♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. andrew mccabe's confession tour has entered its third day and so, too, has his book tour. mccabe today claimed he informed the top congressional leaders of both parties about fbi plans to carry out what was and is nothing less than the attempted overthrow of the u.s. government. in may of 2017, president trump had been in office less than six months when the conspiracy to carry out a so-called soft coup reached the democratic and republican leadership of both the house and the senate. >> the purpose of the briefing

was to let our congressional leadership know exactly what we'd been doing, opening a case of this nature. not something that an fbi director would do by yourself. this was a recommendation that came to me from my team. i reviewed it with our lawyers -- >> did you tell congress? >> and i told congress what we had done. >> did anyone object? >> that's the important part here, savannah, no one objected. lou: and no one in the so-called gang of eight denies mccabe's account or their awareness of the corrupt deep state's efforts to overthrow the president of the united states. here tonight we take up mccabe's shocking admissions and the fearful silence and refusal of republican lawmakers to support the president and to defend the government against the lawless, reckless treachery of the politically corrupt fbi and justice department. house freedom caucus members congressman jim jordan, congressman mark if green among

our guests tonight with their per spect if bis on what has been from the beginning, clearly, a plot to subvert this president. with the complicity of the left-wing national media. and it turns out, with the knowledge of the leaders of both parties in both houses of congress. the radical dem and rino resistance is un relent, trying -- unrelenting, trying to stop president trump from defending our borders that are overflowing with illegal immigrants, deadly drugs and sex trafficking, to stop the building of the wall on our southern border. the democratic attorneys general of 16 states have joined a lawsuit in the ninth circuit court challenging president trump's national emergency declaration to protect american citizens. the illegal immigration and border security crisis has now produced tensions and a national divide between the two major parties.

business, corporate interests, globalist elites versus citizens, working men and women and their families, a divide that approaches a political civil war. president trump says he is duty-bound to defend our nation and confident that he and the country will prevail. >> it was filed in the ninth circuit, and i actually think we might do very well even in the ninth sur cut, because it's an open and closed case. if our nation doesn't have borders, we don't have too much of a nation, especially when drugs and all of the things that you know better than anybody what's happening at the border. it's a bad situation. so i think, i think we're going to do very well with the lawsuit. lou: and the president's defense of the nation and the radical efforts by the left, the deep state, the rino establishment, to stop him. former reagan white house political director ed rollins, former kansas secretary of state, chris coback.

among our guest. and as the president fights back the forces of evil in this country, he is also working to protect the nation from the predatory, imperialistic trade policies and outright espionage of the chinese. china has taken this conflict, america's national security and very likely that of our allies all around the globe. president trump wants the trade deal with china done and done soon. balanced reciprocal trade with china is his goal, and he's threatened higher tariffs if these trade talks now underway in washington aren't going well by his march 1st deadline. >> the date is not a magical date. a lot of things can happen. the real question will be will we raise the tariffs, because they automatic create kick into 25% as of $200 billion worth of goods that they send. so i know that china would like not for that to happen, so i

think they're trying to move fast so that doesn't happen. lou: we'll have the latest in the china trade talks. center for the national interests senior fellow christian whiton joins us here tonight. our top story, the fired former fbi head, andrew mccabe, with more confessions about his role in the corrupt deep state plot to overthrow the president of the united states and, of course, to sell his book all the while. mccabe on nbc this morning tried justifying his treachery. he claimed the president posed a security threat even though there was absolutely no evidence of any threat to substantiate his absurd claim. >> we had information that led us to believe that there might be a threat to national security. in this case, that the president himself might, in fact, be a threat to the united states national security. >> did you suspect the president might actually be working for russia? >> we thought that might be possible, yes. lou: without any evidence,

without any evidence, without probable cause they pressed on. former fbi director and mccabe's former boss, james comey, outright contradicted what mccabe just said. comey telling president trump in march 2017 that the president himself, not an fbi target in the russia investigation. so who's telling the truth? well, both men are liars. mccabe said he told congressional leaders, the gang of eight, that the fbi was opening an investigation into the president, and none of them -- not one of them -- objected. nor, apparently, even asked why. or where's your evidence, or how about just are you out of your mind? not one question. not one objection. well, joining me now congressman jim jordan, the ranking member of the house oversight committee, cofounder of the influential freedom caucus.

