states with an american audience. we'll find out how things are progressing, how soon maduro might be out of his seat and what more he might need from the united states. kennedy begins now. ♪ kennedy: thank you, trish. the 2020 race just got a lot more interesting. the major democrat candidates pulling the party so far to the left it could be a layup for president trump. and now word, thank you, baby jesus, hillary clinton is considering another run for the white house. thank you, hillary. we're going to start tonight with california senator kamala harris who officially tossed her hat into the ring last night and in a speech in her hometown of oakland, california, she laid out a laundry list of progressive promises that simply will not work. sorry, k.h. >> i am running to declare once and for all that health care is a fundamental right -- [cheers and applause] and we will deliver that right with medicare for all!

i am running to declare education is a fundamental right, and we will guarantee that right with universal pre-k and debt-free college. [cheers and applause] kennedy: how are you going to pay for it? never mind that. [laughter] just what we need, more expensive, big government nonsense that we simply cannot afford. but listen to this, 20,000 people showed up to her rally. there's a great deal of enthusiasm there. and not to be outdone, our old pal vermont socialist bernie sanders reportedly set to announce his own bid in the near future because the 1% can't have all of the white hair. he's going to be 79 years young on election day. he is political owed da! owed da! and now to the news we've all been waiting for. hillary clinton is not closing that 2020 door quite yet. despite losing fantastically not

one, but two times maybe she wants to be the buffalo bills of politics. that noise you hear is the collective groan of young democrats begging for new blood, sniffing for new car smell. but this may not, they may not get it this time around. is this all news -- good news, rather, to the president's ears? let's go to tonight's fantastic panel! she's a correspondent for the greg gutfeld show, kat timpf is here along with town hall.com political editor guy benson is back along with democratic strategist and foreman adviser to both the dnc -- [laughter] and hillary clinton's campaign, the last one that is, antwan seawright. welcome, everyone. ann twoin, where would you like to go first, camilla or hillary? >> we can go to kamala. >> for the first time in my

lifetime, context i'm 33, myration will have the chance to vote for an african-american female -- >> and asian-american. of let's not discount half of her -- >> but in context, most see her as a black woman. that's historic all by itself. i also think we're starting to see the diversity of our party in full force, and i'm very excited. i think her rally had more energy and more swag to it than barack obama's historical -- kennedy: well, everyone keeps saying that. >> i don't want to make the comparison. but the -- kennedy: well, that's what everyone's doing today. >> i'm in this business for a living, i don't want to make a comparison. we will have a diverse candidate, the first time record number of african-americans, one latina and who else may get into the race. what a time to be alive. kennedy: i think it's a fantastic time for politicos, for political junkies. this is a great time. because the feel on the democrat

side it's already so incredibly crowded because everyone believes because they hate the president so much that he is entirely beatable, and everyone believes that they are the person to do it. why is kamala harris any different than the rest of the field? >> well, okay. so with kamala, just setting aside her ideas which i think are almost all terrible, i just want to stipulate that -- kennedy: i think the term nonstarter comes to mind. >> i'm a conservative, so she's clearly never going to be my candidate. let me just make my analysis real quick, and we can get back to you. if you just look from an analytical standpoint at her rollout, it's been very impressive. you asked what's the difference between her and the others, no one has been as effective in terms of announcing the way she did, a giant rally with 20,000 people, doing a town hall meeting on another network, i think, she's making a lot of money, small dollar donations. she's making a serious splash. and for the first time, this is

a serious -- kennedy: well, he's also the only one -- she's also the only one, and you can take politics and party out of it, you have to have intuition, and she does, she has the right feel for when to get in the race because everyone who came before her it's kind of like -- and no one is really going to -- not because of her, she just happened to pick, she has good timing but also, yes, you're right, the fundraising -- >> and first impressions matter. a feeling that you get from a candidate right out of the gate matters and can have lasting power. so in that sense, i think she's done very well, very competent rollout. kennedy: i'm going to start in the southeast and button everything else -- >> south carolina. i've been saying on this show -- kennedy: you are the palmetto prince, and you absolutely have. kat, at some point democrats are going to have to turn on each other. i understand they all hate the president, and i have no doubt they will line up behind whoever the candidate is, but at some point they're going to have to attack each other's records, and

