>> can you take me for a ride? i'll bring the champagne. that does it for "bulls and bears." thank you for joining us and thank you to the panel. have a great night. president trump: the state of the union speech has been canceled by nancy pelosi because she doesn't want to hear the truth. she doesn't want the american public to hear what's going on. >> there are serious and justified concerns that he'll shutdown the government any time he doesn't get his way. president trump: she is afraid of the truth, the american people have to hear the truth. we were planning on doing a very important speech. nancy he localsy doesn't want to hear -- nancy pelosi doesn't want to hear the truth.

liz: this is full-throttle political fighting. there is a thaw in the air. cracks are growing in democratic unity. one freshman congresswoman says quote get in the damn room and negotiate with trump. republicans push trump to get more on immigration. reuters breaking the news democrats are pushing for $5.7 billion for a smart wall as trump's top economic advisor warns we could be seeing no growth because of the shut young -- the shutdown. your federal refund checks may be delayed because the federal worker union is saying to their

workers don't show up for work. they are talking about bringing back and resurrecting the old-time pork barrel wheeling and dealing to get congress to start making bipartisan agreements again. we have brand-new video coming in tonight into our studios showing hundreds of thousands of protesters, yes, hundreds of thousands pouring into the streets of caracas and elsewhere as president trump officially recognizes the opposition leader juan guaido. nicolas maduro officially cut off relations with the united states. back in the united states, the "new york times" opinion writers say high taxes will save our

democracy. they are citing opinions without reality and facts again. welcome to the show. we have a jam-packed hour. "the evening edit" starts right now. [♪] let's get to that fight over the state of the union address. could president trump do the state of the union from the floor of the senate? let's get right to edward lawrence. >> to do it in the senate the president would need to have 60 senators break a filibuster. the house speaker nancy pelosi sent a letter to the president saying she'll not consider the resolution for the president to address the joint session of congress. that means the state of the union address in the house chamber is off at this point. president trump: we'll have a response to nancy pelosi in due

course. but what she is doing to the american people and our constitution is a disgrace. reporter: the house speaker says she is not concerned about the precedent this will set for the future. house majority leader steny hoyer says a wall would work, but stops there. in the senate tomorrow two bills will be considered. one republican plan with $1.5 billion for funding. the second proposal, the democrat plan to open the government through february 8. >> we are hopeful that the senate will vote to open up the government of the united states. i think they will reject the president's plan because the specifics tonight are negative and ought to be subject to further negotiation. reporter: both sides say the

other is taking the federal workers hostage. a majority of americans say they favor -- they oppose the wall. 51% of americans in the new poll show they oppose the wall. 43% are for it. 56% believe the 8 of the union address should go on as usual. only 33% say it should be scrapped all together. there is an option of just submitting it in writing. liz: let's get to an update on how the shutdown is affecting our nation's airports. hillary vaughn has that story. >> more tsa agents are no-shows at work because they can't afford to show up and not get paired. they are missing their second paycheck due to the shutdown.

the tsa says the number of employees absent is up 4%. but the increase in call-outs isn't creating wait times for passengers. most of passengers made it through security in 30 minutes. they say many of their employees aren't showing up for work because they can't afford it. >> they knew when they took this job that they do their job to the best of their ability. the officers who are here are doing that. they are keeping our traffic safe by coming to work and doing their job. reporter: i talked to a tsa air marshal and asked if the decrease in tsa officers is putting passengers at risk. he told me know. he says his bank has been

deferring payments and waiving penalties. he said he's sure that's true for his colleagues as well. liz: admiral carl schultz is posting this video. >> for five-plus weeks of the anxiety and lapse of this government shutdown. you should not need to shoulder this burden. i find it unacceptable that coast guard men and women have to rely on food pantries to get through day to day. liz: they should not be expected to shoulder this burden. >> you are talking about individuals on the front lines of deterring drugs and illegal immigration. these are hundreds of thousands of them forward deployed to the middle east. these are individuals just like any other branch of the

military. liz: who do they blame for the shutdown? >> you blame congressional democrats who refuse to go out and take a look at what's going on with immigration. they have shown they are unwilling to come to the table. liz: they don't blame the president at all? >> i think they recognize the president has to sign any appropriation into law as it goes through the house and senate. but beyond that i think they blame congressional democrats for not coming to the table. so much to the point they don't want to hear the president speak at his inaugural address. that shows how much they are unwilling to even talk about what's going on. >> i want to switch gears because of what's happening at the irs. the national treasury employees union. there are reports coming in they support a call-out.

