melissa? melissa: that is horrible at all u.s. steel, the stock is devastating news, william, wow down by about 60% since the thank you for covering this trade tariffs were enacted? story i know it's not easy. in fact there's layoffs at u.s. connell: just the worst some of steel as well. i'll ask you specifically about the trade deficit. these stories the last few days that was the main purpose of the not only that but we thank you for joining us today and every trade war that president launch ed with all these tariffs day we'll see you back here . it has widened under president tomorrow. melissa: bulls & bears starts trump. how do you respond to that? why is that the case and isn't that an indication that one of the main goals of the trade war right now. david: hunkerings down as just simply isn't working. >> the main goal of the trade war is to get china to stop rip ping us off, and -- hurricane door january inches >> but the trade deficit has closer to the east coast, killing at least five people, not. >> and they stop buying china has stopped buying soybean, they there, and live reports from the bahamas and the florida coast, now put a tariff on american oil plus the latest on the path of , so china's trying to cut the storm from the fox news its imports from america and weather center, all that is that's effecting our trade deficit in the short-term, but coming up. the point of the matter is we but up here first, stocks taking can't go on letting china rip us a dive today as another round of off, steal our innovation, steal tariffs kicks in on chinese goods and now, new data showing our intellectual property, dump the manufacturing sector dropped fentanyl in our country and treat us like the colony they last month for the first time in want us to be. three years due in large part to >> but isn't that kind of like concerns over trade uncertainty. sour grapes for the 250 u.s. amid all of this, the head of steelworkers who have been laid off as a result of the

the largest federation of unions in america says his workers trade tariffs? >> there's 50,000 factories aren't feeling the effects of a that have been closed and more strong economy. than 1 million people have lost what this could mean for the their jobs because of china's 2020 election, hi, everybody this is bulls & bears thanks for predatory trade policies over joining us i'm david asman. the last 30 years, so now you're joining me on the panel today, jonathan hoenig, christina crying crocodile tears over 250 partsinevelos, john layfield and steelworkers. i didn't hear you say a word jackie deangeles. about the millions of people that had their lives destroyed before that. >> curtis i don't think that's so here is the head of the afl c quite fair. io telling fox news why i don't think you watch the show unions are not backing trump's enough to know what jonathan has 2020 re-election campaign just said so that's not a fair yet, listen. statement, sir but i do want to ask you furthermore for what >> our members are still jonathan had said about waiting for the supposed specifically the trade deficit that was something that greatness of this economy to reach their kitchen tables, when president trump said he would e radicate and some things china they do i'll cheer, they'll is doing right now most cheer and they will all support economists say it's not a way to the person who helped get us measure trade imbalance and there. david: let's bring in trump trade relations but it has campaign senior trade and jobs increased and you look at manufacturing activity. it is contracted for two advisor curtis ellis, so i straight quarters which means understand there's a difference manufacturing is in a technical between the union leadership and recession. you look at how china has become more integrated we have become the membership, but union more isolated. why is there a disconnect, sir, members across the country

for between what president trump aren't feeling the strength of the economy right now, do you said would happen and what has believe him? >> no, not really. actually happening? >> its taken us 30 years to get you look at the numbers here, into this mess with china it's blue collar wages are increasing going to take more than two faster than managerial wages, quarters to get out of it, it's very simple. record low unemployment, we got the integrated of china i don't historic low unemployment, more see how they are more integrated americans are working than ever, we have supply chains moving out the deregulation, and the tax of china, everybody, rushing to get to the exit and if you read cuts, and the trade reform, the china law blog you'll see we're seeing more jobs coming why, because it's a criminal enterprise over there. back to america and particularly the government has stacked the deck against foreign companies, trying to boost its own national those jobs in the construction trade, the building trades. they're not being, they were champions and no sane businessman would want t make never suffered under mr. obama, they're being served under china their sole supplier for anything and finally we're president trump, and these getting a reality check and people are feeling it and by the way i just want to show you i am people are realizing that america is a better mr. us to do a union member myself. business than communist china. david: oh, there you go. david: curtis i agree with my >> an afl affiliate, the writer colleagues on the trade deficit it is widening instead of 's guild of america, kind of the cadillac of unions, but i getting more narrow as the president said it would however am a union member and so was my i disagree with them in terms of father and union people are very union members because it is true happy, all working people in that this president received america are very happy. more union support from david: i don't know about that. individual union members than just any other republican since >> it's jackie here. ronald regan in the early 1980s.

