david: yeah, well there is room for government regulation. maybe this is one, maybe not. we will see. all right, gang. that does it for bulls & bears. thank you very much for joining us. we will see you back here next time. liz: major developments tonight, north korea's kim jong-un in russia about to meet with putin. we're going to also talk tonight about president trump declaring the economy is on fire. the stock market's on fire. 9.1 trillion dollars added in market value since the president was elected. the president now warning democrats looking to impeach him that he will fight them all the way to the supreme court. we have that debate tonight. plus the do nothing democrat house, new data coming in, this congress is enacting laws at half the rate of the last congress. more on that and also how top moderate democrats are now hitting the panic button about losing 2020. the battle for the border, the government releasing frightening

new surveillance video showing heavily armed human traffickers in tactical gear smuggling people across the border before escaping in the dead of night. this as border patrol has apprehended already 418,000 people year to date, already blowing past all of last year combined. we're on it. plus, bernie sanders getting hammered by boston and boston democrats are saying yes, let the boston marathon bomber vote from prison, but bernie is doubling down. boston is outraged as kamala harris is now dialling back on her support for that. debate tonight. now that terrorist, that boston marathon bomber, he's on death row. bernie is stepping into a debate already long settled by the state. sanders not saying a word on how socialist communist countries don't allow their prisoners vote from prison. we're on that story. our soldiers, lawmakers many of them, and many americans in general, now saying alexandria ocasio cortez you are clueless

saying of the va quote if it ain't broke don't fix it. we have that debate as our veterans are out with a new idea saying hey cortez, both you and bernie sanders, go get your healthcare from single payer va. see how you like it. tonight the ranking member of house veterans' affairs is also upset about aoc. he's not having it. he is our guest. i'm elizabeth mcdonald. the evening edit starts right now. welcome to the show. you are watching the fox business network. let's get right to edward lawrence with all the big political headlines. edward? >> yeah, liz, i can tell you right now, the north korean leader is in russia to meet the russian president. now that meeting thursday will be the first time kim jong-un has talked face-to-face with russian president vladimir putin. the north koreans last week tested another missile in defiance of the trump administration and this meeting could be seen as another slap in

the face for the peace talks with that rogue nation. in that region, next week, the trade talks with china will continue. u.s. trade representative robert lighthizer and treasury secretary steven mnuchin on tuesday in beijing for a meeting to try and work out a deal. then the chinese come to d.c. for talks on may 8th. well today, president donald trump happy so far. >> we're doing well on trade. we're doing well with china. things are going good. >> and in a trade deal, the chinese have asked for guaranteed access to certain markets. the sticking point, though, still is tariffs. the chinese also proprotesting the u.s. decision to sanction any country buying oil from iran. china has one of those waivers and was counting on that waiver program to continue. >> well, it was important that we deny iran the revenue that it needs to fund its proxy wars around the middle east. the current set of oil waivers expire on may 2nd. we've been working very closely with the saudis and the american

producers to ensure that even as we take off the last 1 million barrels that iran is exporting that we still have a very well supplied and stable oil market. >> and iran today threatened to close the strait of hormuz. that's a choke point, the world's busiest shipping lane for oil. next week should be very interesting. liz? liz: edward lawrence in washington, thank you so much. to the white house, digging in on the house subpoenas for the mueller report. president trump warns he will fight impeachment all the way to the supreme court, vowing to oppose all of the subpoenas for former staff members and present staff members. >> the subpoena is ridiculous. we have been -- i have been the most transparent president and administration in the history of our country by far. we just went through the mueller witch hunt, and they came up with no collusion, and they actually also came up with no obstruction. i say it's enough. get back to infrastructure.

get back to cutting taxes. get back to lowering drug prices. that's what -- really that's what we should be doing. liz: while speaker of the house, nancy pelosi had this to say on impeachment. >> i do believe that impeachment is one of the most divisive forces -- paths that we could go down to in our country. but if the fact finding takes us there, that we have no choice. but we're not there yet. as i said to my letter, to my members, to you as i said earlier, the hold the president accountable. -- to hold the president accountable. >> joining me now is former justice department official. what is your take on this fight? >> well, a lot going on here, liz. i guess i think in all of this craziness there are two certainties, one is that the democrats view the mueller report as a starting point, rather than an end point and they have made abundantly clear that they are not going anywhere.

