>> i love you. trish: kennedy begins right now. i'll see you monday. ♪ ♪ kennedy: thank you, trish, and happy early are mother's day to you and yours. my girls and i are starting an illegal gambling wring. breaking news, we are now just three hours until the president drops devastating new tariffs on china. will there be a trade deal at the buzzer? we've got a live report on all of it ahead and, believe me, there are some moving parts here. it's a nail-biter. first up, it looks like the tables have finally turned. the doj inspector general reportedly set to release his report, and as you know, that means we could, at last, find out how the deep state tried the kneecap the president and the role the hillary clinton campaign may have played in all

of it. for more than two years, michael horowitz has been investigating the investigators. he's trying to find out whether the fbi used an unverified document to get a warrant to snoop on then-candidate trump. the so-called dirty dossier, done dirt cheap. it was produced by former british spy and general shadeball, christopher steele. i don't trust him just from the looks of him. he claimed the trump campaign had all sorts of contacts with the russians and that moscow had some naughty videos of trump in hotel rooms. very little, if any of it, has been verified and was true. and very prominently featured anytime, former, rather, trump foreign policy adviser, carter page. he was on the show a while back. the feds reportedly used the report to spy on him. although he was never indicted. quite a magnet though. a few weeks ago when he was on, he explained how he's innocent and how the dossier has ruined his life. but here's where things get really interesting. the dnc and the clinton campaign

were the ones who funded the dossier to an opposition research group -- good lord -- fusion gps. too many ss. which it reached out to and contacted christopher steele. it then ended up at the fbi, as did steele himself. the director at the time none other than james comey. nervous as hell about the inspector general's report and rightly so. why is he nervous? because it may show that he authorized spying on a political campaign based on evidence that was flimsy at best. moments ago he defended himself on a cnn town hall. watch. >> you think the inspector general will find nothing inappropriate? >> i don't think so, at least not that i know of. but if they do, they do, and they should be transparent about it. >> cnn has spoken to people within the fbi who said they have concerns that the inspector general could find something, and they're bracing for what will be uncovered. >> if the truth was there is

something concerning, then let's hear it. i don't know of anything like that. kennedy: i don't know. it's important to understand one thing here. even if you can't stand the president -- and a lot of people can't -- this should all be very alarming regardless of who is sitting in the white house or who wants to sit there. we cannot allow the government to break the law and spy on people for political purposes. so will comey face any accountability, and will hillary trade her pantsuit for an orange jump suit? let's meet tonight's panel and discuss all of it. from fox nation where she serves as host of un-pc, brit mchenry is here. of and former adviser to hillary clinton's campaign and democratic strategist antjuan seawright, he's got a palmetto on his lapel. and from the federalist, emily yo shin sky is back in action. >> good to see you. kennedy: so much to dive into, so let's start with the investigation. what do we know right now about

what michael horowitz is homing in on? >> well -- [laughter] a "wall street journal" report that broke recently talks about how horowitz is zooming in on an internal fbi document where they were saying that the dossier -- that steele's work was minimally corroborated. and if the fbi had this document at the time and was already questioning his work while they were using his work to obtain a fisa warrant on carter page, what is going on, horowitz is asking those important questions, we don't know the answers yet, but it's heartening to know he's asking them. >> i'm a big believer in timing, and it's so -- kennedy: that's weird, because i'm a big believer in civil liberties. go ahead. [laughter] >> so ironic and awkward that we're having these discussions about hillary clinton right after we end this intense conversation about the mueller report. we know that donald trump jr.'s going to be hauled into the

senate -- the republican senate committee. i just find all of this to be awkward that trump's administration officials are now -- kennedy: so you don't trust the trump administration. >> no, i'm not saying that. i just find it awkward -- kennedy: i mean, you shouldn't. i don't trust anyone who has that much power. the big, glaring thing here is we have to figure out what's wrong so we can fix it, because if you're worried about the trump administration -- and as a democrat, you should be, because he's coming after you. he's coming after joe biden, bernie sanders and everybody else, and if what they did was completely above board and if james comey allowed for this level of spying on political operatives, then that's okay to do this time around, isn't it? >> let me tell you my biggest worry -- kennedy: answer that question, please. >> we're using this dangerous word called spying. and while all of us in the bubble understand that's a political term -- >> why is it dangerous? >> because it's -- kennedy: surveillance can be worse than spying, and we've spent way too much --

