action just an amazing man as they all are. time to remember heroes, right? >> it's a wonderful time. we should remember that. david: heroes, family, freedom. neil cavuto. perfect cue for you. neil: amen to that, david. we're celebrating america's success not just with the world cup but with an economy apparently making many in the world jealous. before the 4th, the rush to simply get out of town as gas prices are shooting up. new backlash over nike nixing that betsy ross flag. alveda king says, unless something else changes, that backlash will get worse a lot worse. questioning that citizenship census. apparently back on. more the question in the citizenship census that was supposedly out. not so. blake burman with more at the white house. hey, blake. reporter: let me walk you through what happened in the last 24 hours or so because yesterday the commerce

department through the commerce secretary wilbur ross put out a statement essentially saying that the 2020 census would go forward without the citizenship question, even though they don't agree with it, even though they don't like it, the census is being printed. here is what the commerce secretary said yesterday, quote, the, he said he respect the supreme court but strongly disagree with its ruling regarding my decision to reinstate a citizenship question on the 2020 census. the census bureau started process printing the questionnaires without the census. my focus, that of the bureau and entire department is to conduct a complete and accurate census. seems pretty straightforward, right? just a while ago we got the tweet from the president. the news reports about the department of commerce dropping the quest to put the citizenship question on the sin ses is indirect, state differently, fake. we are absolutely moving forward as we must because of the importance of the answer to this

question? so let's try to go through all of this real quickly, neil. just spoke to a source who is familiar with the president's thinking on all of this. here's what i was told. at this point the president views this as a matter of principle. that what the president is trying to do right now is clarify that even though the form is being printed without the question, he is going to continue to pursue this on a matter of principle. that the president feels this is a good principle. of course last week the supreme court kicked it the decision back to a lower court saying the commerce department failed to justify the proposal that got us to the moment where the census had to be printed rather without the question. now we have got the president weighing in. bottom line here, the 2020 census, still being printed, still being printed without the citizenship question on it. but you can expect to see more tweets, statements, comments like this from the president, as

he feels it's a matter of principle still worth pursuing. neil? neil: the news never reached wilbur ross apparently, right? reporter: i should add, we reached out to the commerce department, at this point they said they had no comment. neil: >> dishlous think done, my friend. thank you very, very much. meantime look at the dow in and out of session highs for the day. well into record territory. we'll see if this holds. we'll see if it holds 57 minutes. markets close early today ahead of the july 4th holiday which they will be closed. s&p 500 also in record territory. nasdaq only couple points away, big catalysts peter navarro apparently saying among other things in a bloomberg interview, seeing the dow gets to 30,000 no problem, if two things happen, fed cuts interest rates, more to the point we see progress on trade ultimately approved, not with china, but that mexican canadian pact approved in congress.

didn't even get into the china thing. those two things happen we're at 30,000. i do not know how likely that could be, a lot of big up arrows today. "fbn:am" co-host lauren simonetti looking at all of the above. >> pointing out any move today in the up direction but it can be outsized because of low volume with shortened trading day, the market closing tomorrow, s&p it is trying for three for three, three record closes in a row. the dow might close, looks like it will close at the first record of the entire year. some say this is a cruise control market. hopes for a trade deal with china are buying investors these new highs but we are seeing, neil, these cracks beginning to form. here is one of them. private sector hiring last month, disappointed 102,000 jobs added. the expectation? 140,000. the adp number ahead of friday's june jobs report, that is expected to show 160,000 jobs added while unemployment rate stays at 3.6%.

a strong jobs number for june, after may's big disappointment might confirm this is economy is continuing to accelerate but fears are growing of a deceleration and that might show up on corporate balance sheets. bloomberg data show more than 80% of companies in the s&p 500 cut their profit estimates for the second quarter that is the most since 2015. a profit downturn was averted in first quarter. may be inevitable amid higher input costs, stronger u.s. dollar and an uncertain trade relationship with china and europe as the u.s. looks to impose tariffs on both of those. the federal reserve can provide support to the economy with a rate cut that could happen this month. some analysts say, that potential cut already priced into the market. but remember, the fed cannot print an earnings report. while wall street is closed tomorrow for the fourth, the president's twitter account neil, is not. there is always the possibility that a trump trade tweet or any

other tweet can change things. neil: in a heartbeat. lauren simonetti. the president was talking about monetary policies abroad and how they are impacting on the trade front saying china and europe, they're playing a big currency manipulation game, pumping money into their system in order to compete with the usa. what he is saying in the strongest terms we should be doing the same here to just level the playing field. of course that would be up to the federal reserve there. so far no indications whether the federal reserve is going to act immediately to cut rates. expectations given some of the data it will likely happen later this month. get the read from market watchers veer veronique today rueing by.

we have the gauge out. slowdown, 80% of the s&p 500, sort of dialing back earnings estimates and worries. i'm wondering whether that will prove the catalyst for this? no jawboning from the president, just that stuff? >> what bothers me about this notion that the fed needs to intervene is we are not looking at the reasons why there are some slow downs and worries in the first place. as we've been talking about for a long time, worries over trade, having a trade deal made sooner than later is feeding ton of uncertainty, a ton of worries when the you have the dow commerce trending down for a while. i think it is a little better now and you had the reverse of the yield curve it is awe saying the same thing, fix policies, fundamentals, and federal

reserve to inject sugar into the economy may give us a sugar rush in the short term, will not address the fundamental question and longer. by the way the fact that the european central bank is doing it is even less of a good reason to do it because the europeans have so many fundamental problems to address before they resort to fake stimulus that certainly not, we shouldn't be taking our cues from them. neil: i wondered about that as well. jared, one of the conundrums from the president, we have strong recovery, 11th year he take as bow for big chunk of that, we would be blaming him if it were not doing as well but whether you want to pin this on the president or his predecessor where a lot of this started, the fact of the matter the strong enough to warrant the federal reserve not doing anything, if you're doing it on the basis of helping your trade posture, that might not be enough, right?

>> yeah, no, okay. there is partial reason to follow europe and to follow china. remember we're so interrelated in trade, right? that gets back to the other problem. if their currencies become so devalued because of monetary policy, and ours are so strong it creates a problem both in trade and in earnings. in a way we're almost forced to sort of not follow their lead but at least cheapen our currency, if you will a little bit. maybe inject some stimulus to keep the late-stage going. neil, yeah, i do think that we need more than just a trade deal. we are pretty far along. a lot of these factory numbers, productivity numbers are showing at least slowing. i'm not saying we're headed for recession this year, but you get ahead of the curve. you stimulate now, like the rest of the world is doing. listen, we would be fools not to follow along, at least partially with china, europe, by keeping market stimulated. ps, jerome powell is on board with it. he said specifically, we are

here to sustain the expansion. you know what? he changed a 180 when the markets were selling off in december. not like we had recessionary numbers. all of sudden we need to change things, their impetus, their push came from the equity markets in a big way, at least in my opinion, and a lot of my colleagues. neil: thank you both very much. keeping you informed back home, we're about 50 minutes away from the close of trading in this country at the corner of wall and broad. at the pace we are going looks like we'll have a record on the dow, certainly a record on the s&p, also close to a record on the nasdaq. the president is one to crow about these markets. it has been the wind at his back, how long it continues? well that depends, after this. [] exactly, nothing. they're completely different people,