the second part of the statement said that actually president i'm just wondering, trumka is trump administration has done more things to hurt workers. not a fan of republicans at all. he is a very hard-nosed guy and how do you respond to that and also even if that is the perception out there, that is going to be a problem in 2020. he was known to push people >> well it's funny that mr. tru around when he was working with the coal miners union. this is tough as the president mka is making his comments on the heels of a story would say, is the president actually trying to get his that came out in the wall street support because he did say that journal saying the democratic party is making a play for the union workers to bring them back the democrats can't take union members for granted. to vote democrat because they all voted for president trump >> well that's right, and we the last time around. can't take, he can't take the look, the leadership of the afl republicans can't take president cio and a lot of these trump can't take union members unions are wholly-owned for granted, and it's one thing to get union members and it's subsidiary of the democrat national committee. another thing to get mr. trumka the rank-and-file union members, they know that president trump is their president, their guy, 's support. i would be very surprised if the he's fighting for them and just look at what he's doing with china. afl-cio would come out and no other president, no democrat endorse president trump for no republican, no other election. david: but the question is president ever did what president trump is doing and whether president trump is actively trying to seek his he's doing exactly what he promised he would do, stand up support. >> president trump is trying to for the people who have gotten seek the support of voters and ripped off by china, and that's it is the union rank-and-file the working people. membership that will determine wall street made money investing the outcome of this election and

in china. the working people of america got the shaft. wall street got the gold. the leaders -- >> but unfortunately, the david: and nothing else? working people are the ones that i'm trying to get a little are hurting. i think your statement over behind the scenes action here, there just recently saying that there's nothing going on behind everybody is benefiting is false the scenes between president especially when you talk about trump and trumka? >> well you saw the tweet today the agricultural sector think of it said when they meet in the all of the farmers that may not oval office, richard trumka is be voicing their opinion because they get tons and tons of money very nice and when he comes out he plays for the cameras and in subsidies but that is an over he's a tough guy. david: good to see you curtis -general it station of how thanks very much. class is doing thus far and the well deadly and destructive tax cuts yet no doubt about it hurricane door january slamming we've seen an increase however it is still too soon to see the bahamas and inching towards whether that's going to be a sugar high or not. the east coast, plus a live >> well you look at the update from jacksonville, florida where the storm is employment numbers, the number expected to arrive at midnight of people working, wages are tonight. we'll be speaking with mayor cur increasing, record low unemployment. sure the farmers are hurting, ry, coming up and we're on because of china's retaliation, the ground in the bahamas where we are getting our first awful china's actions but the farmers understand that we need to take on china. glimpse of the devastation that it should havego and they're wio dorian has left behind all of stick this out in order to ger e that coming next. their medicare options...ere people go to learn about owners of farms, for their kids before they're on medicare.

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david: millions along the southeast coast of the u.s. are now bracing for hurricane dorian , which is expected to bring dangerous winds and life threatening storm surges. dorian has now been downgraded to a category 2 storm but its windfield is growing in size, putting more people at risk, as it makes its way to the united states. fox news chief meteorologist rick richmuth is standing by in the weather center and a cat 2 is nothing to be toyed with, right? rick: not at all and you're right when a storm that was wound so tightly with the strongest winds right at the center, that windfield, when the wind goes down that windfield expands as it goes out i just want to show you this. this is where we are in the hurricane season by the way. september 10 is the statistical peak of hurricane season we're right in the very active stretch of it. we've got five different systems out across the atlantic that we're watching. the only one impacting the lower 48 is dorian. there is a little bit of moisture, but i'll come from new

