i was a terrible call. >> it seems like it the american way. >> disappointing. anyway, that does it for us. >> "bulls & bears" with david asman starts right now. david: this is "bulls & bears." thanks for joining us today. i'm david asman. joining me, susan li, carol roth, john rayfield with global growth fears and uncertainty over china trade deal flaming thoughts today. the dow plummeting 300 points on news the justice department will continue to purse you the extradition of huawei ceo if she's not released. many believe the report last week that china deal was imminent. if you are watching "bulls & bears" on friday, you already know the administration was discounting those reports. roll tape.

>> nothing has been resolved. no contract. i want to be an optimist about china trade. the president has indicated a certain amount of optimism about china trade. communicating with chinese president xi. some of these news reports are simply inaccurate. david: are we ever going to make a trade deal in china? >> i'm optimistic that we have a long way to get there. it seems like reports are saying they need to move on structural issues like intellectual property protection and transfer of technology. something china might massage into this march 1st deadline. cheney's appeal as we saw with the gd report and the china growth figures as much worse are the six by by 6% is what the headline numbers that and my feeling is a big overhang of debt and exports are crunching into the economy down about 8%

according to "the wall street journal" in 2018. >> i agree with susan. right now the trade wars not have been as much direct effect on the economy as the consumer sentiment does. china has gone from an export economy to a consumer driven economy in the transition has been done by a massive amount of debt which president xi started pulling back a couple years ago. more reason for the economy suffering right now. the exports only account for 9% of the total economy and they are affected by these terrorists. we have a consumer driven economy as china is having then you have consumer sentiment because of these trade tariffs. that's when you see the economy back off. not necessarily a direct effect on it, but similar to what you see with cap explained that as a consumer sentiment. >> i was going to say i think the trade is the biggest

preventable had went to the market right now and i think the president is very focused on not. from a timeline crunch i think even nowhere in a stronger position overall from a timeline standpoint i think were in a weaker position than i think we will get something like susan said a partial deal by march but i don't think it's going to address all of the broad things that need to be addressed here potentially make it something broken up into pieces very get part of it done right away. >> i don't see a comprehensive trade deal. we may see with respect to china's following another president put out a tweet today that he was proud of china slowing. no one should feel good about china slowing because we're now in the global economy. china slowing, europe, germany, france and the u.k. eventually impacts us flowing. even though were the largest economy, we now live in a global

economy. this whole idea of the slowness going on will eventually impacts us know which is why a lot of economists are calling second half of the year early into next year going into recession. i don't believe for going into one, that you have at least half of them thinking that now. >> nobody's talking about the fact this is the first time i remember the chinese specifically linking the arrest of this huawei ceo with trade talks. the fact that it was made explicit, does that have any significance? >> first of all i'm skeptical about these reports because i don't think they want to make the connection between the two. huawei is a private company. you don't want to link it to his date actions, so i would be hesitant to believe the headline worth reading right now. >> we've spoken on this often. huawei has been on the radar of the united dates for years under president obama they did not

allow huawei to move anywhere near a military base. so now, you know, if the chinese government, you do this with a private citizen and this will unwind how we look at our sovereign relationship. that goes to the whole idea that huawei is a state run company. i agree with susan. i don't know if it's fact or fiction, but it doesn't bode well for where they want to go. >> i completely agree. [inaudible] >> and also underpins the way we address intellectual property. you have to understand even if china gets a deal, it will take them a long time to have background through the way the chinese do business. they are used to doing business not by innovating, but by knocking other people off. this is not just the tech are. this is in the consumer sector. a complete shift in their mindset in the way the chinese to business.