>> i think surveillance is the correct term instead of spying -- >> why rewe talking about that? what is the relevant of that -- relevance of that right now? kennedy: you talk about misdirect, that's the ultimate misdirect. the is semantic distinction between words that essentially mean the same thing, and -- [inaudible conversations] using the word spying and the republicans using the word -- kennedy: no, problematic for democrats, that's why you -- >> i don't think so. >> yes. and so to kennedy's question, why is that concern not bipartisan? i mean, this is like a serious concern about government overreach. where is your share for that concern? >> i think we're yet to be determined. if something is wrong, i think you and i will be singing from the same sheet of notes -- kennedy: let's bring brit in. >> there's a lot of shrugging of the shoulders. i think of james comey looking up in the woods when throughout

this whole process the trump administration has been under extreme heat with the mueller report to see if there is collusion, and you can't just dismiss that in, you know, this flimsy dossier and say, oh, this happened then, and hillary clinton's not the president when she was fundamental in all of this happening. in all of this being financed. and her now saying she's such a stickler for the rule of law, there's many examples we could show where she had extreme contempt for it. kennedy: james comey said that. he was also one of the investigators during the white water era. he's had it in for the clintons for a long, long time -- [inaudible conversations] >> that they distinctly got the clintons on. it didn't mean there wasn't some sketchy -- kennedy: and maybe the i'm sorry g. report -- i.g. report will say nothing. the dnc knew, they were really shady, this was under debbie wasserman schultz, this shouldn't happen again, but will there be any real accountability? i don't think so. i don't think anything's going

to change. i think both parties are going to go to weird places in eastern europe, including russia -- [inaudible conversations] >> the democrats make the same argument about the mueller report, nothing happened -- kennedy: they didn't say that. let's wait for the mueller report because -- >> no, no. [inaudible conversations] >> when we -- kennedy: the puppet for putin. >> when we make the argument, all hell breaks loose on the republican side. kennedy: because your argument is null and void because what you promised would be in the -- with that great deal of certainty -- wasn't there. >> kennedy -- kennedy: so people, independents like me, ready to move on. and one of the reasons i want to move on is limiting the size and scope of the federal government starting with surveillance power. >> we cannot move on because we do not know what the redacted portions of that report, and we have not heard from the special prosecutor. of and what we knew is he threw an alley-oop on a 7-foot rim to the congress to do their job of

oversight, and it has -- kennedy: his job was making prosecutorial decisions. i want to ask a little bit about don jr. because he now has been issued a subpoena by the republican-controlled senate intelligence committee x now there's in-fighting within republicans who are going after the chairman of that committee saying, hey, bro, this isn't right. >> they're making this point that don jr. has spent time in front of multiple committees, has testified for hours. we've had two years of the mueller report, the mueller investigation, what other questions can you possibly have for don jr.? now, at the same time, i'm not -- i don't think this is that big of a deal, but i understand why republicans would be upset -- kennedy: so let me ask brett -- brit, sorry, because bret baier's not here. [laughter] brit, let me ask you, is don jr. the path is city? is he the -- patsy? is he the fall guy? >> absolutely. this was such a disappointment to the democrats in congress, they wanted to get trump in the mueller report. mueller was their savior before this happened. and i think, you know, i'm not

excusing it, but if anything, it's been reported and out there that don jr., it was more ignorance or laziness or to not being around politics and knowing what was going on. you're shocking your head, what are you trying to find out about him? >> you would be jumping off this damn table if you, if this was barack obama and his kids and the way that this report was written about donald trump jr. that's number one. number two -- kennedy: oh, i'm going to stop you right there. you're saying that robert mueller thought a sitting president couldn't be charged. guess who can be? someone who commits obstruction. someone like don jr. if he committed obstruction and it was so bad and the case that was laid out against him was so damaged, he -- [inaudible conversations] >> to the point, to the point i made to you and this wonderful panel earlier, i think he gave that to congress to -- kennedy: no. >> to flush out. kennedy: no. he is special counsel. he had $35 million, endless

resources, endless time. he can make those decisions. that was his job. if you want to make the case -- hold on. if you want to make the case that a sitting president cannot be charged, that's one thing. don jr., not a sitting president. therefore, your argument that any, any accountability, criminal or otherwise, for him goes to congress? that's b.s. on a stick. >> kennedy -- kennedy: and i will not buy that at the carnival. >> watch these words very quickly. the redacted portion of that report indicate that something in the middle ain't clean. and i'm willing to bet you, i'm willing to bet you that the republican-chaired intelligence committee knows something, and that is the reason why he's hauling don jr -- kennedy: but what do you think that would be, what's already out there? >> i don't know -- >> like, i don't think -- [inaudible conversations] >> william barr is donald trump's appointee. we all know -- kennedy: what about mark warner? what about mark warner?