they are going to pursue this president through investigations, through subpoenas, through whatever means they deem necessary. i think the second certainty here is that the president is going to put up a fight. we've seen that he staked out a very hard-line on allowing former white house officials to testify. i suspect that these battles over subpoenas and the president's efforts to quash them will ultimately end up getting sorted out by the courts. liz: yeah, and if he's held in contempt, that only holds for this duration of this congress, which lasts through 2021. or thereabouts. here's the thing, that mueller report says the russians were trying to interfere going all the way back to 2014. there's indications they have been trying to interfere for decades. critics are saying the obama white house did nothing about it. and critics are also saying that the democrats want don mcgahn in to have a sort of 1973 john dean senate hearing televised kind of a hearing, in order to embarrass the president. your take on that? >> well, look, i think it's no secret what the democrats are hoping to do. they are hoping to uncover additional evidence, maybe by

getting mcgahn on the stand and forcing him to answer uncomfortable or awkward questions about the times he pushed back against the president. it seems to me extremely unlikely to say the least that the democrats investigations would uncover any additional evidence that bob mueller and his team of experienced veteran prosecutors were unable to uncover. i suspect a lot of this is for the opportunity to put on a show, to have a spectacle before the american people, in which they can bat around don mcgahn at length. liz: you know, pelosi and schumer set to meet with the president next week to talk about infrastructure. you know, it seems like for, you know, the last two or three years, it's been easier to do the trump russia story than to work on actual policy. there's only 16 laws that have been enacted so far this year, versus -- by the way, that's half the rate of a prior congress. your take on that? >> yeah, and look, i think that's absolutely right is that when you have things like the mueller investigation or if you were to have impeachment, those are the sorts of things that just take all the oxygen out of the room, and legislation is

difficult even under the best of circumstances. i think if you have a pending impeachment inquiry, it becomes close to impossible. and it's a pity. we heard the president say today that he would like to move ahead on tax cuts. he would like to move ahead on infrastructure. i suspect a lot of people would like to move ahead on immigration reform. seems unlikely that any of that would materialize if we're in a divisive situation of impeachment. liz: tom, your take on hilary clinton's fight with rudy giuliani. hilary clinton said i think there's enough here to have -- any other person would have been indicted. but here's rudy giuliani firing back. watch. >> there's a woman who really obstructed justice. the president didn't delete 33,000 e-mails. he didn't have somebody smash up telephones. and he didn't have someone wipe out a server. there used to be a doj standing policy you cannot indict a clinton no matter how much they obstruct justice, no matter how much evidence they destroy, no matter how often they lie, and no matter that they committed

perjury. you can't indict a clinton. it is against the democrat justice department rules. liz: well, he's being facetious. tom, your reaction there? >> well, none of this really surprises me. look, i think the democrats would agree that hilary clinton is a somewhat peculiar messenger for all of this. she was intimately involved not just in the 2016 election controversies but also the years that preceded it in terms of her involvement in the obama administration. my guess is a lot of the rank and file democrats and frankly many of the american public are not going to find particularly persuasive hilary clinton's take on where we should go from here. liz: her campaign and the dnc was found to have sent money to fusion gps via the -- that's the allegation -- via the law firm perkins. here's the question, we know the doj, inspector general michael horowitz is investigating the roots of the trump russia controversy and the probe there, the question is, do you think that steele dossier, which now even bob woodward and the new