even if they were to agree to something, it will take a long time for that to cycle through their businesses as well. >> i think china is just playing the game. china is using this huawei of negative to get and political favor on their side. they are playing the u.s.a. and they offered the same deal by in about trillion dollars closing the trade deficit that they offered in december when president xi and president trump match in buenos aires. they are killing the clock. they look at the united states and what they see right or wrong is a divided country, government shutdown. the house that went republican. they think that they can they longer than the u.s. can. china thinks they're negotiating strength i don't see a trade deal. i hope we have one but i don't see it. >> two canadian citizens now in the mix as well. they've arrested two canadians. they specifically called out maybe they're not specifically calling out the u.s., but they have specifically called out the

canadians were the arrest of the huawei ceo. is there going to be a trade going on here? >> the extradition of the huawei ceo and they are criticizing the names of the canadians in china right now. they're in a tough position right now. they are trying to appease their largest trading partner, which is the united states and also their sixth largest trading partner which is china as well. david: how's it going to end? >> yet to play the middle and say justice is justice in this is a diplomatic affair. >> the one thing we know is we don't know. we've been hearing about the china-u.s. situation forever and nothing is moved. we still have the intellectual property problems. we still have trade imbalances. >> to talk about buying a trillion goods. nothing really changes

structurally. does that appease them and say we don't have to make those long-term changes? >> the best thing that can happen if we don't get the trade deals we want to say animal care situation. i think as john was mentioning before, you have china consumer different country. the u.s. consumer driven country and all of a sudden they show an incredible slowdown in consumer confidence in those tariffs are hitting both sides. >> the thing i love about what has been happening in this is a sore spot not only for me but i know for larry kudlow as well. the arbitrary trade stats and i think john yoo said upon this as well but somehow by suggesting if we have an absolutely equal balance between what we get from china and will be sent to china everything is hunky-dory. that's not how it's working because right now with the tariffs we have a worse trade deficit than we had without them. >> if you don't want the trade

imbalance, don't cut taxes. it's what reagan did and you have the trade imbalance surge. most people believe when you're the bigger crime to me you should be buying things from other countries. that shows the strength not weakness. david: congresswoman ocasio-cortez has a problem with billionaires and with the capitalist system that made them rich. so, will american voters by her alternative? that is next. t. rowe price experts go beyond the numbers to examine

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>> it allows billionaires to access when there are parts of alabama where people are getting access to public health is wrong. david: the democrat leader implied the system is also immoral, but is our capitalist system actually immoral, would you think? >> so, in aoc i think as we are all calling her now, she is a passionate compassionate individual. there's no question she's making a difference. with respect to her talking about billionaires, the truth is the top 25 billionaires have $1.3 trillion in assets. i think i saw more than $3.8 billion individuals. trickle down economics has not worked. but i don't view being a millionaire has anything to do. and many of these come and they are the ones giving to philanthropy or these workers who are unemployed. we should also prod those doing well. i believe in the capitalist

system, but i don't think trickle-down economics has worked in a very long time. >> i don't think she's making a difference. i think she's spreading lies. it is important for us to stand up and explain why capitalism is so important. the reality is you have to incentivize people to take risk. there is a premium on taking risk and sometimes it doesn't work out and sometimes you hit a single and sometimes you had a grand plan. when they hit a grand slam, and they would not take it away from someone else. they are growing the pie for everyone and there has never been a better time to be not only an american, but a person in the world. capitalism has not only made by his better but eliminated extreme poverty to a big extent around the world and that's because of the innovations of the people who are allowed to take risk under capitalism. >> bad idea of extreme poverty around the world, 36% extreme poverty is now around 10%.

and the poverty moving into middle class and technology and the capitalist system. i'm not sure she's spreading lies. she's very fervent about it. a very passionate belief in what she says. she sees the world differently. it's good tv. if there were a sensible congress person, you get the extremists on air. there's always been right-wing, left-wing extremists. she simply a case of that. i'm not sure she's going to gain much traction. however, she is going and make some headway if they migrate towards the middle because of the decided -- dissatisfaction of the leadership is the reason she's rising. >> have ever seen a freshman congresswoman get this much media attention? even before she stepped into office, 60 minutes, you name it.

what is wrong with the american dream? is this what everyone lives were to make themselves as successful as possible. they are millennial sun kids in college the dream of the silicon valley tech titans. isn't that the level you want to reach one day? what is wrong with that? david: to john's point no system in the world that is led to as many poor people becoming middle class, middle class becoming rich and vice versa as superrich people lose at all if listen. it is that economic mobility. the other thing she said was the vast majority of american don't makea, quote, living wage. i'm not sure what a living great wages. the vast majority do make a comfortable wage in the united states. she says things, at the very least they're not accurate. >> i agree they're not accurate.

