will join us tomorrow. a reminder to follow me @loudobbs on instagram and twitter. trish: breaking right now. straight to us from cucuta, colombia. cuban-backed colectivos are cuban backed teams. a telemundo reporter abducted by the maduro regime is forced into a vehicle. mike pence is calling on the international community to further isolate this brutal

socialist dictator, nicolas maduro. we watch guerrilla-style warfare terrorize this country. all of this happening there and here at home, bernie sanders is double down refusing to acknowledge that nicolas maduro is a dictator. what is it going to take for him to see what the rest of the world actually sees. a brand-new report reveals the enormous cost of alexandria ocasio-cortez' green new deal. "trish regan primetime" is you live from new york right now. the shocking brutality of nicolas maduro's socialist regime in venezuela. this is exclusive video we

obtained. the guerrilla-style war games. they are known as colectivos. they are fleeing because the colectivos in war games are firing into the crowd. i have this to show you as well. this video taken in the same place, the same border town of cucuta, where they are trying to get aid. the colectivos are firing rubber pellet bullets packed with glass marbles inside to maximize the damage. you can see the destruction. ways left. they burned so much of it.

the leader of the venezuelan military, a highly controversial figure, reportedly ships his two grown children to china as we receive reports of defections from maduro's military personnel. the author of "dark winter." anthony tata. how do you interpret this news that maduro's top military guy is sending his family from venezuela. >> i think that's a good sign. i think the general understands the country is on the verge of collapse or on the verge of major military action. he seeks for his family what all of his 200,000 soldiers cannot have, which is safety. it's a cowardly move, but one that i think is a good signal for the united states. either way, if they collapse,

then that provides an opportunity to further isolate maduro. if they choose to fight, and if they choose to inject the cuban trained you just showed from russia and hezbollah, that's a good call for the united states to get militarily involved. trish: interesting you say that. i want to explore that. i find this rather odd that they are sent to china given that we are in the middle of a trade deal with china. i wonder if that's being used as a tool or tactic. what do you mean that this would be a precursor to military involvement? >> one of the things -- if the head of the military is doing a non-combatant evacuation of his

family, then he understands, he knows well what is coming. and if he interprets that the united states is getting ready to intervene or if the pressure is mounting such that he senses major defection with his troops, he does not want to be anywhere near a coup attempt that could be targeted at maduro and him, and certainly he would want to get his family to safety. trish: do you think we are close? i asked vice president pence about that issue yesterday and he reiterated, all options are on the table. given your sources, given your experience and how you are watching this news cycle play out, are we getting closer to possible military involvement? >> i think we are. i think when we look back on history, there are a couple of good examples of how the united

states has operated in this hemisphere. we look at the haiti operation or panama operation. but there are some consistencies. and what we need to do is make sure we provide a golden bridge to maduro. give him somewhere to go. don't back him into a corner. but back him up so he only has one option, that's to go across that bridge. >> is it a problem we can't negotiate with maduro, we have to negotiate effectively with cuba? even if maduro is, i had enough, i want out. if the cubans aren't willing to let him go, i don't know what kind of wiggle ream has there. >> that's where the diplomatic element of international power. you isolate venezuela and you send a team down as we did in

haiti. i was in an airplane with a parachute upon my back flying down to jump into combat when colin powell got dictator to sign a deal to move to costa rica to live in a condo. trish: any timetable? >> i think in the next two weeks we'll see this thing bubble up and foment. the aid has to get in there. president trump has made this sort of a line in the sarnld. he needs to do something that will affect or set the conditions that will affect the transition to guaido for power. he's doing that through all the different elements of power. just like obama has the no chemical weapons and didn't do anything about it. what we see is the president

trying to do something that will affect change, guaido takes power. this is a defining moment. we need guaido in charge. we need good relationships are venezuela and we don't need hezbollah, iran and russia and cuba involved to the extent that they are. trish: that's for sure. the challenge for him is getting back into venezuela because maduro made it clear the minute he enters back into the country, he's at risk. they have to think thought any how they get him back in. general tata, thank you very much. you seem to believe this is indeed heating up. here at home, you have got the democratic presidential hopefuls refusing to call nicolas maduro what he is, and that's a dictator. when bernie sanders was asked to

justify that stance, what does he do? he turned it into an attack on president trump. this is something. >> why have you stopped short of calling maduro of venezuela a dictator? >> well, he -- i think it's sad to say the last election was undemocratic. but there are still democratic operations taking place in that country. the point is what i'm calling for right now is internationally supervised free elections. i do find it interesting that trump is very concerned about what goes on in venezuela, but what about the last election that took place in saudi arabia? trish: i just wanted to see the look on your face when he said that.

