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thank you so much for coming on. thank you for having us in your homes. thank you for watching. "lou dobbs" is next right here on the fox business network. have a good night. ♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. the red storm has arrived. china carrying out acts of espionage and war. aggressively targeting the u.s. military and defense contractors in massive cyberattacks over the past five years. and without cyber counter attacks from the united states. without any response whatsoever, it appears. our intelligence agents asleep, perhaps helpless as the world's largest nation is at this very moment steal some of our most secret sensitive technology. threatening america's status as
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the world's only super power with the aid of trillions of u.s. dollars in intellectual property stolen over the past several decades. we take it up with matt gaidz, gordomatt gaetz. president to lead the nation in secure america's border. the republican senator leader mitch mcconnell and other senate republicans say they're open to the idea of limiting the president's use of emergency declarations. president trump says his declaration is about one thing, making america safe. >> this is really a vote not on constitutionally. not on precedent. this is a vote on border security and drugs and trafficking and all of that. and i think most republican senators fully understand that. i think it's bad for a republican senator, and i also think it's bad for a democrat
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senator to vote against border security and to vote against the wall. i think if they vote that way it's a very bad thing for them long into the future. lou: we take up the president's commitment to secure the border and the failure of the republican party in congress to respond to the demands of the president and the american people. republican national committee chair ronna mcdonnell, republican sphrat gist ed rollins, economist and philosopher thomas sole among our guests. president trump announcing he's grounding 737 max 8 jetliners after deadly crashes in ee ethiopia and indonesia. >> we're issuing an emergency order to ground all flights of the 737 max 8 and the 737 max 9. boeing is an incredible company. they are working very hard right
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now. and hopefully they'll very quickly come up with the answer. but until they do, the planes are grounded. lou: we address the president's decisive action and his order. the likely consequences of it all here tonight. our top story, the red storm is here. china launching major cyberattacks against the u.s. military and defense contractors without a counter strike by the united states. many agencies politicized by the obama administration, they utterly failed to carry out affective counter intelligence operations against china and rusrussia. after years of neglect president trump demanded better performance from these intelligence agencies and cybersecurity forces. while the president succeeded in changing the course of events, much more is required. no better example than the chinese tech giant huawei which has become the to kus of the u.r
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intelligence focuses. huawei has quietly and without interruption effectively become an force of fiber optic cables through which the world's internet traffic travels. they i've built or upgraded 90 under-sea fiber optic cables. but u.s. excel slens has come ue up with no strategy to counter the intelligence and can only worry that they can divert or spy across data crossing all of the lines. joining us know, the fight for control of the global internet grid as well as the u.s. navy now under siege by chinese cyberattacks, congressman matt gaetz, member of the how judiciary and armed services committees. great to have you with us. this is an extraordinarily disturbing report. >> it is. lou: that this country for five
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years has done absolutely nothing, nothing effectively to counter the attacks, cyberattacks by the chinese in particular. >> president trump is the first president in the modern era to understand the fusion between china's military and strategic interests and the economic game that they have played with fools in the united states for kek decades. china is not our friend and they're becoming a more dangerous enemy. many of you viewers wouldn't know that today china is connecting rural america to tellly communications system. here's how they do it. they don't have an innovative sector of the economy. they've replaced invasion with theft. they steal intellectual property from american inventors. they don't have the upfront reserng costs so they're able to sell that cheap in the u.s. if you're a rural community and you want connectivity, you're taking the cheapest option.