storm fernand, but that is just rain maybe a little bit of flooding with it nothing super damaging. nothing like what we seen in the bahamas images coming out are terrifying from what we're see ing and we're just beginning to get the images. this is the last 36 hours of the storm, finally, it's moving out towards the north and this is a future radar simulation, what the models think the radar will look like going forward in time. overnight tonight bringing very heavy rain and some wind, across cape canaveral and then towards daytona beach. that's probably winds maybe in the 70-mile an hour range, that's going to be probably the worst of it for florida, thankfully, as the center of the storm stays offshore. georgia you'll see some storm surge with this and certainly some strong winds, but probably the closest approach we're going to get from the storm is going to be into south carolina and north carolina where the center of the storm is right offshore or maybe just right onshore, it's going to bring a lot of rain, flooding with it and the

storm surge that is probably going to be in the seven feet or so range, think matthew which was a few years ago took a very similar track to this and last year, david, parts of north carolina and south carolina got hit by hurricane florence, that brought record breaking flooding so here is another hurricane right on their shores. david? david: rick, thank you very much. well the most frightening thing about this storm so far is that its full fury as a cat 5 hovered over the bahamas for more than a day and a half relentlessly battering the islands ripping apart homes and shelters leaving at least five people dead. cabbies you weather national weather reporter is on the ground, in nassau of the bahamas with some new images of the devastation. jonathan what's the scene on the ground there? reporter: good evening here in nassau they are really breathing a sigh of relief because the stop was far enough to the north that they didn't receive many of

the effects of hurricane dorian. just gusty wind, rain as well, but 100 miles from where i am, that's where dorian first made landfall a category 5, 185-mile an hour sustained winds, gusts you can believe this, over 220 miles per hour. that's the estimate, and from what i saw with my eyes today, i can believe it because the damage and what i am seeing on the ground there reminded me of ef-4 and 5 tornado, just the way that the debris was stacked and homes were just blown away. incredible, incredible stuff to see, and also, your hearts breaking because you know these folks have been there without anything for at least a couple of days and might be a little bit longer. even though the coast guard from the united states has been out here, shuttling people back and fourth to the island, taking the worst injured and those in the most need here to nassau and there has been some aid a small

amount at least getting to that island but if you see things here you can tell there's still a lot of standing water. the older homes that maybe aren't well-built or as strong as the new, larger homes, those likely are either a loss, or nearly catastrophically damaged but the bigger mansions appeared to fare a lotbuilding codes andn materials better, but even those took a battering and it's not surprising when you think about the power of this storm abdomen also the surge. you can see the water on the land there around the entire island the airport is still covered in water so it's going to be a very tricky situation to get aid to that island because it is in the middle of the atlantic and a lot of that is still on that island right now. >> jonathan speaking of aid and people on that island what about the evacuation system and center s? what are you seeing now that some people moved off the island are they completely full or not that full because people opted not to leave? >> a lot of people are reaching

out to me on social media after they saw the video, and they're asking if i had flown over a certain key, or a certain island , and that's because they had family or friends that stayed there, so a lot of folks decided to stay and that's often the case in a hurricane unfortunately and i tell people this all the time when i go and talk to people right after a hurricane, that rode it out, as you were, not one person i've ever talked to say it was a good idea. they wish they would have left and unfortunately sometimes it takes going through that and surviving to understand just how terrifying this experience is and unfortunately this is a storm that moved so slowly these folks were dealing with 180-mile per hour winds for well over a day to two days and of course grand bahama, which we haven't been able to get to because of the proximity of the storm yet it's likely a repeat of what you're seeing right there. david: jonathan, stay safe my friend thank you very much for being here, appreciate it. let's go to jacksonville,

florida. mayor lenny curry is joining us by phone. what does it look like now and are you still preparing for a hit? we just saw a computer model that showed it may possibly push onshore just where you are. >> yeah, so its been a marathon we started tracking this thing pretty heavily last week. in fact late last week it looked like we were going to have a direct hi that was saturday or sunday and obviously that chang ed drastically the model slowed down and did terrible stuff it did to the bahamas. what we've seen in the last couple of days and today was it goes off to the east to the right going away from us and now it's slightly coming back to us, but here is where we are right now. regardless of if it's under the current models give or take another five miles in either direction, we have to be prepared. we are prepared. people need to take this seriously. matthew was off of our coastline three years ago, 50 miles off and we had major beach flooding,

