news operation. they told us that putin, russia's leader called maduro with a message of support. interfax. they said, putin has called maduro. that is it. thick and fast. neil, it is yours. neil: man, oh, man, busy three hours. thank you, stuart. we're following those developments as well and raising the question, if we don't take our personnel out of there, expressing confidence with the new interim government what if something happens to them? how bad could it get? this is on the brinks of a civil war here. companies are lining up those that support the existing president, china and russia and stuart was saying, ourselves and canadians and potentially most of the countries within the western hemisphere, save mexico are going along with us. mexico's new liberal president is not signing off on condemnation of maduro.

we're watching developments closer to home, including 2:30 p.m. eastern time when the senate takes up two competing bills, one largely republican and one largely democrat. if the republican measures fails, would provide $5.7 billion for the president's so-called wall. they're trying to finesse this as security funding and a lot of things democrats would like, support for daca, workers and the rest. a long way from getting done. if there that would fail, there is truncated shorter measure republicans will try, both likely to fail than the democratic measure comes up. it would get a process of series of votes going. to chad pergram, whether that is progress. what do you think, charred? >> the republican plan and democratic plan both need 60 votes to end debate. the only thing to do things side by side, neil with, the 60 vote threshold this is devil's

bargain. they would get 51 votes to get over the procedural hurdle. but the deal that mitch mcconnell, majority leader and chuck schumer majority leader cooked up to submit 60 votes. you have to have 60 votes to cut off debate. people might wonder if this is the first marker by the senate, there is nothing so far in either republican plans or democratic plans that can reopen the government. you go back and say let's try to have negotiations or something along those lines. these are destined to fail. the other thing going on at the capitol, i came from nancy pelosi's press conference speaker of the house, i asked her when she made the initial request for the state of the union for the january 29th, dud she think the government would still be shut down. she said no, i did not. i had better expectations. we're some days down the road. the government is still closed. not expected to open over the weekend. house and senate are out later this afternoon. this will bleed into next week. government workers will miss

their second set of paychecks. you talk about temporal markers, each time we went through a difficult marker, everybody said this would get more real. everybody said after the first weekend it would get more real. christmas it, didn't get real. new year's, new congress, nancy pelosi being elected speaker. that second paycheck might be what starts to make this more real if that is the case, neil. we'll see. neil: i do wonder though, whether the fact that the administration is making plans to cite spending priorities through march tells me they're prepared for a long road here. >> well, a lot of people, that caught people's attention. omb said are there certain things they could cut off or plan for that aren't necessary, that that got people's attention in washington. maybe that is prudent. you heard me say about other please pieces legislation up here, about brett kavanaugh is being here, it is about the math, it is about the math, its about the math. so far the math between the

democratic house and republican senate and the other part of the math something that could earn the president's signature, that is key. some people are wondering if the dam might ever so slightly starting to break because the president said we'll wait until the government is open, then i will give state of the union and i like to do it in the house chamber. but you know so far, they're going to be out of session until next week. that is why we wonder if all these lawmakers going back home, who do you think they interact with when they go home? tstsa agents, people at airport. they get an earful. they might have relationships with these folks. that could be start of moving things. the other issue coming up, the super bowl. i talked to someone in the know what it takes to the secure ther bowl -- super bowl. he said you have no idea. jim clyburn brought this up and it sent shudders up the spines of democrats, are we actually prepared to have a major

national security event like the super bowl and have it go off without a hitch? that is february 3rd. neil: can you imagine, let's hope it doesn't take a tragedy to get everyone to, get back to what they should be doing. chad, thank you very, very much. >> thank you. neil: republican, democratic senators are telling me a lot hinges on these votes today, even though they might be a predawn conclusion. take a look. democratic measure or republican measure, likely neither to get the 60 votes need. where do we go with this. >> i think what happens the president's proposal gets pretty much all republicans including me. it's a good proposal. the president put forward a plan with not only new barriers along the border that he wants, it has many priorities that the democrats want in terms of border security and it has expansion of daca and the pps group, that the democrats have been calling for. neil: right. >> it really is an olive branch. it is an opportunity for us to

find common ground. >> if a group of us senators say in both parties tomorrow, we're willing to look at additional border security, open up in couple weeks, get this finished if we can't get it all done, shame on us. neil: republican, democrat, where this stands. in this extended in between and interviews on our website here, you get idea the two sides as i often said are a lot closer than you think. i want to go to "axios" reporter kaitlin owens. thanks for stopping by. >> thanks for having me. neil: one thing i didn't notice in the democratic proposal it does provide a little more than $5 billion in border security, not a wall. by that they call no structures. the president's proposal doesn't say wall per se as much as it says structural changes additions along the border. semantically, are they trying to hedge a little bit, both side?

>> i think they're inching together. you know, you're seeing some house democrats especially talking about a smart wall. they're talking about enhancing technology, essentially. they are talking about ways to secure the border without actual physical structure there. republicans especially president trump are dead set getting a physical barrier in place. at least there is some movement in terms of funding for border security. i think that there is still a lot of stuff to be hashed out in terms of what border security is. neil: i hear you. kaitlin, something that interested me, president shelving state of the union speech till after the government is open. >> right. neil: now he could have attempted to do it while the government is still closed in another venue but obviously did not. so what did you make of that? >> i think a lot of people were surprised by that. he kind of, this is one of the first times, at least one of the first times easily comes to mind to me that the president has backed down. he kind of said, okay, will get

her way on this one. i will not give the state of the union until after the government reopens. chad was touching on this a little bit. that is fine. that this government shutdown is nearing an end or there is a little bit of detente on the horizon? maybe. we'll see. neil: hard to make it out. kaitlin, thank you very, very much. real quick peek at the corner of wall and broad. stocks are down, this has much more to do, tentative as those numbers are at very moment, concerns about the china deal or what they hope will be resumed china talks next week when top ministers come to town to kibbutz with the white house. wilbur ross, commerce secretary of the united states, and i quote, we're miles and miles from a trade deal in china. that is generally not encouraging. to paul deet trib. paul -- dietrich. what did you make of that? >> we have to make a distinction

here. i talked to one of our trade representatives on monday, he is somewhat optimistic in that china has in principle agreed to many of the united states' major demands, however the real work, the detailed work, and i think the work wilbur ross is talking about is writing into the law so that china cannot get away with not enforcing it or ignoring it once it has been passed and that has happened in the past. but this is really tough, detailed work. robert lighthizer, our chief negotiator, he is intent on making sure that china actually implements and enforces this trade agreement, something they haven't always done in the past? neil: i mean, the biggest bugaboo is exactly on this patent infringement and spying, stealing technology for wont of a better term.