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neil: as you heard right now pride is at record low as they have been doing polls since 2001. record low among key demographic groups. the majority of democrats, the lowest it has ever been. americans are concerned whether we're really all that. the president might be trying to rec if rectify that, a key deal-maker, put tanks on the 4th of july in washington, celebrate the big day, with dozens along constitution avenue, elsewhere. it reinforces american pride thing. i don't know whether hardware like that will do it but hudson institute senior fellow rebecca heinrichs says it may come at a time when americans could use kind of a boost. rebecca, if you're a superpower, you don't have to show you're a

superpower. it is understood. you're america, you're super pow. neil: your thought? >> i agree, neil. we do the massive military shows of force abroad because we're advertising to enemies, don't mess with us. look at firepower we have, air power we have, look at ships and aircraft carriers we have, non-the less what americans concerning about president trump is doing, is little overdone. we have tanks before. kennedy, eisenhower, had tanks in inauguration. we used to have tanks in parades after world war i, to instill american pride in our military. we should check that, to have introspective. at the root, neil, the problem with americans is really dip in patriotism comes from democrats. it has plummeted during the trump years because they hate the guy in the white house. we need to focus on what it means to be american. look at our founding. look what it means. where this country has erred. because we've fallen short of those principles, not because

there is something wrong with our country, in and of itself. neil: believe me, the fact you're saying it, i will go with that view then. here is what i think. when you have to showcase tanks, me thinks that maybe, that is a little bit of an oversell. you're quite right. john kennedy at his inauguration, not only feature famous pt 109, they were set occasions set time. this reminds me of moscow parades with all the arsenal. i always think, you're compensating for something. i don't what it is about you guys. we never have to kind of do that. i feel if you're trying to throttle americans with this kind of stuff, you're overpitching. >> if it were me, what i would tell people every 4th of july, this is a time to get with your families, communities, have the barbecues, have the little parades in the main streets. thank veterans whenever you see them. teach your kids to do that.

go back look at the american founding. what makes us great. rights come from god. government does not give us rights. government is there to protect our rights this is not a republican or democrat thing. this is an american thing. when it comes to the military firepower. you can go to the air force base and airshows and f-16s, bombers, show the kids throughout the year. that is a great thing. i understand the point you're making, neil. i understand the money used for that is diverted from some of the money already appropriated. i don't know if it is a big increase in spending. neil: 2 1/2 million dollars. these days, people just sort blase, accept that. you served this country nobley. you're far more attuned to this sort of thing. i think if you take a holiday like, this really not supposed to be about politics, not supposed to be taking a strong stand or the other, showing america at its best.

don't know when we cross over into tanks and all this stuff. >> well -- neil: not looking like the tin pot dictators. >> could be anomaly this year. neil: you're right. >> perspective is good. to be clear, i have served in the congress as civilian. i never served in the military. i want to reserve that great honor for those who have, families that sacrificed because their families served overseas. neil: i'm talking about the way you look at issues, apart from politics. >> exactly. neil: i think that is fine. i just worry we go too far. i'm hearing from the negative -- never-trumper crowd, they're not happy. what can you do. >> you want to make sure patriotism, love for country is rooted something totally apart from who is holding office. neil: that's right. >> if you are somebody that doesn't like president trump, you can celebrate we have checks an balances and term limits. so of to be excited about. ultimately find value apart from

politics. go out, go to church, enjoy the community. neil: exactly right. >> enjoy the neighbors. neil: the nathan's hot dog eating contest. nothing says america red or blue downing 100 of those in 30 seconds. thank you very much, rebecca. happy fourth. >> happy fourth, neil. neil: alveda king on nike's decision to pull that betsy ross shoe. some are selling online at some auction sites for over $2,000 a pair. what does that mean? after this. this is the couple who wanted to get away who used expedia to book the vacation rental which led to the discovery that sometimes a little down time can lift you right up.

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neil: the president says there is some confusion, fake news he says but the census question on citizenship will indeed be in the census. this is 2020 democrats are talking about things like free health care for illegals, a lot that is confusing the message or sending mixed messages. arizona republican attorney general is with us. attorney general, thank you. >> hey, thanks for having me on,

neil. always a pleasure. neil: same here. the president is kind of saying it was fake news, not kind of said, it was fake news to say the administration would go ahead and take the question out and release the forms. the supreme court has effectively ruled it has got to be in there or has got to be out of there but i know there was a timing issue here. do you know what the real deal is on this? >> this is the important thing i think to keep in mind, neil. i've been not privy to the conversations between the white house and department of justice and i do know this, justice roberts in his opinion actually said you could ask that question, however, you had to come up with a legitimate reason and the reason provided by the administration wasn't a legitimate reason. so what i would anticipate happening is, the administration will try to keep the question in. there will be a lawsuit to stop the question, stop printing of census forms. at that point it will be up to the trump administration justification or reason for

including the question. maybe they will come up with a reason that the courts will say a legitimate reason to include it. remember the couldn't didn't say they couldn't ask it. what they said they had to have a real reason to ask it. neil: criticism of the wilbur ross's purview oaf the census, he didn't provide that. say he provides a very good reason to have it. it was not there enough for the justices to rule otherwise. meantime is it understood that the census goes out without the question? that you can't, until you have satisfied their demand, you can't release this with that question in there? >> well what i'm going to guess is going to happen that the administration will start otherrerring the printing of those pamphlets starts occurring. at that point, what you well see the someone like aclu, another group like that, state of new york filing a lawsuit to try to stop it. at that point it will be up to the administration to say, this is the reason why we're doing

it. the courts will ultimately decide whether that is a legitimate reason or not. neil: while we have you here your governor is one of the fist in the country, to seize on this nike betsy ross shoe pulling, that we'll remove financial incentives. what do you think about that? do you support that? >> this is absolutely incredible. we were talking about it in the office. i cannot believe the betsy ross flag has become controversial in any way. think about this, that flag stood up to the british empire, the monarchy open pressing americans. that flag helped rally a nation to independence and freedom. here we are july 4th weekend, where people's true colors show. in arizona our colors are red, white and blue. folks are overwhelmingly want to respect the flag, uphold all the values that the 4th of july tend to represent, america's

birthday, our rebellion against tyranny of what was great britain at the time. i will say as well, maybe this is topic for another show, i'm consistently against incentives, whether amazon, you name your company, i believe that one of the reasons why some young people are turned off by capitalism and by free market is because they don't see it actually applying. what they see, if you're a big company, states and cities are tripping over themselves to offer millions and millions, tens of millions of dollars in incentives. i think we need to pull back get away from the the incentive game. we shouldn't offer incentives in the first place. that is different question for a different day. neil: the government seems to peg it for a decision to rethink it. have you gotten word back from nike what they are going to do or they don't care? >> unfortunately for nike this is all about selling products, selling shoes. neil: right. >> it is unfortunate because i

wear tennis shoes. i don't wear dress shoes. i haven't worn them for years. i'm trying to do with my old nikes. if there is a adidas rep i'm look forge a new shoe. this is something, americans don't have national religion, we don't have ethnic identity that unites us all, what unites us is a creed, the ideas of the declaration of independence, what is in the constitution, what the rule of law stands for. we start erasing or eradicating symbols like the betsy ross flag, you see the social fabric fraying more and more and more. ultimately, you end up with little that unites us. so at some point this country we got to stop politicizing every single issue. we have to stop saying because person x believes that we'll be against it. things like the betsy ross flag should not be controversial. i think it's a sad state that a

major company like nike, which doesn't have a problem with china open pressing people in hong kong, does have a problem with the american flag. i think it is absolutely despicable. neil: that is actually a very good point right there. attorney general, thank you very, very much. we appreciate it. >> always a pleasure, neil. have a good fourth. happy birthday, america. neil: alveda king on this issue a little later. what she thinks about this, whether nike is overplaying its politically correct hand and whether it will boomerang on them. joe biden, got numbers from his haul of $21 million. what if i tell you one other democrat raised more. not compare it to the president of the united states in latest quarter raised more than five times that. after this.

