, tax remittance payment s is the big thing. lou: absolutely. couldn't agree with you more kayleigh mcenany, vince coglianese, thank you both. tomorrow we hope you'll join us, thanks for being with us tonight , and goodnight, from new york. >> the crisis is a direct result of the obstruction by democrats in congress, and we have to do something about it. it's a colossal surge, and it's overwhelming our immigration system, and i'm totally willing to close the border. trish: tonight, the president of the united states calling attention to an immigration crisis the likes of which the homeland security secretary equates to a cat five hurricane. that's how significant it is considered. border patrol apprehending more than 100,000 illegal migrants at our southern border just last month alone. think about that. it's staggering. okay. so let's just employ a little bit of common sense just for a

minute here considering these stag oring numbers. lord knows we could use a little common sense right now. more than 100,000 foreigners are illegally crossing our border within 30-day stretch, and then they're disappearing into our country. it is not good. but you want to know what else is not good? this idea perpetuated by the media and by the democratic party that somehow we're in an all or nothing environment when it comes to immigration. you know, it shouldn't be that hard. really shouldn't. i mean, step one, secure our border. add a wall. add surveillance. administer border patrol. and -- add more border patrol. step two, attack the laws on the books and reform them so that america makes it easy for foreigners who are good people, who are hard working people that want to be american and aren't looking for handouts from american taxpayers to come here. we need them. we need immigrants. we want them.

no one is disputing that. but if you listen to the democrats, is some of whom are disgustingly comparing the president's desire to secure our borders as akin to the third reich in nazi germany -- yeah, nuts, right? we're going to tackle that later in the program. you'd think conservatives absolutely hated immigrants which is a pathetic oversimply case and an unjust characterization, if you would, of this entire issue. yes, there are bad people trying to infiltrate our country. the dems need to recognize that, and they need to deal with that. and, yes, there are wonderful people that want to be in our country for the right reasons, and we want them. to suggest that the administration's policies are anti-immigrant is nothing but political posturing. the president offering to make daca people citizens. the dems turned their back on that. think about it.

they turned their back, they walked away from that. why? because it doesn't serve them politically. i mean, why would they allow the republicans to be credited with extending citizenship to millions? they have no intention of allowing that. no intention because they want to hoard and save that entire group of voters to themselves. they want that group of voters to be dependent, dependent on democratic politicians for citizenship and for basic necessariesties. let -- necessities. let them in and keep them on a dependent, short leash. yes, that's the economic and political agenda of so many democrats right now. sad, right? but here's the reality, and this is the future, i predict that if the trump administration stays focused, this administration may be the first one to address immigration in a meaningful and positive way, a way that will matter for years to come.

this president, yeah, donald trump, and the republican party might if actually just be the first to lock down our borders while opening up america to the best, to the brightest, to the hardest working citizens from all over the world. it's high time we accomplish all of that. and we can. joining me right now, vice president of the border patrol counsel. good to see you, art. he was down there today --? >> thank you, trish. trish: he's going to use these emergency funds to get the wall built. democrats don't want that to happen. i look at this, and i think there's a hot of political charades going on right now because, as i said, it's not that hard. people should want immigration reform. they should want borders. in fact, democrats once wanted them. but why do they keep refusing to engage with the president here?

>> well, trish, first and foremost, i want to commend you. listening to the entire opening of this show, every single point you've made is fantastic, and you're on point. that is the truth. we have a president that wants to secure or borders and at the same time he has offered to have some kind of -- to give some type of permanent status to some of the daca recipients. and i think that's something people need to pay attention to. you know, i was just recently speaking at a university that i was invited to, and there were certain protesters there, and that's one of the issues they were bringing up, is the daca. well, you know, you've got to look at some of these congressional leaders and ask them what is it they plan on doing it. the reality is right now we are having a crisis at the southern border, there's a lot of individuals finding loopholes and coming into the country illegally. and what that is causing is it's causing, you know, some type of a stoppage on the individuals that have real claims, on the