york times admits is fake, do you think that that was a distraction from the multiple clinton foundation pay to play probes? >> you know, it's a good question. i think there certainly was a lot going on behind the scenes during this era at the justice department. you know, you had all these investigations you mentioned, and then you get the steele dossier thrown in the mix. i think it is useful that the inspector general is conducting an investigation and just trying to get a lot of answers because we still have so many unanswered questions. you know, at the same time, i'm hopeful that he will come up with answers that will satisfy both republicans and democrats because at some point, it would be nice to be able to turn our perspective to the future and focus on the issues the president mentioned today, namely legislation, tax cuts, infrastructure, and the like. liz: you know, the moderate democrats who wanted districts that trump run and romney run, they won back the house of democrats, it is a question whether they will vote for

impeachment. watch what elijah cummings says, the oversight committee chair, he's saying the president quote deserves to have the mark of impeachment. watch. >> do you believe that donald trump deserves to have the mark of impeachment as you said of indictment whether or not he would be removed? >> i think he does. i think if you just read the mueller report, in and of itself, joy, let's be clear. when you look at the mueller report, the ten items that mueller pointed out with regard to obstruction, if you take any one of those, anybody in the united states that i know of, would probably already be indicted, except the president of the united states. liz: your reaction, tom? >> well, i think it's a misstatement to refer to the mark of impeachment. i suspect what the congressman is referring to is the fact that even if the house were to impeach president trump, it is virtually impossible that he would ever get removed by a two thirds vote of the united states senate. for that reason, what you hear a lot of democrats talking about is the significance of

impeachment as leaving a mark or a brand on the president. i think that's completely contrary to what the founders envisioned when they inserted the impeachment language in our constitution. it's a means to remove an officer from duty. it is not for purposes of symbolic gesture or to mark someone or to brand someone as unworthy. it's got a specific purpose. that's why it is in the constitution. liz: tom, formerly with the justice department, great to have you on. >> thank you. liz: we have tesla coming in earnings after the bell missing on both revenue and profit estimates. again, lackluster model 3 deliveries in the first quarter. gerri willis at the new york stock exchange with more. >> the dow down 59 points. the s&p down 6. the nasdaq down 18. and that means the s&p and nasdaq could not hold the all-time gains they achieved last night. even so, they are barely off those highs.

it was all about earnings per share for investors today. that's what they are really watching, particularly when it comes to tech stocks. facebook out with double beat tonight. the stock higher after hours by 6%, a big move. it's setting 3 to 5 billion dollars aside for legal expenses stemming from the cambridge analytica breach, pay a fine from the federal trade commission, the biggest ever levied. microsoft, double beat, strong cloud revenue. we're seeing growth of 9.7 billion. that's an increase of 22%. quarterly gaming revenue also higher up 5%. the stock up 3% tonight. liz? liz: gerri willis, thank you. coming up, sri lanka's president wants the country's defense secretary and top police chief to resign as the death toll continues to rise from the devastating terror attacks on christians on easter sunday there. we bring you the update. also boston democrats and boston in general ripping into bernie sanders for his outrageous idea

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liz: the death toll has now risen to 359 people in those terror attacks on christians in sri lanka on easter sunday. fox news kitty logan has more from london. kitty? >> investigation into the easter sunday bombings in sri lanka is widening. we are beginning to learn more about the attackers. they were clearly seen on surveillance videos in several locations, including at this church. authorities describe them as well educated, from relatively wealthy backgrounds. isis has claimed responsibility for the bombings. in a video released on tuesday. although that claim is yet to be officially verified. the sri lankan government says it is investigating two local extremist groups with ties to isis. there are many questions as to

why authorities failed to act on specific information about a threat, prior to the attack. and today, the president asked the defense minister and the national police chief to resign. and funerals are continuing for the dead. the death toll now over 350. and people of many different religious faiths are coming together to mourn those who died. and the u.s. is supporting the investigation. fbi and u.s. military officials are already on the ground in sri lanka, helping local authorities with the investigation. in london, kitty logan, fox news. liz: thank you, kitty. we have more headlines for you tonight that we're watching. the "wall street journal" reporting that the national security agency has advised the white house to drop the u.s. surveillance program that collects information on phone calls and text messages from americans. the journal cites intelligence sources who basically say it is a bureaucratic nightmare, that the logistic and legal problems