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neil: you know the one thing i love about fox business, we'll look what is going on in the presidential race. we'll get to numbers, how much money they're raising. that could be a precursor how much enthusiasm is building. it is an uncanny parallel. in the latest period joe biden's numbers are running a bit behind pete buttigieg's. that is interesting of itself even though you have bernie sanders bunched in the same area. all of them really trailing the president of the united states. that is not a big surprise. the gap which joe biden is and some are, that is staggering.

$105 million in the second quarter for the president. a quarter of that, 1/5 of that. democratic strategist david brown, club for growth president david macintosh, axios reporter stef kight what the fund-raising blitz could tell us. do we know, steph, are these numbers included the debate from last week that could be the final week of the quarter what do we know about it? >> i think it is interesting to seeeth both how the candidates fared in the polls and fund-raising numbers came out. pete buttigieg came out with fund-raising number. it is remarkable to see from a candidate relatively unknown a few months ago. running against people like joe biden and bernie sanders who, have obviously much more clout, have much more name recognition than the mayor of south bend, indiana.

if you look at the polls as well, buttigieg didn't gain much from the debates. he fell slightly in some of the polls that came out since then. so while of course the fund-raising numbers are a sign of enthusiasm behind him, we'll have to see whether he can really compete against the bigger names when it comes to the polls. neil: david, when democrats look at these polls, and they see things tightening up particularly vice president and kamala harris and some of the others, does that reflect how much is given to campaigns? in other words, is it a good proxy or you slip in the polls you will get less money? >> absolutely. this fund-raising, especially from small dollar donors around the country is a huge indicator of strength. this poll, the numbers confirm one of our poll findings, the democrat overwhelmingly don't want somebody old and tired. they want a new and fresh nominee. that is why pete buttigieg is

leading in fund-raising numbers. even though the polls themselves lag that. the big loser is joe biden. as the front-runner you would expect him to be way ahead on the fund-raising numbers that confirms another finding we had before the date. people thought he was the best person to beat president trump. so they were voting for him. after the debate, kamala harris hit him hard on the race question, 50% of them leave biden when they find that out, he is suffering. probably at this point is no longer a viable candidate because he is losing that appearance of the inevitable winner. and they want somebody who will win. neil: that might be a leap here. what a fair weather crowd then if that is the case. >> they want a winner. neil: i hear you. david brown, would not be the first time a party sort of judged who has the edge, who doesn't, where do i give money, how do i cover my bets, how i ingratiate myself to that person. i remember distinctly recovering

republicans in 2016. everybody was sucking up to jeb bush until they weren't. that took, it wasn't just polling or donald trump placing second i think in the iowa caucuses to catch their attention but well on his way, but what would change here? what could change? >> look, i think that the poll that i found particularly striking was the suffolk poll came out looking at iowa and seeing bernie sanders drop to 9%. neil: right, right. >> i think that's a really interesting indicator, neil because sanders has been, i think boxed in. you're seeing senator warren rise. i think she is pulling a lot of voters who historically given bernie sanders a look last cycle when he was competing against hillary clinton. she is drawing those voters to her side. as you noted senator kamala harris having a breakout moment at the debate. of course we're seeing polls reflect that but you know, i agree that the broader point about fund-raising and

performance in debates, there is a relationship here. the fact that pete buttigieg was able to double his, more than double his campaign haul from q1 to q2, boasts 400,000 plus donors, dep straits staying power is really important. what all the candidate need to do in addition to earning positive media, raising money, they do that to build campaign organization, struck instruct, staying power beyond just ham ha, iowa, south carolina but really heading into super tuesday and other major primary states. that makes pete a powerful contender. the vice president, not as good as pete's. he didn't have a full quarter to fund raise. i will be interested seeing where he places next quarter. neil: number of breaking news items. corner of wall and broad looks like we're on verge of record for the dow, record for s&p. i believe briefly caused into secretarier -- record territoryr

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they were too tall to go underneath it. they laided wood plaining near the lincoln memorial where the president gives his remarks. there will be a fireworks show, the longest fireworks event the capitol has ever seen. the fireworks was donated. there was talk how much this will cost. the president says it will be well worth whatever it ends up apting to. these tanks will be moving shortly. more will be moving in. a big event here. the bottom line is, the president wanted his tanks, he is getting his tanks today. neil. neil: thank you very, very much. in the meantime nike is getting a lot more backlash over the betsy ross sneakers, scrubbing them because colin kaepernick didn't like them. the niece of dr. martin luther king, jr., dr. alveda king, joins us right now. alveda, people are looking at this, bad timing, one thing to support colin kaepernick, stand by him as they did as a brand,

quite another doing his bidding on anything flag related. what do you say? >> well you know i have seen the shoes. they're kind of cute. the young people especially, kids are a little more forgiving than all of us who are polarizing ourselves with all of these things. i'm reminded of my dad, reverend a.d. king, my up kel martin luther king, jr. who said solve conflicts peacefully f you take a knee, do a prayer in the process. we're skipping some of these steps. you get your information, you educate your public, you examine your own soul, you sit down and you talk. if it doesn't work, have peaceful demonstrations. then do win, win reconciliation. so we're jumping from no facts, no information, i'm not so sure brother kaepernick even totally understands who betsy ross is. so i think it is kind of unfortunate we're fighting over sneakers when we should be celebrating, living in the best country on the planet.

and i think it was just an unfortunate choice actually, neil. neil: you know, alveda, i had an african-american leader on with me yesterday saying, neil, you wouldn't understand as a white guy what that old american cologne kneel era flag means to those not so blessed with your complexion. that represents a time of slavery, rampant among all the founding fathers. it is sort of like another, you know, stab at the heart of the african-american community. do you, by that, one of the things i said in response, you can cite the flag at any period of our time, late '50s after hawaii and alaska came in, there was race battles going on throughout the south. african-americans not getting entry into universities, public schools. you could cite anytime in history, just that flag would represent what you could appear to find offense?