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just yesterday we got an admission that the principle rural communications professional soash allows huawei to have a seat on their board. can you believe this, lou, a foreign company having a seat on the board of the people connecting our country to information. this is a very serious issue. president trump imposed $50 billion in tariffs on chinese intellectual property for this ran. but as you've laid out, this is not just an economic battle, this is a battle with national security and strategic consequences. lou: and those consequences are becoming more dire with each passing day. we know that the chinese are stealing and have been stealing hundreds of billions of dollars a year in intellectual property and technology from this country, as you say, laying a foundation for another super power with which to contend at our expense. it's mindless. it goes on. wwe're negotiating apparently nw
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in our trade tacks with china to please, pretty please with sugar on it, don't steal our stuff up stead of showing them what happens when you do steal our stuff. >> absolutely right, lou. and when you look at the attacks that china has put on the supply chain in our defense industries, they're going after our areas of most significant importance. also keep an eye on china as the venezuela situation unfoldses. china has substantial assets in venezuela. i don't think they have assets there because they're betting on the future of venezuela. i think they want assets because it's geopolitically stra teej ing for them to have a force multiplier or capabilities in the western hemisphere close to us. we've got to keep a close eye on that. lou: for the same reasons that russia is still maintaining cuba and also taking the security force to ven venezuela to protet
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maduro. maduro is, without question, in place for a while so long as the russia forces are protecting prg him. your thoughts about the future? >> i don't want to see u.s. troops on the ground in latin america. but i do think that we cannot allow these foreign actor to come into the western hemisphere with no consequence. your opening of the segment you raised the right question. what are we going to do right now. we've got to create coalitions that keep china contained. they have a one belt, one road strategy that is a strategy for global come innocence from china. we've got to wake up to that threat. by the way, while democrats can't stop telling their russia lies unfounded, the real strategic competitor we have is china. china is laughing at the democrats who want to keep us focused on russia instead of the real activity that's going on that threatens americans. lou: and the radical dimms want to do everything they can do
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subvert this president in the face of all of these existential strategic challenges from china, from russia or iran. matt gaetz, always good to have you with us. thank you, congressman. up ahead, we take up the rise of the radical left and their socialist ideas with economist thomas sole. plus, president trump reminds the rinos and the radical dimms what his national emergency declaration is all about. >> the massive surging flow of illegal immigration, trafficking drugs and crime threaten the safe and and security of all americans. lou: we take that up and more of the right. rnc chairman ronna mcdaniel joins us here next.
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them in the republican party, folding on the president's national emergency declaration. mitch mcconnell whining saying this, quote, there's a lot of discomfort with the law, not that the president doesn't have the authority to do what he's doing. now what in the world does that mean. and today senate mike lee becomes the fifth republican to announce in the senate that he will vote against the president likely forcing a veto.
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joining me now, rnc chair ronna mcdaniel, who is, i think, the best head of the rnc in deck de. good to see you. >> thank you. always good to be here. lou: explain to me, in your party, these rinos -- and i say that with adds much disgus as mi can emanate. they are ridiculous in their thinking, their performance and failure to support a president. in most cases, that's the only reason these people have been reelected. >> i will tell you, i've been traveling the country. i'm in touch with the grass roots. i'm also in touch with the donor ps they're saying to me, democrats do one thing, they're in lock step together all of the time. why didn't we do that as a party. obviously there's room for discussion. but we all ran on border security, we all recognized that we had an immigration issue. all of these senators recognize that. we know the president is doing the right thing to keep our
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country safe. he needs to be supported. lou: i will tell you separating up every senate who votes against this should absolutely be removed from office. i think the rnc should work to get rid of them because they're stand in the way of a president who is the most successful in the first two years of his presidency since fdr. and it's that straightforward. >> i will say i've heard a lot of feedback from our voters and they're saying why can't our people support our president. we elected him. it's going to be an issue for those who are especially up in 2020. our president deserves support, he ran on this. and by the way, he is congressionally allotted the power to declare a national emergency. this is something that he's doing well within his capacity as president. lou: it's a 43-year-old act. >> and it's been used 58 times since then. but we also have a serious problem at the border. lou: a national emergency. there's no. >> he ran it. we know it's a problem.