great to have you with us. >> good to be with you, lou. lou: as we are watching this book tour, confession tour, whatever you want to call it -- [laughter] we are learning that the gang of eight was right up-to-date, brought up to the date by the -- up-to-date by the fbi about the surveillance and investigation of the president of the united states in the clearest terms, and we haven't even heard a word from a single member of the gang of eight denying one iota of these claims. >> yeah. well, a couple things. first, lou, you're right, you can't trust anything andy mccabe says. he wants everyone to believe he's a boy scout, but he lied three times under oath, he's under investigation by the justice department, he was fired because he lied, and what did he lie about? about the leaks that he did to certain newspapers to make himself look better back during the clinton investigation. a, you can't trust anything he says. b, we don't know what he told the gang of eight, how he spun it, what he said. and i guess the third point is we know there was nothing going

on because james comey even told us when we deposed him that, up until the time he was fired -- that's may of 2017 -- they had nothing that showed any type of coordination, collusion, conspiracy between the trump campaign and -- lou: and, congressman -- >> all the way up to that date, they had nothing. lou: you're giving me a choice, do i believe mccabe or comey? that's a very tough choice, congressman. >> all i'm saying is you can't trust andy mccabe, and we have no idea what he told the gang of eight, how they spun it. during those critical a eight days in may between may 9th, 2017, when comey is fired and may 17th, 2017, when bob mueller's named special counsel, these guys were up the no good then. in particular, they were focused on rod rosenstein had says he was going to wear a wire to record the president, and they were talking about communicating with cabinet members and invoking the 25th amendment which is scary that those kinds of things were going on at the

highest levels of our justice department. lou: and your thoughts about the meeting among the president, mueller and rosenstein and whether or not that might have been an effort to, if you will, achieve the same result as wearing a wire. >> yeah. who knows. all we know is these key people, the top people at the fbi, comey was fired, andy mccabe, deputy director, lied three times under oath, as i said, was fired. jim baker, chief counsel was first demoted, then left, now also under investigation by the justice department. lisa page, fbi counsel, was demoted, then left. and peter strzok, deputy head of counterintelligence, was demoted, then fired. these were the people who orchestrated, ran the clinton investigation and then launch and ran the russia investigation, and those last four, they're the ones in that critical week i talked about were plotting the overthrow, the ouster of the president of the united states which is, as i said before, just unbelievable that that was going on.

lou: yeah. and if true, if true, the acquiescence of the gang of eight, the ranking members as well as the majority members of the senate and the house in that group, act acquiesced. and if they did so, they are complicit in the most nefarious assault on the presidency and this government in the history of the country. >> again, again, i wasn't in that meeting. eight members of congress were in that meeting. i'm not -- i don't know what they were told, how the fbi spun it. we do know devin nuñes was in that meeting, and he's been pushing in the right direction, doing a great if job over the last two years. my guess is it was spun in a way -- who knows how it was presented to them. but the other key point is, lou, these four people -- baker, mccabe, strzok and page -- none of them are elected. none of them have ever had their name on a ballot and been elected by the american people and, frankly, none of those four

are confirmed by the senate, and yet they're plotting this, planning this, trying to remove the guy we made president of the united states? that is scary. and i think the takeaway here is we need rod rosenstein and andy mccabe in front of the oversight committee under oath answering questions in front of god and everybody so the american people can evaluate who's telling the truth, who's lying. who was in this meeting? when rod rosenstein has said he was thinking about wearing a wire to record the commander in chief, thinking about invoking and using the 25th amendment to remove the president from office, who was he communicating this to? we need to know all that, and the only way is to put them under oath in front of the committee. lou: i wish id had your confidence that we would learn the truth from that process. we watched it for two years. well, actually, longer than that. but two years under this president. in which we didn't learn, frankly, a lot even with a republican majority doing

