china is the biggest second treaty partner behind canada. tomorrow, park your facebook.com/fox business, park your computers, phones, whatever on facebook so you can see what we're doing. >> thank you. >> we have the lowest unemployment rates for different groups of people whether it's african-american, asian, hispanic, hispanic just hit another all-time record for low unemployment. the household income it is the highest it has ever been. our country is doing well. never probably has done as well as it's doing right now economically. >> the president celebrating a blockbuster with 260-2000 new jobs added in the month of april. easily surpassing expectations. and that falls to the lowest level in 50 years and the trip economy seems to work on with

hopefuls need to rethink their strategy, this is "bulls & bears" and joining me on the panel today, john ass spirits, adam bleszinski, and gary b smith, the president says he is banking on the economy for 202 2020,. >> i will be running. >> that is a compelling argument. how is democrat running for president in 2020 complete with a strong jobs report. >> i think that's a tough one to compete with. when voters go to the ballot in 2020 even if you do not like president trump or support some of his policies you look at the economy, do i have a job, or my wages going up, and my better off now than i was four years ago? yes, i think that is a strong point that he should keep

selling. >> i have been giving this a lot of thought, anyone who says what heather just says is wrong or disagrees is crazy in the head. there is no doubt that a strong economy is good for the incumbent. so now what, for the democrats, the same was true for use ago, the economy has been proving for seven years under president obama and voters voted -- i was about to say overwhelmingly which is crazy, they didn't but voters voted in president trump under the circumstances. they didn't like the democratic candidate and were upset about other things. the question will be, well enough voters be upset about enough other things like healthcare for example if they were in the midterms to vote against the president. >> gary, come on. you tend to get disagree with a lot of positives, do you agree with the economy ? >> no -- of course i don't. that will not be the picture that the left will paint, the picture the left will paint is the one that they painted for the last eight years.

they will put up a picture of jeff bezos and say, why does everyone else have a yacht, you guys should have a yacht, he you should have five houses, they will paint and pester that class warfare argument with no one's business. because people are like the basals, gates, they are filthy rich, they were filthy rich back in the rockefeller, andrew carnegie days, the problem was he didn't have twitter, facebook, instant ways of pointing out who these people were and how much they make. that's the argument you're seeing. >> hold on a second period i'm saying the economy is good. i'm saying the only argument, the biggest argument that the right can paint, were starting to get great wage growth, who's the beneficiary of that wage

growth, the people in the path that made the lowest wages. for the right make the argument, i don't know. the left is pretty loud out there. they have all of mainstream media behind them to paint the worker picture and that will be exactly what they do i guarantee it. >> to counter the four-year go analysis. the unemployment rate is lower in the wages are going faster, we have this unemployment rate since 1969 and it is going to be hard to beat that. in the rising yacht, i think you can also make some hay out of why the dust is going up. it does not make any sense with such a hot economy. as a point that has got to go down and we are going to have a recession and what is going to happen, how will you buy our way out of the next. maybe will scare some of the moderate people -- >> arguing against my own argument, i think very, very few voters care about that sort of thing, but will enter what they

will be successful will to, but getting to the right point the tax cuts happened tha benefitedf bezos and all the rich people but not you, i think there'll be a compelling argument before some large a percentage of the electorate. >> but wages are increasing at three-point to percent year-over-year. that is happening on the middle class and lower income wages which i think is a step in the right direction. and for me, getting back to the job data, this is a seller jobs report number and you are right to point out adam, nobody would say otherwise. >> i don't dispute that, but if we are going to have an economics conversation or political conversation your siding the statistics and the question will be how do voters feel. if they feel the way everyone else on this panel suggests they will feel that the president will be reelected if the economy is number one issue on the