inland flooding, downed trees. this would be i believe is 90 miles off so we prepare for a water event. >> mayor it's john layfield, thank you so much for coming on, we are pulling you like the rest of america. as far as your preparation work, mandatory evacuations what are you doing, sir, as far as the preparation itself to help jacksonville weather this incredible storm? >> yeah, public works has been deployed since last week, above and beyond the normal clean drainage and make sure that the infrastructure is working and our utility is checking pump stations and putting things into mitigate problems they've had in the past. we're coordinated with our other agencies, we meet regularly and our emergency operations center with our airport, our port, our schools, everybody is coordinated in speaking with one voice to we're prepared on the

front end we need our residents to heed our warnings, and the unfortunate event that we have major impacts, we'll be together picking up the pieces and taking care of each other afterwards. >> mayor, in jonathan hoenig, thank you for being with us and we truly are praying for you. basic commodities like gasoline, water quickly often types get gobbled up. have you seen anything of what you would describe as price gouging and is there anything going on with your government in terms of cracking down or addressing any issues relating to that? >> i haven't seen any evidence of that but again i've been so focused on the prep that it may not have gotten to me yet, however our attorney general for the state of florida has a program, i was with her late last week, she's got ways to communicate that and people will be tracked and prosecuted if they try to pull that nonsense in jacksonville. david: mayor again we can't say it enough our prayers and best

wishes are with you and the citizens there and you're a brave group. you've dealt with these things before, hang in there and god speed to you all. >> thank, keep the prayers coming. david: will do, mayor, thank you. and we have some breaking news from overseas. uk lawmakers defying their prime minister in a vote aimed at stopping a no-deal brexit on october 31. a move officials say would lead him to have to call for a snap election. now boris johnson responding to the vote saying that parliament is "on the brink of wrecking any brexit deal." and he is also saying the uk will leave the eu without a deal if needed and that an election will be the only way to resolve this. we'll continue of course to follow this story, for any developments. meanwhile, presidential hopeful elizabeth warren pushing her wealth tax in new hampshire. why she says successful entrepreneurs owe america more and they have to pay up. ♪

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david: 2020 democrat elizabeth warren defending her wealth tax proposal while stumping in new hampshire. listen. >> i'm not proposing a wealth tax because i'm cranky. >> [laughter] >> no, i'm not. i'm not. you know, some of these guys say oh, i worked hard. i had a great idea. i worked late. oh, yeah, well like anybody else , but i worked late, or inherited wealth, and so this is mine, and the answer is yeah, you did, good for you. you did have a great idea and you did work hard. no one is angry about that but here is the deal. you built a great fortune here in america. i guarantee you built it at least in part using workers all of us helped pay to educate.

david: by the way again this is not an income tax, it's not a property tax, it's a wealth tax. they take a portion of your wealth. so the big question is is it fair to confiscate 2% of anyone 's property on which taxes have already been paid? >> i'm not going to weigh in on the level of fairness but this is a wealth tax and if we're going to talk about the negative s one she's proposing to raise over $2.7 trillion i think that could be very difficult to actually count how much my wealth is, how much your wealth is, because i could have a paint ing, i could have properties all around the globe. it's already bad it's going to be a very difficult part of this entire proposal but on the flip side, if you look at how many people it's really going to effect roughly what according to the university of berkeley 75,000 homes, 0.1% of the population, so we're here debating this wealth tax, but that's the issue. is it really something we should be talking ability the loopholes and about the estate tax and the

fact that people get bonuses like hedge fund managers and capital gains. the president talked about back in 2016. david: let's keep it on the wealth tax. jonathan. >> just announce this as being evil and this is taking money that's already been taxed and this is elizabeth warren's kind of thing that goes back to 2011. she's the one who originated that whole "you didn't build that" mantra. the whole idea is to induce guilt, in the people that have built successful fortunes and there's notion that bill gates owes his success to the public school education of his employee s, it's beyond ludicrous >> i'm going to jump in and say the one thing is the point that christina made is even if you aggregate all of this money, it's not enfl to solve america's woes so the question i have is what can we do and i've kind of been listening to what she's saying and it doesn't sound completely unreasonable but at the same time you can't just tax , tax, tax, collect, collect, collect, and not reduce spending