i think that's where kamala harris is most vulnerable. >> she's absolutely vulnerable when it comes to her record. coming out and saying she wants to fight for a more just criminal justice system, but her record, not so much. she fought for upholding a lot of convictions that any reasonable person would be concerned were wrongfully wrought. she also did not come out in support of legalizing marijuana -- kennedy: laughed at it! in fact, laughed at it when they were talking about -- >> right. when a reporter asked her about it in the past, she laughed at it, and she just recently said she's for it. she just doesn't have the record of being this progressive prosecutor that she absolutely has pretended to be. kennedy: she's not when it comes to civil liberties -- >> perfect record.but she doesn't have to be all these things that you two lovely ladies -- or. kennedy: yes, when you're an attorney general, you do have to be just and apply the law -- [inaudible conversations] >> what i have said to her personally and what i've said to

the boston globe i think it was the toar day, she needs to defend her record, no doubt, but do not allow it to be a crowning issue because there are going to be jabs at all the candidates. kennedy: a number of democrats reportedly freaking out over the possibility that former starbucks ceo howard schultz might run as an independent. they're reportedly very worried that he would take votes from the democrat candidate, thus handing the president an easy second term. last night on "60 minutes" schultz made his case with a lot of teeth. >> i will run as a centrist independent outside of the two-party system. we're living at a most fragile time. not only the fact that this president is not qualified to be the president, but the fact that both parties are consistently not doing what's necessary on behalf of the american people. kennedy: all right. now some democrats are threatening to boycott starbucks until schultz abandons his plans

to unveil -- they're not going to do it. they're going to open up tomorrow morning. at the same time, billionaire michael bloomberg ruled out running as an independent for fear of dividing the vote in trump's favor, but he did not comment on possibly running as a democrat himself. and billionaire leftist trump-hater tom steyer warning democrats saying, quote: unless you support impeachment, or we're not supporting you. what a mean girl. so should the party be worried about the billionaire boys' club ruining their chances to retake the white house? howard schultz is fascinating, because this is the problem as we've seen with ceos. they run their businesses with complete control. sure, they have to capitulate to the board, but essentially it's their ideas and their vision, and they do whatever it takes to project and follow through on that vision. much harder to do as president of the united states. and howard schultz making the case against the president is actually making the case against himself. >> he would probably say i'm a better ceo than trump was,

that's sort of the message he would make against the president. i think he's an interesting guy. he's been very successful, has a cool personal story. i like a politician who's at least pretending to care about the long-term debt because we don't really have anyone being serious -- kennedy: i agree with him there. >> i don't have agreement with him on any number of issues. i think the reaction has been telling and also massively overblown. we had donald trump and hillary clinton, two of the least popular major party nominees in history, going against each other in 2016, and the outside candidates got, like, 4 or 5%. let's see how this plays out. kennedy: okay, that's what i want to ask you, because i would love to see the field open up. i think there's a duopoly, a stranglehold on our national elections because of the republicans and democrat party. does howard schultz not by virtue of his howardness, but is there something about an independent run funded by a billionaire or -- billion power

in that actually helps third parties? >> i think so. i think people shouldn't be afraid to run just because a they don't fit within the box of democrat or republican. increasing numbers don't fit in that box. a lot of younger people do identify as independent or another political party. and people shouldn't be afraid to run for president, and i also think when you reach a certain level of being rich, you can't really seem to help yourself. i feel like a lot of rich guys are always saying, hey, i want to run for president. kennedy: i want to be the most powerful person in the world. >> it's crazy to have that kind of confidence, because with me, i'm like i can send this text message after i show it to four of my best friends. that's the kind of confidence i have. [laughter] kennedy: well, seek the counsel of the wise and the many, so there you have it. >> yeah. kennedy: but if howard schultz gets in, and he really -- you know, because he's going to have the funding, he's going to have the ground game, he's going to have all the things that hillary was supposedly unbeatable for having, and that just solidifies

a trump win, doesn't it? >> as someone who does this for a living, kennedy, i understand the fierce energy of now within the party, and i've seen what happened with my former client, hillary clinton, in three states, ohio, pennsylvania, michigan, where a third party candidate, i think the, derailed her opportunity -- kennedy: good, i'm glad. i hope we have more third party candidates. third, fourth, fifth -- >> i think it'll be very problematic. but the first -- kennedy: why should it just stay republican and democrat? that is empty. >> why he wants to run. if he really wants to defeat donald trump, maybe running for president should not be his thing, because he cannot win as an independent voice. this presidential cycle is not there. kennedy: yeah. we're -- >> where's the place for him in. >> find a place. kennedy: he's not a progressive democrat like tom steyer. >> he can help voter turnout to, he can do voter education. you don't have to run -- >> maybe he doesn't feel represented by either major political party finish. >> him as a third party