chinese said this shouldn't be part of the discussions anyway and they don't do it anyway and they blatantly bald-faced lie. so how do you get past that? >> in fairness the last week or two, the chinese are stating how can we negotiate on this, because we don't force transfer of technology and we don't steal technology? neil: but they do demand companies that come into china to essentially open up their books and technologies if you want to do business here. >> and part of it is done through their patent process. neil: exactly. >> they force, they force patent information that we would never do in the united states. then they hand it to our competitors. but one of the things is, they have agreed to change their patent laws. they have agreed to make, what we were talking about as forced transfers of technology and joint partnerships but how do you get it enforced. neil: i don't believe it. this is noise that might be

ancillary to these discussions but if i'm one of the american negotiators i get word today, we will pursue this later on in the show, that microsoft's bing search engine disappeared in china that is the kind of thing rattles free worlders, if you will, people that say open up your markets, be exposed this sort of stuff, when they do it in the middle of these talks, shows me they are blind to the double standard or the fact they're hypocritical or being ballsy about it? >> i agree with you 100% but let me tell you robert lighthizer is doing this for a long, long time. neil: indeed. >> he knows every trick they played over the last two decades and he is absolutely intent not only making sure these laws are enforced but there is quick and swift retaliation, not going through the world trade organization for 10 years in appeals but swift retaliation in terms of tariffs or other things

that would come about and that is the heart of what is being literally negotiated in very tense negotiating sessions right now. neil: fingers crossed as they say, paul, thank you very much, my friend. we were mentioning microsoft, what does the former head of company, founder of that company, think of these latest talks with china and maria bartiromo had interview with bill gates and had some interesting revelations, after this. i switched to liberty mutual because they let me customize my insurance, and as a fitness junkie, i customize everything. like my bike and my calves. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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>> talking about a trade war, something more serious than a trade war? >> you can have a situation where the rhetoric against each other kind of escalates and willingness to understand the other country gets tougher. people get entrenched and you get a very zero sum mentality where a lot of things we do together, whether climate change, grow the economy, drive innovation, those are positive some type of things that we should do more of. neil: all right. that was bill gates. the person questioning him, that wasn't maria bartiromo. what happened to her? no, that was my friend, gerry baker, "wall street journal" at large host. i apologize in advance for

screwing that up. >> way better looking but than me. neil: let me ask you what you make of what gates was telling you here? there is a lot on the brink here. what was your sense? >> quite a bit of deciphering, most people agree, if they don't like the tariff war, president trump's tariffs, most people would agree that china has misbehaved. china has cheated by the rules of world trade in the last 20 years. whether it is intellectual property rights or technology transfer, china needs to be brought to book. what bill gates is saying, i'm not quite so sure about that, we have much bigger issues in his mind. things like climate change. insuring we meet some of the challenges he is particularly focused on dealing with world poverty. look, we need to be careful here we don't get into all-out economic war with china because we need their cooperation on doing some of the things that we

need to do. neil: i just wonder now, because we have these on going china talks, wilbur ross saying they're apparently miles and miles apart. so that would indicate to me, commerce secretary is saying something like that, maybe talks are miles away. what do you make of that? >> it is very, the mood here at davos, the davos is the place that people who like to think they run the world and come con great each other, congratulate each other and how well they're running the world an they pick up a consensus. most people think a deal will be done. march the 1st will be a deadline. talks are scheduled over the next month or so, people think for both sides the u.s. doesn't want trade war. the economy is a little bit uncertain. china certainly doesn't want a trade war. wants to be able to avoid that. there is a lot of optimism people were talking, they will probably do a deal. there is longer-term pessimism about the relationship.

they think a deal will be done to avoid the tariffs. what wilbur ross is doing, what some members of the administration are doing, tamping down a little bit of the expectations because if those expectations are rising and markets are rising as you know for the last month in part because people do think a deal will be done, for whatever reason the deal isn't done, the shock will be really nasty and damage to markets and economy could be really quite severe. so they're trying to manage expectations there. neil: gerry, this is just now kind of development, that chinese mess tear russly took microsoft's bing, the search engine out of service, it just disappeared. i wonder with that type of noise gives us pause when constructing any deal with the chinese and they would know that? >> yeah. it does. and you're right. it is not just that. look what they're doing with these canadian executives now. that is part of the fight over, over the u.s. in china over some

technology concerns and technology tomorrows of spying. these being aggressive. move on bing is aggressive. so they are playing a classic negotiating tactic, right? which is, look we want to do a deal but we're not going to be pushed around by you. we'll start doing some things actually we choose, if we choose to do them you will have to fall in line. so i think, again the expectations are still reasonably high that a deal of some sort will be done but these are timely reminders and helpful reminders that nothing is certain. again this longer-term fight with china especially over technology, especially over things to do with artificial intelligence and all of these modern sectors that will really determine the way the world economy works, this is a long-term struggle we're in with them, not going away whatever happens to the tariffs. neil: i look forward to the full interview. "wall street journal" at large with gerry baker, still reporting from davos. thank you my friend, very much.