doug schoen, former advisor to bill clinton who predicted the fall of venezuela a decade ago in his book, "the threat closer to home." welcome. >> thank you for a kind introduction. trish: you have got the chops. you covered the topic very well. let's start with the democratic party and the thorns they have there in the way of bernie sanders. what's your reaction to that? >> maduro stole two elections. he's a brutal dictator. he's starving his own people. and to make ridiculous comparisons to saudi arabia which notwithstanding the killing of khashoggi, is ridiculous. an ought to call venezuela the

dictatorship that it is. trish: why can't he? >> i don't know. you can be a self-described socialist and tell the truth. he's a self-described socialist who is not acknowledging reality. trish: i think he's not very bright and he's trying to stick to his platform. they will not admit they have failed. he'll not admit they have failed. >> the footage you showed. every bit of evidence shows not only have they had failed, they are literally killing their own people. they are starving them. that's unacceptable in a formerly free and prosper use society -- prosperous society. trish: you think about where it is today. i looked through the charts. i cannot find a country that is

a worse profile than venezuela. i i am getting reports -- i am getting record in from venezuela that one of the aid workers has been abducted. she was trying to bring food to sick children. this comes as six journalists were abducted. five american hostages are still stuck in a caracas prison. the vice president was talking to me about it yesterday. and bernie can't see it. >> we need to consider intervention. but we need the conservative latin american countries in the lima group, particularly brazil and argentina to join us. we have a sorry history of unilateral intervention in latin america that has not worked out so well. we can and should get a broad coalition to say, president maduro, if you don't allow the

aid that is coming, we'll make sure the aid comes in. trish: i was just there at the lima group yesterday. they don't want to go that path. brazil does not want their air space filled with american military. >> i get that. i don't think as a nation we can be true to our principles and not advance that agenda. i'm glad for the uptick in the sanctions, particularly on the oil company. but we have to be more committed to human rights. basic human rights. this is not about a military intervention for regime change. this is to allow people to have enough food, water and medicine to live. if we don't stand for that, trish, what do we stand for? >> i don't know, doug. that's why i keep telling this story night after night.

other members of the media aren't as interested for whatever reason. but i think you are right. all other economic stuff aside. we do have to stand for something. this is a country right here in our hemisphere. >> it's been a traditional ally of ours. people are dying. there is no freedom in the country. there is no food in the country. inflation is a million percent a year. 10 years ago i saw this. it's gotten much worse than i would have imagined. let us do something. trish: a brand-new report reveals a price tag of alexandria ocasio-cortez' green new deal. and who is going to pay for it? the middle class will pay for it. we are getting reports of another journalist detained in

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considering our yearly economic output is $20 trillion. she is taking nearly half of the thing for the green deal. half of our economy every year would go to the green deal. that won't work. joining us, american majority ceo, ned ryun, and scott bolden. >> those numbers aren't defensible in the sense, i don't know how reliable they are. the non-binding resolution has no numbers tonight. it's a concept, a starting point. it's a resolution that we need to be thinking about and talking about to save the planet and address global warming. empirical data says we have a

problem. why would you or any other gop member attack an idea. a concept. trish: we we talk about $93 trillion. i'm not going to dispute you. that's a conversation for another time. global warming. et cetera. >> it's about that. we don't know the economics of it. trish: douglas is a pretty good economist. i looked at his numbers with some bit of authority. i think he's not just blowing smoke. ned ryun, your reaction to all of this. >> it's a staggering sum. it's mind blowing. it's $600,000 per household. but it's based off the premise of man made climate global

warming. let's just say we go to that premise. let's say you buy the argument of man made global warming. akeergd to the united nations report even if the united states were to cut every bit of co2 emissions right now it would only lower the temperatures by .013. trish: you need everybody to be signing up and on board. >> it may be. but those other countries signed up as part of this global warming treaty. we walked away from it. but we have to be able to put some dollars to this and bones on this resolution. trish: i'm going to take a detour for a second. any thoughts of bernie sanders and his inability and refusal to

call maduro a dictator? >> i think you have been doing a terrific job. i was on the show before you did the interview with the doctor from venezuela. your focus on this is important. i think bernie sanders has a challenge on that because he doesn't know what's going on. but the pictures to me are obvious. there need to be new elections. he said that. he doesn't want to call this person a dictator, but all the data coming out of there says he is. trish: i'm glad you said that. bill clinton called him a dictator and said we need to recognize juan guaido. doug schoen said the dictatorship started with