irs workers not showing up to work. there are fears people won't get their tax refund economics on time and it will hit economic growth. lit push it off into future quarters. what do you make of that? >> this is something that's truthful. you could say it could happen. the most of disruptive part of it is when you see a push by the worker unions to make an effort to do this instead of individuals going out and make those calls themselves. >> are they allowed to do that? can they just not show up? >> in a number of different agencies they call it different things. people wear the blue uniforms and they are more frequently getting sick as a result of this. you find different reasons to say why you are not coming in. i spoke to some of thigh tsa officers down in florida and one

of the things we discussed there is should be some compensation for the fact that this is above and beyond. they have been going to work without pay. they are incurring additional costs because of their lack of pay, and there should be some compensation above and beyond what they are receiving. we talked about that double whammy tonight. the union warning your tax refunds may be late. in spite of all of this, stocks are ripping higher today. why? a lot of companies reporting good earnings. >> it's a volatile play in the markets. we hear from tesla they are curbing production of their

model s and 6 vehicles and they are cutting their workforce. ford missing earnings estimates of 32 cents a share. revenues were far higher. missing on both the top and bottom line. liz, back to you. liz: it's way above where we hit on that low. so we are watching the dow for you. the shutdown not taking effect just yet. coming up. ,000 of millionaires and upper bracket individuals fleeing new jersey and other high-tax states. first, nancy pelosi feeling the pressure. more and more centrist democrats

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caracas, venezuela. hundreds of thousands of people protesting the socialist dictator nicolas maduro. we are also seeing footage of people literally walk from the am donian rain forest, we are talk tribal leaders, walking to join the protest. the entire interview with vice president mike pence by trish regan will air tonight on trish regan's show. our list is growing. more centrist democrats urging nancy pelosi to negotiate with the president to stop the shut young and get more money for the border wall. democrat represent river elizabeth slotkin said get in

the damn room and negotiate, nancy. some of these democrats are saying it's their job to fix the shutdown. other democrats are saying give trump the money to fix the wall. put strings on it so he puts the wall where it needs to be. why are we fighting over this? we are going to build the warm anyway, at some time. the deal make on both sides not so state of the art. we have jim clyburn the number 3 democrat in the house saying $3 billion for a technological smart wall. >> you are seeing the democrats realize the longer they keep the government shut down with a refusal to negotiate is eventually going to shift blame on them away from the president.

the moderate democrats and even steny hoyer admit there is a need for a physical barrier on the border. they are saying if you are not making a public attempt to negotiate with the president, you are going to get us in trouble. liz: here is nbc's eleanor cliff. >> the democrats are defending a principle here that you don't negotiate with terrorists when they are holding hostages. the president is holding the government hostage. i think the democrats are on the right policy ground. liz: gianno, your reaction? >> there is no way you can continue the conversation. we talked about individual democrats who say, negotiate, nancy. other democrats, like ben

thompson who says there is nothing wrong with borders. there is nothing wrong with having a wall in areas that make sense. we see in 2006 and 2013 when democrats voted in support of this, there is going to be a continuation of this. there is no way to understand the rhetoric as pushed by nancy pelosi. this is certainly something where the blame is shifted on to the democrats, specifically nancy and chuck. liz: some polls say it's president trump's shutdown. he did say the is my shutdown. he wants border security. how do you think voters see this? >> we saw a poll come out that said 3/4 of the people don't think the wall is worth the government mustdown. the white house honestly has not done a good enough job with

their communications to make sure people are understanding precisely why nancy pelosi is having this fight. she said even if he opens the government he won't get $1 for border funding. lirtfunding. liz: we had republican jim langford say do green card for daca. they are talking about bringing back old-fashioned pork barrel horse trading meaning earmarks and pork. that led to the rise of the tea party. you and amber reported on this. congressional law making and bipartisanship shutdown under president trump when you have the earmarks. it led to no deal making in one of the most of unproductive

congress ever. >> you know what? we know somebody who has been a lobbyist and worked within oath sides of the aisle. even under president obama they got pulled back. they are using pork projects or earmarks to show that members of the direct that they are getting things done for the members in their district. the voters in their district. i believe they would like for earmarks to come back. but the democrats are use the narrative, we don't want the trump administration to direct federal funding. we would prefer to do it ourselves. those on the right who know that we shouldn't be giving away money for congressman projects. >> thank you so much for your insight. let's get teen update on last night's drone incident that