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what, 268,00,000 people so far e been a apprehended at the border this year, up 300%. lou: we're looking at a million that will be apprehend. we're looking a the the ratio of those apprehended to not apprehended. there could be four million illegal immigrants cross our border this year and these damn fools are saying there isn't a crisis at the border? >> the president is going to veto this. it's going to the house. they won't have enough to override it. it's going to go forward. i do think as i travel, it's the one thing i hear. why do dsm democrats always stik together and why can't republicans stick with the president. lou: talking about paul rhyne, , what kind of ignoramus is he? >> he has backtrackeds. it took 24 hours. here's the reality. what do we want? do we want -- lou: i want people like ryan the
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h rks lerk ll out ofell out of . ryan did nothing but lie to the president, lie to the american people and represent the chamber of commerce every day. why is he considered? i'm glad he's backtracked. he's done the right thing. we need to support or president, the president by the way who has added jobs, grown wages, cut regulation, taken 0 on our national security, made us stronger, taken on isis. lou: one hell of a president. >> he deserves our support. we want him to win again. look at where the democrats are. every time you attack the president, you're helping the democrats. have a disagreement, pick up the phone, call the president but let's make sure we recognize the end game. we want to he elect donald trump. we want to return our majority to the snit an senate and we wan the house back. lou: let me get your sense of
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things right now. this president working every day. elizabeth: single handily to save off his attackers in the left-wing national media, the radical dimms and the rinos in his own pa party. what more can the republican party do, how can you turn it around, fight for this president, make it clear, i'm talking about in the house, senator, governors across this country, starting fighting for this president. this is ignorance. the witch hunt. the bizarre revelations that can't to this day. the only ones that have been found culpable in this collusion bull have been the investigators. >> and fusion gps and the democratic party who paid them and hillary clinton. i mean, this is just ridiculous. lou: so why can't the republicans turn the table? >> the 168rnc members recently put a unanimous resolution forward supporting the president.
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the rnc is in lock step supporting this president. i work with them every day. it's because of the great things he's done to save our country. he's taken on every single obstacle. so many head winds coming against him and we need to rally about this president because he's make our country great gn. lou: he's single handeds edly gutted the premise of the democratic party. he's raised employment for minorities, hispanics, asians, women. we has the economy growing at 3%. he's unwound all of the regulation that was put in plac. >> and the judges. just from the republican standpoint, look at what he's done to the bench with gorsuch, kavanaugh, the circuit court judges. that will transform or nation. we need to support the president. i hear it all of the time from gragrass roots. 22 are up in 20 to.
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they've got to support this president. lou: do you call a chuck grassley who's lo lost his mind, mike lee who's lost his, ted cruz? >> i'm not going to share my conversations. i'm not going to share on tv. but listen, here's what i'm hearing in the grass roots. here's what i'm hearing from the donors. they're very upset and they say time and time again why do democrats stand in line together and why can't can do that for this president. lou: and this from one of the president's greatest defenders and advocates, not just a defender, an advocate and an important one. thanks so much. >> thank for having me. lou: ronna mcdaniel leading the party and i hope the damn fools follow. >> i hope so too. thank you. lou: good to see you. ronna mcdonnell. we'd like to hear your thoughts about all of this. share you comments, follow me on twittetwitter @loudobbs.
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the radical dimms say they witch hunt will go on no matter what the special counsel finds, no matter what robert mueller says about the facts, the hell with all of that. they're going to continue pitch hunts and more witch hunts. ed rollins joins me next with all of that and much more. before we go to break we want to maktake an amusing look at the national debt, $22 trillion and climbing. uh-oh. we'll be right back after this. stay with us. to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing it's best
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lou: well another witch hunt investigation of the president. the department of justice investigating, are you ready for this, whether 100,000 dollars donation to president trump's reelection committee in 2016 was made by a foreign donor. the donation suddenly under scrutiny by the department of justice as it was allegedly from
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a fugitive malaysian businessman. two years later and suddenly somebody -- you can't make this stuff up. joining me now were former right. white house political director, leading national republican strategist, fox business political analyst, ed rollins. ed, great to see you. >> thank you r. lou: i so enjoyed talk to ronna mcdaniel. if the republican party were ledz by folks like her, the democrats could fold up and go home. >> she's a great role model. she was a great party person in michigan. and my sense is he's done a superb job. this is absurd. we had one of the best election lawyers, mccann, chairman of the fcc. lou: the question about the 100,000 dollars. >> he knew every law. and the yd that the president is supposed to know everything that goes on in his campaign, it'ses not the way it works. you have lawyers, people look at it. lou: but we're two years wond r
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beyond. >> and then when they never touched hillary clinton -- bill clinton had them, she had them -- lou: when are the republicans going to say aye ha i've had a y full, no more of the nonsense, go on the attack and by god at least make it fair. >> we need to do it. and again and again -- lou: republicans keep saying it but they didn't. >> they would rather fight amongst themselves. lou: it's time for the car lynns tdaredarlingsto get out of the . >> to decide you're going to change the law. this law was put in by the democrats. it's ridiculous. they ought to decide this is his priority. lou: let's not give it more time than we need to. it's just stupid. let's talk about mitch mcconnell. he apparently once undercut the president on his issue of the
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emergency declaration. his powers to declare an emergency. what in the world is this man thinking? >> he's trying to play to his little group that he has there and it's ridiculous. when i was in the white house i used to handle the emergency -- it could be anything from a flood to a fire to what have you. it's important to have the president react quickly as he did today on the boeing thing. we have a crisis on the border. congress will not act. this president has to act then they have to basically give him the money to do what he has to do. and mcconnell ought to be leading the charge on that. lou: mcconnell doesn't seem to lead anything except the rinos who want to undercut this president and to align himself with the idea of cutting back this president's powers right now. where would we do if we didn't have a president who was decisive, strong, knew where he wanted to take the country. >> we'd be in terrible shape. it's hard enough as it is to make this game work.