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>> i couldn't be more proud of president trump's direction of united states of america, is the first country in the world to recognize, president guido, and now many other nations join us as well. but the real work lies ahead. and the united states is going to continue to bring the full weight of our economic and diplomatic pressure until freedom and free domed, democracy, fair elections are restored for the people of venezuela. >> we put a high priority of

both safety of official americans in venz ven and private citizens as well. we have told the maduro clique very clearly yesterday if they do anything to endanger americans we will hold them directly responsible. neil: we say, we're for this new, young, interim president who is urging national elections to get rid of the socialist dictator he says in power, president nicolas maduro. russia, china, cuba are now backing maduro. guido is backing united states and canada and mess member nations say for mexico. manuel lopez obrador would not sign on that. barring that there is a clear divide in the world here who should be running that country. what is interesting here, we already heard the established president, a president we don't recognize, saying we don't

recognize you ire, united states. get your personal out of here. we refuse to do that. is this a powderkeg? to the heritage foundation on all of that, what do you think, hand hannah, we recommend they stay, don't go anywhere because we don't recognize what president maduro is saying and threatening? >> i think it is incredibly wise and justified move to have done just the opposite. to have recognized what maduro is saying to recognize him as legitimate leader and frankly maduro would have to be absolutely suicidal to even harm a hair on the head of a u.s. diplomat's head. we see how the trump administration responded to diplomatic attacks in cuba. how he drew down embassies, responded to the cuban government. look at venezuela and how the trump administration is responding last two years.

maduro would have to be suicidal. neil: i heard of particularly suicidal leaders, khomeni in iran, gave a blessing to capture of 400 plus largely american hostages at the time. we thought it was outlandish. thought it would be quickly resolved. it took a year-and-a-half. what are we looking at here? how bad is this going to get? >> i hear you, but one thing we have to recognize the size, the scale and the widespread demonstrations? venezuela are absolutely unprecedented. neil: right. >> the domestic pressure that is something you've never seen in the 20 years of the socialists governing the country. you also have not seen amount of international pressure on countries no longer not recognizing maduro. that is a list of over 50 countries. now you have 15 countries in the western hemisphere and europe and as well as albania and kosovo nod recognize, and

recognizing president guaido. that is incredibly significant. there is momentum here. maduro made himself an international pariah, doing anything, not only would that be suicidal against the united states, but it would be suicidal against much of the democratic world. neil: what is weird to me, how the country with riches that it did, with oil and some natural resources squandered it all. people go back to hugo chavez and a socialist economy that blew through every last dollar, peso that it had, but what i can't understand is, how it went further south still and how it continues to? in a desperate economy like that where inflation is running, 10 million%, whatever they're reporting that a guy like that isn't just going to voluntarily give up power. he will try to tighten it. >> i can give you a 20-second explanation. the government over the last three years is desperate to survive. what maduro did, he gave the national oil industry over to the army.

it is a patronage system, a slush fund for the upper echelons of the army to continue their elicit activities, for them to essentially have the loyalty of maduro. that is only at the upper level. the rest of the army, they're starving and there is, you know, facing the sail pressures that other venezuelans are. the venezuela government, it is not just a government, right? we talk about socialist economic policies but we're not talking about the fact that it is a criminal "narco" dictatorship. the vice president, his stepsons are sitting inside after u.s. prison right now for attempting to sell drugs to undercover dea agents. former vice president of venezuela, rather, is a designated drug trafficking kingpin for working with the violent mexican drug cartel. i mean the corruption runs rampant there. neil: people are tiring of it. >> exactly. neil: anna, thank you very much. very good getting a read from you on this. both presidents are claiming they have the right to be the president, and the country is

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neil: senate gop policy lunch is starting. president is not at this one. apparently most if not all of the republican senators are, 53 of them. this on same day two proposals are being voted on the floor of

the senate, a democratic measure, a republican measure. each of which will have tough time getting votes from the other side so where do we go to end this if we end this? edward lawrence on capitol hill with the very latest. reporter: neil, those votes starting two hours or so. neither is expected to get the to the 60 vote threshold they need to move forward. lawmakers hope this will get folks to sit down, move the debate along. trying to work out something for the future. adding that the democratic side, nancy pelosi basically uninvited the president coming here for the state of the union address. she says she will not support the concurrent resolution for the president to give that address. last night the president tweeting that it is fine. he will wait, because he wants to have it in the historic house chambers. nancy pelosi gets to control who speaks there. house speaker nancy pelosi said she thought this would be all over for now. >> no, i did not, especially we were giving them back exactly what they gave us.

i guess i had better hopes for the concern that the republicans in the senate might have for the concerns of working people in our country. reporter: in about two hours, again that vote will start, republican measure comes up first. basically what the president wants. reopens the government, $5.7 billion for government or for a border wall as well as border security. also, extension for daca recipients, those receiving temporary protected status. after that a second vote, the democratic side basically will get reopening the government without border funding wall, reopen the government until february 8th. republicans say this vote shows just how political this has become. >> one of the dilemmas we've been facing with negotiations is that the senate has a 60 vote requirement. the senate had 60-vote requirement when y'all were in majority. the senate democrats and house democrats have refused to

negotiate with the president. reporter: so far senator cory gardner, senator susan collins and senator lisa murkowski, senator joe machine chain said they will both for vote measures. they are watching lamar alexander and chris coons to see how they vote on this the president is encouraging them not to cave. back to you, neil. neil: thank you very, very much. meantime a fox poll shows majority of americans are blaming the president now for the shutdown but a poll also shows that majority of the think the state of the union should happen regardless. the president is putting it off until after the shutdown. washington examiner's phil wegman. what do you make of this, phil? >> democrats have the upper hand when it comes to the tactical perspective and strategic perspective. nancy pelosi and rest of country wants to get the state of the

union but she is getting what she wants. president is not giving the speech. he had to back down. she has been able to unite her own caucus. at the same time, president trump, showing ap poll shows the popularity slipped to the lowest ebb in the presidency. the fox poll showing 51% of the country blames him for the shutdown, and yet no wall. neil: what interested me, phil, when the president pushing off this speech is that he didn't look at an option away from the capitol. all right, i will wait until after the shutdown, judging from what a lot of people are saying, including omb director, making plans for prioritizing spending levels going into march, this could be a while. >> they were not bluffing when they said it was a shutdown that could last weeks or months, i won't say years at this point because that certainly seems too impossible. what we're seeing right now is that president trump, either his bluff got called on state of the