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recognizing juan guaido as venezuela's new president. the situation is extremely fluid. let's get to what's going on with high-tax states. they are losing more and more people. we are talking new york and new jersey. 5,700 high-asset individual pulled stakes and left and went to low-tax states. rebecca, here is the thing. the democrats are saying tax the relationship. the republicans did it by pulling state and local tax deductions. now democrats are saying we are losing our taxpayers from our high-tax states. >> i think this is the perfect way of highlighting that the free market works.

we have a 50-state union and people can choose to move where the tax base is lower. liz: doesn't this show to your point that the market reacts? we hear democrats talking 70% tax rates. people don't way at 70, they end up lowering their incomes by doing tax shelters and not paying it. >> absolutely. there is a difference between tax mitigation and tax scams and tax fraud. we are talking about the legal mitigation of your tax. we are economically responsible people. we'll do what is in our best economic interest, liz. that includes having the residency in nevada, texas, and

florida over new jersey, new york to avoid the blue tax states. liz: i covered the irs and taxes for 20 years. i testified before congress about i.r.s. reform. as a journalist that was a weird position to be put in. when i see the debate in washington again and again about raising taxes. it's always a failed state position that this will fix income inequality it doesn't. it makes the government bigger and the bureaucracy bigger. in the 50s there was a recession every other year. that hits the economy hard, right? >> there is a fallacy that the government has the authority and power to create things through tax policy. the government creates nothing. they are the transearlier of the wealth -- the transferor of the wealth.

they will take what they need to take to protect their wealth. we don't have enough money in the rich to pay for all the government programs we have. liz: when you have a bigger government, you need a bigger tax collector to pay for it. here is another thing going on. this will likely get maxine waters in an uproar. we have no-income, no pay stub, unconventional mortgages. they are making a comeback. you don't have tax forms to prove your income, you can still get a mortgage? is this a good thing or bad thing? i think maxine waters will do something about it. >> we are talking about bank statements being used to verify people's income instead of traditional w-2s.

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president trump. here is a translation of this tweet. on behalf all of venezuela i appreciate your commitment to support the will of the venezuelan people. he says thanks to trump. that's a big deal. what he's saying is trump helped him stand up. and we have the leader of argentina saying we recognize juan guaido. we have video coming into our studios of how big the unrest and protests are in caracas. hundreds of thousands of people taking to the streets to protest the socialist dictator, nicolas maduro. general sales, what else your take on what's happening in venezuela? >> this is unprecedented, liz.

for the first time over the last five or six years since maduro has been in power, you see a true groundswell of support for this new president, juan guaido. what is extraordinary is other nation states surrounding venezuela are jumping on the bandwagon. you mention argentina. you zebra still and -- you zebra zip jumping on board. you zebra still jumping on board. go back over the decades to see where these golden opportunities to do good in a region are allowed to pass. liz: maduro has given the

military of venezuela power over its commodities, control over its oil, gold mines and the diamonds and gemstone mining and more. he's tide in tight with the military. they want to keep him there. how do you get him out? >> great question. let's look at the successful revolts of the militaries in the back. it's often the lower-ranking soldiers are often more squeeze than the general population to be able to feed their families. the focus of an information campaign by the united states and surrounded the countries need to focus on the young soldiers make $8 a month. and build an association with them. that will turn it around. liz: the trump white house is

standing up and saying. listen to what the vice president said. watch. >> today freedom broke out in venezuela. with the recognition of a new interim president in juan guaido. and courageous man who stepped forward. the president of the national assembly who took the oath of office. i couldn't be more proud at president drum's direction the united states became the first country in the world to recognize president guaido and now many on ther nations join us as well. but the real work lies ahead. the united states will continue to bring the full waste our economic and diplomatic pressure until freedom and democracy and fair elections are restored for the people of venezuela. liz: what does that mean the