ballot. >> i think it is. i think is the number one issue on the ballot. how comfortable and how confident -- >> no it isn't. what we know is the reason president trump was elected you have to boil it down to one reason is the people in ohio, pennsylvania, et cetera dislike hillary clinton. >> they were voting for the fact of scared of losing their job and their livelihood in the economic for you, the number one issue for all americans,. >> i think you forgetting all the economic that was made under the deficit with obama at one point. the crisis has to be sold, it was sold by republicans fairly well to get votes and it hasn't been sold effectively by democrats, it is a harder sell for them -- >> this is one of the struggles they should be grasping at. >> jonas, i had to join adam on this. there is 99.9% of the people out there voting that can even

identify the deficit and the debt. probably three people on this panel, i will not name them, can't tell the difference between the deficit and the debt. [laughter] this is going to be, i hate to keep repeating it, actually don't mind repeating myself. it is going to be a class warfare issue in the problem is, the people that are the jeff bezos of the world don't realize, back when i was growing up, when adam was growing up, you were envious of the millionaires now, now people are, and for whatever reason --dash. >> them all kinds of problems gary. >> people don't realize out there that even the poorest of the poor have an iphone and more powers than the 360 back in the time. -- >> guys, enough. enough about bezos. we need a strong economy to get

the expensive million-dollar yacht and here is the president's top economic advisor larry kudlow, he had a very bold prediction for this year on varney and co- >> you think were going to get 4% growth in any quarter? do you think we will get an unemployment rate before the current 3.6% rate at any point this year? 4% growth, below six on unemployment, at any point this year question what would you forecast that. >> there are strong probabilities that that may occur. >> okay. so 4% growth in one quarter this year and the unemployment rate before under below 3.6. realistic? >> it is been done before, all throughout the 50s, part of the 60s, quite the low in employment rates, but we certainly have the growth, the higher than 4%,. >> gary, you are not listening

to president trump, we played him a couple times a moment ago saying the economy has never been this good before. i guess you are not paying careful attention. >> actually he's off to a good point. the combination of low unemployment and high growth has really been done. it is been done in the 50s but i think we can get back there. >> not to slow in employment and high growth but the fact that we have very low inflation, it is the goldilocks economy. >> very true. >> and to have inflation very low right now, it's a wait-and-see approach in the market also cares about the federal reserve rates. >> they will wait if we got that hot of an economy. they almost stepped into much in the current room. we got the 4% plus numbers they will panic, raise rates again and run the whole party for everybody. >> wow, party over. >> no, no no. >> in fact the markets are not trading like the party is over. so we have debates how to fund

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>> the gop signaling off position over trump's $2 trillion infrastructure deal with democrats. but near congressman is now urging congress to double the 18.4 cents per gallon national gas tax and also double the existing p the early passengers paper flight and that's in order to pay for infrastructure package. trump's economic advisor larry kudlow says they are working on a plan. >> we are not looking at a big plane of fire. >> is the president supportive? >> we will come out of our version of this package. just give me a couple weeks. >> the question is, with these kinds of taxes, would it be worth it in order to fund infrastructure?

>> a good infrastructure efficiently, yes. there are two sides of the problem, we spent in percentage terms, european countries actually spent, the problem, it's hard to imagine, when you put in a mile of subway in york city it cause cost a lot. >> how do you factor in the cost, don't had to pay for the healthcare, education, social security which is very generous in france? >> that's a good point. there employment costs are higher in america. and they have put in highways, roads, everything is done at a lower price than america. we get ripped off on highways, infrastructure, bridges, that in itself is a problem and it needs to be solved. as far as new big projects, $2 trillion, no way to do this then tax increases, it should be controversial, we will highways all across america because general motors picked up and called eisenhower. we pay for with taxes, 90% of

the federal government so as the gas tax because clinton didn't want to include the vote so it has been recent early '90s. i got news for you, you can triple it, we have the lowest taxes on gas except for mexico. even canada is three times higher than us. they pay over 250. that is how you find it, but again, we have to address the fact that we get ripped off because we are not european levels of efficiency either unfortunately. >> we are not at european levels of efficiency because a lot of these projects are done by the federal government, jonas had the key point when you take money from the private sector you taxes or tolls or whatever and give it to the public sector, i guarantee you any public works project is going to be over budget and over time. the less is long, the big dig, the parking center, the parking