individuals that do want to come to the unite because they have legitimate reasons to want to come here. trish: exactly. and there's plenty of good people out this. for them to try to paint the administration or conservatives overall as being anti-immigrant, i think, is a huge mistake. because people will eventually see through all that. and this might actually be the party that gets something done when it comes to immigration. the other thing is the two are not mutually exclusive. you can have strong borders while simultaneously having an immigration system that welcomes people from all over the world, the right kind of people, can't you? >> no, that is 100% correct. i mean, i have family that are immigrants that have come here, you know? there's a legal process, and, you know, there's a wrong way to do it. and that's the biggest misconception that a lot of people are out there trying to profess, is that they believe that border patrol agents, they believe that this president and they believe that certain people

because of their political beliefs are anti-immigrant -- trish: hey, the democrats want to get rid of i.c.e., right? >> there's a big difference between legal and illegal. i'm very much for immigration. i'm against illegal immigration. trish: see, yeah, it's not that hard. and i actually think that there could be some good stuff that comes out of this, but it's going to require the democrats to actually get their act together and stop all the political charades, as i said. you've been invited down to the border, haven't you, art? >> i have an open invitation out here in arizona to any politician that wants to come down here. i'm willing to take anyone out there and show 'em, you know, what's going on in our southern border and a lot of the issues that border patrol agents are having to face each and every day. trish: the democrats aren't visiting, right? republicans come down there, but nobody on the democratic side wants to because, again, politics. [laughter] i don't want to have to --

>> the invitation's open to anyone who -- trish: i do it a lot, i play all the sound, we're not going to do it, maybe later in the show. it amazes me, right? all the democrats over the years, you can go back to the 1990s with dianne feinstein saying we're not going to be the welfare system for mexico. this was once an issue that was important to them until it became important to donald trump. i guess that's how it goes. >> i think -- trish, i think what we need to do is figure out if our anger towards one individual in the president is more important than the security of the nation's borders. trish: well put. all right, thank you. the sheriff, everyone, on the largest border county in the united states is putting the crisis in very blunt, specific terms while speaking alongside the president just hours ago. listen to this. >> anyone who would suggest that we do not have a crisis on our southern border is being intellectually dishonest to the point of being dishonest with malice.

we have a humanitarian crisis which is clear and compelling. we have a compelling crisis of public safety with human trafficking, drug trafficking, sex trafficking coming up through the border. this is not make believe. trish: intellectually dishonest. or politically expedient, i guess. joining me now, former acting i.c.e. director, tom homan. good to see you, sir. is that what they're doing, politically expedient and intellectually dishonest? >> i think it goes even further than that. i think art summed it up very well. they hate this president so much, they're putting their hatred of this president over their responsibility to secure the border. they're not stupid. they know there's a crisis. they said there wasn't caravans, it was a manufacturedded crisis. they have to be watching the video and seeing the data. this has to be about resisting trump. trish: in the meantime, the people they're supposed to care about, their constituents --

whether it be americans that voted for them or whether it be daca people who would like an opportunity to have some kind of path forward, the president actually offered that, and they basically, you know, told him to take a hike. you know, i look at this and say, my goodness, they want to paint him as this racist -- we're going to get into this later, because there's been some comparisons to the third reich as it relates to immigration -- [laughter] which is so preposterous. but this is what their narrative is, right? and so they're going to use this to try and feed that narrative as opposed to recognize the challenge we face and try and help people that might be here for some good reasons. >> not only that, this is just not about american lives either. when you entice people, when you fail to close the loopholes that entice people to come to this country, when you talk about abolishing i.c.e., you push sanctuary cities, you're enticing people to put

themselves in the hands of criminal generations. one-third of women are raped. children are treated terribly. if they really cared about these people, then they need to close the loopholes that entice these people to make this dangerous journey and fix the immigration system. i mean, instead of wanting to abolish i.c.e. for enforcing the laws that you enacted, how about you do your job and fix what you think is wrong. trish: yeah, i hear you. frankly, i don't think there's enough reporting on this issue from the mainstream media, in part because they don't want to, so they're not seeing enough of the crisis that's actually unfolding and and the humanitarian issues. but one of our contributors did go down to the border and reported for fox this week. he needed to wear a bulletproof vest, and he did, and what happened? he got trolled by the likes of alexandria ocasio-cortez who was online making all kinds of fun of him for wearing a vest. let me ask you, do you wear a vest when you're down on that border?