>> he's, what, the ranking member. that's why they're calling don jr. in. >> "the washington post" report on this says they were rankled by the idea that don jr. wasn't complying with the original agreement that they had set forth, and that's why -- kennedy: he's a patsy though. he's a fall guy. >> you know what's so strange and funny about this conversation? you all republicans have -- kennedy: i'm not a republican. >> -- the committee, i mean, the political party -- kennedy: everyone has switched roles. democrats used to fight for civil liberties, now they block them. >> democrats have been accused -- [inaudible conversations] >> that's hauling in the president's sop. >> i think it's a funny thing that democrats were so excited about the mueller report, then they get the report, and now it's not enough. [inaudible conversations] kennedy: all right. we have got more with the panel coming up. but guess what? breaking news on this tariff fight with china. midnight, that's the deadline to reach a trade deal. will they work something out,

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kennedy: breaking news with the trade negotiations that are going on with china, we're told that goargters did not make a deal, and now we're being told it's up to president trump and chinese president xi to work something out. these fellas have to get it done by midnight or tariff gremlins will wreak havoc on our economy. president trump has been threatening tariffs on $200 billion worth of chinese goods. the two nations were very close to an agreement last week before negotiations fell apart and left us on the verge of a protracted trade war. the president told reporters he received, quote, a beautiful letter from president xi jinping prior to today's meeting, so can negotiators beat the clock, or will we be paying tariffs on that too? here with the very latest from washington, d.c. live, it's edward lawrence. eddie? >> reporter: hey, kennedy. yeah, there was no breakthrough tonight. in fact, the two sides met for two hours and 45 minutes first

at u.s. trade representative's office, then for dinner at the metropolitan club in washington d.c. sources inside say the chinese vice premier sat across from the delegation and told them there is nothing more he can do. now it will be up to president trump and president xi jinping to see if they can work this out. in fact, the two presidents are supposed to have a phone call later on today. or later -- at some point between today and tomorrow. but, again, it appears right now the tariffs will go into effect. 10% tariffs up to 25% on $200 billion worth of chinese goods. the president earlier today saying it's china that backed out. >> the vice premier's coming here today. we were getting very close to a deal, then they started to renegotiate the deal. we can't have that. we can't have that. >> reporter: and the president saying that the administration is also filing the paperwork starting today to put the rest of what china imports to the united states under a 25%

tariff. that means at least for the $200 billion on friday what you buy from china could cost you more. we're talking everything from strawberries to parking meters to inflatable rafts could cost you a little bit more. the chinese vow that they will take countermeasures. it's unclear exactly what they could be because they already have tariffed $110 billion worth of stuff that we import into china, that's about everything that we export out of the united states and put into china. so we don't know what those countermeasures will be, we'll find out tomorrow. but, again, a phone call is supposed to happen to see if they can work this out. we'll see. kennedy: oh, mercy. i hope they have service. edward lawrence, thank you very much. oh, by the way, edward -- okay, nothing, now, we're good. you good? you okay? >> reporter: i think we're good. it's been a long day. kennedy: is the president and the other president, are they going to come together? >> reporter: you know, they're going to try. they're going to talk about it,

but i think that president donald trump has basically put the line in the sand and said, look, we already paused on this for, what, since march until now? therefore, we've done what we need to do. the chinese need to come -- they've already made the agreements. u.s. trade representative robert lighthizer told me, look, we agreed on this, and now you've gone back. he said i'm not willing to go back and renegotiate what's already been agreed to. so, yeah, we're at an impasse here. kennedy: careless whispers. thank you, edward. if no deal happens, what could that mean for you? the tariffs on nearly 6,000 goods will cause prices to rise on products, everything from car parts to electronics, even meat and breakfast cereal which i combine every morning. it could hurt small businesses marley hard. foxbusiness.com interviewed a soybean farmer from luscious indiana who said, quote: we're paying that tariff. i want there to be no mistake that the consumer is paying for these tariffs. i wish china was paying them.