and she didn't say they give raise to billionaires. look at what bloomberg and george lucullus and bill gates, look at what they've done for education right here in america because of the fact they live in a capitalist society in the giving back william ayers. a lot of them with the private money. there's a lot of good being done out there. i don't think we have to throw rocks at these guys but it does give media attention. >> i feel like you're giving her too much of a task year. she is extremely likable, but it's spreading misinformation, people will start believing that this information. it is incumbent upon all of us to call her out time and time again and not give her path because she's likable or passionate. she is coding information that is just plain wrong and there is

no misinterpreting the information. not because people are becoming poorer. it's because they are becoming wealthier under a capitalist system and people all over the world risk life and limb to come here and participate in the system. here is someone representing us who wants to tear it down. that's extremely dangerous. >> i'm not sure i agree with that and i don't think she's being dishonest. the last few weeks what's going on with the shutdown. you have something like 40% of the individuals affected by the shutdown. they don't have $500 in their savings. i don't think they think that they're poor. i think they are making a living wage. but they need their paycheck. and zero, trickle-down economics, i think what is happening whether it may or deblasio or alexandria sub 10 in

the populace out, which i clearly am not. they're making a point that it has not worked for a very long time. and that is the fact. we can argue all we want. it just hasn't worked. david: you can also argue that the tax cuts instituted by donald trump has led to an enormous growth and jobs in the united states. i've never seen more job growth than what we have right now and as a result of that, that gives individual wage earners much more power. of course those working for the federal government don't have a lot of it. those in the private sector have more power to negotiate better jobs, better wages than they've ever had. >> the only thing i'll say is the participation rate is around 63%. it is great we have this myriad number of jobs, but there's a huge skills gap. >> the population is getting older. >> there's a skills gap david: and being told by producers who got to go. she was talking about ringworm in alabama.

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david: s. fears over economic growth continue to rise, sounding the alarm of an economic slowdown earlier with maria bartiromo and downloads. -- davos. >> people need to realize it's going to be a negative of all things on growth. europe has a negative growth in the united states is going to have a negative growth environment. i don't mean absolute negative. i mean slowing of growth in a material way that could be close to between 0% in 2%% over the next 18 months. we are going to be in a slow growth environment capital.

>> at a slowing economy hurt president trump's reelection campaign in 2020? what do you think? >> absolutely. presidents are not elected based on the economy if it's not a wartime president. with adult two-term presidents except for president bush to first. ross perot had something to do with that, that the economy going into a tailspin was one president that was a one term president. if this economy stays strong and there's not a foreign-policy miss take its major come in starts a war that is our fault, president trump gets reelected. if the economy falters, which is certainly seems in the next year is, if the democrats had any type of rising star the top there, he will get beaten a landslide. >> there's no question if the economy doesn't do well, president trump or any president to his running would be in

trouble. they will always be the economy and foreign policy. people care about how it helps me in my pocket book and am i safe. the president in his election against victor terry clinton won those people didn't feel like america was looking out for them. the blue wall was run by president trump because they didn't feel like their wages, their jobs were where they needed to be. if you see a reversal of that, it will call back. >> doesn't matter who owns the downturn in the economy? is a president trump salt when it comes to economics? we're looking at at $244 trillion in debt. three times the global economy. with all of that incurred under president trump? not necessarily. does he own it in the election? >> i think he certainly does on

it, we can certainly have the slow growth we have almost 7 million jobs still available in a tight labor market. just because being slow down a little bit doesn't mean people will be affect it in their pocket books. i think he really needs to see how much that slowing down the visit does affect their pocket books whether it's right or wrong. david: george h.w. bush failed to win a reelection in 1992, even though by the time the election actually happened, we were out of a recession. the economy's low down in the year of the election itself. we were actually out of it at the time, but to susan's point, it was laid on him. the economic slowdown.

