. >> its no the a valuable asset. a lot of deals are done behind closed doors. lou: they spend million to hob hobnob. they're just props for the davos forum, feeding at the trough of corporate. >> couldn't agree with you more. at the end of the day they need to be here doing their jobs. lou: i love the president's letter to nancy pelosi. he had to postpone the use of military aircraft during the shutdown. i just love that. and i love the fact that the left, suddenly it's petty if you want to respond to a provocation

from the speaker. i think the president will likely demonstrate the full power of the president responding to this nonsense from the speaker. >> as this thing came across the wire today i chuckled because i used to sit in the white house and members of congress would come over saying i'm the constitutional equal of the president. no you're not. get the other members of the congress and come back and then you're the equal. the speaker runs allegedly the house. she is not the house. she represents the house and she should be representing the house in these meetings. the idea that she would go away on a secret trip -- why she's never going to afghanistan, she's never supported anything to afghanistan. lou: he probably want to negotiate with the taliban. >> jon for her to go on a pr toi think the president did the right thing. this is going to go down from a

historical perspective -- lou: i love that this president is giving her hell and what for that outrageous attack by the spiker. shspeaker. she likes to play politics, the president will be able to school her before it's done. >> he certainly would do. i would not want to be on the speaker's staff today when the bus pulled up and said no, sorry, there's no plane for you at dulles. you go to go commercial. lou: and the minority leader, mccarthy supporting the president. lindsey graham, what is going on with this guy? >> sitting at the chairman's chair is apparently getting to his head. he's been very supportive of the president the last couple of months. i don't know what's going on today. they all pop off and say things they shouldn't saying. they put a camera in his face every day. every day he feels he has to talk and say things that aren't very relevant. and today it wasn't any of his

business. you know, it just is -- you got to be supportive of the president. lou: aoc, alexandria ocasio-cortez taking her band of minions, fellow freshmen to mitch mcconnell's office. you got to admire her tactics. >> i made the mistake on this show, which i've since apologized for, i called her -- the reality is she's going to be a player and she's going to be there for 30 years and she needs to know she she's in the house and not in the senate, chasing down the leader of the senate -- lou: beta o'rourke, one of your favorites? >> i love getting his teeth cleaned the other day. that was really relevant to the dialogue going on in the country. if that's what the democrats put up.

lou: ed rollins appreciate it. up next, president trump announcing a new much more aggressive approach to missile defense. >> we must be certain that our defensive capabilities are unrivaled and unmatched. we will terminate any missile launches from hostile powers. when it comes to defending america, we will not take any chances. we will only take action. lou: fred fleitz with us next. but before we go to break, take a look at the national debt. yes, it's rising rather dramatically. we're coming right back after this. i joined the army after 911,

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taiwan preparing for a possible chinese invasion. taiwan called for international support to combat china's growing threats. president trump today at the pentagon announcing his administration's new missile defense review. president trump calling for an improved space defense system that includes sensors and weapons to detect and stop missiles upon launch. he also demanded 20 new ground base interceptors to be installed in alaska. the president hoping the improvements will help curtail russia and china's growing and advanced weapons systems that now face the united states. joining us tonight, fred fleitz, president and ceo for the center of policy and former chief of staff for the national security council. fred, good to see you. >> good to be here. lou: let's start with this missile defense system. the president committing to it, estimated $11 billion in new

spending. how soon can we imagine that it will be in place. >> well, it's going to take some time. but this is an important initiative because there are new technologies we have to deal with, such as russia's hyper sonic missile which is almost impossible to shut down. china is improving the missile program and huge advances in the iran than and north korea missile programs. north korea could hit the east coast of the united states with a missile today. the accuracy they're working on but it is real threat. and this program will help deal with that. lou: the president working to negotiate a denuclearization of north korea. the suggestion is that a second summit could occur within a month or so. what are your thoughts? >> well, you know critics are always criticizing the president for the north korea strategy. there haven't been any missile tests, nuclear tests since late 2017. this is a significant step

forward. i think the north koreans are close to making minor concessions. they've been dragging their feet. the purpose of a new summit is to get kim to reaffirm his commitment to what he agreed to in si singapore. lou: i have to tell you, this is, to me, a process game that's being played. it's unbkin unbecoming to the tp administration. this is the stuff diplomats playing at getting something done. this is a president all about getting this done and talking about reaffirming language and blah blah blah blah blah. that usually leads to confrontation and we've got a whole history with north korea of precisely that result, do we not? >> well the north koreans know if they hold out long enough we're going to give them a concession and that's not going to happen under president trump or mike pompeo or john bolton.