candidate will not move the ball forward, and if his mission is to defeat trump, it will not work. kennedy: i don't know, man, it's an apple world. >> i am totally convinced. kennedy: you're selling ibms right now. >> go, no, i think i'm selling apple watches, actually. [laughter] kennedy: i don't know. here's the thing, and this is a problem with the big strain of populism that's taken over both parties, choice is now demonized. it really is. and it becomes zero sum politics and economics, and that has been disproven, but, you know, you're hell bent on reliving the lessons of history again and again. >> kennedy, where would -- as a democrat, where would howard find his place in our party? kennedy: i don't care. i don't need for him to find a groove. i'm not a democrat. >> it doesn't work -- kennedy: i don't care. >> that's what i care as a -- kennedy: live your best life. >> i have no -- kennedy: the embodiment of starbucks. >> run all you want --

kennedy: yeah, you do -- >> don't run as ap independent. >> because you know he will, which is why republicans love starbucks. [laughter] >> they were supposed to boycott starbucks, nobody -- >> no one's -- planned parenthood and guns, we were mad at starbucks for that. i think or starbucks will keep selling coffee. ken what if starbucks started selling guns? guy, last word. >> oh, boy. [laughter] that's an interesting prospect that i'll mull over. kennedy: i mean, better starbucks than a bar -- >> i've never shot a gun, and i don't drink coffee. so i'm not the target audience. kennedy: going to be an interesting break, because we're going to do both. [laughter] we are going to talk about president trump's accepting nancy pelosi's invitation to deliver the state of the union address a week from tomorrow. is this a sign that the two sides are finally willing to work together before the next shutdown dead lien in three weeks finish deadline in tree weeks? joining me next, arizona

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after reaching a deal to end the 35-day shutdown on friday,s but we could do it all again if democrats don't agree to fund a border wall by the time the spending agreement expires in 18 days. the congressional budget office claims the economy has lost $3 billion during the shutdown, but the president's economic adviser, larry kudlow, is throwing the challenge flag on that call. watch. >> and now that the government has reopened, the switch goes right back on. there's certainly no, no permanent damage to the economy. kennedy: no! it's like the feeling coming back in your mouth after you get a filling. the president has hinted at declaring a national emergency on the southern border to secure funding for his wall if democrats don't pony up. so is this just groundhog day once again come mid february? joining me now arizona congressman and house judiciary committee member andy biggs. welcome back. >> thanks, kennedy. kennedy: we can't have another shutdown, we cannot. >> well, you know, you can't

predict. it's always possible. let's face it, we had three last year. congress doesn't do a great job of getting a budget out like it's supposed to, and i think if we did, you wouldn't be having even the threat of shutdowns. so i can't say we're not ever going to have one again. i don't think it's the preferred -- kennedy: do you think we're going to have one in 18 days? >> well, i'm -- i hope not. my advice to the president, what i would urge him to do and what i believe and hope he'll do, he doesn't have to declare an emergency, but since i don't think congress is going to do anything on this, i think he can use a section in title x, declare it an active drug trafficking corridor, and he could have access to funds there and begin building a wall. i think he could do that. kennedy: what if the trucks don't come i through -- drugs don't come true the wall, if what if they come on tunnels and trains and boats and planes and ports of entry like sannie city degree? >> well, you have to remember

that 40%over of the drugs that we actually catch -- we don't know where they're all coming, because we don't catch them alling, they're coming through the tucson sector which has very little fencing compared to other portions of the border. so you actually can deem that a drug trafficking corridor because literally tons of drugs are being interdicted, number one, but number two -- kennedy: but a lot of them are going right under, long tunnels. >> yeah. you have some tunnels. but you'll always have some tunnels, you're always going to have people going around fences, you're always going to have people trying to smuggle -- kennedy: i mean, let's think about this for a second, because i hate the way drugs go into this country. it's awful, and it creates these murderous cartels that have no regard for human life or anything that stands in their way. do you really think if a cartel is looking at the southern border of the united states if a barrier goes up because you