ostensibly its best, but leading to no significant result. we don't even know at this point, i mean, i don't even know what happened to the office of inspector general. michael horowitz, where is he? what has happened? where are those missing texts between strzok and page? where are those laptops? where are those phones? where still is the evidence in the southern district that's presumably includes the laptop of former congressman wiener? we have so many unanswered questions, and we know that the nsa, congressman, has the ability to reconstruct those texts like that. and no one has done it. the intelligence community that is a assailing still this president even with his own appointees in place is still not producing that, those texts. this president should, in my opinion, why in the world are

they not being demanded by the justice department? by the fbi? >> yeah. we've asked, we've asked for him to, the president, to declassify certain things so we can see them. michael horowitz's report is due late spring, early summer. the u.s. attorney who jeff sessions tapped to do his investigation, we haven't heard anything from mr. huber. so we have -- lou: he's a fiction, is he not? he surely can't even exist. >> well, it's -- i haven't seen him, i haven't heard the first thing -- lou: what is the mindset in washington, d.c. in this federal government that you can lose laptops, you can lose phones of the most culpable, guilty actors in this entire sordid scandal, and all these texts and they investigate -- the investigators, and, by the way, two years goes by, a year goes by, a year and a half -- >> yeah, it's frustrating. lou: that's insane!

somebody is playing a very obvious game. >> yeah. and it's what drives the american people most crazy, is this double standard. one set of rules for you and i and the folks i get the privilege of representing, but a different set if your name is clinton, comey, strzok, page, mccabe. that's what drives americans crazy. look, we can bring people in, we can ask the questions, and we can get as much information to the american people as possible n. the end, if people are going to be prosecuted -- and, remember, mccabe and baker are under investigation by the justice department. in the end, only the attorney general and the justice department prosecute. we'll see what the new attorney general does now that he's in office. lou and no one has done more than you to try to get to the truth in these, in these sordid times. at the same time, it is almost impossible for the american people to think that a conservative, a republican -- and if your name is trump, you haven't got a chance in hell. because your own party is aiding

and abetting this unrelenting assault, witch hunt, whatever you want to call it, against a president, and even knows he is blameless, that there's no evidence. and yet the farce goes on. >> yeah. no evidence of any type of coordination, but we know the basics, and we should always come back to this. the clinton campaign paid a law firm who paid fusion gps who hired a foreigner, christopher steele, who went and talked to a few russians, never went to russia. took that dossier, the fbi did, strzok, page, baker, mccabe, these same people took that and made that the basis to go to the fisa court to get a warrant to go spy on trump's campaign. that is what they did. and, oh, when president trump wins, then they say, well, we can get him now after he fires their best buddy, jim comey, and that's what they set out to do and looking for ways to do that

in that critical a eight days in may. and now we're finally getting the truth about what they were up to during that time frame. lou: well, congressman, as always, good to have you with us -- >> good to be with you. lou: keep up the fight. give 'em hell. >> we will. lou: congressman jim jordan. up next, ah, the koch brothers. the koch brothers again! a koch brothers' crony, a minion makes his way back into creep, creep, creep, into the white house. we take that up and much more right after the break. ed rollins joins me. stay with us. i can't tell you who i am or what i witnessed, but i can tell you liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no... only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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department working as the political editor. she will oversee coverage of the 2020 presidential campaign. you can't make this stuff up. [laughter] she has no prior journalistic experience, she has very little electoral experience, we'll put it that way. she worked for carly fiorina in the 2016 campaign. that didn't work out so well either. joining us now, former reagan white house political director, ed rollins. his campaigns have worked out immensely well. [laughter] it's good to see you -- >> nothing can make cnn worse or any more anti-trump, so it doesn't matter -- lou: maybe that's what they decided too. mark short, let's get to him, speaking of -- >> mark made a big deal when he was leaving, he liked being on tv a lot, but he didn't count votes very well. my sense is, i don't know what pence is doing, whether he's building -- i think the more important thing is he used to work for the koch brothers.