lot -- even the interstate system, that was only 500% over budget by the way. and by the way, most of the stuff can be done privately. the first interstates were turnpikes and they were private, railroads were private, you want something to be way over budget like the new department of homeland security headquarters which is some trillion dollars over budget five years behind schedule, give it to the federal government -- >> were getting increasingly higher taxes for horrible construction. >> it doesn't matter if the government agencies builds these projects or private company build the project, the question is how to fund the project,. >> no, it does matter -- >> is a lot of times it's mandated that its union labor and pay higher cost. -- sorry to interrupt, i think your point in theory of private

contractors can do these jobs that can be done for less money and more efficiently. we still need to come up with the money but the question is, is taxing the best way to come up with the money and what a gas tax be a good idea, and the answer is almost certainly yes, but even if your answer is no then the question becomes well then where, you could borrow, but weirdly talked about that. >> tolls, what about tools. >> jonah says that doesn't work. >> i have a few ideas, when you look at tesla for example, and people who drive electric vehicles they will not and do not pay this gas tax so we can start there or charge them a small fee, they use the road no less than fuel power cars do. i think you can also take a look at amazon that pay 0 federal income tax as a novel idea and

they use the roads to deliver millions of packages every day. logistics and trucking companies. attempt than pitching, and yes public-private partnerships should be on the table. the federal government would still retain authority and responsibility for the project but the ultimate burden or financial risk would be ally in the private sector, a user of the tolls and you stuff like that, how they would generate revenue back to these projects. those are just a few ideas of how to fund it without the gas tax. >> we gave the money -- instead of having high gas tax, that's because our gas intimately new york city which is the logical place we can charge, they only make about half of their budget from tolls, the tolls are high,

if you driven in new york city in the trade fairs are not the lowest in the world either. that's a good us is going to get, we are talking about bridges across america, it's world telephone, you will not make any money in tolls or bridge in arkansas, the rest of the country needs tax money, that is how -- what ever not going to do it efficiently i japan and all the countries. >> other countries are cricketing crab. that is what is so embarrassing. we can job own about this all be like. we know historically the only way to pay for this is with taxes. and the reason we have crumbling every structure in the united states is because we have had and is a tax environment where politicians cannot raise the tax without losing -- you're underestimating inefficiency to european countries. >> that's fine. [inaudible] >> all right, all right, so basically it goes back to the old saying, everyone's brand-new

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>> i don't think bob iger is a bad guy, were inside a structure that creates this. he is doing a great job. what's it to say about the systems that reward him for that degree and put somebody that is working for him in a much different position. and when you called the people, not the abigail was doing that, i will call it the system not the people, what do we have to change about the system, i sat on conversation committees on boards that i think that i think are failing on their duty as a

shareholder, no half of it is nt based on performance, i've seen ceos that have gotten paid huge packages in a year father still employed, and their stock has lost money and the revenues are down,. >> but in either case his stock is up 464% since he took over a 2005. there you heard warren buffett's support for abigail's disney's criticism. after being asked by your very own liz was on omaha for this weekend for berkshire hathaway and disney recently taking to social media to criticize the fact that his salary is 1400 times greater than what the average disney employee takes home. do we agree with the buffett children of the executive pay is broken? >> well i don't agree, here's why, these ceos probably have the responsibility, 14000 times

more than the average worker there, a guy like iger at disney has a revenue, it's probably bigger than the size of a country of trinidad into bongo, they employed 200,000 people directly, they probably indirectly employ well over 1 million. they impact and enrich the lives of billions of people, these are small countries these people are managing. there is only a certain amount of iger's out there, you may say he does a terrible job, and that's a decision of the board. this is a powerful complex just an amazing job these people are doing. i wouldn't venture to say a people like henry ford impacted the world economy, probably more than 75% of the presidents we've had up there. these people earn their money. so gary, right up until the end i would say i completely disagree with you and that i