>> neil, we're not color-blind. we can see each other. we remember things from the past but there is a time for renewal, reconciliation, we have all of these other issues. you know we fight over tennis shoes and a flag but we don't worry about, babies being aborted in the womb for example. so you know i know the slavery experience. i lived in a house at that was bombed if you recall. neil: that's right. >> my dad and my mom's house. restoration, renewal, forgiveness, communication, speaking with each other, fighting over a flag and some tennis shoes, and betsy ross may or may not even have designed the flag, you know. it was a good idea. unfortunately nike decided to join in a fight, a struggle that further divides, rather than reconciles. but i think love always wins the day but we have to get there. i think that this is an opportunity to do that. i pray that, sorry about the shoes. i think they're kind of cute. i think they would have been

okay. so it is just really sad. neil: you created another firestorm with betsy ross, whether she had anything to do with it. i will save that for another time. always good seeing you. happy fourth, my friend. >> thank you, my friend. neil: it was one of those news items that just sticks in your craw. one of the things i love about my job i get to talk to a lot of impressive people, alveda just one of them. one of my all time favorites was lee iacocca. i know what you're saying it is only because the of the italian descent. yeah, that was a big part of it. the era he represented. this guy was fired from his job at ford because he didn't get along with one of the ford family descendants. he goes on to start a whole new career at chrysler, rescues the company, all of sudden changes everything we know about how you buy a car, what you see in a car, american greatness, when we sorely needed it. he is gone at 94.

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neil: all right. tesla will amaze you. who says it is dead? the stock surging after seth new delivery records that a lot people really didn't anticipate. that helped the stock. longer term what about the company? susan li with who are on that. >> very good question. this is baked into the numbers. we're rallying today. a lot of analysts if you read the notes, none of them, very few upgraded their outlook on tesla, despite record deliveries of 95,000. neil: are they -- >> it was whispered in the markets t was kind of

anticipated, shall we say. they're more eagerly anticipating second quarter results. will we get to profitability in the quarter? that is something elon musk could hang his hat on. what about free cash flow? is that positive at some point? there is a lot of front-loading of sales, given the green tax credit you get for buying electric cars. that is set to expire the end of this year. it dropped to half. in fact it dropped 1500, 1800 this week, will go to zero by end of this year. unless it gets extended. there might be front loading of sales. they are anticipating 360 to 400,000 delivery this is year. neil: not shabby. >> something else analysts point the out we take notice, despite we had the record delivers are, they didn't upgrade for forecast, their guidance, tesla didn't do that at all this year. what does the back half look like? it's a prove me story as a lot of people say. neil: amazon, get your thoughts.

alexa hears more than we know and hangs on to it longer than we thought. >> this was reported in -- it was in response to a letter from delaware senator chris coons who wrote to amazon, saying how long do you keep these recordings? as you know there was a bloomberg story they do record what you say. neil: right, right. >> surroundings, to better improve the service. looks like chris coons got a response. he says the american people deserve to understand how their personal data is used by tech companies. i will work with both consumers and companies to identify how to best protect american's personal information. you may not like the amazon's response. they don't delete it. you have to do it yourself. they keep it forever. neil: to what end? >> to what end? to improve services, detect voice pattern recognition better. it is up to you to protect your own privacy. for my part i have never owned an alexa speaker because of

this. no one needs to know what i'm doing at home. neil: they creep me out. all of it creeps me out. >> yeah. neil: let me ask you about samsung. saying foldable phone, galaxy is okay, back on track? >> they said it is fixed. ready for release once again. it has been such a disasterous p are episode for samsung in their marquee phone. their new technology they say is way in front of apple. for instance we had analysts at goldman saying in terms of actual screen technology, samsung is ahead by two years because of the foldable technology. because of the shall we say, some problems reviewers ran into with the phone not running, the screens cracking, looks like samsung, they had to take it off the shelves. supposed to be released at the end of may. neil: do we know what they dead? >> probably some tweaks. i got an email there is new

unpacking event for a samsung galaxy launch later on this summer in august. and they would have to come up with something that blows people away after this, would you think? >> the technology was impressive. >> it was impressive. neil: cnet or, showing it. it was impressive. >> i agree. neil: very heavy, surprisingly heavy. so, i can understand its appeal but, you know, once spurned a lot of buyers are more than twice shy. >> i don't know about that. remember the galaxy note 7. neil: you're right. >> burning batteries in your pocket? people still went back and bought samsung. they are still the largest smartphone shipper in the world. there is questions whether or not they are the leader in technology. neil: i think their cameras are superior. >> are they? i never used a samsung phone. you used both which i found astounding. neil: you're not a geek. >> i'm a geek. that is insulting. i love technology. i love gadgets.

neil: no you don't. >> oh, my bod. neil: any unbiased observer, look at galaxy phone versus apple, love them both, no comparison. >> the stability cameras is different. you're telling me i'm not a geek. neil: hearing this all of sudden. susan, thank you very much. we have couple minutes worth of trading. for the dow, s&p, at a record, for the nasdaq at a point for a record. if it holds first time in very long time. all three averages hit records on the same day. we have a guy, charlie brady, does this. knows this in the back of his head. he is like "rain man" from this stuff. muses from "rain man" on the significance of all of this after this. s my forte. obviously, for auto insurance, we've got the wheel route.

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neil: all right. welcome, i'm neil cavuto. the closing bell now a little over a minute away. it looks like we could have not one, not two, but three records.

more on that in a second. joe biden is losing some steam. why that could make some investors antsy. and tweet a joke about a congressman, get prosecuted for it? hour two of "coast to coast" right now. all right. our shortened trading day will end in about 55 seconds. suffice it to say that we are going to cut through records pretty easily here for the dow, for the s&p 500, in and out for the nasdaq in a shortened trading session that has been buoyed by largely weaker than expected economic data that is buoying hopes for an imminent rate cut this month. i believe the oddsmakers are putting it at 100% for later this month. that means it can't possibly happen. again, that is the consensus that's building. also, some surprising strength is emerging in some very shares that would benefit from a trade agreement if one were to ever pass. the president is indicating right now and earlier today we would be a lot further along if,

for example, we had moved quickly on resolving these impasses he has with the federal reserve. in other words, if they had cut rates. they didn't do that but the stage could be set that they will. trading has come to a close. it's over on an abbreviated trading day that has all the averages in record territory here. something i don't think i have seen recently where all three cross into that territory on the same day. gerri willis at the new york stock exchange with a lot more. hey, gerri. gerri: that's right. hey, did you see the little fireworks display there from macy's at the close? amazing. all right. it's 1:00 and it's the close. i know, we are closing early. forget the slower factory activity, the weaker jobs market, traders don't care. they are sending both the dow and the s&p 500 into new record territory today. the dow had to close only 4171 higher to be up. the s&p was up 22, the dow now

with its first record close in 2016. they had the last of the major averages to set a record close this year. this is the 80th, seventh under donald trump. the s&p 500, this is a trifecta. three days in a row of a new record high. of course, all of this on lower volume. the nasdaq finishing at 8170. adp numbers coming in, disappointment, 102,000 non-farm jobs created in june. as you can see there, the estimate, 140,000. everybody looking at this thinking oh, my gosh, what will the u.s. jobs number be on friday. all eyes on that. people are taking good news away from this. they think this means we will get that rate cut at the end of the month. what did well in the adp report? the services sector higher, small cap companies seeing fewer jobs, they are having a hard time finding employees. the jobs were in education and health services and a disappointment, i have to tell you, the market never sold off