and not try to do something positive with it. if she has more balance in her a each pro it might sound a little more reasonable. >> i don't know if it's idiotic as my friend jonathan says but i'm sorry, evil, but i certainly think it's idiotic. i just this makes no sense whatsoever, as katrina was saying -- >> katrina? >> the compliance on this is almost impossible. every year people have to evaluate how much they are worth , paintings they bought, you name it. you talk about hiding wealth the rich are able to hide a lot of wealth when you talk about stuff in real estate, where it is overseas this doesn't work its already been taxed. >> they'll find a way to make it work. you have to denounce this for what it is, which is evil. think about it. the successful businessman, is successful solely because of win -win relationships. the employees were paid, the customers got their stuff, everybody wins, but what elizabeth warren is all about is government. the government force. david: i don't know about evil but i've got to say 15 european nations tried it and scrapped it because it didn't work. the capitol walked out of that

country and the same might happen here. well critics accusing the new york times of bowing to liberal pressure once again. details of the paper's latest change, coming next.

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industry conference, this amid an outcry from the far left 70 crime at activists were recently arrested during a protest outside the paper's headquarters and the times releasing a statement saying, "the subject matter of the oil and money conference gives us cause for concern. we want there to be no question of our independence or even the potential appearance of a conflict of interest." well the times has partially sponsored the oil and money conference since it started back in 1980 so is this really about a conflict of interest? >> yeah, i actually think it is david and first of all i want to apologize to my very good friend christina for calling her katrina this last segment. david: we were talking about hurricanes, you know? >> that's right, i've gotten all kinds of texts from christina and several others during the break about that so i apologize, but i look, i actually think this is a good idea by the new york times. i don't think it's necessarily caving into the left. i think it's a very polarizing topic and when you have a chance to not be in a polarizing topics a the new york times does not

want to be and 50% of the country hates you for this, 50% loves you. to me there's no reason to do this it was just a business decision. >> i hear what you're saying but i'd say they shouldn't be sponsoring any conferences at all as a result of it. why sponsor it since 1980 and just pull out of it right now and the flip side of this argument is the times there were a lot of stories extensive coverage about climate change this particular conference i'm well aware is really a leading oil & gas conference in terms of the ceo's that it brings the conversations it brings. you can't ignore a whole segment of industry. that wouldn't be fair either. >> i don't think they are necessarily ignoring it. they aren't putting their money and name behind it. they may still report on it which i think is valued especially when we talk about journalism but it raises the whole question ethically. they shouldn't be sponsoring it. >> exactly. >> they really shouldn't. unless they preface it and when they are covering it like every time they cover it as a reporter they have to preface hey we put x amount of money behind it.

just like we disclose when we hold stocks. david: jonathan? >> christina would be cool with the new york times sponsoring a green energy conference or look -- >> the whole thing that jackie is talking about now is no sponsorship because there's supposed to be a news organization covering the news. david: but it's a fair question would you be against that as well? >> yeah. david: there's an answer, jonathan. >> i'm not surprised that they don't want to sponsor oil & gas conference because oil & gas, unfortunately, isn't very popular right now and it's a shame because these big companies, i don't know if they deserve our sponsorship but they deserve our appreciation. look around your house right now almost everything is made of some type of oil by-product. these are the marvel innovators that push man's life forward, in fact life has never been better but if you want to have no carbon footprint go back to the dark ages have candles. >> wow that is such an over exaggeration. you know, we disagree many times i agree oil has revolutionized

the way the economy, america, the rest of the globe worked but we immediate to step forward. we need to step forward and start evolving think of clean energy, i was looking at lockheed martin today they have a nuclear fusion thing they're working on i'm not even saying it properly but there is so many steps we can make in the future and i think that you negating that is not the best. >> you mentioned nuclear fusion the irony is they are ones against nuclear energy which they are against everything that works. david: and there's one problem with their explanation that comes on the heels of them changing two stories because of protests. i mean, again, the question is objectivity does any of this effect their objectivity which has been under fire recently. it's an open question. meanwhile, dramatic protests continue over the weekend in hong kong, and beijing, is now out with a severe warning to activists. christian whiten responds to