lou: he worked for the president too. >> he worked for the president too. i think the key thing here is as they put this campaign together to make sure that there are trump people who know it's a trump-pence campaign as opposed to a pence-trump campaign. lou: yeah, it's sort of interesting, isn't it? >> it is. lou: there's not a clear -- >> not a clear line. lou: -- political group in the white house. >> and there's nobody in there, with the exception of kellyanne, there's really no political people in the wows. lou: -- in the white house. lou: i mean, that would be a polling group. >> yes, it would. lou: let's be serious here. >> and the campaign manager who, obviously, is a digital guy, smart, but he's never run a presidential campaign before, and it's a big, big deal. a re-election is just as tough, a lot of times tougher than an election. lou: let's turn to these revelations from this book tour of mccabe's and a confession tour. it is still right in our faces that the gang of eight knew what

was going on. >> outrageous. lou: and you can, you know, shade in any way you want to. the truth is that those republican leaders -- and we're talking about mcconnell, we're talking about ryan, you know? they knew what was going on, so did schumer and pelosi, and they were just fine with the effort by the justice department and the fbi to tear up the government of the united states. >> the acting attorney general and the acting fbi director told them a we suspect the president may be chewing or may -- colluding or may be doing something with the russians, you'd say what's the evidence? where is it? lou: you would think anyone would do that. >> absolutely. lou: how about are you out of your damn mind? >> that's what i would think. and the mere fact that you're sitting there having discussions, top levels, about the president of the united states and really plotting his overthrow, to me, is just one of those historic, historic -- lou: well, i'd like to see why, i would like to know why

tonight. i would love to be told tonight why those nsa files are not turned over to, how about to the white house? the president is the victim in all of this. turn it over to him and his attorneys and put those texts from page and strzok and all of the nefarious, corrupt crowd that ran the fbi and the doj, and let's see what happens. >> well, it's important because the president's got the korean meetings coming up, the chinese meetings, and the new attorney general needs to shut it down as quick as he can. lou: i'd like to see him ventilate the whole joint. ed rollins, thanks so much. >> thank you. lou: our next guest says we need to remain skeptical of china's willingness to reform. christian whiton with us right after this break. and if let's take a look at the national debt. $22 trillion. we'll be right back.

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lou: a seventh round of trade talks underway in washington today between the united states and china. the trump administration demanding a plan to enchina's multi-hundred billions of dollars in theft of u.s. inte lek hull property and technology before the march 1st trade deadline. higher level trade talks led by treasury secretary mnuchin, trade representative robert lighthizer starting thursday. joining us tonight, christian whiton, senior fellow at the center for the national interest, former senior adviser in both the trump and bush administrations. great to have you with us. christian, these talks, the president said they're going well. what do you see before your very eyes? >> yeah. i think the president is certainly wishing to express optimism and to give the chinese

every chance possible to come in from the cold, to stop their kleptocracy, their mercantilism, their unfair trade. the problem is if you talk to people who are involved this these talks, they are being fairly tight-lipped, but there isn't really any detail on concessions china is making, so they are offering to buy some stuff from us that would temporarily bring down the trade deficit with china for a couple years potentially. but as far as systemic change, changing the way they do business, it doesn't seem to be anything. lou: and you use that word, you use that word, christian, systemic. structural. we're talking about half a trillion dollars about in theft with by the chinese each and every year half a trillion dollars stealing our technology, our patented, our most advanced intellectual property, and i frankly think the trade deficit's the smallest part of the deal, don't you? >> yes.