on that number, because they are more interested in getting a rate cut. happy fourth of july. neil: to you as well. quite right, because those numbers were a little soft but apparently it fuels the argument the federal reserve will pounce on that as a reason to go ahead and cut interest rates as planned. things could happen in the interim but that was the view today that led to all three averages closing at records here. again, in case you are keeping track, all the major markets up right now, close to 20% so far this year. we have essentially just started the second half. let's go to charlie gasparino. we have jillian melchiore and lindsay bell. lindsay, the anomaly here is softer news is good news, essentially. right? >> right. we are in the place where bad news is good news because that means the fed's going to be able to cut rates in july and that's what the market's really banking

on. that's where we are going to the s&p 500, three new highs in a row. market participants are really relying on that rate cut. for my opinion, the data is not that bad. sure, we are seeing some softening. we want the insurance rate cut because of that softer data but 25 basis points isn't going to necessarily stimulate the economy. look, we got the 30-year mortgage under 4%. we got the ten-year under 2% today by the way. that's a sign of weakening economic growth. neil: i don't know weakening enough to warrant a cut in rates. that's my opinion. i think sometimes when you start taking arrows out of your quiver when you don't have a lot of arrows in your quiver, you could be setting yourself up for something. but i don't want to be the empty glass on this. when you look at this and the trade picture, are we to assume if a trade deal is scored with china, and an interest rate cut is put off, the markets will react the opposite? >> i think the markets would be frankly thrilled about the

certainty of some kind of trade compromise with china. i think that's been the thing that's injected uncertainty in the markets. in the same way that obama standing there constantly with new pending regulation, trade has had a very similar effect. it's just a lot of uncertainty. i think the market will respond positively. the risk, though, is if you see what like trump did with usmca, kind of pulling back, that even a deal isn't a deal, that that's uncertainty, too. i think that while that would certainly be a good thing, you need that to happen. neil: peter navarro was on a little over an hour ago and one of the things he was saying, two things happened at dow 30,000, a 10% leap from here. the fed cuts interest rates and congress signs off on this u.s. mexico canada trade pact. what do you think of that? >> peter navarro is not a great market analyst so i would be hesitant to follow his lead. i would say this. good news is bad news is a

constant market refrain. we have seen it all the time before bad news really sets in. i'm old enough to remember dow 14,000 or 13,999. neil: you remember dow 14. >> october 2007 when everybody, when the fed was cutting rates, everybody was saying they're cutting rates even though there's a credit crunch and banks are having issues with balance sheets, it's going to get better. and it didn't. so i just would say when good news -- when bad news is good news, just be real careful because the numbers matter. what numbers will matter here. obviously corporate earnings will matter. do corporate earnings -- neil: 80% of the s&p 500 stocks and companies are telegraphing an earnings -- >> right. corporate earnings. and does the economy suffer because it's not just china that we're at war with. that, i think the markets can probably digest okay and then if it was just them and we had like a china surprise deal, then you could see dow 30,000 easy but we have like multiple, maybe you guys -- how many tariffs do we have out there that trump

imposed against regular trading partners and that, you know, that hits the economy and corporate earnings real direct. neil: but it is interesting if you think about the history of rate cuts, when they start, markets get worried because even when -- >> after awhile. neil: right. even when fully telegraphed they start associating well, there's a reason for this and they are going to follow up with more of this so maybe we should worry about this. right? >> right. well, what the history shows you is six and 12 months after the initial rate cut, you see the markets move higher but usually, rates are a lot higher when that initial cut happens than where we're at right now. neil: you have to see a lot of cuts, right? >> exactly. neil: this two and three and done is one thing. who knows? >> exactly. the last two recessions we saw five percentage point cut to help stimulate the economy. we don't have that right now. back to your point on peter navarro talking about a fed rate cut saving this market, doesn't that scare you a little bit? he didn't mention nothing about the trade deal. he mentioned usmca --

neil: nothing about china at all. this was all predicated on this other stuff being done. >> if peter navarro had his way we wouldn't just be in a trade war with china. i give him credit for educating me on how bad china is. he wants to go to war with everybody. i just worry about his market insight into trade and the other thing is this. listen, if the fed cuts rates and it works, great. it has to work. and it's working and here's the scary thing, it's working in the face of tariffs and you know, unless we start unwinding all those other tariffs, it might not work. then you got a real problem on your hands. neil: the markets are climbing mightily here. we are pursuing it with gusto in the second half. at this rate, what are we, up 40% this year? >> sure, i think that's been largely a function of deregulation and tax cuts. i think that's really fueled the market. the trade is the uncertainty. neil: you don't think the markets are getting ahead of

themselves? that's a view that some bears have. >> i actually think deregulation has been the most interesting and important component of this. neil: but it didn't start with that. before the tax cuts even took effect. >> yeah, but i do think to charlie's point about trade, we are really like, you can say that interest rates are one tool but i think a much more effective tool, especially for accomplishing economic growth, would be injecting trade uncertainty and starting fights with everybody is not the way to do this. if we had more support from international community, better trade deals with them, going into the fight with china, i think we could really be isolating china. neil: but again, the donald trump response to that is if the guys with the money are worried about it they're not showing it. >> let me ask you this. look at the dow. i know it's like on the fly here. if we got a chart of the dow from when they enacted the tax cut, when did they enact the tax cut? january 2017. look at the dow from then to now. it's really not up that much. i mean, it might be flat. neil: it took effect in 2018. but is it your sense then that

that did little to advance this? this all started with regulatory relief. >> no, no, i think the tax cuts help and regulatory relief helped but i thisnk the trade aspect, the market started pricing in the drag on gdp from the trade aspect because it's literally been a flat market for a year and a half. unless i'm missing something. >> some of the consequences of trade are trickling now through the supply chain. we had a little bit of cushion with that. we are starting to see some of the consequences. neil: the jawboning with the federal reserve is continuing. the president is saying today, i think he tweeted this, i think it was a tweet, where he talked about how china and europe are using big currency manipulation -- >> that was a tweet. neil: to pump money into circulation. we should do the same. if his hope is you cut interest rates, you will improve our trade posture, will that work? >> well, it will certainly weaken the dollar which is what he's saying he wants, but i think he's talking about china

manipulating their currency. he's implying that europe's manipulating their currency too, but you are actually seeing a slowdown in their economic data. china, you are seeing a slowdown there, too, but obviously the government -- neil: he wants to populate the federal reserve with like-minded views. the two economists he's considering now are very dovish. one wants to return to the gold standard, i believe. if you can't throw jerome powell out, you can surround him with people who will do your bidding. >> i really liked -- my colleague did a weekend interview with judy shelton. but i keep coming back -- she was saying she wants the dollar to be, she's an interesting individual. i do think on this, interest rates are one tool. it's not the solution to every economic problem that we have. when we start relying on -- neil: we'll see. charlie, real quick, the sprint/t-mobile stuff. what's going on? >> our sources are telling us, i