outweigh any intelligence value. we have also this story. a former state department worker pleading guilty to conspiring with chinese agents, taking tens of thousands of dollars in cash and gifts, including a paid for vacation and a paid for fully furnished apartment in exchange for leaking internal state department documents. this worker started working at the state department in 99. she served in beijing, shanghai, iraq and sudan. to the notre dame cathedral fire, a contractor working on that renovation of that cathedral telling french media that workers up on the scaffolding broke the rules against smoking because they apparently did not want to take the trouble to climb down to smoke. but the worker denied any link between smoking and last week's fire. that investigation continues. we have a health warning for you tonight. 56 tons of beef recalled after the cdc warns that 156 people in 10 states have been affected with e-coli since march, after

eating tainted ground beef. both in restaurants and at home. at least 20 people have been hospitalized. no deaths have been reported. no a food safety law firm is probing -- now a food safety law firm is probing potential link between businesses in colorado and georgia. separately last week a nonprofit advocacy group sued the usda claiming the usda has not adequately responded to concerns about contamination in chicken and meat production. the measles outbreak soaring to the highest level in 25 years. new york city reporting 61 new cases since late last week bringing the total nationwide to at least 671. next on the evening edit, boston democrats and boston in general hammering bernie sanders for his outrageous idea to let the boston marathon bomber vote from prison. bernie doubling down though. harris dialling back. victim families getting victimized all over again.

we have that debate on whether the democrats want to lose in 2020 and how socialist communist countries don't let prisoners vote from prison. also ocasio cortez said the quality of the va medical care is fine, we will tell you how our nation's soldiers are reacting. some of them are saying hey if a va single payer system is so great, you, yourselves and all politicians should get your healthcare from the va. that debate is coming up. i'm working to make each day a little sweeter.

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house is sending over unacceptable legislation. democrats seem to be focusing more on big government programs and getting big government solutions, but even apple's ceo tim cook says we should not always look to the government to fix all of our problems. this as democrats keep pushing ideas like getting rid of the electoral college, lowering the voting age to 16 and to now this, both presidential democrat hopefuls, sanders and harris said yes let criminal terrorists like the boston marathon bomber vote. watch. >> saying you think the boston marathon bomber should vote not after he pays his debt to society but while he's in jail, you sure about that? >> i do believe -- look, you know, this is what i believe. >> people who are convicted, in prison, like the boston marathon bomber, on death row, people who are convicted of sexual assault, they should be able to vote? >> i think we should have that conversation. >> bernie sanders is doubling down as kamala harris is backing off. let's bring in the daily caller.

vince, this is an outrage. that boston marathon terrorist killed three people including a child. the states have already settled this. pay your debt. serve time. many saying get through parole too, then vote. why do grandstanding politicians step in here? bernie sanders wants the federal government to override the sates -- states? this is an outrage to the victims' families. >> totally. bernie sanders advocating for prisoners who are currently in prison to vote. that means dylann roof gets a vote. that means bernie madoff gets a vote. this is nuts. i think some of the democrats took the wrong lesson from trump's win. trump is a frank speaker. he speaks his mind. they think they are supposed to do that. the problem here? the voters don't agree with the positions that they are taking. nobody thinks that allowing violent criminals to vote is a good position. liz: you know, even the

socialist communist countries that bernie sanders favors and likes do not let their prisoners vote from prison. you know, but here's senator harris walking back her initial response. let's watch. >> do i think that people who commit murder, people who are terrorists should be deprived of their rights? yeah, i do. i'm a prosecutor. i believe that in terms there has to be serious consequences for the most extreme types of crime. liz: your reaction to that? this seems like another example that the democrats not being able to say no to the radical far left. >> what a generous shift in her position, that violent people shouldn't be able to vote. how about if you are in prison. if you're in prison, what's happened is you have forfeited your rights and privileges in society. you've been removed. in fact, we have prisons in the united states that have larger populations than the towns that they are in. is she advocating that the prison then run the city by virtue of its vote? this is nuts. and democrats actually are increasingly trying to outcrazy