agree with them and where you did your argument and is that henry ford was an entrepreneur. he created the company, and nobody swivels with that, bob iger, and the buffett kids, there's a reason to pick on bob iger anymore than other ceos especially accessible one. he is an agent for the shareholders. so pick a salary, pick a good salary, even give him some incentive and forms of stock, and then pay it to him, and if he does not want that money but him go start a company is obviously do. but he does not need to be paid that multiple over what everybody else is paid for doing the shareholders bidding as opposed to entrepreneurs. >> kept the shoulder share him out. if you're treating a company and you don't like what the board is deciding what the executive should be paid, you dump their stock. >> impracticality they don't because the system is rigged in

their favor. you could, but it doesn't happen that way. almost ever. >> there's a little bit of don't hate the player, hate the game. the bottom line, gary is right in a sense, if you took the whole salary of this guy in a distributed to the employees, it would be $300 or $400 in a play. there is no way all those employees will add as much value. that said it's a crazy game with her over paid for top talent. the boards are saying there's a lot of back-and-forth going on. your ford ceo is running a very successful and they don't make the same ratio or money. if anyone company tried to do something about it, they would have a talent shortage. it cannot be done -- in fact, they are sort of making this because they are treated like salaries because it's mostly paid in stock and options.

incidentally that happened because the government tried to trick crack down on a lot of the salaries made it tax-deductible and encourage them to use stock options. which is why today amazon doesn't pay any income. it's a backlash -- >> i think it's a great point, but if you think it's a great problem in abigail disney in the buffett didn't do, then you could do the same thing with the employees. but instead give the employees a little crumb and the ceo this huge package. you can solve the problem just like that. >> if the employees and/or the shareholders and board are unhappy, they can walk. if you don't want to work for disney go somewhere else if you're so -- is a free market where these people make, why should the government need to step in or any other entity need to step in and decide what is fair or not fair. they're suggesting the government step in, jonas makes a good point. -- >> we need to make this multiple

two europeans that japanese domain. is there something special about our system? >> they don't mean too, but warren buffett doesn't need to have a billion dollars in a privatprivate plane but he doest the free market, who's gonna correct that by the way. >> at the end of the day having a free market system, i know the war and rage against the wealthy will continue to the 2020 election cycle, but it is better to have billionaires in your country versus have everyone at equal lower income pay import as in the case of cuba and venezuela. -- i'm coming back, i'm coming back. i have friends who have double the federal minimum wage to nearly $15 an hour and i think he has done an excellent job. 90% of his pay is based on performance. if there pain on performance is a good step. >> then let everybody employees pay be based on performance. >> there was bad movies in the

stock, these people being in soup kitchens,. >> there is little downside into much upside for it hard to get -- are the ceos worth a hundred million dollars who made 65 million lester, there's so many metrics to argue and debate, but let's remind your viewers that we do have fox coverage, fox business coverage in omaha with liz there, with the berkshire hathaway shareholders meeting, i want to make headlines from the meeting this weekend, she will bring out to us this monday and throughout. do not forget to follow her on facebook and twitter for a live update, in the meantime, president trump is running of a tipping point and venezuela. but could require our military to intervene, at least the boots on the ground, we will have the very latest from caracas. and from the foreign affairs committee how america should be responding.

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>> my son did not last, it was ten or 15 minutes after the shot he was taken to maddox without vital signs. with all the adrenaline, i will restart in the arm and the leg. it was 62 riverboats, my last sensation in my body, the bullets in my back and my arm, and i was on iraq underground the office is shot. it was not little shot from fargo running, i was on the floor and they taught me. >> for the past three months they have called the people out against the regime of nicolas maduro, the dispute that, they will do so again this can the interim president is recognized by juan guaido and he is calling for a new round of protest, saturday at 10:00 a.m. hope to keep the pressure on maduro