know i have said this a hundred times. don't blame me. blame charlie ergen, because the dish chairman is in the middle of the sprint/t-mobile merger. here's what we know. we are on the verge of doj and likely approval of this thing. i think it could come friday or monday. that's what i'm hearing. here's why it's been delayed. just so you know, there is -- not just -- they're not just negotiating sprint/t-mobile to make sure there aren't antitrust issues at doj antitrust. they are trying to get charlie ergen to do two things. buy some spectrum from these guys, use the spectrum he already has, and commit to making essentially a fourth wireless network. that's going to come out of this which is a huge lift. now, the problem is that no one really trusts charlie ergen. why is that? because he's been sitting on spectrum, basically saying i'm going to do something with it, and he hasn't. neil: he has to return it at some time. >> he has to return it next year. the other complicating matter is fcc, the other body that must sign off on this, doesn't like

charlie ergen because he's basically stiffed them on buying the spectrum and not building it out. so what they want, from what i understand, first off, i hear there's a rift between doj and fcc they will want some guarantee that he's actually going to do this thing if they are going to extend -- he needs an extension past 2020 to build that out before they take it back. neil: any possibility this doesn't happen? >> you know, here's the thing. always, last minute, someone could walk, they could say way too much spectrum i have to give up, i got that. it doesn't appear that way based on conversations i'm having and from the white house standpoint, larry kudlow, the nsa people, really want this deal to happen. they think that company together will be a formidable competitor in the 5g race with china. they think having them together with verizon and at & t, it's three really strong companies together, they can do this. on the other hand, i tell you, t-mobile really wants this deal, sprint wants this deal, sprint

needs it. they are economically hampered. you got some people at doj, the staffers who don't like it, they think immediately cutting out a wireless carrier will lead to higher prices and that's an antitrust issue. they are trying to deal with that by getting charlie ergen in here to buy it. but i just don't -- i don't understand why people don't get this. charlie ergen is like dealing with the toughest card player in vegas. i'm telling you, cutting a deal with him is like -- i don't think you can trust him. i don't know. he's stiffed them in the past. neil: charlie ergen on line one. >> he's a nice guy, i'm sure, you want him on your side of any battle. but makan delrahim, we'll see how next week goes. it's going to be an interesting, how he pulls this rabbit out of the hat. neil: thank you, guys. i was looking for any presidential tweet on the market performance today. all three averages closing at records today ahead of the july 4th holiday tomorrow. the 100th record for the nasdaq,

which was kind of dragging along here but it's actually had the best year to date performance. but again, all three major averages up on the view i guess that interest rates are coming down. conundrum though it may be for people to sort of wrap around, the fact of the matter is that's what they're seeing. a slowdown, interest rates that go down and all of a sudden our competitive situation with the rest of the world, our trade gets better. that's the hope. we'll see. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?

neil: all right. 17 minutes after the hour. reminding you, trading is closed for the day, resumes on friday because of the july 4th holiday and all the major market averages are in record territory. speaking of money, we are getting some figures from the candidates and how much they're hauling in in the latest quarter, the second quarter. $21 million for the former vice

president, joe biden. remember, mayor pete, he's out-raising him and bernie sanders putting up a hell of a battle here. all of this while the president of the united states scored $105 million in that same quarter on top of the $70 million he got in the first quarter. true to form, the president when it comes to raising money, this is something with a lot of presidents, they have a decided advantage but even for president trump, that's more than your usual advantage. back with us, charlie gasparino, jillian and lindsay. lindsay, looking at those fund totals, i don't know how closely they follow poll numbers or debate performances. this does include last week at least would include the debate so that might have moved some of these, siphoned off what was a steady flow for the former vice president but it's revealing. what do you think? >> i think so, too. remember, biden, he's missing two or three weeks of fund-raising because he joined in april, which was well into the second quarter.

neil: very good point. >> maybe he would have had more than pete buttigieg. the knock against him is he has wealthy donors versus sanders who has your average day people. neil: buttigieg has 400,000 followers now. >> exactly. but you know what? biden, the news out on him is that he's starting the lose some of these wealthy investors. but it might not be so certain because you've got the paramount ceo coming out today saying he will throw some events for him, then he's got a bunch of other events coming up here in new york, expected to raise a million dollars -- >> i was always dubious about that he was going to lose any of those, maybe one or two. the reason why is because he's got a good base of support. he's got african americans who still, despite what happened with kamala harris, still support him in key states. he's got white voters -- neil: although his polling with them went down. >> a little bit. yeah, sure. expected. he had a horrible week. i mean, the worst week ever. >> and should have been prepared for that. >> i will say two things. number one, biden's problem is never going to be money or

support. it's whether he can do it, does he have a good debate performance where people think he's ready for prime time. the other thing i would say is donald trump, this is interesting. when trump had almost like no money the last campaign. he didn't even try, really. people gave him a few bucks here and there. there was no apparatus. now he's got not only a big mouth which generates gazillions of advertising, he's got -- neil: hillary started out with more against barack obama but it didn't do anything. it set in motion the money, the small denominations. that's why i tend to look at how much they're raising in small figures that show a certain amount of passion from the base giving you that help. >> bernie is an interesting case. he's not the establishment

candidate. he's a more establishment candidate. it is the advantage he has the 2016 organization that he's built up that he's able to fund-raise and kind of mobilize and get out there. it's going to be interesting to see if people are as excited about him. i think democrats are always looking for a candidate that they can fall in love with. that's maybe what we're seeing a little bit on buttigieg, that he's -- neil: they aren't very loyal. >> not in this -- >> the polling is horrible, though. >> i think he's an interesting guy. neil: who's got the mojo? you were just following money and support and buzz that you got on social media. >> if you are just following money, it's buttigieg. you know, people do love him. they are calling him like the obama of '08 and so people just are falling in love. >> biden is really just -- neil: look at kamala harris. >> she's definitely gained some momentum but i wonder, she's willing and ready to take some low blows and dig up dirt on all the other candidates, and the american people, is that what they want to see right now?

>> do they want busing? i will say this. i think biden is one good debate performance away from turning it around in the polls. he's one bad from just being done. neil: don't underestimate the power of enrap toturing your ba though. kamala harris has done that. she has hit a chord. i don't know if there's a short life to that. >> it's interesting, when i talk to my liberal friends about this -- neil: you have liberal friends? >> i have many liberal friends. neil: wow. frmen >> i can't tell if they want somebody who is sharp-elbowed like trump or somebody who is going to bring down the national mood so you don't have to be exhausted about politics all the time. neil: that's interesting. all right. still way early, until the next poll or meaningless financial tracking survey. the fact of the matter is all bets are off. meanwhile, a congresswoman

is pushing prosecution for tweets that say nasty things about congressmen. imagine if we could do that for nasty tweets about fox news or business personalities. we would be out of business. >> we would be done. neil: after this.