can't call it a wall now, do you really think they're going to stop selling drugs? >> you're not going to stop selling drugs in the united states, but you're going to make it a lot more difficult to get drugs in here. right now it's porous. i was just down on the border last weekend for a couple days, and it is wide open in some place. kennedy: yeah, it is, absolutely. >> it makes it so easy. the one thing that a border fence, wall, barrier, whatever we're calling it now that's politically correct, it actually causes people to be -- they're impeded. they have to find some other way to get through. that's really one of the primary reasons that you have it. and then it'll also allow our border patrol agents to get in position -- kennedy: but declaring a national emergency, and i actually agree with marco rubio on this, that's problematic as well. kamala harris has a lot of heat and traction, and one of the things she's talking about is that nationalizing health care. so what is to stop her from declaring a state of health emergency and having the united

states government take over for-profit insurance companies nationalizing those? >> you're exactly right. i mean, we know that the emergency powers by the president have been delegated to the president by congress. congress is going to have to step up -- kennedy: and take it back, take back that power. >> that's right. that's right, we have to take back our power. some of us, believe it or not, kennedy, have actually tried to do that in the last couple of years, we just couldn't get it done because of one reason or another. what i'm suggesting that the president to is maybe leave that emergency power on the table and move to the drug trafficking corridor declaration which is not an emergency situation, it is very limited in scope. and i think that's a far better way to do it. but you're right, it is -- it always causes us a bit of a pause when we see the executive brawn. have this -- branch have this power. but don't forget congress has, whether rightly or wrongly, delegated literally hundreds of places in the statute books for emergencies for the president. they've been used -- last time

was for swine flu under the obama administration. so it's a bit of a problem. kennedy: andy biggs, i know you're keeping your eye on everything, and i know you're smart enough to reach across the aisle to some of the rationalists on the democrat side and come up with a solution that doesn't involve this horrific political posturing that the speaker of the house is pushing forth. it's annoying and nauseating, and i look forward to the state of the union address next week. andy biggs, thank you so much. >> thanks, kennedy. kennedy: coming up, elizabeth warren, she's got her eyes on the white house, and she wants her grabby hands on your wallet. i'll explain how her plan to tax the richest americans would hurt the rest of the people she claims to be helping. claims to be helping. my monologue is

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♪ ♪ kennedy: as the democratic presidential field grows thicker and goofier by the day, every candidate has to work that much

harder to stand out. elizabeth warren has already had a few critical stumbles, so to get herself out of the political icu, she's resorting to that cheap trick redistributionists love to fall back on, class warfare. senator warren will never study or admit the bad consequences of her good intentions, so she simply oversimplifies her good, old-fashioned zero sum jealousy by attacking the evil haves in order to attract the sinless have nots. in one clumsy tweet to washington redskins owner dan snyder, warren writes of the man she managed to out-offend, quote: the billionaire nfl owner just paid $100 million for a superyacht with its own i max theater. i'm sure he can pay my new hashtag ultra millionaire tax to help out millions of americans struggling with student loan debt. and what is her neat ultra-millionaire tax? it's a 2% household wealth tax.

not an income tax, a wealth tax on americans who make over $50 million a year and 3% on those who make over a billion. now, i would rather see this country get out of the way and allow for the creation of more ultra-millionaires who profit off their ideas and innovation and who support communities with jobs and firms and factories. they've tried these classist cash grabs in europe for decades, most notably the 2012 75% supertax in france that saw the sad migration of fantastic cultural icons like gerard depp around due to flee the homeland. it was repealed three years later: warren wants government to be the tool to help overcome the hurdles of expensive housing and schooling, health and childcare whose skyrocketing costs are all attributable to government nosiness and overregulation. do you know why the cost of college is so high?

with debt-free college, there's absolutely no incentive to rein in administrative costs when the government is foolishly pushing everyone to get a degree regardless of need or desire which only perpetuates the silly cycle for another generation. warren's attention-hungry tax theft is starved of any sound economic principles, and doing her best impression of karl marx will have the worst impact on the economy, and that's the memo. all right. here's senator warren on the utopia that would be created through her wealth tax. liz? >> it's the kind of money where we could do real relief on student loan debt. it's the kind of money where we could make a real start on a green new deal. it's the kind of money where we could bring down the cost of health care. it's the kind of money where you give somebody else in this economy a chance. a government that's not just working for the tippy top, a government that starts to work for the rest of america.