>> unfortunately, if you go back in history every time we have a war we have an increase in taxes. every time. even if you go back to the civil war or the revolutionary war. no matter what type of tax that is. president bush 41 was in the middle of a war and he announced no new taxes and then the economy slowed and all the sudden there was a change. david: he is a businessman and he knows what incentivizes businesses. very good with regard to the tax cuts, deregulation. it worked, but there's only so much they can do with a divided government. other than deregulation, what else could he do. go ahead. >> i was going to say i think that's part of the reason why he owns anything that goes on with the economy because that is what people is expecting. at the end of the day, people are expecting everybody is going

to do better off with him. that put double the pressure on. >> stock markets are up 25% since election day. if you're going to give them he does own the abs. >> yeah, if you're given the downs, he does have to give some big trees in terms of stock market he has that right now. david: one thing that is weighing heavily on the economy at least inside the beltway as the shutdown. the partial government shutdown on president trump's plan to reopen the government. does it have enough votes to pass? mike rounds joining us next with his take. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. great news for anyone wh- uh uh - i'm the one who delivers the news around here.

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david: the partial shut down enough continues now on day 32 as the white house says it is moving a i had to deliver the state of the union speech a week away. a new report says immediate cost of the shutdown of the economy could surpass at least for the moment i've $.7 billion that trump wants for the wall. the senate is set to vote on trump's plan to reopen the government on thursday, but will that pass? the answer from our capitol hill senior producer who knows all inside the beltway, chad pergram. >> thanks for having me. both of these are procedural votes. the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell will bring up the president's plan for the wall and also reopen all parts of the government. and then they will have a vote on the democrat on the democrats plan to come a separate proposal obviously doesn't have wall funding. the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said to reject this

proposal democrats would have to prioritize political combat with the president at his federal workers, dr. recipient and predictable government funding. simultaneously in a house rules committee is prepping a separate set of six spending bills they will put on the floor but were moved through the senate in some form earlier this year and like last year they will try to move these. the high water mark last week on these bills was 12 republicans. that's what's going in the house and that's what's going on the senate. we have diversion bills here with no end to the shutdown inside because they're basically talking past each other right now. the backdrop is a week from tonight the president is scheduled to come to deliver his state of the union message. right now it doesn't look like that's going to happen. they are forging ahead with a planned but at the end of the day this is nancy pelosi's call.

the house and senate both have to approve what is called a concurrent resolution to use the house chamber for a joint leader and of congress for the president comes and also the house and senate meet in the same place. pretty much a pro forma thing. i've never looked at the text of one of these until today, but they do have to vote on that. if the house doesn't vote in the senate doesn't vote, guess what, there's no invitation. know where the president can come here to speak. can you speak in a form someplace else but not a session on capitol hill. david: chad, fascinating stuff. south dakota senator mike rounds. thank you very much for joining us. appreciate you being here. nancy pelosi, the speaker dismissed president trump's compromise over the weekend even before she heard it. how do you find common ground with someone who is unwilling to even listen to the idea of a compromise?

>> it was unfortunate she took that approach. we hope she'd say that's not acceptable but there's another one that may be acceptable and hopefully we had thought maybe this might break the stalemate of taking not just a step forward and clearly identifying the amount you want, but also sweeten the pot so to speak in terms of adding in some additional layers holding the rest of the government through until soup number 30 at some humanitarian aid also included and also once again about the young people in our country right now that are very nervous about their future. what we've got right now is a group of young people going to college and so forth. president obama tried to do something with it. unfortunately we don't think of as constitutional the way he did it. this would've given us a chance to have made the three-year delay of anything happening to them, something they could have counted on. >> senator, carol roth. we have very important functions

like air traffic controllers who are now going to be missing their second paycheck. at what point does the concern for these individuals and the position that they are holding out where the politics both from the down side as well as republican side? >> i thought it would've occurred already. and i really thought we would've had this resolved already. nobody wins in a shutdown and most certainly the individuals out there who literally live in airports moving back and forth into washington and all we can do right now and say look, anything reasonable at all that we get past the impasse we are going to try to do. but we also have to do something that will satisfy speaker pelosi and the president because without the president supported takes a two thirds vote to the house and senate, which is not there. it will take a majority vote in the summit in dixie vote in the senate and the majority vote in the house. we haven't found that yet and