people are online making fun of members of congress are a disgrace and they should be prosecuted. neil: all righty. that's democratic congresswoman frederica wilson. she wants those who tweet mocking congress to be prosecuted. a civil rights attorney on what kind of precedent this would set. at first i thought this was a joke when i heard it. people can get offended by all sorts of things, i get that, but she's very serious. she went on to say we are going to shut them down and work with

whoever it is to shut them down, and they should be prosecuted. you can't intimidate members of congress, frighten members of congress. it is against the law and it's a shame the united states of america. that is unless you are contending republican members of congress. i'm wondering how far this goes. >> republican or democrat, neil, this is a shocking display of amazing ignorance by this congresswoman of the constitution, of our statutory scheme, and of the principles that made america great and as a country from the beginning of its founding. i can't even grapple with this. i'm against litmus tests but maybe we should start having a litmus test that members of congress should be able to pass the same test that people who are applying for naturalization and sit shcitizenship should ha apply. as an immigrant, myself and my parents, anybody who wants to become a citizen knows the first amendment prohibit thiss this tf

outrageous proposal she's proposing. neil: i never met a politician alive or dead over the course of the decades that didn't have a problem with the way they were portrayed either in the media, now of course in this day and age, social media. they probably thought and considered something like this. but they never said it. i guess the difference here, she said it. i'm sure there are others who harbor that very view. you got to be very careful how far you go with this, right? >> well, you know, the fact that she said this stupid and outrageous thing is a testament to the power of incumbency. one only says such a thing if they feel sure you are going to get re-elected. we both get trolled daily. i certainly get trolled hundreds of times a day by people who don't like what i say and the positions i take as an attorney -- neil: never happened to me once. >> you know what, grow a thicker skin. this is not a place for snowflakes. you know, just to make a point

that happened today, there was a critic of alexandria ocasio-cortez named mini aoc, a little girl who was staging photo ops. she removed herself from twitter today and her parents put out a statement saying they were forced to do that because of death threats from the congresswoman's critics, congresswoman's supporters. that's outrageous and that is the natural result of this type of demagogery and ignorance of the constitution from our elected leaders. you know, democrat or republican, you know, people need to be having a thicker skin and respect for the constitution if they're in power. neil: get out of the kitchen, which is the worst threat of all. i would certainly rethink it. thank you very, very much. have a wonderful 4th. >> same to you. neil: the president is getting ready for a big shindig tomorrow in washington. his special july 4th celebration. i don't know whether it's thank you america or tank you america. see what i did there?

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gasoline price. where did everybody go? hey, wait a second. yeah, they are definitely out on the road. tell you what, we had this big selloff in the market yesterday. gasoline prices were tumbling yesterday after the post-opec movement. you would think it would show up at the pump. forget about it. prices went up, even after the big selloff yesterday. according to aaa, we are trading around, what is it, $2.74.8 a gallon, up six cents from a week ago. why is this happening? because it's the fourth of july part of it, but part of it is record demand. you look across the country, we are going to see more people traveling by car than ever befo before, than any independencehi. talk about being patriotic. i guess people think getting in your car, driving out on vacation and cooking some stuff on the grill. i have to think president trump's parade tomorrow, all those tanks, probably going to use a lot of energy as well.

who knows. that could even drive up diesel prices. we have to keep an eye on that. neil: there has always been a push and pull, as you remind me, with the slowdown that many think is coming. we had some more data that supports that argument. not alarmingly but enough that maybe that would put a ceiling on gas prices, energy prices. what do you think? >> it could but i think that's a bad thing. i want to see people drive more, because that's a sign the economy is doing great. in fact, i think sometimes we say oh, gosh, i hate paying higher gasoline prices but not a lot of people are thinking about that today, when they are hitting the roads. they are hey, i've got some money in my pocket, i want to spend it and i want to get out. i even think because of the bad weather that we had for most of this year, there's probably some pent-up demand built into those prices. so i think that's going to be very good for the economy, you know. a lot of these seasonal businesses that have struggled this year will get a big boost. and this increase in demand

because of economic optimism is going to filter down to a lot of small businesses. i see those rising gasoline prices, record demand is a very good thing for the economy. neil: all right. from your mouth, young man. the cme called to say tell flynn to turn off the lights when he leaves. thank you, my friend. have a wonderful fourth. phil flynn. mitch mcconnell says he would be happy to buy those nike shoes that all of a sudden nike says that it no longer wants to sell. after this. your daily dashboard from fidelity. a visual snapshot of your investments. key portfolio events. all in one place. because when it's decision time... you need decision tech.

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neil: all right. tomorrow being the fourth of july, the president is touting the economy's success ahead of all that, but unfortunately, right now for the president, it's still early, he's not getting much credit for that economy, which is a bit of a weird development, because whether you say the president is to get the credit for things when they are going well, we would certainly blame a president if things weren't

going well and god knows that's happened in american history but normally, an improving economy, this type of job strength would be the wind at the incumbent's back and it's not. so far. so far. let's get the read on why that might be happening. charlie gasparino and jillian and lindsey are back with us. it is weird, not unprecedented, but unusual for an incumbent enjoying this type of economy, the market's a recent phenomenon in the last century, shouldn't be happening. >> i know. americans should really be feeling good. unemployment at a 50-year low, wages on the rise, more jobs than people looking for jobs, home prices have gone up, maybe they are starting to decelerate that increase but they are still looking good. neil: what is it? what's doing it? >> i think it's fear. people are afraid. we looked at the last consumer confidence survey and saw the expectation index take a deep cut in its fear over trade. i think it's fear over the talks about, you know, you hear about the geopolitical concerns out there, immigration, health care costs rising. i think the democratic debates

are really instilling fear in the people of america that if we keep this president in place, things are going to get worse. neil: what do you think? >> i think that's true. i also think we have a little bit of a shift in values right now going on so i think trump's standing for what people traditionally have stood for when you look at the economy. you want opportunity, you want to know that the government's not going to get in your way, you know if you are going the try to pull yourself up by your boot straps you can make it. i think democrats are coming with these fairly new ideas saying that's not what matters, what matters is income inequality, what matters is historic grievances, what matters is reparations for those historic grievances, what matters is climate change, this host of new considerations. unfortunately, i think a lot of young people in particular are buying into that. it's the politics of envy. i do think if you are looking at the economy right now, corporate economy is doing great but again, low income americans, really tight labor market, more opportunity, if you look at minority workers, this is like the best they have been doing in 50 years. >> wages. neil: but there must be a

disconnection between what they are preaching and what -- >> two things. trump is a hard guy to digest. let's face it. i like him, you know. personally, i don't have a problem with him but he says things that people find really repulsive, even moderates find repulsive so he doesn't get credit for the economy. neil: he could be doing a lot better if not for those. >> didn't make it about him. >> here's the other thing. even with that, okay. if you look at his numbers on the economy, his individual poll numbers for him are bad, like unfavorables, but his handling of the economy and stuff, you know, gets higher marks. when he goes up against like anyone except for maybe biden, if he can survive this, he's going to be going against like far leftists without the charm of a barack obama, who was less leftist than any of these folks, to be honest with you. if he goes against kamala harris he will be going against someone who likes busing.