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david: chinese officials out with a starn warning to protesters in hong kong. they have a state of emergency to crackdown further on activists with much more force with unrest to continue in the city. christian whiten joining us on the panel now so christian the question is what happens now in hong kong? >> already you're seeing beijing basically cracking down, and the chief executive in a meeting that was private but leaked said basically she has no control so instead of an invasion by the peoples liberation army or the police force you'll have probably sort of plussing up hong kong police by mainland authorities becoming more brutal and they've arrested more than 1,000 people many were released but you're seeing a slow motion intervention to try and crack down. >> often what we see with

protests occur over a longer period of time much like this one is the main message becomes diluted and back to 2011 how interviewing a lot of people they don't know they were out there and with this situation you have the bill that they want dead which has been told is dead and then some want kerry lamb to step down and do you feel the message is so diluted they don't even know why they are protesting any more or just going out in forces hoping that the something will change? >> well christina, i think conceptually they want the freedoms they have now to be preserved, chain a promised very explicit saying it was respect ing hong kong's autonomy and the ability to elect their chief executive and those were first in the 1984 agreement between china and the brits and the 97 hand over so yes, there are five big promises including that extradition bill which has been sort of set aside but not

completely keeled off. i think the off ramp here is beijing wants to do it are serious talks between the hong kong government and the elected officials, the pan-democrats in hong kong and until that no matter what beijing does they're not going to be able to extinguish this movement, i think will continue. >> think about the president reagan's famous, tear down this wall, comment, and the bully pulpit is quite powerful. could the president be using it in your estimation in this effect? he talks about how xi is his friend but could he be using the same bully pulpit to denounce this authoritarian use of force in hong kong? >> i think the president is treading a good path here he is the president of the united states and not the head of the human rights ngo, but since he hopes this doesn't end violently and more recently he said what's frankly obvious is that we can't cut a trade deal, if they pull a massacre or crackdown, vice

president pence, secretary pompeo has been further on the human rights front so the messaging is good. it's different. george bush talked a whole lot about the freedom agenda and human rights but then went to china during the olympics and donald trump put the fear of god into beijing so frankly i prefer the stronger bite with less bark >> jackie deangeles here. i'm wondering if china does it's not that they are doing nothing but maybe not as being aggressive as some would think they would be. they are in some ways an oppressive regime and i think the protesters do actually have a clear message. they want those freedoms that they were promises you said to be protected and if this just goes on and on and on, doesn't it force president xi's hand to violently crack down? i'm not saying i'm for that, but you know under the guys of how society is structured there, doesn't that seem to be their only choice? >> well there is that thing and but essentially, xi painted himself into a corner, and the

chinese, oh, they think in terms of decades and we think in terms of news cycles or quarterly earnings and we play checkered and they play chess but really what he's done here is stupid because if he cracks down which is still a possibility that ends hong kong status as a separate trade and financial entity which is a huge blow to the mainland's finances and then if he does nothing he still has this fest erring political descent in a country that's not ever supposed to have political descent so i think the situation is a bit more like politico land , a sustained period of repression but a political movement that can't truly be extinguished. >> christian, the moral crack down on china was very easy to because china wasn't a very big player. since then you look at what chain has done, where they've detained over 1 million muslims into the detention camps, the world has done nothing. just virtually nothing including president trump. i'm not sure what he could do but i'm not sure what he could

do here either. if hong kong does end up getting cracked down by china it appears to me the world won't do much at all. what options does the united states have here, if they do strong arm these hong kongers and protest. >> that's a great point. the commerce secretary ross said well what will we do, invade china or hong kong? there are lots of things we can do in the spectrum between just talk and cracking down. the global act allows us to sanction officials involved in human rights violations that's been held up i believe by the treasury department. we should use that against the people who are running political concentration camps and we should use" against people who are thugs and using brutality in hong kong. no u.s. visas and also under the patriot act, if they are corrupt trafficking money we can take those assets. >> christian, in just about 20 seconds, october 1 is the 70th anniversary of the prc, the people's republic, not something i'm cheering about, but they don't want to have it a blood-

stained anniversary, so is it clear until october 1 that they won't have this massive crackdown? >> yeah, i think they sort of have chosen their path and its increased repression without anything big. we just said communists love pageant are, and they are entering their 7th decade which is the same decade when the u.s. went kaput. david: great to see you christian please come back. and we have more breaking news the president just tweeting this out about hurricane dorian. "the u.s. may be getting a little bit lucky with respect to hurricane dorian, but please, don't let down your guard, as it heads up the coast lots of very bad and unpredictable things can happen. on the other hand the bahamas have been devastated. we are sending crews to help! ". we will continue to follow any updates we have on hurricane dorian and the white house response to it, in this hour. in the meantime, does joe biden want trump's job? does he really want to be