and did he do the right thing? >> every border patrol agent wears a vest and a gun. it's a dangerous job. and even with i.c.e. it's a rule of both agencies when you have a ride-along or a reporter, they have to wear a vest. because it's dangerous. that's why i.c.e. agents carry guns and wear bulletproof vests. if ocasio-cortez doesn't believe that, the national law enforcement memorial, see the several hundred names of border patrol agents and i.c.e. agents who died defending this nation. another thing about aoc, she needs to look in the mirror. i've been up on capitol hill probably 200 times last decade, and you've got to walk through a bidding with hundreds of armed -- building with hundreds of armed officers, metal detectors. she's protected and that's fine. but let's not protect the people on the dangerous border. it's ridiculous. you know, she's been a congresswoman for three months and everything she says is wrong with. she needs to educate herself. it's a dangerous job. people have died on that border.

we did exactly the right thing. that reporter was brave to be down there to begin with. when you enter your office monday morning, aoc, look around. you're surrounded by hundreds of officers protecting you. trish: well, she's young, inexperienced and not that smart, tom -- >> that's a nice way to put it. trek trish not that smart. [laughter] but with a very big mouth. okay, i'll leave it at that. tom, good to see you, thank you so much. coming up, everyone, the left's level of hate for president trump really reaching a new level here as absurdity, total, utter absurdity. just when you think it can't get any more irresponsible, find out what new york times opinion column paul drug match, who's never -- krugman, who's never been a fan of the president, is now saying tonight about what the president is responsible for. and speaking of absurdity, i guess the way to stand out in the 2020 race is to make the

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a scare tactic? certainly sounds like it. i mean, probably. after all, this is the same writer that predicted on election night, when it was clear who had won, that, quote, if the question is when markets will recover, a first pass answer is never. well, mr. krugman, for the record, since election day the dow's up 45%, s&p's up 35% and the nasdaq, what do you know, is 53%. so you know what? paul krugman doesn't have a clue. nonetheless, as a columnist for "the new york times"es, he does have a voice which is why his kind of foolish absurdity, his political hackness -- which is what it is -- has crossed the line into total recklessness. joining me right now trump 2020 campaign advisory board member madison, and former hillary clinton campaign advise e, antjuan seawright. it's good to see both of you. madison, one of the reason i like the study of economics is

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mentioned in your monologue, but he also says if you eat meat, you drink water, you breathe air, there's a real sense in which donald j. trump is trying to kill you. [laughter] how could they even publish something like this? trish: is it click bait? that's the kind of world we live in, they want people to click on that article and share that article? the more outrageous and irresponsible the headline, the better off they're going to do? >> trish, i'm very careful with the words i use, but i will say this, i think people will argue -- i'm one of those included -- that some of trump's policy positions and his policy agenda can be very hurtful, harm and be very dangerous for a certain group of people -- trish: all right. you think he's trying to kill us? >> trish, i live in south carolina where we have closed five rural hospitals because people refuse to expand medicaid or go after the affordable care act. what that means, when people to

drive an hour to a hospital -- trish: okay, so you agree with -- >> veterans know a lot about that as a result of liberal policies. >> i'll give you another example. when trump's budget -- >> why don't you address what i just said to you? >> because i want to finish my thought. $1,000 to help people with affordable housing, when he wants to eliminate programs that help kids eat meals, it could lead to death. trish: what about policies that actually result in the lowest unemployment rate we have seen since they've been watching this stuff? when you look at the women's unemployment rate which was recorded today, 3.3%, that's the low since 1953. and, by the way, there weren't a lot of women working or wanting to work back then. when you talk about all this, remember, you have an economy that's thriving, and why is it thriving? because we've got policy for the first time in decades that matters. >> trish, the economy's thriving

for some. there are still people working two jobs, forget about trying to make ends meet, they're putting two ends together. there are people working multiple jobs -- trish: and i don't disagree with that. but you're glass half full or half empty on this one, and it sounds like you're fully empty. hey, why don't you take a stab at what madison was saying. what was your question about veterans? >> yeah, long waiting lines and people not being able to obtain health care, and it's something our veterans experienced for years going on in the v.a., and that's much better now. and i'd like to make one comment on the economy as well. you bring up so many good points, lowest up employment for women in 65 years, ever for minorities. the economy's booming. and not only are people getting jobs, but they're getting good, high quality jobs. they're transferring from lower paying jobs they had like retail and leisure to manufacturing and