if he goes against -- which most people think is insane. if he goes against elizabeth warren it's going to be her class warfare and by the way, some of her weird personal attributes like saying she was, you know, native american when she wasn't. if he goes against bernie it's a socialist. he's going to be able to -- neil: but that's been out there in the public domain. don't think americans have had a chance to respond to this? >> are moderates really going to look at donald trump, he's a nasty guy, says some horrible things sometimes. do we really want to take the far left turn to these clowns. that's going to be -- i think he can win that debate. >> yeah. trump is playing to his base but i think democrats are also playing to their base. neil: the base alone isn't enough to close the deal, right? and the democrat base isn't alone enough. >> it's the moderates. neil: i look at independents. right now, the president's support among independents has dropped precipitously. not to the point it's not

recoverable but for the president, since that was crucial in winning those six industrial states that he tipped republican, he's going to need them back. he doesn't have them right now. >> i think the independents ultimately, it's going to come down to who is the democratic presidential nominee. okay? because if it's someone super far left, he's probably going to win those independents right back. so i mean, i think that he has that opportunity. neil: do you read anything into bernie sanders or in state after state of those industrial states, these guys leading the president by double digits? early, i know it is but it's all we have to go on. it doesn't make sense. in pennsylvania, where you know, there is record low unemployment. >> trump's got a pretty good shot at getting pennsylvania again. i think what the other interesting dynamic here is some of the identity politics stuff because there are cultural issues and people do have strong reactions to them. what we have seen in the last four years is they can also become economic issues. if you step afoul of liberal sensibilities it can be something where people go after you personally and go after your

business. i think they have a fear about that, too. >> he will have the money to play that out. he's going to have a lot of money to play that card. you know, listen, that's why biden on paper looks better, because he doesn't go that far left. he appeals more to those white working class, those voters and you know, that's where the vulnerability trump is, if biden resurrects. >> don't you think he comes across as a little apologetic? he hasn't come across as somebody who is going to stand up and say this is completely ridiculous. >> i agree with you. neil: can i switch gears? i would be remiss if i didn't touch on this nike story with you. now of course, i'm wondering whether they are just being too politically correct. what do you think? >> oh, god. >> i think they're not afraid to be a little bit controversial. i think that that's why they had no problem putting the shoe out in the first place. i have a conspiracy theory that they pulled it just to create, you know, free advertising. neil: i actually thought that. >> generate momentum.

because that's what happened after colin kaepernick. sales have been great for nike. neil: you really believe colin kaepernick called them and said shelve this shoe and they did? >> i think they're afraid of the backlash. they are also looking at their demographic. young people will always have this sensibility. funny thing, betsy ross used to be somebody that was a feminist icon. she created the american flag. you can debate that if you want but i think it just shows how things are progressing that you will never be politically correct. neil: the flag itself reminds people of horrible things in our past, you can take a look at the flag, everyone behind it is slave owners but you can look back to the flag the way it is now back to the 1950s after hawaii and alaska entered the union and there was segregation and riots going on. so hardly wonderful times. how far do they push something like this? >> listen, i think they are making a huge mistake. first off, colin kaepernick, washed-up football player, is

now making a call to a mega-company. it's hard to get your hands around that. you know, yeah -- neil: why can't the company do both? it features a lot of products that advertise his name and you still have these other things. >> we are talking about our american flag. >> i agree. i think it storms up a twitter mob and unfortunately, if you are looking at twitter, at how these things work, it's almost like on college campuses where you are in this bubble and the pressure can be really intense inside this bubble. it doesn't reflect the american public. neil: you are living in that bubble. >> people feel completely intimidated. >> we have all had that here. you write something and all of a sudden, 50 people call you, fake accounts, this happens to me every day. then you think about it, it's 50 people out of, you know, a gazillion people. >> for nike it's about 37% of their customer base is

african-american and of course, hispanic. and support what they're doing. they feel very passionate about it. neil: nike sales and earnings soared, right? >> the interesting thing about getting back to joe biden is that african americans, when you look at the sort of poll numbers, they are far less woke than white liberals. >> we saw that with the virginia controversy. >> i'm just saying. you sure that african-americans are going to boycott nike over the american flag? i doubt it. >> it's one shoe of how many shoes they offer. you should have the optionality. neil: betsy ross series. >> cavuto series. neil: absolutely. >> pumpkin pie. neil: guys, thank you all. have a wonderful fourth. you know, one of the things i was saying i love about my job, i get to talk to smart people like this but i had a chance to talk to real titans over the years. it just comes with the job.

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with respect and galvanized and jazzed them to think better of themselves and the mission he put before them. he was a friend of the factory floor worker who had all but given up and the bankers who had all but cashed out. he told them all, i can make something here and make you believe we can make a company given up for dead come back the life. the son of italian immigrants who didn't have a penny to their name changed history as we know it, corporate history. so impressive was what lee iacocca did in his 94 years on this planet that many said lee, you should run for president. it was among the many issues i raised with him over the decades i had the honor of talking with him. remembering a legend who simply refused to believe he was. how important is the guy who runs the company to the company's image? >> well, very important. i don't suggest everybody go out and do commercials. we had no alternative. we were going bankrupt and the

agency talked me into it and said you're a guy who's got to go out there and say instead of using a celebrity, you got to go back that afternoon and make sure the cars don't leak and rattle. you've got the job of doing that. so we had to do it and it worked okay. i'm 82. i still have something to say. i'm worried about the future, my kids, my grandkids. it sounds corny but you know, i would like to do something more, get a plan of action going here. at least start and vote. most people don't vote. in a national election we don't even get 45%. that's really low. that's shameful. neil: we have to help out countries that hate us, in the idea that maybe we can stave off terrorism if we do that. what do you think about that? >> keep a dialogue going with everybody. talk to your enemies. talk to syria, talk to everybody. when you close that down, all hope is lost, in my opinion. that's ridiculous. neil: people remember you for the chrysler bailout, that the government came to the rescue of chrysler and now just a few

weeks ago, the government essentially came to the rescue of bear stearns. >> i didn't get a bailout. the people, the workers gave up $2.5 billion. i had to go to the united states government, i had to convince the senate and the house and had to go to the president of the united states. he had to sign an act, i advised people to not go there but there were on the books, $450 billion off-balance sheet books at that time and i said to tip o'neill, just go one more billion. neil: right. right. >> it's all on the books. why don't you just give me a break and get the billion. without him, i wouldn't be here. neil: i love the story how carter dropped the pen as he was signing it. >> yeah. in the signing, yeah. after all the hell i went through. the president of the united states drops a pen and he wants to lean down and he can't find it. i said hold it, i jumped out and said i'll get it. neil: you are saying that they're just prattling on, not getting stuff done. >> they don't -- they're not

even -- there's no real oversight. they pass all these continuing laws and they never go back to see did it work anyplace so we can duplicate it or never do that again. but there's really no oversight going on. maybe they're not in congress long enough. neil: in 1984, they wanted you to run for president. >> i ran for my life. my mother, tip o'neill talked me out of it. neil: so did your mom. >> she sure did. neil: what did they say? >> they said are you crazy? tip o'neill said you want to be president a lot. of the united states. neil: remarkable story, remarkable attitude and remarkable man who came from nothing and did a lot with the something that changed the way we look at companies and even changed the way we look at ceos. usually hidden away in boardrooms. hidden away in offices. he was the front person for a company that came back when everyone said it wouldn't, and who returned every penny with interest in the loan that he received seven years early.

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