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david: biden under fire, the new york times questioning why 2020 democrat front runner joe biden is actually running for president, in an article titled does joe biden want to be doing this, the paper notes biden's comments that he's a candidate because, "it's really really really important that donald trump not be re-elected" so is saying he's only in the race to beat trump enough to win? >> no i don't think it is and i think the comments are being taken a little out of context and sort of sensationalized a little bit. i don't think that's the only reason that he is doing this and the correlation to that would be

that donald trump was elected because people just hated hillary clinton, and that's not necessarily happening either, but i think what joe biden needs to do is focus lesson the opponent and more on what he can do for this country when you look at the people that are taking the stage the democrat cuomo stage, he actually seems like one of the more reasonable candidates, and he has been messing up lately and come out with some more middle of the road policy i think he would have a better chance than just saying i'm the person to pick if you don't want donald trump. >> yeah, and when you talk about 2016 with mrs. clinton it wasn't just the fact that people didn't like mrs. clinton. she was not a good politician probably the worst of our generation she lost to a junior senator in 2008 and a reality star in 2016 and i don't think it's possible about anybody else that could run for president twice, but she was not inspiring there was nothing about her that inspired people to get out and at jonathan hoenig has pointed out you have to have something that inspires people to go to the booth and i just don't see anything on this democratic side that is inspiring enough to get

people behind it. they are all trying to get this millennial vote and work toward that and joe biden to me just running against president trump, to me i just don't think it's going to resonate with the american people. >> isn't that why he's doing it right now because he's been poll ing really well if you look at several polls it shows you'll want to get the president out of the white house, is doing quite well, so he banks on that and then moves on to more moderate policies like jackie just mentioned because i do agree with you he is more moderate one on the panel you have the rest that are pushing really progress irs ideas, without really getting the financial backing that's needed behind it, but i think there are a large portion of americans that maybe want that electability which we talked about on the show before. >> they do. i think they kind of don't want joe to mess up as much as he has been. >> yeah. >> but this notion, i ran is a wonderful quote that a creative mind is motivated by the desire to achieve not the desire to beat others so this notion that biden can get elected by just being anti-trump or being against trump or wanting to beat

trump to john's point he has to present his positive, forward-looking vision, but really relate to as jackie mentioned those millennials young people who are idealistic joe biden is milk toast. david: just a little bit of political reality here also the democratic party is very divided between the far left socialists and the moderates like biden, whereas the republican party is not divided at all. i've never seen it more unified behind one sitting president. >> you don't have as many candidates though look at that. david: no obviously the point is i'm talking about a president trying to get re-elected. overnear seen a republican party this united around everybody and we've got nor breaking news ladies and gentlemen. pentagon officials say defense secretary mark esper signed off on spending $3.6 billion in defense department construction funds for 175 miles of wall in the southern border with mexico. the defense department is briefing congress right now on

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david: do you feel like you are getting less and less patient in a new survey shows people get impatient after waiting 16 seconds for a web page to load and 15 seconds for a traffic signal to change. is there anything wrong with this? >> time is our most of precious commodity. once it's gone, you never get it

back. >> could he have not left the first segment? i have had to listen to him the last hour. if he would have left 15 years ago, wayne rogers wouldn't have to yell at him. we have a lot of fun together. these phones have turned people into babbling idiots. i don't get the derangement with the cell phones. talk to the person next to you. >> this survey. david: just own it, john, own it. >> it's making everyone crazy.

i'm worried for the kids growing up in this culture and that's all they know. david: at least ban electronics from the dinner table. that does it from for "bulls and bears." liz: let's get you updated with all the headlines. hurricane dorian 100 miles from vero beach. its outer bands lashing at south florida coast. it's expected to get dangerously close to florida. life-threatening conditions expected as the storm barrels its way up the east coast. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. president trump is being updated hourly. 2,500 active duty troops stand ready t