that's what it's going to take. it takes those two individuals to come together and recognize there's got to be some sort of an agreement that they will both settle on. >> senator, robert wolf. what i'm confused about is the senate vote that took place before christmas time is keeping the government opened and it's the same one the house would take and pass as well. so there is a plan to keep the government open. i think you voted for that before christmas. >> that's the same as the house though. into a continuing resolution on homeland security. i think that was vetoproof at that point it was 90 something. >> would happen in the senate was a voice vote, which meant that nobody wanted to contest that we wanted to go forward with it. without the white house had agreed to that. the president had not agreed to it and once he told the house he

had not agreed to it, and they decided they would not move forward at that time. they are still not there in the house. the president even if you pass out of the senate and the house come you still have a presidential veto looming over and that would delay getting to the bottom line that would actually become law. there are not enough votes to override a presidential veto at this point. once the president made it clear he would not accept a proposal that we thought was going to become law in the would've extended the continuing resolution into february. the president made it clear he's not accepting it and once that happened those boat simply aren't enough air. there won't be enough votes to override a presidential veto. >> senator rounds, i just want to ask the economy at this point, and economic impact of the partial shutdown at this point. senator, the calculations were down .1% every week that this

goes on. this extends to the end of this week the impact of the u.s. economy would cost more than the actual wall. what is your reaction? >> it's not a surprise. shutdowns are not healthy. they don't help the economy. they set a terrible example for the rest of the world and this is the reason we thought our two leaders would come to an agreement. we are prepared to negotiate settlement. you've got to have good trade. you can't have good tax policy. you've got to get bureaucrats off the backs of businesses. the most certainly it's also got to have an understanding that government is operational as well. as much as some people think government doesn't have much to do with an economy it really does. even just a regulatory aspect talking about saa individuals in directing aircraft where they're supposed to go were talking about folks in tsa, all that impacts the economy with regard to the services.

south dakota we've got ranchers they can't even cash their livestock checks because they've got a lien on it with the federal government and there's nobody working at the federal agencies right now to sign the backs of the check so they can put it in the bank and pay their debt. >> senator john layfield here. the house and senate for two years, why did the president wait to pick this fight when democrats took control of the house knowing this could be the outcome. second, is the only option you have now enough votes to override a veto so it has to come somewhere between ms. pelosi and truncating along on a deal for you guys are being held hostage as well. >> anytime you get past september 30th and you don't have your work done and congress is only completed its work on time, four times in the last 45 years, you put yourself in a position to be wedge and that's exactly what's going on right now. were not happy about it.

would like to find some common ground. this is got to be decided between speaker pelosi and the president. the president took the first step and he came in and said all negotiate with you, so you've got to give the credit to the president for trying once again to at least take a step forward. speaker pelosi has said you get nothing. there's nothing on the table and were not going to counter. >> i'm sorry, senator. we've got to end it there because the satellite is going to go down. really appreciated. best of luck to you. the dow both economic forum is to be a place for political leaders to show off, but this year politicians are largely staying at home and live in the subject of economics to business people. is that how it should be? the debate coming next. that's why there's ocuvite. screen light... sunlight...

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david: president trump is going after fake news again this time over his not to attend the economic forum in davos, switzerland. last i went to davos the fake news that i should not go there. this too because of the shutdown i decided not to go there in the fake news that i should be

there. the people understand the media better than the media understands themselves. president trump for other world leaders are not attending because the political problems at home. is it time to leave economic forms to business leaders and key political leaders out of it? would you think? >> i don't excel and i don't think so for a different reason. you have a breadstick going on right now that is an unmitigated disaster. you don't get a chance to do something in your board vote on it in two and half years later say can we get a do over on that question mark we haven't figured it out yet. the longest government shutdown going on right now. how about all these leaders go to this foreign but not be allowed to say one word and maybe learn how something runs efficiently. >> davos is like the ultimate boondoggle. wealthy people who ride their private jets or they can lecture you about global warming and