that's why the talks are so difficult. the president after president have played this game and lost with north korea. lou: you know why? it's not a game. it is life and death and it should -- i don't think anyone in washington should try to per perpetuate the nonsense that has been the purview of the state department with this president. i don't think it will work out well for them or for frankly the country. let's turn to something you brought up, which was the hyper sonic missiles that are being developed by russia and china. now the hell is it that the united states would have to say -- our defense department -- that we do not have an adequate defense against such weapons. hell we don't even have such weapons. how could this be? >> one reason is because the obama administration devastated our missile defense program. it was still inadequate but they brought it down so much that even obama officials are had to

rebuild some of it because of the north korea threat. what's being done by the new initiative by president trump we're going to have space based interceptors that will be able to strike the missiles when they're most vulnerable, whenl n there's a plume that's hotter and larger than any time at the missile's launch. it gives us a good chance of shooting them down. a very important initiative. lou: taiwan, the threats from mainland china against taiwan, where are we headed and just how serious do you think the chinese are in creating a real conflict? >> well, on one hand the teu taiwanese president is not using the traditional ambiguous language on taiwan's independence. but we can't put this on her. this is china upping the ante against taiwan. china is not engaging in

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migrant caravan from honduras has breached the border of mexico and guatemala. some 500 people are said to be in the town about 2400 miles from san diego. thousands of other migrants apparently aren't far behind spending the night in guatemala city. the caravan is moving quickly we're told picking up organized

free rides along the way. that means governments are actually helping as these folks make their way northward. joining us tonight, charlie hurt, fox business contributor. great to see you. another care von. caravan. and what is different this time? >> it's truly amazing. the most amazing thing about it is that we have a once legitimate party here in washington that is unified around the idea that the border security, the crisis on the border is somehow a manufactured crisis. when you see images. lou: they're right about that, though. the left has organized these caravans, the ngos, the nonprofits with, the political action groups all have organized those caravans for political purposes. >> absolutely. but the point is that that's not the point they're trying to make. obviously the point they're

trying to make -- willed i was lou: i was trying to help them out. >> that it's manufactured by the guy sitting in the white house. when in fact the guy sitting in the white house is the only guy that's occupied that chair, the only person in washington with that kind of swath in the past 30 years who has said enough is enough. we want to do anythin somethingt it. the thing that troubles me the most, when you look at these terrible stories about children dying, being dragged across the border by parents or by adults and dying on the border, the only way to fix that, the only way to stop that is to stop the illegal immigration. and if people like nancy pelosi actually care about those people, she would get behind the effort to stop the event from occur in the first place. lou: what does nancy pelosi care about? >> nothing. lou: she doesn't care about the

immigrants, about border control or working men and women, her fellow citizens. she cares about votes apparently in the far left and rather peculiar constructs of what is in the national interest. she does not want, under any circumstance, to serve the national interest. it is something to behold. she was on her way to afghanistan and the president said no, we've got to postpone that. i now you're taking off you think in about an hour but you're not. are you outraged or do you applaud the president for so doing? >> yeah. and then i call them indentured voters and that's what nancy pelosi cares about. that's what the democrats care about at the end of the day. they care about the idea that they're getting millions of people from outside of the country -- i don't even by the way believe that those who come here legally or illegally all wind up voting for democrats. if they come here and wind up being successful and they make money, as many of them will,

they'll wind up being -- they're not going to support democrats anyway. they may not support the republican party but they're not going to be democrats. but the drk. lou: that's about the best the republican party can get right now, isn't it? my question is, do you believe the president did the right thing, postponing nancy pelosi's boon dog l? >> of course. it was terrific. and it sent the message that -- and you know, washington has been dysfunctional for a very long time. so i think having these fights out in the open, it's a healthy thing, it's great. and you know, donald trump, president trump made a very good point. if this is such a crisis in washington that the government is shut downand you are one half of the decision that's going to decide when to open the government again, why are you going on a junket for ten days? why aren't you staying here working with me, figuring out a way to get the government open. and i think he wins it. and you step back, the big

picture, always go back to the big picture. the principle donald trump is standing on is the principle of securing the border. what is the big principle that nancy pelosi is standing for. i don't know. lou: hoyer, her number two explained one thing clearly. he believes that borders are not simply to be ignored, that walls do work. in fact that they're not immoral. this is a party right now that is imploding upon itself with conflict. and by the way, i can't think wait the hear what the president does about the 757s that are escorting the democratic elitist all around the country. you know, if they had to fly commercial -- i think this is a grand idea the president has seized upon here. and may me have a laundry list

of them. it's time for her to understand there are coequal branches and there are presidents. and speaker of the house doesn't rise to that level. charlie hurt, great to see you my friend. thanks so much. up next u.s. officials floating the idea -- who are those officials? we'll take that up. they're talking about lifting tariffs and thinking somehow that would be the way to move forward in the trade dispute with china. how about that. more stupid. right after the break i talk with howard public policy professor. stay with us. we'll be guys, it's that time... and nothin's happenin'. well now there's score!, from force factor, to rev your libido and maximize physical response. it's no wonder walmart offers score! in more locations than any other performance enhancer. unleash your potential in the bedroom, with score!.