chavez. when you threaten people with lack of food, lack of basic necessities if they don't vote for you, how do they have any freedom in that? >> this is par for the course with bernie sanders. he has been praising socialist dictators for dictators. he praised daniel ortega and the castro brothers. i don't find this unusual for bernie sanders not to recognize maduro as a dictator. trish: we have all seen these pictures. >> what convinces me is not only your coverage. but the fact this blockade of stopping food and resources and water coming into the country. i don't care whether you are a dictator or democratic president of your country. suffering your people for

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trish: jorge ramos at home in miami after being detained in caracas by the maduro regime apparently because the dictator maduro didn't like his line of questioning. before you say the reporter is a bit combative, and seek attention. we have seen instances of that in the past. you are looking at one of them. i think he got thrown out of that news conference. we all have our own style. but when you are interviewing a guy like nicolas maduro, a guy

that's trying totally utterly reup interpret the truth and you are showing hip things like starving people and he thinks that's somehow annal interpretive universe, and ramos showed maduro images of people eating out of garbage cans. maduro lost it. he's out there, they are out there trying to sell an alternate reality. consider when maduro's vice president appeared on this program. i actually had high homes for a meaningful back and forth. she is a chavista and i'm an america capitalist. but i did not expect this.

>> venice a model of justice. . trish: model of justice. when i say it's hardly that, she says it must be fake news. that's what she calls anything that doesn't fit her version of reality. the socialist narrative. fake news is having the audacity to sit there in caracas and say venezuela is the most of just country in the world when you lock up reporters who tell the truth. when you jail and torture political rivals and you hold

americans hostage for over a year as part of a bargaining chip. no, delcy, it's not fake news and venezuela is not a model of justice. but i hope one day it will be. my thoughts go out to jorge and his entire family and i am so glad he's home safe in the united states of america. here with me now to react to all of this. presidential historian, doug wead. this is what they do. we have reports of a report more went down there to cover the jorge ramos situation was abducted today. he was taken by maduro's thugs allegedly held and his tapes were confiscated. he was held against his will, and they also released him. we have reports of a german

journalist who is in jail. and and that's the way they do business. those are the people that are making it out okay and are still alive because many people don't. and many people get killed in the process. what do you think should be done right now about venezuela? >> i like the leadership you are providing. everybody turns on your show at night to find out the latest on what's going on in venezuela. i don't know when the united states would get involved militarily. but this is a dictatorship. what you haven't mentioned is the maduro government controls television there. and academia is controlled in venezuela. professors lectures are censored. their curriculum is dictated by the state. that's a dictatorship.

it's interesting bernie sanders will not call him a dictator but he calls donald trump a dictator. does donald trump control the media and academia, university of california berkeley? wherever there is socialism there tend to be limits of free speech and dictatorship. that's what happens. there is reasons for that. but that's what happens. trish: panama. we went into panama and turned that around pretty quick. is that a model that would be of use as we explore options? do we need to be careful and think critically about bringing as many players as possible on board? do we have the time to do so? >> yeah. i don't know that panama is the perfect example militarily. it's a different situation. the panama canal, all that was at risk there with what noriega was doing.

but the united states is going to have to be brave and take action. to me, this is big political deal here in the united states. we had some democrats publicly tonight say that maduro is not a dictator. donald trump is a dictator. imagine, donald trump is the most of transparent president in american history, and you total up press conferences, interviews and questions and answers, combine them. you surpasses every president in american history except one, an has only been in office two years, he'll easily pass that one. that is not a dictatorship. trish: they try to use that as rhetoric to gin up the base and scare people. if you want to see what a real dictatorship is, mr. bernie sanders and others who are talking that way, which is highly irresponsible, i suggest

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before president trump. they are talking about the importance of border security. we know what happened. we know what changed. isn't it sad that it's that political. you have got the house trying to say that the president doesn't have the right to this national emergency? joining me now, congressman ralph norman. your reaction to all this? >> it's sad to say the least. i have been to the border with 9 other congressmen. to see what's going on there. to see the drug cartels and the families suffering who own farms on the border. then to have the democrats play this out as things as you mentioned, they voted and supported prior to years before, then to say he doesn't have the right. where was the outrage when clinton had his 17 national emergencies? where was the outrage when obama had his 14. when bush had his 13?