income inequality. it's absolutely silly and ridiculous. in a free market people can do whatever they wanted not for me to say they shouldn't do that. world leaders certainly seem to have enough issues at home that they should be focusing on those issues at home and not needing to go to a get-together. but if they find that a better and more effective way to get together what am i to say. >> you're basically living -- [inaudible] what i'm trying to say is i think it makes sense for leaders to attend davos. you can make names damp things like the chinese president did a few years ago when he showed up to fill the vacuum for globalism that the u.s. may have been rich reading from. there's a time and place for leaders to show up and make their points are. >> with sin, since the lehman crisis, the intersection of politics and finances interconnected. it's been interconnect did the

last decade continuously. i think it's important political leaders go to davos. i think president trump and may and the other leaders aren't attending their spray. they need to be home. more important things than him going to davos. >> access -- >> i think it's always a good thing to be with the business does and it's a great thing to interconnect. they get a better understanding of what the private sector thinks is truly going on. >> they love the movie stars. let's face it. what attracts you about it is what makes me nervous about it. i don't like the intersection of politics and business. i think they are too close now in the financial crisis and i kind of liked it. am i wrong. >> you're absolutely right. these are the cronies people

always complain about. the majority of the business is almost 30 million small businesses. they certainly don't get access to all these political leaders, but they account for half of the employment of the country. having a little more separation instead of putting them in the crowd really plays to the reasons trump was elected in the first place. david: we've got to leave it at that. do they get severance pay because a hotel in japan has quite a few checks to be writing. we will explain coming next. i'm a bunch of wind. and just like your stomach after that strip mall sushi, well, i'm a bit unpredictable. let's redecorate. whatsyamatter tanya, i thought you loved being spontaneous? i do. and if you've got the wrong home insurance coverage, i might break the bank too. so get allstate, and be better protected from mayhem, like me.

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we spoke up and it made all the difference. ask your parkinson's specialist about nuplazid. david: is anyone is worried about robots taking over. in japan a hotel just fired its robots and replaced them with humans. >> they will have the upper hand until the robots unionize. technology is supposed to help humans do their jobs better, not take over their jobs. on the customer service side, this is a place where humans, even if they are not always the

best, they are better than robots. how many times have you been on the phone with a bot and start cursing at it. the robots are not coming for your jobs, they are there to make you're lives easier. >> i agree. for the personal touch. knowing it's your anniversary and ways your favorite tourist spots. the "60 minutes" piece saying they will take over 40-60% of jobs in the future. >> in the service sector i think technology enhanced services, but i think human touch is what makes a difference. >> i think the only person out there who is safe right now is

david asman. the rest of us are toast. they are going to take over self-driving cars and you millions of jobs. people said the same thing about the cotton gin. it's another area of technology that will benefit mankind. >> it's the same thing that killed the robots in japan. they didn't have the ability to react-interact with human being. human beings can be very smart but unpredictable. it's that unpredictability that you need human instincts. >> i have a drone company called measure. we do some stuff with bots. we are not going to be the jet sons overnight. there is still a pilot that uses

a switch. they are still on a wi-fi frequency and they are on a mini plane that's riding and it's dangerous if you don't have it right. david: you don't think self-driving cars will make it. >> they will but not at the pace people are talking about. >> the best skill you have have in the few tires adaptability and flexibility. your skills potentially can be transferable. if you have somebody who this your family who is younger, tell them to learn how to adapt and be flexible because that's what employers will value in the future. >> i don't want some dude showing up. bring me a robot, i'm fine with

that. david: sometimes robots are better. thank you for watching. that does it for "bulls and bears." we'll see you back here next time. take care. >> the proposal, democrats would have to prioritize political combat with the president over federal workers. >> this must stop, the government shutdown must end. >> let's hope the president will stop holding the federal employees hostage. >> is that a price the democrats want to pay to prolong this episode that they say they want to be over and done with. >> the american people know president trump is responsible for the shutdown. >> is there a plan to