union or got bored. he doesn't want to be the president who will split with tradition to give this somewhere else. what is interesting, i think what is lost in a lot of this drama is president trump repeatedly kind of come towards the center. he offered protections for daca and hinted something more permanent in the future. meanwhile nancy pelosi has not budged a inch, she said she will continues to say she is not interested in funding for border wall. she will not talk about broader border security until 25% of the government reopens and- >> democrats are pushing coming up for a vote talks about providing five million plus for border security without identifying a structure. >> right. neil: these are some of the same democrats who supported a wall or funding for it when barack obama was president, when the early months of tum trump as president, this is the same president, democrats are criticizing for going back to an

old view he had on daca kids, now he is open to lifting some restrictions on them that he had been opposed to before, but as i can tell, i have no horse in this race both sides technically changed their position as little bit and gone back to harder positions that don't merit their past. >> certainly surprising what, you know, a few years difference can make. you see both sides moving backwards and forwards originally their stated positions here. neil: right. >> i think the two senate votes will be incredibly important. i think at this point it gets to a moment where we realize that there isn't a legislative fix with the two parties are now, something has to be done. or this is something that could stretch into march. neil: thank you, my friend. neil: mitch mcconnell called senators to chamber, asking

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neil: it gets curiouser and curiouser, we found out vice president pence is on his

way to capitol hill right now. what that could possibly have to do with mitch mcconnell urging the sergeant-at-arms make a read of everyone who is there, note everyone who is absent. wants to gather them around for presumably something. the gop conference luncheon was disrupted for that. we're hearing from the southwest airlines ceo said the shutdown could harm the economy and air travel. sickout affected better than one out of 10 tsa workers, air traffic controlledders we're told. is he hinting this impact air safety? we'll keep you posted on latest developments. meantime carlos ghosn resigns from nissan. is this a surprise or is it setting the stage for something else, michelle? >> oh, i don't think it's a surprise. carlos ghosn wants to get out of

jail. neil: good goal, yeah. >> yeah. it has been a long stretch since november. so i think, i think we pretty much expected that this would be the case and there has been a new head of the organization appointed. so, i think, what the company need to do is, get things in order. there is a lot of questions about will the alliance hold together, between renault and nissan and mitsubishi? they need to get started whatever is going to happen with that and move forward. neil: do you think he has been treated fairly? i mean the idea of holding someone in jail for an extended period of time, you know, without even formal charges, maybe it is just the way things work in japan, for example, but what do you think of the whole drama around it? >> there was a lot of drama around it and it came as quite a surprise. that's the way the japan legal system works.

neil: i guess. >> so, you know, going to have your opinion about that. there had been unrest brewing for quite some time. animosity towards mr. ghosen and alliance set up in a way that nissan hadn't felt it was fair to it. so this has been brewing for probably about a year. it finally came to a head in very ugly way. it is not good for anybody. it is not good for the industry. neil: how quickly some of the greats fall. >> that's right. neil: michelle, thank you very much. i appreciate it. just updates on ongoing shut down, back and forth, vice president pence is heading up to the capitol. the republicans were planning a conference lunch today that was interrupted by announcement by mitch mcconnell, to gather all together, give sergeant-at-arms a head as up who is there, who isn't presumably. a lot of people are saying the ahead of this vote that will come up on the republican measure and separate democratic

measure, to deal with the shutdown and stop it, now in the 34th day. that is a leap to put it mildly in the senate. you need 60 votes one way or the other. both measures are well shy of that. i do want to first, i want to talk about other things with charlie gasparino but i want to get his read on the shutdown back and forth and what do you make of all these crosscurrents? >> you know, listen there is obviously pressure on the president growing to end it. general kelly came out recently, signed an open letter. when you have people in the administration like yesterday saying you should end this thing because they need dhs, department of homeland security being funded, that is pressure. neil: what do you make of him putting off the speech until after the government shutdown is over? >> it sounds like to me they're going to do something this week. sounds like they have some movement, that i think he knows that he can, this is the, this is not -- listen, i agree with him a lot on the shutdown. i think we need border security. i mean i think the last thing

the democrats want to do is stem the flow of illegal immigration because people come to this country and then their kids get nationalized they look at it as voters. neil: this democratic measure, that is being voted on today, it does include more than five billion dollars for border security but not a wall. >> yeah, i mean, listen, i don't know understand. this is something you should ask chad pergram, i don't understand why you couldn't use that to build a fence? what prevents us building some barrier with the $5 billion. i don't get it. maybe not additional five billion, i don't know. there is something in there i don't get -- neil: all the stakes higher now? the latest polls show it is hurting the president more than democrats. >> it always does. doesn't always. it hurt republicans it dish. neil: if each side is continuesed doing the right thing for their core base that makes it tougher to score a core deal period. >> they both have intransigent.

my old high school classmate controls out of dialogue. neil: you don't want -- >> she doesn't want to support anything that would make one less immigrant come to this country. the far right, doesn't want to let the dreamers in. or draconian in their own -- really interesting how the, sort of this, all these centrists, semicentrist politicians in the middle center right, center left, are being manipulated by the sort of gross, the gross extremes but that is what is going on. but i do want to get to -- neil: tesla. >> just make a couple points here. they're reporting earnings next week. it will be a huge event on wall street because of two things. very troubled company. problem with cash needs. what we understand is people inside tesla tell us that elon musk, the ceo, will address two major issues. he will address, likely to address, who knows, maybe he decides no the to and talks about spaceships and pot, but

two major issues. one is a massive bond payment that's due in march. they will owe something like $920 million in cash if the stock does not go up to 360. if you look at the stock chart right now, well bee 360. he will address that. and address what a lot of investors say he needs to raise capital. people inside, say they have enough cash on hand to make the bond payment. if that is the case, i'm somewhat dubious, investors are dubious. neil: the layoffs announced, part of it? >> that is how they're paying for it. i think he is reluctant to dilute shareholders by doing more cash. he will have to pay up for bonds. so i think he, he is looking to get by the best he can with whatever cash. they claim they are cash flow positive. listen, i'm telling what you they are saying. that is the signals we're getting from inside the company. he may have a different tune