they hate the president and they are trying to make a point. the thing about it, he's going to veto it. it's all for political gain. >> also what's so devastating about it. we increasingly are getting this point where you have this showmanship going on, we are ingovernable. let me turn to another subject we have been talking over and over about with venezuela. it's a country that's clearly ungovernable. there is increasing talk of what happens next and would the u.s. be willing to send troops? i pushed the vice president on that issue just last night in bogota, colombia. watch and i want your reaction. is there any talk of military

action. any talk of us engage the colombians and the brazilians to force him out? >> president trump made it clear that while we hope for a peaceful transition, we hope diplomatic and economic pressure and the voice of nations around the world will result in a peaceful transition. all options are on the table. we are simply not going to allow a regime that terrorize and oppresses and brings such deprivation and poverty to its people to continue to prevail in this hemisphere. we are going to stand strong. >> you heard him. all options are still on the table. i'm going to ask you, what does that mean? >> he's not going to let the atrocities that you showed, what maduro is doing to the people of his country.

the starvation, the utter sheer madness that this man is doing. and what this president and the vice president are saying is, we are going to hope for the best, we'll prepare for the worst. we'll take whatever actions we need to free the people and get this madman out of office. trish: what do you think the timing might be? i imagine you had a chance to talk with a lot of your colleagues in d.c. by the. i made the point to the vice president last night that there is a lot of momentum that he recognizes in venezuela. but what happens they feel like they don't have the support and nothing changes, and they go another month and they are still living in worse misery. you have a narrow window. do you think the united states will be able to get those other countries on board? if they can't, do they go it alone? >> how do they not come on

board? when they see what happens and see the chaos. this was a leading country economically years ago. now for it to be under the regime of one man and sit idly by, no, i think other countries will come along. once you see what is happening, you don't have a choice. hopefully when you deal with a madman, you will be saying at some point, free the people and do what's right. i don't have much hope. timetable, monos. but the vice president and the president are right by not setting a timetable. they will watch what happens then take the appropriate action. trish: i have seen a lot of commitment. this is something they care about and it's right here in our hemisphere. you are on the house oversight committee. you have a big day there. you are set to question ex-trump lawyer, michael cohen. do you trust anything he says?

when he pleaded guilty to lying to congress. >> this is a man who in less than 70 days will be in an orange jumpsuit. he falsified his tax returns. this is a man who is $20 million in debt, $4 million in income. $70,000 in monthly expenses. he lied to congress. why do you have him here? what can you trust about him? he said he was loyal to trump. he was loyal to michael cohen. he's a narcissist. he did everything to benefit himself and they are trying to tie this to a president. what michael cohen did had nothing to do with the president. it had to do with enriching himself. he'll be in an orange jumpsuit in less than 70-80 days. trish: congressman we'll be watching you tomorrow and michael cohen as well. robert mueller's russia probe appearing to wrap up with no

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trish: new tonight. house democrats introducing a bill to make it mueller report public as donald trump, jr. slams federal authorities for their stalinist tactics. >> their dream in life is to try to find something to get trump. that's show me the man and i'll show you the crime. trish: they are investigating the president's campaign. joining me now, john yoo, former federal district attorney. dose have a point? is it stalinesque? >> i think stalinesque is going too far. but special counsels get appointed to investigate a person. and the investigations sprawl and sprawl because you are not look for a particular crime.

you are looking at a person and what they have done. the mueller investigation is coming to a close now and we hope he'll be issuing his report to the attorney general this week or next week. this is light speed in terms of how special counsels usually go. trish: john, i hear you in that it's sprawling in size and this is why people don't like special prosecutors. but he had some guidelines. wasn't he supposed to try and figure out whether the trump campaign quliewd russia? >> well, the problem is in the definition you gave, he was charged to investigate collusion between trump and russia. that's not even a crime. a crime is a conspiracy to break federal law. collusion is not a crime. trish: let me jump in. what would be a crime is if mueller were able to say, okay, the trump campaign was

conspiring with the russians so much so they came up with this grand idea to hack into the dnc's emails and that in and of itself would be then a crime. so essentially is that what they were trying to prove? >> if you define a crime and investigate it in that way, then you get a more limited investigation where you are not investigating anything. any contact he or his wife has ever had with a russian which i worry it has become. trish: god forbid you have a white russian at a bar these days. you have to be careful that you don't have any russian friend. such is the world we live in. it's disappointing. we are global. we are international. if you are a business person, knee receiptically you are

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