and the sanctions actually were imposed -- excuse me, the tariffs were imposed under section 301 of our trade law, so it's a little hard the say, okay, forget about it just because they're buying some goodies if they don't change their ways -- lou: especially more soybeans, like we're a third world merging nation. i can't get over that and some of the business press that ballyhoos that kind of reaction on the part of the chinese. [laughter] this is, it seems to me, an extraordinary time in our history. the president is changing direction on trade policy, moving global trading partners to balanced, reciprocal, fair trade away from the chamber of commerce, business round table -- what do they want to call it, free trade and it only costs us trillions of dollars, that so-called free trade. at the same time, reasserting u.s. infriewbs in the hemisphere and making it very clear to the russians and the chinese and, yes, even the iranians that this

is not going to be a hemisphere or -- that is going to be lacking for leadership, that president trump means to provide precisely that and support for the venezuelan people in the most recent crisis. >> yes. you know, it's a lot of big change out there. with china, you know, again, going back to the 19th sent re, the chinese have sold this mirage, this myth of this huge base of consumers that people can access, and they never delivered. if you're about to gain market share, they'll take it away from you. but wall street's missing some major trends. one is the slowing down of china and the fundamental change of our relationship that president trump has delivered there. but the things you alluded to, one of which is the growth and turn around of south america if it completes this transition from this pink socialist wave they went through to something much more capitalistic. in colombia, argentina if, hopefully soon, venezuela. these are big changes in the

world and in our trade posture. lou: socialism, these are zombie states we're talking about. cuba has a political activism that is energized and creating problems in the hemisphere, but it too is now threatened with extinction and will be extinguished most assuredly as a result of the trump policies. christian whiton to, as always, good to have you with us. we appreciate it. >> thanks, lou. lou: thank you. up next, huawei could soon have an open invitation to germany's wireless networks, its economy. maybe they'd just like to take over the country because angela merkel is perfectly willing to do so, and she loves the russians. loves the russians. plus, 16 states file a legal challenge to the president's national emergency declaration. we take that up with congressman mark green. we're coming right back with that and much more. stay with us. ♪ ♪

lou: headlines we're looking at, president trump today signing a directive establishing the space force. president trump says the force will, quote, insure that our people are secure, our interests are protected and our power continues to be unmatched. a federal judge allowing a parks advocacy group to sue the obama library. supporters fear that lawsuit could move construction out of chicago. you can hear the shivers of fear and angst and concern. germany considering allowing huawei to participate in the building of germany's 5g high-speed internet despite the longstanding efforts of the trump administration to restrict huawei's influence. germany will make its final decision in the coming weeks and, oh, by the way, merkel

giving vladimir putin just a great bug hug because she wants to buy their natural gas. she loves the russians. >> she loves the russians. joining me now, congressman mark green, member of the homeland security committee, the house freedom caucus. congressman, it's great to have you with us, and let's start with mccabe tonight. he has, basically, made it very clear that the gang of eight, the leaders of the house and senate, democrats and republicans, were actually in the know throughout on the investigation into the president of the united states. >> yeah, lou. thanks for having me on the show. i mean, how do we believe anything that andrew mccabe says? this is a guy who even obama appointees have said lied under oath three times. he was even recommended for criminal prosecution, and we're -- no one should even be listening to this guy. the only thing that should happen for him is he should be brought in front of the

oversight committee, and we should cross-examine him and rosenstein on this whole deal. lou: i'm perfectly delighted to do it. i'd also be delighted to hear the leaders whether it is pelosi and schumer, whether it is mcconnell and ryan, deny a single word that he said. because the only word that we've had back is that one spokesperson in the congress allowing us how the gang of eight already knew it when mccabe told them about it, the investigation of the president as a candidate and as a president. >> yeah. my take on this whole thing is that mccabe is just untrustworthy. who knows what he told them. it'd be great to have them come and share with us what he said, but in the end, whatever he says is completely untrustworthy. lou: he's untrustworthy, so is the fbi, so is the department of justice. what are we to do as a nation because it is such a foul stench emanating from the department of