regime mexico so much stupid accident trump and mike pence with tough talk from venezuela affected defense secretary of mike gail of national security and john bolton at the beginning on today. let's man coming under democratic congressman who sits on the house committee, it is great to see if in the concerns to these classes and whether they get to more violent and how do you think minnesota is going to. >> i am concerned, i was just at the columbia and venezuela border this past weekend and there is no question we have a crisis that's going on. i think we have seen over the last couple of days, military option that we are hearing is not the right way to go. i think there has to be some negotiations that need to take place, a group that needs to be in front of us. >> how serious his

administration about being on the ground? >> there is conflicting evidence from just before coming in here, i would president trump who had a conversation with mr. not long ago and he seemed to contradict the secretary of state said. he does not want, he is telling his folks back on military on the ground. and as far as administration would president trump just said in his conversation with mr. boudin or was a tape player had said. , you tell me, you decide. >> you said both on the ground, is there any talk about money on the table ? we had problems with haiti and didn't bill clinton bribe the dictator to leave and read him a beach house and et cetera is that an option to give this guy a way out so he doesn't get hung by his own people is

called golden handcuffs ugly. is that something they still do a way out? >> i would not use that. i think what you do, you negotiate in any type of scenario, the general is out today, you would still have a crisis and venezuela. that is why it has to be talked about. it could cause devastation for the nations that border. that is why they had to be very much a part of this. when i look at the border, i was there this past weekend and see the number of individuals that were going back across if there were violent, that would be devastating and so you negotiate something in its entirety. so you check to figure out what is the best we can move and ultimately what has to happen in the negotiation there has to be free, open and fair election taking place. and so all of that is part of it and what happens maduro happens in that regards.

i don't think anyone can testify that under maduro's leadership there has been food shortages, lack of education, the economy has gone down, so those are just people. >> congressman, you show the opposition is against, but you think it would be in favor of. [hippos braying] to continue, i do think there against u.s. military intervention ? >> i think the lives that will be lost, the damage that would have, there would be further damage in the country itself i think there is a vacuum, and until recently, but the opposition, it is not been whole you talk about mr. lopez, they are both oppositions, candidates and have been opposition to one

another. it is a lot of work that still has to be done. overall folks that want destruction on the streets of innocent blood. >> let's listen to congressman omar and her views on what is good. she is getting a lot of back on the crisis in venice. >> a lot of the policies that we have in place has helped lead the devastation and venezuela initiatives and can shed the state that we are writing today. >> so congressman, she sits on the floor in relations committee as do you, what do you think of her comments? >> i have been involved in the western hemisphere for the last two years. i was down there when you go chavez was president, and i will tell you that the scenario of the united states as far as this crisis is concerned it had nothing to do with the decisions

that maduro has made especially in regards to the economy ambiguously, i reached out and will continue to reach out to see if we could get something done. it is clearly there has been a lot of fault. i know for example under the obama administration they tried to work things out and mr. maduro did not come to the table in the way he should have. >> so you disagree with omar's comments? >> yes. >> i will say congressman congress sounded a little bit out of crazy town in terms of not being constructive it seems my recollection of history, for us to have on the ground there has to be an american interest in having a military intervention in my right in

assuming and is there a clear american interest other than a humanitarian interest customer. >> i think you are right, the only thing right now as far as what's going on, we have to be concerned about the humanitarian interest in the citizens of venezuela and her allies at the border of venezuela because they were pretty deeply affected there also. >> we cannot invade a country to help it because we think it's a good idea right stomach. >> i am not at all suggesting or supporting, i will be opposed to invading or both on the ground and venezuela. i believe under believe we better sit down and negotiate i am in direct opposition of invading and paying boots on the ground in venice below. >> it is shockingly i agree with that, i have two questions for you, other than why should we be