kennedy: real relief. yeah, that sounds great in theory, but would that ever work? i don't think so either. joining me now from reason.com and reason tv where he serves as editor at large, it is nick gillespie. nick, welcome back. >> thanks for having me. kennedy: here you have -- tippy top. kennedy: whoo! and the tippy top be damned to hell! so you have a lot of people who are hurting because of areas of their life where there's so much government tinkering. so elizabeth warren with wants to overburden the economy, creating more big government programs. is that the best way to go about solving this? >> i don't think so. and, i mean, her wealth tax -- as you were pointing out, in europe this has been tried, you know? in tons -- in countries there's a lot less opposition to taxing people, they all got rid of their wealth taxes because they're hard to implement and do in any kind of meaningful way. if you're talking about people with $50 million, they're going to find ways around this and a

way that shrivels up the amount of money it actually raises. there's a pragmatic problem with it. it's a constitutional issue because it -- kennedy: yes. which is different than an estate tax or an income tax, and obviously, not a sales tax. >> right. which are on discreet events, not an ongoing compilation of wealth. so it would be tied up in the courts forever. and then i think the larger question which is, i think, what you were getting at is where i think ocasio-cortez and elizabeth warren are scoring points saying, look, we're not going to talk about economic growth. we're going to take that for granted, and we're just going to tax and regulate a lot of things to get the world that we want. and i think a better approach is the figure out how do you grow the economy so that it's growing at 3 or 4%, because it's actually economic growth that gives rise to rising standards of living throughout time, and it also helps keep prices in check.

you absolutely right that health care and education have massive inflation. like much more than the regular rate of inflation. those are also markets that are dominated by government financing, and that's not an accident, that is the problem. kennedy: and there's no incentive not only for these specific areas to manage themselves better, there's no incentive for the government to cut anything down, so they are sustainable. what happens if you just keep going, if you just keep adding more programs and more taxes? >> yeah, we're starting to understand that, and it's, you know, what happens is you have something like medicare for people who are 65 and older is already bankrupting the country. you make it medicare for all, you know, it's something like in california the california state budget is about $150 billion a year or something. gavin newsom's plan for a version of medicare for all in california would cost $400 billion. so, i mean, this is what happens. if you keep adding more and more stuff on the economy --

kennedy: it's totally impractical, but they go for the moral argument which is health care is a right. >> well, and also that, you know, billionaires are immoral. you know, that that is a policy failure. of and i think that's really problematic. you know, and, again, i'll say i could understand, you know, it's like a billion dollars. i have no way of even conceptualizing that. but people like howard schultz or starbucks or bill gates or jeff bezos, they didn't get their money by stealing it from people. the least of the thing that's interesting about a free market society is that some people become billionaires, it's that you have people getting more and more stuff at cheaper prices at higher and higher quality. that goes for food, education, clothing, it goes for jobs and lifestyles. and that's what we should be focusing on, how do we grow the economy, make it so that it is expanding in a way that everyone wins? kennedy: yes. and individualism is not a filthy pornographic concept. >> i don't think so. i'm pretty sure --

kennedy: thank god. that's my choice. that is a right. if you want -- >> from my cold, dead hands. yes. kennedy: that is your right. you stealing money from me to provide someone else with health care, that is not your right. all right. you're the best ever in the world. thank you, nick -- >> thank you. kennedy: president trump's longtime adviser roger stone, victory! yes, he's due in federal court tomorrow. this is going to be interesting. last week he was indicted on seven counts including obstruction, making false statements, witness tampering. stone says he will plead not guilty, but here's what he said yesterday when asked about whether he'll cooperate with mueller. >> that's a question i would have to, i'd have to determine after my attorneys have some discussion. if there's wrongdoing by other people in the campaign, that i know about -- which i know of none, but if there is, i would certainly testify honestly. i'd also testify honestly about any other matter including any communications with the president. kennedy: we may get a fuller

picture as soon as acting attorney general matthew whitaker said today that the mueller probe is, quote, close to being completed. so should the president be worried after the latest indictment, and is roger stone going to prison? joining us now, attorney and spokeswoman gayle trotter is back. welcome back, gayle. >> great to be with you, kennedy. kennedy: so what sticks out with the roger stone indictment to you? >> what is most noteworthy about this indictment is the absence of a criminal conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russian government. the indictment goes on at great length talking about russian hacking and wikileaks publy publicizing these e-mails which everybody knew back in 2016. but in going through the details in the indictment, it basically has an absence of evidence of the core attempt in this investigation to find out whether there was a criminal conspiracy between anyone in the trump campaign and the russian