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lou: listen to these names. rinos -- i don't know if we've got a full screen of it. but it's revealing. susan collins, tom tillis, rand paul, mike lee, all of them excentric, unreliable rinos who are not deep thinkers. let's be really straightforward about this. they seem to come out of the woodwork every instance in which you need to vote and they use their votes in a way to differentiate between themselves and the republican party. >> when you have a small majority whereby which we do, you have to have every single vote. you're going to find the same five or six names for the next two years, every major issue that the president needs, they'll be cutting their own deals and not voting with him. they need to vote with him. this is his agenda, their agenda, they all ran on it and we need to get it done.
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lou: ryan attacking the president yesterday and today tries to walk it back like nothing happened. this is the most disgusting, appalling political figure on capitol hill. >> i assume he got the daylights beat out of him when he came out about the statement on the president a couple of days ago. he wants clarity because he's getting beat up on. lou: what are you talking about? >> he basically said one statement the other day that he wouldn't win on his personality. he has to work on policies. the policies being his policies. the bottom line is trump won on the strength of his -- lou: he came out today. >> that's what i'm saying. lou: he's so ignorant, dense and out of touch. why in the world. >> he's no longer there and we shouldn't have to listen to him anymore. lou: i agree. where do i sign up for that. >> right here at fox. lou: please, no. say it's not true. let's gho to i go to the full sl
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quickly. no, let's not. we haven't got time for that. ed, give u a thought on how he's going to waind u wind up the emy deck las vegas ration. >decoration. >> he's going to lose. nothing wrong with vetoing. it's a good place to draw your line in the sand and fight, fighting for the border wall. that's the key thing. lou: if we've got a full screen i want to put this up for mitch mcconnell's benefit. if we could put up the trump versus mcconnell in kentucky. the president has a 53% approval rating, mcconnell has a 33% and for the life of me i don't know how he got 33%. ed rollins, thank you very much. >> it's pretty obvious. lou: yes, it is. it should be, you would think. >> you would think. lou: but usually that's only fo. ed, thanks so much. up next, china yiezing
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companies like huawei to infiltrate key digital infrastructure posing significant threat to the united states. 's guesand guess what, the unitd states fl now not doing anything about it. gordan chang and morgan wright join me after the break with much more. stay with us. ♪ ♪ i can do more to lower my a1c.