justice, the fbi, their rancid, rotten, corrupt leadership. and they've been in place for years there. they -- what are we to do? we have a new attorney general, with but we've had so many, and they seem to all result in precisely the same thing; that is, continued deep state control of the very system of justice in this country. >> well, lou, first let me say i've got a lot of dear friends whom i knew from my military years who have gone to over to the fbi, and they're doing great work. there are a lot of great americans in the fbi. now, at the leadership, we've seen almost 30 people get either relieved or demoted, you know -- lou: not one of them is in jail, not one of them has been prosecuted or charged. >> absolutely. we need to get all of those guys in front of congress, and we need the leadership to support that. lou: yeah, i -- the leadership in congress was, i believe, fellow by the name of ryan and a

fellow named mccarthy, and they were all republicans, and they controlled all the committees for two years while this president endured this assault. and they didn't do a damn thing, congressman. why should we expect better under nancy pelosi, for crying out loud? >> very clearly, they're going to go into the whole russia thing. look at what adam schiff is proposing. and my point -- lou: i mean, somebody ought to grab adam schiff and say, wait a minute, what are you doing? the fact of the matter is he doesn't even believe in his special counsel that he's counted on for two years. now he wants to have his go at it. and you can just see how smart a fella he is. i'm sure he will do a lot better than mueller. >> well, first off, the democrats are all up in arms about foreign intervention in our election process, and yet they want to have illegal aliens vote. so their credibility is ruined from the start. but schiff's is clearly ruined. i mean, he met with gibson out in colorado. this is the guy who stepped

steele create this fake dossier. so very clearly, he's compromised. he should recuse himself from the very beginning of the thing. lou: yeah. his relationship with fusion gps, his role in all of this, mark warner, the ranking democrat on the senate committee, doing back channel with russian agents' rep9tives, i mean, mi-6, for crying out loud, and we haven't evened had a question asked of what was the role of british intelligence with u.s. intelligence and national security whether in the fbi or the cia. we don't even know what's going on, and it's been years now. >> yeah. senator burr has done a two-year investigation and said there's no proof of collusion. we've got robert mueller continuing to widen his investigation to justify its existence -- lou: let me ask you this, can we do something concrete? how about you? how about the republican conference, the republicans in the senate demanding that the nsa turn over the strzok/page texts, turn over the laptop and

the telephones that, the cell phones that went missing. amazingly, the oig couldn't find them, didn't ask for them for six months. i mean, we are watching what is clearly one of the dumbest cover-ups i've ever seen, and people are acting, are going about their business as if this was just normal as it could be. this is a cover-up by a corrupt fbi and a corrupt department of justice. >> well, it's absolutely crazy and, yes, lou, you can anticipate that the ranking member and other members of oversight on our side of the aisle are going to be demanding just those things. but the fbi learned it well from the former secretary of state. you just bash the cell phone and then your e-mails can't be found. so we can't expect, i guess, any different from them. but we're going to demand the truth on those and, hopefully, they'll come clean. lou: yeah, it's -- congressman,

i know you've been in congress, well, a little over a month -- >> six weeks. [laughter] lou: six weeks. you have, you have got to be scratching your head at a point here that, you know, as to what all lies before you and your colleagues in the congress and the senate if we're going to get this country right and and to sort out this department of justice and the fbi itself, the leadership. >> lou, i'm an ex-military guy. if any of these things had been done by a soldier, their clearance would be pulled immediately, and they'd being prosecuted or being kicked out of the military. it's unconscionable, what's allowed to have happened here. lou: yeah. and, by the way, it's pretty clear that some members of congress and some to members of the senate played a role in it all. and perhaps are still doing so. congressman, we're glad to have you there. six weeks or not, it's a great