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lou: stocks closed higher on wall street. the dow up 163 points, the s&p up 20, the nasdaq up 50. volume on the big board 3.7 billion shares. crude oil closing flat, gold and silver also relatively flat. copper up half a percent. a reminder to listen to my reports three times a day coast to coast on the salem radio network. joining us now to take up what is going on with tariffs and trade and illegal immigration, we are joined by

professor of public policy at howard university. great to have you with us. good to see you as always. >> thanks for having me on. lou: let's start with the report from "the wall street journal" that the white house pushed back against that the white house is considering unilaterally to reduce tariffs and to back off from the president's assertion that he wants balanced reciprocal fair trade as a way to get them to come to the table and get serious. i can't personally think of a more preposterous idea apparently proffered by treasury secretary mnuchin. what is your reaction? >> it doesn't make sense to me why you would take the presh sewer off. i don't know how that hole. that helps you in the negotiations. and the other thing to keep in mind is that, you know, the wall street folks are the same ones who sold us a bill of goods 20

years ago, you know, telling us that we were going to be able to export a lot to china. that hasn't panned out. instead we run very very large trade deficits even in advanced technology products. lou: as a matter of fact china is the one exporting advanced technology to us. and we've got a few folks wanting to applaud the idea that they would buy soybeans from us. this is the exact reverse of how the relationship between china and the united states should be framed both in terms of trade deficits, as the president points out, it should be balanced. they should not be running tariffs ten times greater than we put against goods. and they're stealing us blind, ron. stealing us blind. and we've got somebody in the white house, maybe the treasury secretary, wanting to apiece

them foappeasethem why they're g taiwan and one of their admirals is talking about sinking a couple of our aircraft carriers. >> the wall street folks like the deals that we've struck with china. it's been a disaster for the average american, right, as we've massively off-shored jobs, we've got persistently high trade deficits and we're transferring all of the technology. it's not just the tariffs, it's the nontariff barrier to trade, the forced technology transfer. nobody would have predicted 20 years ago that china would be exporting computer network technology that would be building all of these iphones and smartphones and building their own companies that are making that kinds of technology, you know, high-tech devices and what not. the textbook economics just doesn't work here. lou: tex bootextbook economics e

relationship with china, there isn't a chapter in most textbooks about espionage and stealing intellectual technology from a country that goes straight to the pla, the communist army. and we are the ones stupid enough, as the president has pointed out, president after president has not understood the concept that if you let a country steal all of your technology, all of your advanced intellectual property, they don't have to -- they don't need a decade to move from emerging to develop. they need about a year and a half. >> that's right. technology catchup happens a lot faster than most people realize and it's happened at a remarkable rate for china and it has huge national security imp implications. the reason we have a robust high-tech industry in the u.s. is because of all of our research and development

investments mostly from the department of defense. most computing technology was underwritten by the department of defense, you and i as u.s. taxpayers and we're giving that stuff away. lou: and the treasury secretary, iappears to be the one who would like to continue the process by dropping these tariffs. and thinking of this not in geopolitical strategic terms that would involve consideration of defense as well as markets, it's just mindlessly naive on the part of the treasury secretary to proffer such a proposition to the president or to the public. >> well, i think those companies, you know, wall street profits from this, this kind of trade arnght. sarrangement.they're going to p, continue to push for it. it's bad for america and bad for the american workers.

lou: ron, good for america and good for the workers. always great to see you professor. thanks so much. new evidence that the fbi and the department of justy knew all about just how dirty and phony the steele dossier was and yes, they considered it so they could spy on the president of the united states. we'll have more on that when we continue. stay with us. i switched to liberty mutual because they let me customize my insurance, and as a fitness junkie, i customize everything. like my bike and my calves. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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established there was a cabal. fbi senior officials wanted to get donald trump. and they wanted to spy on him. they succeeded in doing so by lying to a fisa court and committed federal penalties in doing so. lou: the president put a stop to nancy pelosi's boondoggle just

as her bus was scheduled to leave for the airport. the president said the trip is just postponed. thanks for being with us. see you tomorrow. we better get something done because i think the markets are set up for something to get done and if something doesn't get done i think there will be a downside. lauren: investors are hoping a deal with china will happen but treasury officials pushing back on reports that the u.s. may lift tariffs on chinese imports. cheryl: the dow jumped yesterday on the news. futures higher, dow up 105, s&p up 9, nasdaq up 29. lauren: been a pretty good week for stocks. in europe, stocks to the upside as well. the dax in germany is gaining 1.2%, similar across the board. cheryl: stocks in asi