full weight of our economic power on venezuela. let's show the number. venezuela borrowed $140 billion from china and russia and we have cuba in there and iran in venezuela. this is a serious situation, sir. >> it is. can you imagine if this revolution is allowed to pass and the nation in charge of venezuela becomes cuba and their two biggest allies are russia and china and to include also iran? can you imagine the national security threat to the united states if these conditions are allowed to persist? it's not just economic and diplomatic. it's also information. 25% of the population supports maduro. the only information they get is from state-run media. maybe it's time for the united states and surrounding countries

to intrude on their nation states. liz: i interviewed people in venezuela. the people of venezuela sat back and saw the government coming to their back door and they didn't do anything about it. all of a sudden the entrepreneurial middle class saw their taxation of their income up to 90% by the government. billionaires created in the socialist government including maduro's cronies. they took that money and put it outside of the country in scene offshore regime. socialism is an economy run at the tip of a gun. it's envy and jealousy it's taking other people's wealth for yourself. watch the footage of the watches maduro and his cronies wear. they are warning the u.s. saying cut it out, these democratic socialists, you don't know what

you are talking about. >> another light at the end of the tunnel, it's what's happening at the lower economic levels in venezuela. up to now this revolt is driven generally by the intellectual and upper middle classes revolting against maduro. now what we are seeing is now the scale is being pushed down to the lower economic levels. the poor people in caracas who in the past have always been maduro's back stop. this is where the sea change will begin, liz. liz: trish refans entire interview will air tonight upon her show "trish regan primetime." coming up, a certain governor in a state on the west coast wants to use millions of dollars in taxpayer money to keep people from crossing the border. we'll take on the "new york times" opinion piece. it says if you want to rescue

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liz: tax pros and tax experts are weighing in. the "new york times" ran an opinion piece saying high tax rates will save democracy. the wheels came off this one. forgive me, you may feel like you fell through the looking glass when you right. high tax rates for sky high incomes do not aim at funding medicare for all. they are preventing an oligarchic drift. matt, what do you think? >> i think john f. kennedy if he were alive today, i think he would be his 90s, would look at his party and say what has happened to the democratic

party. liz: this is a "new york times" piece. >> i understand, but i believe -- all i'm saying is i'm saddened this is what aoc and some of these new democrats look like. i think they are socialists. they are not democrats and we ought to call them such. liz: here is why the argument is flawed. nowhere in the opinion piece do you see their argument is based on. they based it on data from tax returns and the census. they don't include the trillions of dollars dolled out in government benefits. 401ks are not reported on tax returns and health insurance is not reported on tax returns. it's not a well-rounded argument. it's like sowing the seeds of

their own irrelevance. you shouldn't listen to people like cortez and others any longer. >> we gave socialism a whirl with 8 years of obama essentially subsidizing healthcare, regulations that were way out of control. and amade america less competitive. you saw poverty go through the roof. socialism hurts the working poor. people who get up and listen to the alarm clock and try their best to get ahead. it actually hurts people at the lower end of the economic scale. liz: is that message getting out there? >> i think it is. i think the american people are getting their first blush at the radical socialists. when they are way to the left of nancy pelosi, i think it's jarring to americans. if we had a center left and

center right party, when they see people talking about being a socialist. a gallup poll came out and said a majority of democrats are so kay with being called socialist. a generation before that it was in the teens. social i am was a slur and a bad word. and it wasn't american. liz: ted kennedy voted for the tax cuts and so did chuck schumer. i covered the irs and taxes for 20 years. i covered it for three magazines and a newspaper, the "wall street journal." i testified before congress on irs reform twice. watching it unfold for 20 years, it pays for bigger government. it doesn't come down to higher wages and more jobs. >> i look at how it affected the

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than this. i mean, there's a bigger issue here, amber. i mean, they could talk about numbers all they want but we've got a lot of problems at the border. in other words, sometimes this debate gets caught in the weeds when there's so many other issues happening with the board are, amber. >> you're exactly right. family crossings have increased greatly over the past few years. so what the president is proposing, which is the most important part of the debate in my opinion, real estate forms te asylum process, requiring them to apply for asylum in their home country and instead of into the united states. that would discourage the families from making the dangerous trek to the border which is the important point here. liz: that's one of the issues. child safety. about people making the dangerous trek. it's illegals crossing, criminal illegals crossing. we know that drug trafficking

comes at different ports of entry, air, lan land and sea. here's what's happening in california. the governor wants to use taxpayer money to help people cross the border. what do you think about that? >> i got to tell you, i live in los angeles, california, and in the state of california itself there is 134,000 homeless people here,

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