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lou: president trump grounding all boeing 737 max 8 and 9 aircraft in the united states until more information is gathered about the cause of a deadly ethiopian crash. the faa also saying enhanced satellite images and new evidence found at the scene of the ethiopian air crash led to the president's decision. former trump campaign chairman paul manafort sentenced in washington, d.c. to an additional 43 months in jail. priest convictions in virginia
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means manafort will spend a total of nearly seven years behind bars. at the uk's house of commons rejected the idea of leaving the european union without a brexit deal in place. on the other hand they don't have a brexit plan in place, so they vote again tomorrow on whether britain's official departure date could be extended until beyond march 29th. in other words the establishment is winning the war against a popular vote in the united kingdom. quite a mess. joining us tonight, morgan wright, former senior adviser in the state department's antiterrorism assistance program, former law enforcement adviser to the rnc cybersecurity expert and columnist author, asian expert gordon chang. good to have you with us. let me start with first this undersea battle that we just reported on here tonight. and morgan, we're talking about 25%. china is in control of 25% of
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undersea cables, fiber optic in the world. >> look. and it's growing too. they're just completing a 7500-mile project to connect europe, asia and africa. 95% of all intercontinental data, data that flows between, goes over undersea cables. they're in a position where they're control at least one-first of all of the informatioone-fourth of all of e information going around the world. these guys have the keys to the kingdom now. and they're underbidding everyone who is involved. this is how they're using the state banks to win these deals. what they're doing is buying espionage. lou: gordon, why isn't the united states -- first of all, why did we permit it and secondly, why are we doing nothing right now. >> well this president is trying to do something about what the chinese have been doing. you know, we found out, for
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instance, last october that tel-aviv university professor, they told us that china telecom has been diverting internet traffic from the united states and canada into china where they've been surveilling it and taking it. clearly this is not just a theoretical concern. lou: it's almost become, like the commercial, the security guard talks about he monitors, he doesn't stop. the intelligence agencies of this country are a laughingstock attacking a sitting president while permitting china and russia and iran and god knows who else to just simply run over the united states, steal our intellectual property, our technology, to rifle through the files as they will of the u.s. government and major corporations. morgan, why is there no retaliation?
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>> you know, that's a good question and that gets down into the politics of it. lou, last time i think we talked, one of the things i was adamant on, the way we attack these guys, we have go after them in a way like economically and put people like huawei and zte out of business so they can no longer supply the infrastructure being used to under cut us. we ought to be on the offense right now and taking these guys -- we did it with the sale to 3 come, sprint kept them out of the network. there are ways that we can go after this. but it takes political will and one man, even the president, cannot do this along. it still requires the support of congress. lou: and they almost went into our financial markets taking over the chicago mercantile exchange. but that was stopped by this administration. what in the world is it going to take here to understand, for our national leadership, you know, wall street, corporate america, to understand that they have got
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to start supporting this nation and react? >> one of the reasons why we don't have stronger cybersecurity laws and better defenses is because the business lobby has tried to water down every propoems that has gotten to congress. and by the way, lou, yes, it's great that the administration stopped the chicago stock exchange acquisition by china but we know that the chinese are coming after us again because in these trade talks that we now have with beijing, they want to be able to access and participate in our electronic payment system, which again would put them into the backbone. lou: what are we to do? and the question rises, why in the world would we be in trade talks with a country, morgan, that is attacking our military, attacking our corporations, our financial markets every day? >> look, the rand corporation just did a war game study. what they found out is that if world war ii were fight right
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now the russians and the chinese would hand us our collective rarrear ends. we're not prepare. they keep hitting the snooze button on the wake-up calls. how many wake-up calls will it take? it doesn't get worse than the report that came out released to the navy security talking about the pathetic state of cybersecurity and the defense industrial base, the contractors who are bleeding intellectual property and secrets to the chinese. that they'vwhat they've done is. guess what, all courtesy of the united states and our pathetic cybersecurity in this defense industrial base. lou: why, gordon, isn't this country talking about this? why aren't we doing something? why are we engaging in trade talks when we should be having actually frankly truce talks? because we need to retaliate
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against any aggressor. even obama put out a declaration that we would consider these attacks an act of war. >> yeah. and what we've seen in the national security -- lou: he didn't do anything. >> he didn't do anything. i mean we had that agreement with she jinping. we don't want to go there. okay. clearly the national security strastrategy of president trumpa landmark document because he names the chinese and the russians. lou: now we've got everybody named, we know who the enemies are. what are we going to do about it and what is it going to take to defend the assets of this country and this country? >> first of all, as morgan said, you go after their economy. they're weak right now. also these tariffs that the president has put on, the section 30 is traifs. lou: tariffs. lou: look at russia and iran,
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every coun country that we've pt sanctionsanctions on, it's had o effect. russia has headed 100icbms for their submarine force. what are we thinking here? >> the budget was released ap 750 billion for the department of defense and the people are screaming. it's 5% increase. you want to know what's expensive? not a 5% increase in the defense budget. fighting a war that we're unprepared for and that is world war iii. some say it could be by the mid 20s. it's not that we're spending the right amount on it. we're not spending enough. lou: we're not complaining about the expense. i applaud the president and his rebuilding our military. i am talking about what are we to do now. the fact of the matter is we don't have sufficient numbers of cruise missiles.