each other in order to occupy some space in a contested field. now with 20 candidates jumping in this week, this is an exercise in destroying themselves. liz: simply put, what about the boston marathon bomber, murdering people and robbing them of their right to vote? and robbing the families of their peace of mind. i mean, this is victimizing the families all over again. it is an outrage what bernie is putting these families again and other families across the country. he's doubling down. watch this. massachusetts democrats are hammering bernie sanders. representative steven lynch said this, i don't believe that individuals incarcerated for serious crimes should be allowed to vote, period. and the mayor of boston martin walsh says i think when somebody takes somebody's life, they lose the right to vote. it seems pretty simple, vince. >> it is not difficult. this is why -- this is one of the most insane debates i have ever seen us having in american politics because who is going to take up the position that these people deserves representation? no one.

bernie sanders of all people saying they deserve to vote and the basis by which he says that is one of the craziest things. he says we should not infringe on anyone's constitutional path. that's strange. this is coming from a democratic party that wants to infringe constantly on the 2nd amendment, increasingly about the types of things you can say within the confines of the 1st amendment. all of a sudden now the democratic party is saying we're strict constitutionalists. we want to make sure everybody gets their fair say liz: thaiz -- vince, thank you. minutes ago, the cdc increased the number of measles cases to 695. we're staying on this story for you. to businesses fleeing seattle washington, this is firing up the debate about what our cities are doing with their local policies. that debate is lighting up across the country. robert gray is here with more. robert? >> while seattle's economy has

been booming over the past several years, the homeless population has been spiking, jumping 50% over the past decade. seattle area business owners tell fox business that their main concern is what they call a growing and dangerous element within this rising homeless population, posing a threat to their livelihood and in some cases to their health and safety. residents and business owners say the homeless and street crime situation has gotten considerably worse over the past several years and they blame lax legal enforcement as well as unresponsive city officials. >> when in the world are you going to start protecting the people that do contribute to society, that we are of value? they either need to follow the laws or go on some place else. >> the petty crime and vagrants would obviously be a hot topic this year as 7 of the 9 seattle city council seats are up for grabs in an election year. back to you, liz. liz: robert gray, thank you for your reporting there. this story coming up, veterans, politicians, and patriots really angry and outraged over

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liz: our veteran soldiers, politicians, and patriots now outraged over alexandria ocasio cortez cavalier and off based claim, that's what they are saying she's said, the characterization there that the quality of va medical care according to to aoc is fine. the outrage is growing like wildfire. our nation's soldiers are saying hey cortez and bernie, if the va is so great, you yourselves and all politicians get your healthcare from the va.

>> [inaudible]. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. [inaudible] liz: well the backlash has been swift and it is escalating fast. former navy seal robert o'neil who killed osama bin laden is tearing into cortez on twitter saying quote ever take your kid to work? let him color? tell them they are helping? well new york state did that. retired army ranger sean parnell tweeting quote all of healthcare issues that veterans face today, bureaucracy, secret wait lists, minimal continuity of care, that would be fixed in a week if politicians got their healthcare from the va. joining us by phone is the ranking member of the veterans' affairs committee. your reaction, sir? >> liz, i agree, certainly.

i'm an army veteran served in the second infantry division in korea. i did some of my medical training at a va, physician over 40 years, saw va patients. the va has problems. there's a lot of good care that goes on at the a va. i want to say that. but there are a lot of problems. what she doesn't understand was we've spent the last ten years i have been in congress working to try to fix many of the things that were broken in the va. you mentioned the wait list. it was worse than that. they were putting people's names on a piece of paper, liz, and waiting to enter them into the electronic health record so it made the va look good although veterans were dying. that's not in the best interest of veterans when they die while waiting on care. she mentioned the act, who she knows obviously nothing about, this is a bipartisan bill that we passed to try to help veterans both in urban areas and in rural areas.