warehousing. we're seeing a huge shift in the labor market. no, the work is not done. it's just beginning. we've only been here two years in this administration. but guess what? i can't wait to see what happens in the next two, six years. >> we'll see, to address your veteran -- trish: nearly 200,000 jobing with added. okay, take a quick hit g the veterans agency has been a problem for a very long time, republicans and democrats, so any improvement because my father served, i'm all for it. >> amen, i'm with you. trish: likewise. madison, antjuan, good to see you guys. 2020 democrats trying to outdo themselves with one outrageous comments after the next. find out which historical figure they're attempting to compare to now. and tonight, it marks the beginning of a new cold war. reports surfacing that russia is sending more troops to venezuela in an attempt to prop up the heinous, brutal socialist

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trish: and, okay, as if that's not enough, julian castro, who's another desperate politician, is now piling on. >> it's clear what he's tried to do, the president's tried to do is to dehumanize, to otherwise-ize these immigrants. it's very clear we have a president who is bound and termed to create a fear and paranoia about them. trish: come on! i mean, don't make me play all the tape of the democrats begging for border security over the years again, although i've got it queued up. joining me now, niger innis and doug schoen. good to see both. >> good to see you, trish. trish: my goodness, they just won't stop, and e e find it historically just so wrong and culturally insulting, frankly, to anyone who lost a family member during those horrific

world war ii years, whether it was in a nazi germany concentration camp or whether it was a family member who fought to free germany. i mean, you got these guys out there, these young guys trying to say that the administration is the equivalent of the third reich? come on. >> well, i guess -- i come at it a slightly different way but reach the same conclusion, trish. i am proud that our embassy is now, because of president trump, in jerusalem. i'm proud that this week he recognized the sovereignty of the state of israel over the golan heights. to compare a president who has a 95% approval rating in israel to someone who has anything to do with nazi germany is, to me, ridiculous. and on immigration, call jeh

johnson, obama's secretary for homeland security, who said we have a crisis at the border, a acknowledging what the president said. what we need is immigration reform, not crazy, absurd rhetoric. trish: yeah. you know, as i started off the show what i was saying was they're not -- you can have immigration reform, and you can have border security. i mean, actually, you should have both. they go hand in hand. >> absolutely. trish: democrats right now, niger, are saying, no, no, if you want border security, then somehow you're racist against hispanics that would want to come here. no! you can have strong borders while simultaneously inviting people to come here and participate in our great country, in our great economy. but, you know, make it easier for people to do it the right way. >> some of the folks that want legal immigration wand want

border security more than any other are hispanic-americans. there are polls that are showing that trump's popularity with the hispanic community is going to go through the roof if he's successful at implementing his immigration policy. look, the democratic party -- i can't wait for 2020 because i've got my popcorn out. watching the democratic follies, also known as the presidential campaign, is going to be hysterical. the democratic party of bill clinton circa 1992, of jfk, of rfk, of even jimmy carter in 1976, of doug schoen -- trish: yeah, i was going to say. >> thank you, niger. [laughter] [inaudible conversations] >> that party is long gone. it is buried. it has been replaced by a group of angry, hateful folk who are going to be competing to see who's most crazy. trish: look, doug, you predicted this in your book where you looked at venezuela and the threat of socialism, and you've

predicted thatting or you know, socialism, if we go down that path, it's very hard to recover from that. and that's exactly the path the democratic party's going down. >> i did say it, and i appreciate your acknowledging that, trish, thank you. but i never thought that we would have the maduro/chavez wig of the democratic party -- wing of the democratic party. basically, democrats who embrace cuban or venezuelan-style socialism. it's absurd, demeaning and ridiculous to the values that made our country what it is today. >> and speaking of anti-semitism, you know, this is the same democrat party, they've got the nerve to be hypocrites. this is the same democratic party that could not condemn oman for the anti-semitic statements she's made. there are large segments of the democrat far left-wing constituency, the maduro/that chavez wing of the party that are anti-semitic, that do not believe that israel should exist

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♪ trish: breaking tonight, russia trying to tighten its grip as we speak on venezuela in total defiance of the united states' demand that russia vacate the socialist dick can today to haveship. -- dictatorship. new reports russia is sending even more troops to the region.