government. and the indictment has no evidence that there was any criminal conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russian government. kennedy: so even if the president did not direct roger stone or someone from higher up in the campaign did not direct roger stone to engage with wikileaks and disseminate the information, roger stone -- [laughter] he's certainly an entertaining character. is he in deep yogurt? >> anytime you have the force of the federal government coming and prosecuting you, you are in deep yogurt. but that doesn't mean that the prosecutors don't have a high burden to prove. and if you look at the counts that they've alleged, none of it has to do with criminal espionage with the russian government, and instead they're all process crimes that are very similar to what mike flynn pled guilty on, lying in an investigation, and they are not from any criminal conspiracy. they are from the investigation of the criminal conspiracy. kennedy: yes.

i don't know that i've seen someone this delighted to be indicted in quite some time. is there ap upside for roger stone here other than just being ubiquitous? [laughter] >> i'm not sure if you believe that saying about any -- there's no bad publicity, but certainly he seems to be enjoying his time showing that he is not intimidated. but i think it's really important in that, in the interview he gave yesterday he talked about how he will not bear false witness against the president, and i think that's a crucial point that people need to remember -- kennedy: do you think he was signaling the president like i'm not going to lie, give me a pardon? >> i don't think so. but it is interesting to see that if you go back when you look at all the presidential pardons in situations like this, some of the people who thought that they were going to get them didn't end up getting them like hubbel with the -- kennedy: gordon liddy is still in jail.

[laughter] that's not true. >> no. kennedy: what i was thinking about today, whenever the president leaves office weather whether it's in two years or six years, the list of pardons is going to be the most fascinating and entertaining thing we've seen throughout this entire enterprise. >> i think we've heard that called pardon-palooza. kennedy: whatever they've had in the past, this will be the fyre festival. thank you so much, gayle trotter. >> great to be with you with, kennedy. kennedy: the me too movement has brought harassment awareness into the spotlight, but some business leaders are warning of some unintended and negative consequences that could hurt women. i'll explain. we will discuss. the panel is back next. ♪ ♪ [ doorbell rings ] janice, mom told me you bought a house. okay. [ buttons clicking ] [ camera shutter clicks ] so, now that you have a house, you can use homequote explorer. quiet. i'm blasting my quads.

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with regard up in davos, swisser lan. did you go? business and political leaders gathered to discuss issues and problems facing the global economy, but this year one of the heaviest topics weighs on the -- weighing on the minds of those running these big companies, especially the fellas, was, of course, the me too movement, encouraging women to speak up about harassment in the workplace. but according to a new york times report, a lot of the guys in charge are worried about being accused of harassment, and now they're min if hissing contact with -- minimizing contact with female employees. as a result, women are getting excluded from one-on-one meetings, work dinners and mentoring which basically puts them back at square one. so do men have a legitimate concern, and how do we fix this so women can finally get a fair shake in business? the panel is back, kat, antjuan and guy. kat, i will start with you because, obviously, there has

been so much good, and many people and the victims of workplace harassment internalized and felt guilty, and it wasn't until the me too moment where a lot of victims were able to come forward and share their stories. >> right. kennedy: and there was something healthy and very necessary about that. but is there something to this backlash? >> no, i think that this backlash is garbage. i think that if you cannot tell the difference between speaking to a woman and sexually harassing that woman, you shouldn't be in the workplace, let alone be some sort of were executive. things you can say, susan, i liked your presentation. things you can't say, susan, i like your butt. it's really not that hard. if you think you don't know if you're doing it or not, get out of the workplace, you're garbage. this is disgusting. women have waited so long for justice and to be able to share their stories and for just wanting justice being penalized in this way absolutely makes me sick. kennedy: what about men who see some of their colleagues and their reputations destroyed, and