involved in venezuela at all and if we're gonna be involved in venezuela from a humanitarian standpoint, why should we be involved with the other 60 or 50 countries. through the humanitarian crises jump talk today about venezuela and i was curious if you had any thoughts on that politically, economically or otherwise. >> going back to the last question and moving forward, i was surprised that mr. trump is in opposition of mr. pompeo in the conversation he didn't say the russians were involved in keeping maduro there, we had grip yesterday with mr. vale and said maduro is ready to leave and he didn't leave because of the russians. and seeing that the president had a different part of the so

that somewhat again we have to figure that out. again, i think that what we have is allies, columbia, but no, we want to make sure they are okay in the democracy is preserved. particularly in south america, just like i think we should do the same thing in the northern triangle we share the hemisphere together and democracy works hard to finally have the democratization in south america,. >> also. thank you so much for your time and great to see you. let's move on, we have a government report on the cost of medicare for all that could lead to problems on the campaign trail and democrats. more details on the that.

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>> the correctional budget office warning liberal democrats that liberal for all would be complicated and potentially disruptive in the c.b.o. saying it could lower cost but increased patient wait time and refuse access to care and cause government spending to rise

substantially. is this what is going to appeal to voters what you guys think questioning. >> first of all, it's like the green new deal, there is no such thing as medicare for all, if you're going to analyze the assumption about what it would look like as opposed to a real program and i would say secondly, as far as health is a place politically if it existed in 2020, which it won't, it depends if you have access to healthcare services now. if you have access now and you're not going to like the sounds of what they are reporting today. and if you are concerned that republican attacks on obamacare are going to hurt your ability to get access then you might go a different way. >> sometimes -- principle i agree with adam, but sometimes i think the centralized -- i know

you can stop the charade there. but sometimes we have a massive amnesia on the huge government programs, people rail against the ♪ ♪ under local motor vehicles we have enormous mate attend wait times and you have an efficient, we have seen the crimes that went on on the va hospital system, we have seen medicaid and medicare with fraud and inefficiency, yet we keep coming back and saying, no, let's give this program to the government to centralize. it is just idiotic. >> george mason university estimates it will cost $326 trillion to put that into perspective, it's a lowball estimate, a nearly doubled the size of the growth deficit. the question comes down to who is going to pay for this. >> i don't think what the cost is going to screw people way, the biggest negative for the selling of the voters, obamacare itself got away the bigger

problems itself. the costs are still escalating. but as far as previous conditions and not being able to afford insurance, it took away enough of the fear and whatever makes sense to go from the frankenstein to another system, medicare is not single-payer, it only private insurance, is totally complicated, all getting handouts from the government, its broad, there is no good story even if we could get on board with the cost. >> it sounds great, policies by slogan. let's talk about something we continue to talk about at this rate. the college admission scheme, new developments and the largest one ever and the largest payment to date, why my own jamie mother accused of paying out more than $6 million. million, to get her daughter into stamford, now she says she

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and when it is, a few hours of shuteye to rest up for tomorrow, the day we'll finally get something done. ( ♪ ) . >> with new developments to the story we buy yesterday the chinese mother paying six six.$5 million to get her daughter into stanford saying she was duped she thought she was making a donation to the school for scholarships and athletic programs and not arrive her attorney says she has been taken advantage of.

no apical this is a believable. and the wealthy father met with president trump i just have the feeling the media will try to spin this and does not even recall that executive is. >> if that's true give it to the school americans give millions of dollars. also with the whole a meritocracy in america we make it legal with nondisclosure agreements but in china the grass is very obvious. but then it looks like what do you mean? . >> that's a great way to end

it on a friday. thank you to our panel who was fantastic. thank you so much for a wonderful show. have yourself a wonderful weekend. that is it for bulls and bears. . >> a big jobs number and a sizzling market rally capping joe biden the rough two weeks as his campaign kicks off debuting on "the ed sullivan show" and back then it was half the size that it is now with bernie sanders also "the washington post" and now a top pentagon official all slamming joe biden for misguided claims that china is no real competition to america as us steel is investing $5 million in pittsburgh where joe biden lost his campaign to say the middle classes left