when he goes to analysts. that is what they're saying right of now. i can tell you investors are very dubious. this is a troubled company. numbers, according to a lot of investors i talk to, don't add up, i don't want to lump different technologies and apple laying off driverless car division 200 people, any links there? >> good point, because they're involved in that -- neil: we got ahead of ourselves. >> that a.i. space. yes are. people are thinking this is the new thing. neil: when you're in the limo you realize there is no driver in the limo would charlie gasparino be worried? >> probably a bitter driver than me. i'm kidding. one thing to make a point. neil: sure. >> the problems that tesla faces is a little different. neil: absolutely. >> the demand for their cars, model 3 and other cars, it is whether, you know, the numbers

are adding up they used to have tons of benefits from states based on -- neil: they go away this summer. they go away this summer. whether people really want to spend a lot of money on a electric car and whether electric cars are cost effective for the average person. the model 3 he wants to sell for $35,000. you apparently lose money at that rate. it is hard to sell it at level, someone like me, rich guys like neil cavuto can spend millions on cars. it doesn't matter. but a man of people like me -- neil: we only go to restaurants with castles on the menu. let me ask you, they're beautiful cars -- >> right. really brilliant -- neil: as are you. what i wonder about this is the range you get on one charge? i know it was -- >> getting better. getting better. neil: over 200 miles. that is great and all but it is murky after that, where you go when your charge is getting low. >> what is so great about the car? i think it is, if you, if you

strip it down, what makes this thing great is the battery, is a battery worth -- neil: they're beautiful cars. >> but you can replicate it. neil: did you ever like "jonny quest" the cartoon? >> see this chair, you can replicate it. it's a great invention, but you can replicate it. neil: there are a lot of electric cars. >> neil, what makes this different is the battery. the question is the battery worth, what is it trading now, $290 a share? neil: i have no stock in it, no vested interest, i think you're minimizing what he did to add style to this. sort of like saying to steve jobs when he came up -- >> no, that was -- neil: with all of music devices. we had existed music device. >> that is different. he made it easy to download and use it. neil: not a renaissance man like me. >> yes of course. you were born in the renaissance [laughter] neil: exactly. charlie gasparino, making his final appearance on fbn.

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while funding. one would guarantee funding for border security without a wall. expected to get 60 votes. developments including mitch mcconnell calling on senators. let's all gather in the chamber to discuss with our strategy is. former chief of staff mike lee. thanks for taking the time. >> thank you. >> do you know anything from your old colleagues of what's going on now with the mcconnell powwow? it's very interesting he is convening with a roll call and the vice president is heading there to take the chair. to me that indicate something is clearly afoot. the magnet everyone has to recognize as part of this is the fact that mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer have been doing the deal since back in december and they've really lock down the chamber to not do any real work and then earlier this week, while no one else no one else was there by unanimous consent

they teed up these two votes and in doing so they lock out all of their colleagues. the other 98 senators couldn't offer her plans or ideas. we often talk about the conflict in washington be the problem. this one smells like collusion to me and i think we've got to watch up close. neil: how do you think democrats are handling this right now? >> the blue dot democrats sent a letter to houston and it republican and democratic leadership just last night, which is the president holding hostage right now and this isn't something he should be a strategy for going forward. let's have our leadership on both sides, both chambers come together and work something out. at least that's a strategy, a way forward in a way out of all this mess. trades are wednesday conservative, but more moderate

democrat. the world to speak with the passion of the party. what do you make of that? >> i mean, they hold their vote. so i would just point to the rules package in the house. they quietly went to leadership is that if you don't include pay-as-you-go rules like ocasio-cortez did not want to include in the rules we will not focus the rules package. it was included. they're not yelling about it like she is about this or that, but they hold their vote and go to leadership and be new players on all this. >> the president has overplayed this. attach attaching is to keep the government open if it was the wrong else until died on for future presidents. what is your sense? >> the important message here is the only reason we are in the

shutdown is because congress has not done it job. if congress did pass the budget into the appropriations bill, there is never a threat. national security and the border in the wall in the future and even if speaker pelosi package passes, that buys us 21 days until we are back in shutdown mode. if they want to make a statement, kristin is right the blue dog democrats have but the system already. they were told to stay in line and not freelance. i think what they are to vote on itself in the government for 27 minutes with enough funding to pay the federal workers and get that going and then back to the table and have a real negotiation process. i agree with you the president has overplayed it a little bit and in doing so he's lost the message. the things that are in his proposal are that both sides have agreed on in the past. it's how you position and how you message it.

democrats are winning the messaging right now and that's a big problem for the white house. neil: christin, get a little anxious when i look at the collateral damage effect beyond the 800,000 plus federal workers involved in contractors and all. when i hear the southwest airlines ceo worried about safety issues because of the shutdown and i'm reminded of one of the tsa agents in air traffic controllers are showing up. i hope i'm wrong on this and i don't mean to use sensationalism, but would it take a tragedy, an tragedy, and alarming event to get these guys to do something. >> i mean, hopefully not appear to share your concern, though. we are seeing the real facts about what the real effects of tabbing on our safety. not just airports across the country. in order to get something done, it's interesting i'm hearing from members, from stats in the house and senate that members of

both parties including leadership on both sides of the aisle don't want to give them to the stack that because they're so worried down the line when the president uses this i'm going to shut down the government until you raise the deadline. that would be detrimental to the country. neil: that's another can of worms here. by the way, you i hear republicans and democrats say whatever this president is doing with the border or not, the other side would be doing the same thing if they were in power. this kind of nonsense has got to stop because we shouldn't hold up government for any reason. your sense of where that's going. >> that goes back to congress doing their job. train to you just went through that process. >> yeah, that's right. i know there's a lot of debate going on with the battle between speaker pelosi and the president in the state of the union. we should remember it the state

of the union that matters. it's not the state of the government that matters. state of the union is strong because the principles that unite us as a country and our elected leaders are called to him in the government. they're not called to in the country. business leaders, entrepreneurs and hard-working americans that make this thing go. we can still have confidence in the state of the union and not so much the state of the government. our politics has failed that the country won't miss because of the people. neil: a good cerebral analysis of what's going on here without any theatrics. it is possible. so thank you very, very much. the dow down about 92 points. more to do with china i should say that anything on the shutdown and wilbur ross, people still chewing on his word. excuse me. the commerce secretary say we are miles and miles away from