i certainly would feel better about it that way. the president argues that these tactics are aggressive and necessary to create fairer trade between the u.s. and china, but is the cost worth it? and if it backfired, could it hurt the president in 2020? joining me now, wisconsin republican congressman sean duffy who introduced a bill dealing with the tariffs back in january. sean, mixed reviews from your home state of wisconsin, you know? of course there are some farmers and those who work in agriculture who love the president, and they will follow him up any hill and others who see their bottom line that is going to be affected in the very near future. so what do you have to say to some of your constituents back home? >> first off, you mentioned soybeans, soybeans is a product that we grow in the u.s. that china has come after. in my district, i'm centered in northern wisconsin, we are like the napa valley of gin tseng, and china has snapped tariffs on

that as well. it has been troubling for our farmers. now, our dairy farmers are having problems as well, but those are some other market issues that are taking place with dairy. but i'm going to tell you what a lot of the farmers support the president because they see the risk and the threat from china. and in the report, think it's important to puppet -- put a point on the fact that the u.s. and china have been negotiating for months and coming with points of agreement, and a week ago the chinese came in, and they just ripped it up. kennedy: yeah, that's absolutely right. they e completely e went back on what they had agreed to on the all-important intellectual property theft. and that is unacceptable. they do need this. their economy is slowing because the tariffs are starting to hurt them much more quickly than they are here in the united states. >> they are. kennedy: and, you know, they're having a harder time buying some american products, and american car manufacturers were making great headway in china, but now

because of the tariffs on those goods, people aren't buying them, and it's slowing down a lot of business in china. who needs this deal more right now? >> and not only that, you've seen a reordering of the supply chain, kennedy. a lot of companies that were manufactured in china, they see the trade friction, and they see the fact that china actually steals their technology and reproduces on the products that they, you know, have spent millions or billions of dollars investing in and bringing to market. they had to steal it with a hacker, the chinese do, and come to market with the same products. so you're seeing companies moving out of the chinese market also having an impact on them. i think this is a greater threat to china than the u.s. right now. kennedy: that's a longer term solution, but a lot of countries -- >> but it's happening. it's happening. kennedy: -- don't have the infrastructure, the factories, the workers up and running right now. ultimately, will they if the u.s. moves a great deal of investment over there? >> i think so.

kennedy: at some point, yes, but right now -- >> you're right, but it's happening. kennedy: -- 14,000 jobs in the short term are at risk in wisconsin. >> so here's what the president should do. the money that we get from these tariffs, i'm a supporter of farmers. one of the reasons why we've never fixed this problem of an unfair trade relationship with the rest of the world is every time we try to fix it, our trading partner will go after american agriculture, and that's our achilles heel, and we crumble. finish. kennedy: that's what china's doing. >> i'm not handout guy, kennedy, i'm a free market guy. kennedy: amen, hallelujah. >> but the president should actually support our farmers and maybe there's some subsidies that come from -- kennedy: no subsidies. >> -- the revenue from -- kennedy: no subsidies. >> one point that's a real problem -- kennedy: you have about ten seconds. >> so we have nafta. and so american-made items pay the tariff to come in from china, but if you're a company

that produces in mexico, you don't pay a tariff, and because of nafta, you get tariff-free. we're sometimes incentivizing an american-made product to go to mexico and then be brought into the u.s. and we can't compete. this is a perverse outcome -- kennedy: yet we have the tightest labor market we've seen -- >> you're right. kennedy: -- in 60 years, so something's working! more free trade, fewer subsidies, and thank you, and congratulations on the future birth of your -- >> baby number nine. kennedy: well done, sean duffy! e. >> i'm as career. [laughter] kennedy: very good, thank you. coming up, john bolton reportedly pushing the white house to pull the trigger in a number of global hot spots like venezuela and iran, but is the president fed up with bolton's thirst for confrontation? my e memo is next. ♪ ♪ this is not a bed.

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kennedy: well, since things have gone to shinola in venezuela, head scratchers are wondering how the pepper president of intervention boiled over so quickly. clearly, juan guaido either had bad intel or bad instincts, but his moment's fizzled, and maduro is no closer to exiling than aoc is to running the heritage foundation. one of the loudest trolls trying to get guaido in and a maduro to a beach and american tanks rolling down caracas avenue is none other than militarist john bolton. the president has only been half joking that bolton wants thoim get into a war -- wants him to get into a war. while bolton is swinging around phrases like military action for venezuela and unrelenting force toward a pet atlanta iran, this is also the cuddly fellow who authored the op-ed the legal case for striking north korea