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let's start with the revelations from the apology -- well, he really hasn't apologized, the confession tour of andrew mccabe and, you know, the clear statements by him uncontested by the gang of eight that they all were in the know about the investigation of the president and what turned out to be really a counter-espionage operation against the president of the united states. >> so, lou, thanks for having. i do not believe a single thing that comes out of andy mccabe's mouth -- lou: this is starting to sound like talking points to me. >> no, it's not just talking points -- lou: but it is a talking point -- >> i don't know, because i don't do talking points,. lou: lou i know you don't, it sounded like it. >> congressman devin nuñes is somebody i know potentially, and i do not believe that if he heard that clearly and stated the way mccabe said, that he

would have stayed silent about it. so i reject that. these are people who lied to a fisa court, have lied to the court repeatedly, and i seriously doubt that it was true. lou: when did a source, a highly-placed congressional source say they already knew about it when andrew mccabe told them about it? >> well, let's not forget that some of our members of congress have not exactly been supportive of the president. the failure to deal with our immigration crisis. i don't take anything away from that, i just think you've got to look at the source. the man is a pathological liar, and i don't believe him. lou: okay. and, kris kobach, what do you think? >> i think if you look at the bigger context here, i'm amazed at the suggestion that members of congress wouldn't find it troubling that an assistant director of the fbi would be telling them he's, essentially, launching an investigation into a sitting president, and he's been investigating one side in a political campaign, essentially weaponizing the fbi.

these are incredibly fantastic, extraordinary things. fantastic in a negative way. that the fbi was allegedly being used to do. the notion that members were just saying, oh, yeah, tell me more, just defies credibility. lou: i've got to be honest with you, they're not supporting -- they were not supporting the president then. i could see them not even wringing their hands and quietly acquiescing as mccabe said these things. i could imagine that happening. like you, i don't know if they're true, but i can tell you this, the response from the gang of eight has been thundering silence, and this only highly-placed congressional source says they already knew about it which i suspect may well be true. let's turn to what the president should do. we still -- because this highlights where we are after over two years of investigation. the president's only been in office a little over two years. he's been investigated for almost three by the fbi, by the

committees of congress, the senate, the special counsel. and we still haven't heard from the special counsel, john huber. we have, i mean, this is a mess. for you're a lawyer, as is kris, i've got to ask you both, this is bizarre what the american people are asked to stomach here. your thoughts. >> well, i think the special counsel statute is unconstitutional. i've said that for many years, and on top of that this particular 34reubgs of the special counsel statute is inconsistent with the -- lou: well, what should the president do? he's the victim here. >> the president can't do anything about this in the middle of an investigation so, unfortunately, he has done what he can, which is appoint a better attorney general who, hopefully, will do his job and shut it down. lou: kris, we've got about 20 seconds. >> i think what he needs to do is direct the new attorney general to do everything he can to insure the neutrality and integrity of both the justice

department and the fbi going forward, and that's certainly within the attorney general's mandate. we have a real problem when people doubt the neutrality of these incredibly important agencies. lou: well, including getting the nsa to turn over those missing texts. kris, thank you. >> thanks, lou. lou: up next, can the fbi ever be trusted? the as someone in witness protection, i can't tell you anything about myself. but believe me... i'm not your average consumer. that's why i switched to liberty mutual. they customized my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. and as a man... uh... or a woman... with very specific needs that i can't tell you about- say cheese. mr. landry? oh no. hi mr. landry! liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

a. lou: andrew mccabe confessing he tried to overthrow president trump because he perceived president trump as a threat. the poor darling. jim jordan says mccabe is not to be believed. >> you can't trust anything mccabe says. he lied three times under oath. he was fired because he lied. what did he lie about? he lied about the leaks he did to certain news newspapers to

make himself look better during the clinton investigation. lou: thanks for being with us. good night from new york. see you cheryl: it is wednesday, february 2 of 0t 20th. optimism growing that the u.s. and china can get a trade deal done as talks enter day two in washington and the president backs off the march 1st deadline. chinese state media reporting any new u.s. tariffs on chinese goods would be catastrophic for global stocks. bernie's back on the ballot. what his running means for the economy and your wallet. and, more than 200 million americans feeling the impact of a p monster winter storm today, 1 you