are they being hyper-defensive by saying, well, i'm not going to mentor women anymore? is it just an excuse to maintain the old boys' network? >> i don't know if it's that, but i tend to side more with kat here because if you are just trying to mentor someone as opposed to, wink, mentor someone -- >> yeah, exactly. >> -- you should be completely fine. you can have a dinner, you can give professional advice, and you have nothing to be afraid of. occasionally you'll have a crazy person who makes totally false allegations -- kennedy: i think that's what, that's what some men are reacting to. and i think that is the fear, is being falsely accused and the rush to judgment anding activating the mob as we saw in the covington case. >> yes, that's all, that's all fair. but i also think like, you know, the harvey weinsteins of the world, it wasn't one woman and every other woman was like, what are you talking about? kennedy: meryl streep, we knew,

we talked about it for years. so what do we do now? you're a man, you're in business. >> i meaning look -- kennedy: do you employ the pence rule? >> i make it my business to try to empower woman because i am a son, i have a sister and three nieces. i use my business as an opportunity to not only empower one, but three or four. if i'm at a college campus, i are speak to three or four young ladies and tell them how to get in this business and what they can do to be success. i don't think we should be afraid, i think we should be careful. i agree with these two panelists, there's a difference between what's right and what you really want to be right. there's a difference. kennedy: yeah, but what about someone who is falsely accused? how to you get your reputation back? >> you can't. when you are convicted in the court of public opinion -- kennedy: that's a problem as well. >> absolutely, it is. but the internet doesn't forget. how to you do that? i don't know. i don't think there will ever be

an answer to that, but it's unfortunate that we have that problem. ken all right. does the justice that we've seen outweigh that potential setback? >> the setback of women not getting one-on-one meetings or not -- kennedy: no, of men not being able to get their reputations back when they're falsely accused? >> i think that's lesses of a problem than what we've seen happen with so many women especially when you see so many women accusing the same man which has happened over and over again. i think that the justice these women got is absolutely very important. >> we shouldn't settle f like, both. i mean, we should be able to say, like, you can, you can punish men who are bad actors and not have innocent guys get their lives ruined -- >> i agree. >> we should be -- kennedy: that's why we've got to continue to have this conversation, and we will on another day. good to see you all. topical storm is next, stay right here.

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♪ ♪ kennedy: an nbc news/"wall street journal" poll found that 63% of americans think that the country is headed in the wrong direction. we're still the michael jordan of countries, we're just playing for the wizards now. this is the topical storm. topic number one. let us begin tonight in massachusetts where patriots' fans are getting to the super

bowl any way they can. uh-huh. yep, look at that. it started out as an argument over a fender bender, and it finished as an argument over gas money after the road rage turned into a 3-mile ride-along. witnesses say the driver hit speeds of 90 miles an hour. but in his defense, everyone speeds when they get a chance to use the carpool lane. police say he made several attempts to stop short and throw his passenger off the hood. just like they teach in driver's ed. fortunately, no one was hurt in the incident, but both men were arrested. on the plus side, the driver's a part-time actor, and he just landed a role in the remake -- [laughter] of boys in the hood. ♪ ♪ kennedy: topic number two. a florida taco bell was evacuated on saturday after a man brought in a world war ii grenade. fortunately, everyone got out quick because taco bell customers are used to running.

an unidentified man apparently found this grenade while he was fishing, and he brought it with him thinking it couldn't be any more dangerous than the stuff on the menu. police disagreed and decided to make a run for the bomb squad. they have since confirmed that the grenade was an authentic device. the man was not arrested but could still face charges for possessing a deadly weapon because he left the store with a frito's brew toe. [laughter] topic number three. speaking of bombs, the jersey shore is getting a spin-off where women vie for the affection of paulyd. and vinnie. think of it as the bachelor if they gave out crabs instead of roses. you know, because it's by the ocean. sure. [laughter] twenty women who are trying to date the jersey shore alums. we reached out to the girls' parents for comment, but they denied having daughters on the show. they said they ran away to join isis. the internet is savaging the

show, but you've got9 to give mtv some credit because they've come a long way since those weirdo v-jays they used in the '90s. who are these people? and finally, topic number four. we salute the nfl pro bowl which went off yesterday without a hitch. and also without any glue on the trophy. uh-oh. >> congratulations on winning the 2019 pro bowl. let me present you guys with trophy here. >> whoa! [laughter] kennedy: i love it. new york jets' safety jamal adams was receiving the winning trophy when it came apart at the seams, just like his team always does. the incident was so shocking, it nearly woke up all three people who were watching the pro bowl. the league has apologized, and they're bringing the trophy maker to discuss the matter as we speak. i didn't know there was glue on that! we've all had bad uber drivers, but this one takes the cake.

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