you know, not since the cuban missile crisis in 1962 have we had such an enemy presence in our own hemisphere. this cannot and this will not be allowed. vladimir putin, nicolas maduro, you're both on notice. all of this as today marks the 500th day five americans have been held hostage in a caracas prison by nicolas maduro. this is a story we originally broke, and we've continued to report on exclusively right here on "trish regan primetime". the vice president, as i said, they did -- he did, as well as mike pompeo, meet with the american families whose loved ones are being held there, and i spoke with the daughter as well as one of the wifes of one of the hostages there. they've had no communication with their father, with their husband because of the power outages there. so there's a lot of concern that keeps mounting. joining me right now for a look

at how we deal with all of this and how we deal with vladimir putin is former trump deputy national security adviser kt mcfarlane. it is good to see you, ma'am. thank you for coming on the program. >> it's an honor and a pleasure is, and congratulations to you and this prime time success, trish. you go, girl. [laughter] trish: thank you, kt. what's your advice here, and what are you hearing from the administration in terms of how you approach this? because this is, you know, a little different than syria. this is right here in our hemisphere. >> yeah, this is. trish: three hours from miami. and we've got a problem because all the bad guys are there being led, really, by the likes of vladimir putin who's now sending -- we have sources that are saying some special forces into the region and possibly more. kt, how do we get nicolas maduro to go? >> well, first of all, understand that putin doesn't care about venezuela. he doesn't want to get stuck

with that and rebuilding venezuela. when they had cuba, it practically broke them. so what he's doing in venezuela is not establishing a military presence that he wants to build out, he's looking for a bargaining chip. he's looking for leverage. what does he want? in is the 62, as you -- 1962, as you just pointed out, america had put nuclear weapons, missiles in turkey that could be aimed at russia. they responded by sending nuclear weapons to cuba. what did we do, how did we solve it? at the end of the day, the russians left cuba, and we took the missiles out of turkey. i think putin wants a trade. he's doing this because he wants out of ukraine where president trump has been very tough. you know, he imposed new sanctions on the russians, and he's armed the ukrainians with lethal weapons, and putin doesn't like that. trish: okay, so you guys are messing around in my backyard, i'm going the mess around in yours? it's a tit for tat?

>> it's also leverage. trish: okay. knowing that, you know, how do we with approach this? because we, there is a real crisis there, and people are really suffering this right now because whether they don't have food, they don't have water, and they're growing increasingly frustrated, understandably so, because they have a criminal regime there in power that can't keep the lights on. i mean, they can't help them with basic necessities. so how do the people manage to get nicolas maduro out when, you know, the russians are helping to keep him there? >> it was one of the first things that i took up as deputy national security adviser in the trump administration, how do you deal with venezuela -- trish: really? that's very interesting. >> and here's what we concluded. you know, president trump was elected to get out of these forever wars and not keep fighting wars of intervention. what we concluded was that the thing that made the most sense in south america, latin america and particularly in venezuela,

have it be a regional solution. the organization of american states. there are some powerful and wealthy countries in south america that can work together to step up and solve the problem. now, that's really good for a bunch of reasons. it's good for them to show that they can get something done and work together. it's good for us because it gets the conclusion we want without us having to put american troops anywhere near it. and finally, it sends a signal to everybody else that they're capable. the problem though is how do you get rid of maduro -- trish: make him an offer he can't refuse, i guess. go ahead. >> here's the problem with getting rid of any dictator, particularly brutal dictators. they don't want to go because they think their alternative is the international criminal courts and maybe being executed. it's a tragic thing, because maduro needs to be punished beyond belief, but you may not get him out in time. maybe he should go live in cuba. maybe he should get free passage to cuba, and then the rest of the world steps in. trish: right.