the trade deal with china. that's not good. they were thinking something is imminent. john gordon on all this. what did you make of that? >> i think the government shutdown is basically trivial compared to the enormous size of the american economy as a whole. 800,000 people attend furloughed and it's a big deal for them to be sure. the total numbers well over 100 million. it's not affecting the stock market which has basically bigger fish to fry. neil: i agree with you i'm not. as you just pointed out we are putting into perspective. here is what is interesting and we talked about before this idea that is spread and leads to other things and it shows sort of like the silliness of how washington is run and however he deems agents he looks at this

and says we are looking at possibly downgrading you. what do you make of that part but it just sort of makes us look like fools to the world. >> well, this is the 20th time the federal government has shut down because congress has been unable to do its job of passing a budget, which is just a national disgrace. the trouble is there something fundamentally wrong with congress ever since they passed the budget control act, the most misnamed back in american history. it's out of control because congress seize control of the budget and a 535 people who want to bring home the bacon and therefore nobody like the president-elect to by everybody. unless we reform the budget process this will go on and on and it's going to get worse and worse. neil: i worry about those with the aaa rating because we have some rain in our hip pocket others don't.

we can curb our money and can curb her money as if that's a saving grace. that is what i hear those worried about whether we lose the aaa status. no because we have that. when you make of that? >> the united states is still so vastly richer country and i don't think were about to lose the aaa rating. neil: what if we did? >> when you're downgraded the cost of borrowing goes out. a $21 trillion of borrowed so far and that is getting up and getting close to dangerous territory. i don't think we are there yet. 129% of gdp in 1946. after 1946 we stop spending more than we took in and therefore the growth of the economy greatly lowered the size of the debt relative to the gdp. but now we are just putting

everything on the cost because nobody in congress can say no. neil: we are equal in our gdp. in other words, what we go into debt with his other than her output. is it your sense right now that the things winning out and keeping the market together is that the fundamental is pretty good. they view all the problems going on here. we're like the tallest in the world compared to what's happening in england, germany, what's going on in china and the fact that the earnings are coming and thus far. the 15% of companies that have come under substantially better than did in the guidance by a march is the wind at the back. would you think? i entirely agree. today came out with the lowest filing for unemployment in nine years. neil: how long do you see that continuing? >> i don't eat any end in sight

yet. the fundamentals of the american economy right now are simply terrific. we can afford nonsense in washington because the rest of the country is producing wealth. neil: obviously there's a new party in power in houston are talking about raising tax rates with individuals. the house budget committee was fairly level and wants to raise taxes for corporations and 21% to 28%. others have talked about raising rates on the very rich. via march that's the message out of the house. i don't think it goes anywhere given the republican senate. but it could set the stage for 2020. i'd be curious what you think of all that. >> we have substantially cut corporate and personal income taxes five times since the

income tax begun in 1913. every time we did it, the economy grew much faster than anaheim than most two or three years. the republicans and john kennedy's. these people are just ideology is blaming them to reality. >> i know you kind of minimize the math on the shut down and people agree with you. it's such a small number in the scheme of things to put it mildly for a lot of folks. but if this were to drag on another month or two or three and we get this report out of the white house that they're making contingency plans for march or april, then what? >> at some point the people are going to get so angry they're going to start demanding, and

just jam the congressional switchboard. as soon as the members of congress began to think my reelection might be in doubt, bingo. problem over. neil: well put. john come i always learn a lot. economic wall street historian extraordinaire. by the way, it's interesting when they follow development on capitol hill. the republican and democratic one. we understand senator lisa murkowski republican would vote for both bills including a democratic one in joe manchin would also vote for both proposals. just select the last year. they are the ones jumping fence to be open for the other party's proposal. you need 60. even assuming the republican where you have 53 republicans all voted yes on a republican measure that would include 5.6

to $527 billion in the president's ball as well as revisiting the sunday situation was still give you 54 of the 60 votes needed by most others hopped the fence. on the democratic side is a little more difficult with 47 democratic votes. you would at best get up to 48 votes. that's assuming the only ones in each party would jump at the other party's proposal, which means we are a long way from done. a little more after this. ♪ ♪ you got a side that wants more space, ♪ ♪ 'cause every day starts like a race. ♪ ♪ you got a side that loves that style, ♪ ♪ but to fit in those shoes gonna take awhile. ♪ ♪ today life's got you runnin'. ♪ ♪ tomorrow big things are comin'. ♪

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>> business, american financial community, invest tears. it is worth taking a look in making sure they understand we've declared maduro illegitimate. we are strongly supporting the new legitimate government. >> nicolas maduro will accept a peaceful transition of power in venezuela. that he will accept the will of the people to move this country forward and embraced their new president. the people as president trump said today, the people of venezuela have suffered enough.

neil: the president isn't getting that message. president nicholas maduro still threatening his action is not the duly elected leader of venezuela, as he claims we recognize them as such. canada recognizes them as such. most western hemisphere leaders recognize them as such. president maduro in cuba with me and i'm not list name to you. this is pretty weird stuff here. keep in mind this was once one of the richest countries in the world. all about oil, all of those natural resource is, all the tourism, the main attraction, all of that is gone. venezuelan native and what happens right now. vanessa, you know this better so i defer to you obviously.

maduro isn't going to go quietly into the night. what do we do? >> well, there were a number of options and a number of scenarios contrary to what the russians like to say it's not actually -- it's not yankee imperialism as they like to blame it. 30 million people being ruled by a drug cartel. we were hoping that the military would change their mind. we know for a fact that various people have said a defense minister stainless income to be on the right side of history here. we spoke to someone we know. because i have relevant expertise on transnational organized crime. they came down today and said no were going to double down and back. they will still try to get more

international cooperation, more recognition to increase the pressure. >> especially not everyone is going along with that. the newly sworn in mexican president is not. what are we to make of that? >> what are we to make of that? you've got a big drug problem in mexico and they run drugs and to mexico. and do the mathematics are not yourself. we would be interested in that. if they don't get on -- if maduro doesn't get on an airplane, there could be a rest words coming out for him. don't forget to set it the largest are trafficking organization in the world. that would be another way this could go. of course unfortunately when you deal with the organized crime, which is basically what the venezuelan government did, they