we're going to be 130,000 doctors, 120,000 doctors short by 2030. that's a very short time from now. so we have to use the best of the va system and the best of the private sector, and i've done some of my medical training in a va, so i think i know a little bit about it and spent the last ten years on that committee working to correct some f these defects -- some of these defects. liz: the reports are coming in. 19 veterans have committed suicide, killed them in va parking lots out of despair and desperation. we have cortez also getting fact checked sir for wrongfully saying -- cortez said that the va was being quote starved financially. republican florida congressman, a retired green beret tweeted out quote fyi aoc the va budget doubled from 90 billion to 200 billion over the last ten years. your take on that? >> absolutely right. we're trying to privatize the va, we're doing a very sorry job of it because when i got on the

committee in 09; we spent 97 1/2 billion on all va services. this year's budget, the president's asked for 220 billion dollars. if that's privatizing, that's insane. of course we're not privatizing. we're trying to provide better care. i want to say this about our president, president trump. he has been fantastic in supporting veterans every chance he gets, he talks about them. he has been incredibly supportive of our committee providing all the resources we need to get the job done. liz: i hear what you are saying. we also have seth mollton, a decorated marine veteran, a 2020 democrat candidate out of massachusetts, he's against bernie sanders single payer because of the va. watch this. >> i think i'm the only candidate who actually gets single payer health care. so i think health care is a right. i think every american should have access to good affordable healthcare, but i made a commitment to continue getting my own healthcare at the va when

i was elected to congress. that's single payer. i will tell you, it is not perfect. so if i'm elected, i'm not going to force you off your private healthcare plan. liz: what's your reaction to that? >> i totally agree with that. what makes the va work is it has a way to send patients when they can't take care of them to the private sector. that's the reason the va works. if the only place veterans could get their care was at a va, it would be a disaster. so we use the best of both the private sector and the public sector at the va to provide quality care for our veterans. that is our goal to do that, and i don't care whether they get it in the private sector, the best quality of care they can get or at the va, whichever one is the best for the veterans is what i want. liz: congressman, thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thanks a lot. liz: coming up a strong voice in the media, rolling stone magazine saying hey, mainstream media, your quote inability to face the enormity of your errors

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radical democrat politicians screaming for impeachment of president trump because when you think about it, they have the russia collusion, dominating the news, now they can have the impeach trump dominate the news because what they won't have to talk about are the radical policies and ideas coming from democrats, like the green new deal, for example, which is a war on hardworking americans, war on energy. it will disrupt our every day way of life, and it is very costly. so they don't have to talk about that. they can just run all day long with impeach president trump. liz: it just feels like people didn't realize that all the trump signs on the front lawns, hey, trump is going to win, all the reporting that was being done on trump russia, the media was surprised that, you know, there was no collusion. remember the media kept saying the walls are closing in. we're at a turning point, the beginning of the end. it was like they were substituting their opinions in place of journalism.

it was opinions disguised as reporting and they denounced people who always doubted this conspiracy. >> well, sure, and what they are really doing, the antitrump media is a disservice to americans because they are not reporting the truth. they are not reporting the facts. so where is the credibility when it comes to these media outlets? but i think americans are seeing through it. they are tired of the rhetoric and the nonsense and the lies. but time will tell how their ratings will continue to hold up because, you know, americans are just tired of investigate and em peach -- impeach and demonize president trump when the facts come out that there was no collusion by trump, by his campaign by any american with russia. >> rolling stones reporter also said this about the media. do you know what was fake news? most of the russia gate story. there was no trump russia conspiracy. that thing we spent three years chasing the mueller report is crystal clear on this.

we have former senate majority leader saying yesterday if impeachment proceedings go forward, i think this country would be spending an inordinate amount of time on impeachment and nothing else and i don't think we can afford that. your reaction? >> yeah, that's pretty interesting coming from harry reid. but look at nancy pelosi and the position she's in. she's trying to tamp the brakes on the radical democrats calling for impeachment. she knows that will be harmful for them as we approach the 2020 presidential election. so she's speaker with the gavel in her hand by name only. but she has no control over the house whatsoever. liz: what's your take on president trump telling the washington post he opposes current and former white house aides testifying to congress? can he do that? what do you think? >> well, why should they? i mean the president has been fully cooperative with the mueller investigation. his aides and personnel were cooperative. they got millions of documents from this investigation, so what