but he's probably in a position where he's quite fearful, right? the cubans are only saying you're worth something to us if you're there, and if you can't keep the oil spigot open -- which is why they relied so much on venezuela, then you're no good to us. so he may be worried, literally, for his life. and so he doesn't know who to trust. and, you know, it's certainly not us, i get it. we don't like him either. >> no. trish: but to your point, to be realistic about this situation, john bolton right here on this show offered him a deal. he said listen, you know, go live in a villa somewhere nice on the sea and put this all behind you. but getting from point a to point b, i guess, is easier said than done with these guys. but we've done it before, right? >> well, yeah. but that's why it's important to have a regional solution and to tell the russians we're not going to play this little game and that if maduro does hear from enough people that he's got an easy out, he can go get the villa, he can live nicely for the rest of his life, and that's

an incentive for him to go. the worse it gets in venezuela, the worse it gets for ma daughter row -- maduro. and if his alternative is to leave on a coffin or a plane, he may choose the plane. trish: just real quick, colombia, brazil, they're still not saying, okay, we want to intervene in a meaningful way. at what point do they realize they kinda got to because if they don't, they're going to have refugees bleeding over their border? >> that's right. uh-huh, well, that's why i think the diplomacy the united states can use behind the scenes is extremely important. president trump got along very well with the president of brazil. that was a very successful meeting. and that kind of leadership that brazil could take for the whole region would be extremely important not just for brazil, not just for the region, but it shows that latin america has a lot of capabilities, and they should be able to step up and use them. they could be very wealthy, successful partner. trish: that would be good.

>> agreed. trish: kt, good to see you. thank you. coming up next, everyone, the total irresponsibility of the media reaching whole new levels tonight. we're on it after this. ♪ ♪ our grandparents checked their smartphones zero times a day. times change. eyes haven't. that's why there's ocuvite. screen light... sunlight... longer hours... eyes today are stressed. but ocuvite has vital nutrients... ...to help protect them. ocuvite. eye nutrition for today.

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on our southern border heating up, and everyone -- including the press, for sure the press -- have to be take a side here. at what point can we actually engage in some kind of meaningful solution, right, to actually deal with the problem? joining me now is salon breaking news writer matthew roja. good to see you, matt. >> good to see you tooing trish. trish: i'll start by saying this is not good. you look at the pictures of people trying, struggling desperately to get to this country, and i started the show by saying, look, there's a lot of really good people that could do some really good things in this country, and there's nothing mutually exclusive about having a border while simultaneously easing the immigration process so you can bring the right people here. gosh, you know, that's just common sense. don't you think, matthew, this polarization that's happened -- and the media's contributed to it -- is having a detrimental effect on our country right now and the dialogue? >> i absolutely think that there

is a tremendous amount of polarization. i also think it's important to recognize the degree to which everyone on every side of these various issues contributes to that polarization. for instance, when it comes to border security, i absolutely agree that there are people who have legitimate concerns about border security, and they should not all be labeled as racist. but then again, when president trump announced his campaign in 2015, he half classified people trying to get into this country as being disproportionately likely to be rapists, likely to commit violent crimes. and that -- trish: two wrongs make a right? >> also creates polarization. trish: now you get everybody feeding into this. and, you know, look, you know him by now, right? he's not always as sensitive, perhaps, as he should be in terms of his word choice and usage. but if you look at the intention or the meaning of that, i think his point was there's a lot of bad people coming here, and why

are we allowing bad people coming here? there's plenty of good people too, and i'll be the first to say that. i'm actually a big proponent of more people coming that want to engage in all the good things that can happen here in america and want to be part of that that goodness. but, you know, to say, all right, well, we're just going to pile on because he said it, oh, he did it, well, i can do it too. i mean, that seems to really be destroying, i think, the very fabbic of our run where i worry we're becoming increasingly ungovernable. >> oh, i certainly think that mercuriesings becoming ungovernable because of these partisan divides. i recently wrote a piece about how the dnc was wrong for blackballing the fox news, the fox network, essentially, from hosting their various debates. and in it i quoted usen hour -- eisenhower who said in a democracy, debate is the breath of life. in our country, we need to be able to have these kinds of

conversations without finger-pointing, without accusing the other person of being evil or comparing them to hitler, which again, you know, is never really recognized in political debate these days. i absolutely agree with that, i just think it's important for both sides to be cognizant of where them and their own will commit these mistakes. trish: you're talking about taking an intellectual approach which i think is the right one. unfortunately, these things become too overly political. but, you know, i appreciate you engaging in the dialogue, and let's continue it, matthew. >> we, thank you very much. trish: thanks. trish: thanks. all right, more coming up ♪ ♪

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