first. that's fun. bolton has always had a skirmish fetish, and it's no surprise the president's national security adviser's salty battle barbs are growing directly proportion naught to a triumvirate of iran, venezuela and north korea all at the same time. all three are heavily sanctioned, but if bolton had his way, they'll also be heavily shelled as the interventionist may be going rogue under the president's nose. the president may be an unorthodox negotiator, no doubt about that, but his anti-interventionist streak has been one of the most pleasantly consistent things about him. he's been serious about drawing down troops in afghanistan and syria, and he clearly wants victory with his chubby buddy in north korean. i get the sense that these are bolton's fantasies and the president is right the shun this military pornography before it turns into full-scale nuclear prostitution. the john bolton needs to be brought down a peg, and the

president needs to refocus his diplomacy while sir cookie duster thinks about the virtues of peace while he sits in timeout far away from his box of tempting guns, and that's the memo. now earlier today the president said he's actually the calming influence in john bolton's life. really? >> john's very good. john is a, he has strong views on things, but that's okay. i actually temper john, which is pretty amazing, isn't it? [laughter] nobody thought that was -- i'm the one that tempers him, but that's okay. kennedy: ah, he's his yoko. the president has non-interventionist instincts, in fact. he ran to -- on that in 2016. joining me now, kentucky republican congressman and house oversight committee member thomas massie. welcome back, congressman. >> thank you, kennedy. you're absolutely correct. i was in iowa campaigning with rand, and i saw that the

president, president trump, had non-interventionist instincts, and he was getting a lot of the people that would have vote for rand, but he realizes that's the popular position, is not to be the world's policeman. so it's ironic that he has his national security adviser, a man who wants to topple every regime. if there's a regime on the globe that he doesn't want to topple, i'm not aware of it. kennedy: yeah. >> i mean, he wants to topple iran, syria, cuba, venezuela -- kennedy: china. >> north korea, libya. yeah. [laughter] if there's a regime, john bolton wants to topple it. and on the issue of venezuela, i don't care if your favorite founding father is washington or jefferson or hamilton or madison, the one thing they all agreed on is the president does not have the power to commit our troops to war. so there needs to be a vote if this is going to happen. there has to be a vote and a debate in congress. now, i wouldn't vote for it. i don't think we should go to

war in venezuela. but if you think we should, then you at least have to acknowledge we have a constitution, and it's illegal and unconstitutional as hell to send our troops there. and to call it article ii -- kennedy: absolutely right. >> article ii, section two diplomacy. kennedy: no, it's very interesting because while some of your democratic colleagues are more interested in holding william barr in contempt than actually legally reclaiming some of their congressional power, this is the how you go about it. and this is what you do, you use the constitution as your guide. and it's written like that for a reason. these are the rules that we agreed to, yet they have been violated consistently since 2001. >> that's absolutely true. and my colleagues, a lot of them are cowards. some of them would like to have a vote on this, they just can't get the leadership to do it. but some of them really are

cowards. they don't want to vote on it. behind closed doors some republicans and some democrats -- not all -- are telling the leadership don't let this come to a vote. i mean, we drug them kicking and screaming to get a vote on yemen, but that was only after the fact were we able to do that. kennedy: and it's so weird because, you know, to your point very quickly -- i know you want to add on to that -- it's so so bizarre when mike lee and bernie sanders are the odd couple in congress who are spearheading legislation to limit some of this military action. >> yeah. they were spearheading the yemen effort to get us out of yemen, our involvement there. now, in the house we have a bill, your listeners and viewers can looked it up, it's h.r. 1004. there are 60 democrats and 1 republican. i bet you can't guess who the republican is, who are on that bill that says no military intervention in venezuela unless we authorize it constitutionally -- kennedy: absolutely right.

no, you can't just willy-nilly, and the thing is i bet john bolton is hoping that he can just wear down the president a little bit. because john bolton is very smart. he's well spoken, and he's incredibly convincing when he makes these forceful arguments. and so what he's hoping is that he can get in the president's ear and that congress isn't going to do anything, and he's not going to have the president seek congressional authorization for an incursion in venezuela, which is, it's immoral. >> that's right. and even if it were constitutional, it may not be moral. if you were to go through congress and declare a war on venezuela. why don't we let socialism fail on its own? instead of doing -- you know, we may end up doing what we did in cuba which is to give, we gave castro an excuse as to why his communism was failing. heed -- he blamed us -- kennedy: i'm so glad you were