else is there to look at? again, they are reaching. they are desperate. they don't want to let i got that there was no collusion -- they don't want to let it go that there was no collusion and no obstruction. liz: the question has been posed. what else do democrats want? they got a special counsel. they got an investigation. they got congressional hearings. they got a report from the special counsel. it seems like they just keep wanting more and more. what's your take? >> right, they are not the ones with the power, so they are going to keep grasping at these weak straws. again, it just really shows how desperate they are, but by calling for impeachment and investigations, they are trying to rile up their voter base again because of the up coming 2020 presidential election. they've got nothing else. liz: great to see you. thank you very much for coming in. really appreciate it. >> thank you. liz: coming up, the crisis at the border escalating. a caravan of now 10,000 reportedly headed to the border. this as president trump once again threatening to send u.s. troops and also to shut the

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fiscal year 2018. the numbers are staggering. plus president trump again threatening to send troops to the border, even shut it down. joining me now, retired army brigadier general. the 10,000 caravan, what's your reaction to all of this? >> well that's a huge number and it's very orchestrated, liz. it's just part of the ongoing effort of the liberal establishment to try to challenge our border. and to try to, you know, not comply with what it is that president trump is trying to do. they would rather see this country fail than president trump succeed. so, you know, what i think is that president trump's plan, idea to take these illegal immigrants and put them in sanctuary cities is a great idea because that, i think, is the only way to mobilize democratic legislators in the state and

federally to get them to move on this issue. because they are absolutely stubborn and not moving on this issue because they know it is president trump's number one campaign promise. liz: general, let's talk about the stunning and astonishing new stiblghts in the number of apprehensions at the border already surpassing the prior fiscal year. the numbers, it looks like it's getting worse. >> yeah. it's a crisis, as the president said. it is a national emergency. it is something that we have to take care of immediately. it is something that we are not resourced to deal with. we do not have the fiscal barriers in place to canalize the flow of people, to block parts of the border we know they're crossing. we don't have the people or the aerial assets to pick up on the movement. having ducted border operations much of my military career, they're challenging. it is hard to find people crossing the border where wheths

tunnels or rat trails through the hills. it's something that we're not resourced to deal with with our border patrol. liz: is it a good idea to send u.s. troops to the southern border? >> absolutely. this is a national security issue first and foremost. particularly now that we've seen armed vigilantes in mexico escorting people up and down the border and infiltrating families and doing human trafficking, that elevates us to a whole new level where we have armed individuals that are moving people in and out of the border and that could show hostile intent. liz: what was your take on they were wearing tactical gear and armed with assault rifles. these are human smuggling and traffickers smuggling people into the border in the dead of night. what was your reaction when you saw what they were wearing?

>> yeah, liz. i'm very familiar with what they're wearing. that's outer tack cal tactical , ak-47, automatic rifle. they were all there for combat. so they're expecting to be able to flow, you know, up and down the border and expecting contact. liz: but who are they going to shoot at? >> u.s. border patrol. and anybody that gets in their way from accomplishing their mission. and so this is a ratcheting up intentions that, you know, we've seen it in the past but you know, right now, we've not seen this for quite some time. liz: it's because these families spend maybe 7,000 dollars a piece to get in. isn't that the case, sir? final point. >> there's money involved and there's also, you know, different people handle it differently. but seeing armed individuals on our border is a big deal. liz: thank you so much for coming in. thank you for having us in your

homes and thank you for watching. "lou dobbs" is next right here on the fox business network. have a good night. ♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. the crisis at the southern border rages on. armed cartels smuggling drugs and illegal immigrants into the united states, murderers in mexico soaring to record levels. mexican troops intruding on american soil. president trump calling out the radical dimms for doing absolutely nothing to straighten out this nation's immigration laws. >> congress must also act to fix, however, our horrible obsolete weak pathetic immigration laws. they're seeing the drugs and they're seeing the human

trafficking.