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we don't have sufficient ordnance, a sufficient fleet, surface force that would keep up with the chinese. >> one thing is we disengage from the chinese committee because or commerce gives them the proceeds in which they build up their military. that's the first start. and the president is starting do that. we've got a long way go but we're going on the road. lou: morgan wright, you get the last word here. >> if you think hiring a professional is en expensive, wt until you hire an amateur. trump is on the right path, spend more money during peacetime to get the third offset. we've g got to change. as long as we let them steal our artificial intel slens we'll be on the losing end of the next engagement. lou: and the very people of who they're stealing the intellectual property are on the other side. in most of these instances they've got to end their roles
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as it has been put unregistered foreign agents and start thinking as americans. thank you very much, gore man. good to see you. appreciate. up next, the radical left's embrace of socialism and what it means for well, her future, maybe the future of the country. think about that. thomas sole joins me after the break. we'll take that up and much more. stay with us.
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sole, author of the important new book, discrimination and disparities. and i urge you to consider reading every page of it. a fascinating book from a fascinating thinker. good to have you with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. glad to be here. lou: it's an honor to have you. i want to get a few of your thoughts tonight about the idea of discrimination. and i love your analysis of various iterations of
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discrimination also starting with informed critical judgment. >> there's an awful lot to be said about discrimination. one of the problems is that people seem to assume that in the absence of discrimination, people would be more less proportionately represented and that goes against logic and evidence. i can read reames of statements by people with the social justice vision and never find a single example of where there's any country anywhere in the world where people are proportionately represented in any endeavor unless the government has put out explicit quotas. lou: and the truth of the matter is, when this president -- when president trump talks about amir tookcy replacing our current immigration system, your reaction to it. because to me it makes all of the sense in the world that it should be mere tishes.
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>> yes, because that's how the whole standard of living is produced. it's not produced by imagining -- you know, there are groups who have specific skills who are just tremendous in some particular things. and almost any group there's some activity in which they not only hold their own but excel. so this theory that they should all be -- take the demographics alone. why should we expect the jewish, japanese americans, mormons all of whom who have median ages around 50 that they should be proportionately represented in baseball with hispanics with the average age in the 20s. 50-year-old men don't play baseball as well as men in their 20s. lou: and none of us seem to get better at it as we age. >> absolutely. lou: i want to turn to alexandria ocasio-cortez. she has thunder struck the
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national media. she's become something of a darling advocate for socialism. and she stands in marked contrast to the lights going out in venezuela, cuba still locked up in a stasis of seven decades in which there is no improvement in the standard of living. it's an utterly failed system everywhere it has been attempted in this hemisphere. >> this is the scariest thing about the great enthusiasm for socialism. it's happening while people are literally starving in venezuela, desperately fleeing to other countries, looting stores for food. socialism is a wonderful sounding idea. i was once a marxist myself as a young man. it's only as i began to study facts that i became appalled at what actually happens. what's projected sounds
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wonderful. but what baffles me is why people don't look at any facts anymore or a great number don't. lou: the absence of facts, it afflicts our media greatly, the empirical is almost irrelevant and an opinion often not tethereds at all to any facts has become the order of the day as they attack this president and all that he's accomplished. your thoughts. >> well, you know, one of the things that strikes me, so much of what is said about, for example, the top 10% or the top 20% or the top 400, most people don't realize that just over half of all americans are going to be in the top 10% of income at some point in their lives. so when they talk about this group, this is an ongoing set of people, rather than a constantly changing mixture. most americans do not stay in the 20% of the income spread
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from one decade to the next and yet we talk about his people as if it's the same people who are in all of these decades. one of the things i discovered is that the internal revenue service data show that over a 23-year period there are 4500 people in the top 400. lou: thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. come back soon, please. >> thanks. there's a jet! ..
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