fracture amongst themselves. there is an expression called blood in, blood out. it's very unpleasant, but that's what happens when your government becomes a gang of thieves. that they have been in without the u.s. getting particularly involved, these are internal bubbling dynamics. train to let say he was able to get what he needed to become the interim president, duly held elections, what have you. that 3 million havarti less venezuela over the years are the elected on a couple million who could and likely will. we're dealing with inflation that's out of control there. how do you make this right? >> again, it's a diplomatic way. we are looking very much for a diplomatic solution. what happened yesterday is very meaningful. what happens now as those

countries recognized by kicking out those ambassadors eventually. not yet, but soon stick them on the plane. given 72 hours to get out of the country. the venezuelan diaspora so big. anyone that has the skill set in education and a decent job overseas has left. so basically you have people all over the world who are highly informed, highly skilled and they cannot become ambassadors inform the frontline to build the cooperation to get the humanitarian aid and the secretary pompeo announced today a $20 million. he made that announcement that he will be working with guaido. once he's already given the aid, humanitarian aid, that will go further to five the legitimacy of maduro and also internationally. this is "the guardian."

eventually down the line what about the bank account. if you're not in legitimate government should you be moving the money? so, does bank account has to be frozen and transferred. they're free and fair elections will have to be run by international organization and european commission. >> were a long way from her saltiness. thank you very much. vanessa newman. in the meantime here, back to this country in the shutdown. mick mulvaney apparently signaling should acting chief of vast this could go into april. april. after this.

neil: all right, nancy pelosi says she's ready to meet with the president in a time phased to face. i don't know if that is the same

sentiment to the united states already put up a state of the union address. until the government shutdown is over, which could be quite some time. blake burman with the latest. >> both sides where they stand with the state of the union address. he is going to cancel the state of the union because he wants to give it in the house chamber at some point in the very near future. earlier today, standing at the very spot in the briefing room, larry kudlow, the president top economic advisers said he wishes the president could have given the state of the union address because the administration feels that have a success story to tell. >> i would love to talk about a regulatory reforms and security reforms and lots of other things that would go. >> nancy pelosi was the one that stopped in its tracks.

she downplayed the whole concept of actually meeting to go but for the country and give the state of the union address. here she was. >> it is so important in the last of the american people in terms of especially those victims of the shutdown, hostages to the president applause line in a campaign speech. some clarity here over the release to the state of the union, but no clarity whatsoever in the stalemate between the white house and folks on capitol hill as to how this all shakes out. we continue to keep our eyes peeled on the senate floor as they set to take out two measures, here in the next couple hours. >> what was the thinking behind can't blame the speech outright and not thinking of an alternative venue till after the shut down. >> we know that the white house

has been preparing a plan. there were pictures from the outside as well to this white house. hey, if this doesn't happen, maybe this is the road you could go. they were hearing options, but clearly president trump as he laid out in the street says i want out of the house. it is a tradition. it is a great venue and so in his thinking the alternate necessarily wasn't equal and so they're going to delay this earliest cancel it for the time being. neil: got it. lieberman at the white house. the president taking a hit on all of this in the new fox news poll. right now a lot of americans are blaming him for disapproval numbers. it's down a little bit. associate editor and columnist amy stoddard. i'd like to pick up on the point the president opted not to do a

speech in a different venue, but to wait until the shutdown is over, which could be some time. >> i think it was a smart move. i really do. no way you can argue with some kind of an emergency. given the situation i don't think there should be any business that usual at ashley winners of our resources to people who are being paid and are really struggling. nancy pelosi should not have gone last week. i'm glad that was canceled on the president doesn't need to give what is basically a political speech in the chamber until the government to reopen. i it's only appropriate. >> mick mulvaney apparently arranging a look at how to prepare for something that could go on quite a bit longer in march and april. where did you make of that? >> i guess they have to prepare because the president continues to tell his staff around him that he is not going to budge. i'm heartened by the fact that

his son-in-law continues to seek a way out and they are meeting with some pro-immigration rights groups today and vice president mike pence is involved in those discussions. i don't know where that's going to go because every time he tries to extend these ideas to dreamers, but it's a conversation. as senator rob portman of ohio will talk about a short-term cr. there were people trying to make up ending the sooner in the best thing for the president politically if you look at the poll numbers and it was that a brand-new polls out yesterday all saying the same thing, but people think opening the government is far more important in larger numbers than keeping the shutdown for the border wall. the best thing for him to do is reopen the government, take something that is not a wall, but is border security that he continued to build on. and give a state of the union

beach where he cleans up this mess and moves forward. >> no matter how this is resolved that there are some lessons that will be learned here. maybe not. i was look at the how full blast and that is we will never do the shutdown again. we will never hold the government. i know, i know, he will not hold the government captive however strongly we feel about them. what do you think? >> i really hope you're right. i'm against shutdowns. members of congress should not be paid in shutdowns. i'm against them and democrats use them. they are really reckless and very destabilizing. imagine what her at her series and terrorist groups around the world are thinking looking at us right now having our security morning from a severe security warnings coming from air traffic control, fbi and department of

homeland security. this is not a joke. neil: what i like in a single interview managed to kick off both sides. >> this is what i do. you should see my e-mail. neil: thank you very, very much. it's going to go on for a while, but hope springs eternal the vice president is now meeting with gop senators on capitol hill so they're trying to cobble something together. later on that might not get votes that could set the direction for some sort of conclusion. again at full blast after this. so all... evening long. ooh, so close. yes, but also all... night through its entirety. come on, all... the time from sunset to sunrise. right. but you can trade... from, from... from darkness to light.