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♪ ♪ kennedy: welcome back. last month marked 25 years since nirvana frontman kurt cobain committed suicide at age 27 during the height of the band's success. the singer shot himself after a long struggle with depression and addiction. danny goldberg managed nirvana as they skyrocketed to fame and became one of the most iconic rock acts in the world. he grew very close to kurt and spent time with him just days before his death. he writes about it in a fascinating new book, "serving the servant: remembering kurt cobain." i spoke to danny goldberg

earlier: i want to know from you, what is more important, is it to have a truthful, honest picture kurt cobain, or is idealizing him good enough? >> well, i do idealize him, and that's truthful to me. i saw him as a genius and a lovely perp. he had demons, and they ultimately killed him, but i don't think any two people saw him exactly the same way. he was a really complicated human being. so my book is a personal memoir. i'm not a historian of nirvana, i'm writing a memoir of the guy that i loved and worked with. kennedy: and it was really interesting because when i was at mtv, and i was there from '92-'97, and i was there, of course, after nevermind had come out, and it was this explosion the likes of which we hadn't seen in our lifetimes and could only reference certain acts really from the '60s. but i always felt that -- and maybe this was from your end as a manager -- that kurt was kind

of coddled and protected from the sharp edges of media, especially at mtv. is that true? >> i don't know. he -- what the sharp edges would have been. kennedy: you said in the book that he was very sensitive to criticism and from too much pressure from mtv, but he also hated being ignored by mtv. >> well, he definitely of watched mtv, and he liked it when the videos were on, and he did a lot with mtv, you know, the unplugged, and he did a session after nevermind of some of the songs, and he did interviews on different shows. so, you know, mtv in general was not a adversary journalistic force to the music business. it was, in general, was glorifying the artists whose videos they played. it wasn't fox or cnn or something like that. so, but i think he was an artest that meant a lot to people, and

they recognized that he was somebody special. i think he helped mtv, and mtv helped them. kennedy: what is his lasting legacy, and what is it about -- because there are other artists who took their own lives and who perished from his generation and beyond. but what is it about him specifically that resonates with much younger fans? because you talk about going to occupy wall street and seeing people and meeting people there who still, like, their love and admiration for him is still very present, and these are people who, you know, didn't hear "smells like teen spirit" when it first came out, obviously. >> yeah. i've been taken just seeing people in their early 20s walking down the street with nirvana t-shirts who weren't even alive when kurt died. and there's something about his art and the way he identified with teenage alienation and loneliness that transcends his times. few artists transcend their times. i think bob marley does, john

coltrane did. kurt's on that short list of people whose songs were not just about the time he was living in, but somehow got into something deeper. he's on a rare, he's a rare talent. kennedy: if he had lived through his depression and addiction, if he had made it through that time and, you know, subsequently in the sort of post-mtv era, what do you think he would be doing now? >> he'd be doing something creative, that's for sure. he was an artist to his core. what that art would be, i don't know. he wouldn't be repeating himself, i'm sure of that, because he was always trying to evolve and experiment with new things. but i don't pretend to be smart enough to know what he'd be doing now, i just know it'd be something creative. kennedy: were you still managing them during the mtv nirvana unplugged? >> yeah, i was involved as a co-manager. i had taken a record company job, so i had kind of a dual

role, but i stayed involved with nirvana's career -- i wasn't there that night. kennedy: i always wanted to know, they finished their performance, and they left for, like, an hour and a half with the audience still in the sony auditorium, and then they didn't play again. i always wanted to know what happened. did they watch the whole thing and just decided that was it? >> he was happy with it, you know? it's an incredible performance, i think. it's as good an album as the studio albums are, and i think it's one of the best unpluggeds, and he knew what he wanted to do, and that's all he wanted to do. kennedy: obviously, as a manager, you want your band to be successful. you want that manifestation of their creativity and for people to appreciate that. but was there ever a point where you felt like it was too big? >> no. [laughter] never. i think he liked being successful. it didn't solve all his emotional problems, obviously. it didn't make his demons go away, obviously. but he preferred success to a lack of it, and he worked very

hard to maintain it. kennedy: well, thank you very much for taking the time to talk and for writing the book. >> thank you. i so much appreciate being able to talk about it with you. thanks, kennedy. kennedy: thank you, danny. danny goldberg. how about that? we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ did you know with vanishing deductible, you can earn $100 off your deductible for every year of safe driving? sing that. ♪ vanishing deductible, you can... ♪ ♪ earn $100... ♪ earn $100 off... ♪ off your deductible. ♪ deductible. ♪ for every year of safe driving. ♪ ♪ for every-- for every-- ♪ ♪ for every year of safe driving. ♪ what are you-- what key are you in? "e." no, no, go to "g." "g" will be too high. not for me. ♪ vanishing deductible. oh, gosh. sweet, sweet.

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