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neil: but speed is coming 15% of its -- planning about 7%. what is going on here in tech media land? let's get to read from deirdre bolton. >> long story short google and

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wrote down four points 6 billion on its media business. as we go into this, the formula that works seems hard to figure out if he was facebook or google. if you're trying to compete at the niche, it does. back to you. neil: we are keeping track of capitol hill right now. vice president pen's meeting with republicans. there's more than 45 minutes to relearn mitch mcconnell wanted a full accounting of everybody in the sergeant at arms to help them out. we do know some key votes on measures that would then they shut down by the democrats, by republican are coming up in the next hour. looking at all of those developments. we will have more after this. could the right voice - the right set of words -

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neil: someone must've told southwest airlines ceo you might want to clarify what you just said about the shut down in your concern about air travel and all that. now southwest say no impact on air safety but the shutdown does go on. meanwhile, microsoft search engine being is disappearing. couldn't find it, couldn't see it. first it was there now is not.

hillary with all the details. reporter: brad smith says this is not the first time it's been kicked offline in china in an exclusive interview with fox business maria bartiromo, they work to keep user access in china while also making sure chinese censorship demands don't cross the line. >> there are issues that arise and sometimes they do issue to our service or some other service being blocked. it is an area where we understand we don't have the same legal freedom but at the same time we stick to our guns. >> the last major platform that's been able to operate in the country. they've survived by negotiating with the chinese government denies that this morning, microsoft is waiting to figure out what triggered the shut down in the first place. it takes moral perch to make

sure their technology is a corrupted in a way that would violate chinese users and that they've rejected deals in the past. >> thank you very much. imagine all this going on and whether we should trust when they brazenly do something like this in the middle of the talks for the deal. when you make of all this? >> i can't think of a subject that's a whole lot more complex mess. my unbelief is trade negotiations particularly with our largest trading partner may tax reform negotiation look like child's play. the modest complexity of factors that go into this in the differences. the raw differences in a highly mature capitalist economy and system like ours and one that is brought in new in the way china just sets the stage for this

enormous goals culturally and legally. and then you play against the backdrop said the two economies in the two leaders and the two depots. i mean, this one is the trump administration's biggest. neil: y if you are china would you risk doing something like this by shutting on the microsoft search engine when this was the kind of thing trying to negotiate those. go after technology and all the rest. it applies to those to shut it down as well. why would they even risk that just on the image level model looks bad. >> it feels to me there is more

substance to negotiation. what used to be nafta. being married to a canadian and have a lot of business interests in canada i can tell you that did not feel -- that all a kabuki theater canada style rather than a highly sensitive trade talk. it is in my opinion so easy for the president to claim that jury in whatever form you want in the white house has to be extraordinarily careful about losing the economy for the economic momentum. the area of clear but read he can claim in his administration. he's walking a tight fire and the chinese are as well. i think all of that is coming in now, theater more than substance. >> we watch it closely.

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president maduro, he's not going. he is not accepting juan guido as the interim president. there is historical precedent. lizzie macdonald from the edit. what do you do? >> that that is a good question. maduro, like other dictatorships, given military control of food and commodities, oil coming out. neil: who has the military generally has the power. >> this could last the same ferocity what happened in brazil, chile, argentina which was years in the making. what do you do? general jack keane made up a good guido is talking about am am -- amnesty for human rights abuses. had an idea like what they did with ferdinand marcos in the

philippines. they put him in hawaii. i'm not sure maduro would feel safe with the u.s. created exit ramp out to say, you know, some, you know, some tropical island. even if you get him out, russia, china, other countries have lent $140 billion into venezuela. you have to still deal, that incoming president, whoever it is will have to deal with russia and china, because they own citgo, pedevesa and lent so much into the country. neil: explain how all this happened? we go back to hugo chavez and the country beyond the normal riches with everything else. with oil they had a curse of them and it all went away. >> it collapsed. the pedevesa output was astonishing it was 3, 3 1/2 million barrels a day now down to 1 1/2. that is minature going on with colossal nightmare of this socialism created. neil: you run out of money with

the maggie thatcher line. >> that is exactly right. so easy to be patriotic with other people es money but then when you run out of it. they tried the coup with chavez, that was put down dramatically. the military started to peel away. okay you can run the gold mines. more military members started to peel away. go into the or noko belt, run the oil operations. he gave them food, diamond, running those operations. so the military controls the economy. that is what is socialism. it is, an economy run at the tip of a gun. neil: the three million venezuelans have left. and looking millions more on the way out. what do you have left? >> it is the poor. the other thing astonishing what china did. china's zte, i know this from sources inside venezuela, they built smart card for the maduro government which tracks

venezuela how much they vote, who they buy, who they are talking to. it is a very scary card. what maduro has done via the smart card, giving food supplies to people who vote for him, if you oppose him you will not get government backed subsidies like food. neil: if you have closest advisors are vladmir putin and xi xinping, there not exactly warm fuzzy guys. they will tell you do exactly what you're doing, double up, don't give and inches especially the americans. >> that is what is allowed to happen, these countries have a foothold. we're hearing the vice president had advertise to hezbollah. that is all talk in venezuela, hezbollah is positioning in venezuela out of iran. and we know the narcotraffickers and cuban military intelligence all throughout venezuela. other thing happening inside venezuela, cuban military intelligence, i know you have to

go, big on taking censuses. they're always going door-to-door, see what you own, who is living there. that is cuban style military intelligence. they're always taking polls and census who is where, living with whom inside of venezuela and who is leaving behind empty apartments and whether the government can seize them because the people left the country. neil: where do you see it going? >> i see it going, only wray it can go more military peel off and go towards guido and towards amnesty. you can't let your own people suffer as has been going on and how long you let that go on. it can't go on anymore. it is like one out of, nine out of 10 are in poverty there. it is astonishing the numbers coming out. neil: it used be a tourism mecca. one of the richest companies on perp cap at that basis. as are you, lizzie of the tonight at 6:00 p.m. she puts

all this in layman's english so you can understand it. she knows a lot of big words. >> no, i don't. neil: writes about saints, and other stuff, questionable saints. that is fine. it works for her. everything works for charles payne. he is up next to look at markets and talks going on. to you, buddy. charles: good thing i use small words, little words. we can work our way up to the 6:00 show. thank you very much, neil i appreciate it. good afternoon, i'm charles payne. this is this is "making money." comments made with respect to wilbur ross and the china trade deal. i was trying to moderating expectations. mr. ross said a deal was miles and miles away. yikes! on other hand corporate earnings have been great. guidance suggests that the negative headlines have yet to alter bod lines or business objectivities. message to investors, listen to