advantage of the kind of trouble of others. it's terrible. connell: awful. melissa: then you see great cases like we had on earlier. connell: i think we see more of that than the other way around. thanks for joining us. melissa: "bulls & bears" starts now. david: facebook ceo mark zuckerberg under fire tonight as one top democrat senator calls for him to be held personally accountable and face possible prison time for his company's mishandling of user data. this as we are just learning of yet another data leak. hi, everybody. this is "bulls & bears." i'm david asman. joining me is steve forbes, kristina partsinevelos, scott martin and steve ford. democrat oregon senator ron wyden turning up the heat on facebook, demanding its ceo, mark zuckerberg, face the consequences of his company's privacy violations, saying this in an interview that's published

today. quote, mark zuckerberg has repeatedly lied to the american people about privacy. i think he ought to be held personally accountable, which is everything from financial fines to and let me underline this, the possibility of a prison term, end quote. let's bring in fox news senior judicial analyst, judge andrew napolitano. judge, tech crunch just coming out with a new data breach, 419 million records of several data bases worldwide have been released and they said the server on which this data base was located was not protected by a password and furthermore, anybody could have found access to the data base. that gives more fuel to the fire of whether or not somebody like zuckerberg could be held personally liable and go to jail as a result of these releases. >> well, this is gross negligence which is a very extreme form of negligence but unfortunately for senator wyden, it is not a crime. as he knows, it is not a crime

for him to lie and it's not a crime for mark zuckerberg to lie, assuming neither is under oath and assuming neither is certifying something to be true. right now, the american public is protected by laws that require, because of a contractual relationship between facebook and its customers, require facebook when it receives confidential information to secure it. they obviously haven't. these breaches you are talking about are egregious and over the top but they are not criminal. if senator wyden -- yet. if senator wyden wants to make them criminal and apparently he does, you sent me earlier today legislation that he's introducing this week which would make this type of thing criminal and hold ceos criminally liable -- david: why are you pointing to steve forbes? >> because he's a famous rich ceo. obviously, because of the constitution, you can't make something criminal retroactive but if he can get the votes in the senate and the president to

go along with it, he can do it looking forward. >> is this like what 1800s when they said -- when they brought in the first deep state administrative agency, nearly wrecked the railroad industry? >> yes. yes. >> is this the same kind of thing? this is the same kind of thing. i have to be a little snarky here. for the government to complain that a private entity is failing to safeguard privacy, the hypocrisy. nothing violates privacy more than the government. you are exactly right. this is probably the left personified by senator wyden wanting to get their hands on somebody who, in their opinion, got too rich too fast, too big, and they don't like something that's bigger and richer than the congress is. >> this is in advance of civilization that he's not proposing to burn them at the stake like witches. >> thank you for being here.

i don't like facebook. i don't have a facebook account, believe it or not. one of few people in america who doesn't. what i don't understand about this is why would anyone give their phone number to facebook? why would anyone give information they want to be private to facebook? in my opinion, this is just people making a mistake and providing this information to facebook and the question i have for you, is this a violation of the contract that facebook has with their users? because if it's not, i don't see, you know, how facebook could be held legally or criminally liable. >> you know, you and i might be of the wrong generation, forgive me for saying that, but there's something so addictive to young people, maybe kristina can tell us in a few minutes, who want to reveal everything through facebook so their friends and even strangers can know everything about them. is your question to me, do you lose the right to privacy in information you give to facebook, yes and no. if facebook confines it to the people for whom you intend it,

you do not lose your right to privacy but if you intend to give your phone number to your 1500 followers and facebook exposes it to 150 million people, they have violated their contract with you. it's a civil violation and you have a cause of action against them if you can quantify the damages. it is absolutely not criminal. >> my point is i would never give my phone number to anybody, if i didn't want it to be public information. so to some extent, people are crying about information they voluntarily handed over to facebook. >> theoretically, if someone sued facebook because their phone number got out to 400 million people, the defense would be what did you think was going to happen when you gave it to facebook? you know what facebook does. sort of an assumption of the risk argument. >> we are focusing on phone numbers and steve moore complaining he doesn't understand the younger generation. i would like to point out scott is closer in age than most --

>> why did you guys leave me out of that? >> to that point, even airlines, you give your phone number to airlines to receive notifications. it happens across the board. most of the people, old or young, don't read the fine print. the issue here is not just the phone numbers. what about the fact of facial recognition? facebook was conducting facial recognition and storing that information on 60 million people without their consent. isn't that something, too? and to your statement, which i find very interesting, we can't go back in time, but we can go forward. so if facebook, if there's another data breach in the coming months, if more phone numbers are revealed, isn't that a case for criminal law and not civil? >> well, that's what senator wyden wants it to be. if mark succezuckerberg certifi numbers, earnings, to be accurate and he knows they're inaccurate, he's committed the crime of perjury by putting his signature on it. senator wyden wants it to be if

zuckerberg in one of his meetings in silicon valley says such and such a thing doesn't happen and it does, he wants to make that criminal. he wants to criminalize the type of corporate puffery and language that is typical of corporate executives and members of congress, senator wyden, and he wants to make that a crime. the government's not going to want to prosecute that. the doj doesn't want to go there. >> don't you think it's a problem? it's constantly happening. google today going after children on youtube. it's constantly happening. i don't think it's necessarily a political thing. maybe the senator has intention, but across the board, companies are doing that. david: let's hear from that young man in chicago. >> i think to that point, guys, these fines, what do we have, a record fine for facebook, $5 billion. once upon a day. the stock rallies, i mean, the fines are falling on deaf ears. i'm wondering if this is almost best handled in the boardroom by shareholders who eventually would vote out zuck or sheryl to put them on a first or last-name

basis in the sense the shareholders will eventually take over these companies and realize these executives are bad for the company versus the government doing it. >> that would depend on how much voting stock, i don't want to get too into the weeds here, sheryl and zuck have. zuck controls the voting stock. that is certainly a free market solution, scott. the idea of criminalizing speech, speech which is typical of corporate executives for whatever purpose, not under oath, is a very very dangerous slippery slope. david: one other question. sarbanes-oxley is one thing we can do for the tech industry, that criminalizes activity if people, board members, misrepresent the financial data they come out with. however, we had this terrible financial crisis and we had all of these liar loans being packed in -- >> talking about '08. david: correct. they were being packaged by banks.

nobody went to jail for that. so you have a law that is never enforced. >> right. that is called prosecutorial discretion. the bush administration had four months to go. president obama was elected to office two months after the '08 crash. he had eight years in office. a liberal democrat didn't prosecute any of these people for causing '08. why? the government had a lot to do with it. fannie and freddie. >> judge, how about the lies we heard on health care? the lies we were told on health care for years and years and years, nobody ever paid for those. david: very good point. >> when roger clemens was prosecuted for lying about the content of his urine -- >> sammy sosa? >> his lawyer said to members of congress but you guys are allowed to lie when you ask my client questions. david: never thought we would use that as an end point for a segment but it happened this time. judge napolitano, great to have you on. thank you. hurricane dorian now moving slowly, edging up the east coast. georgia's governor expanding his

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gets off a helicopter here. they are usually put into ambulances and taken to hospitals here that are working in nassau. over and over again, you hear the same moment, the details are different, but for most of these people getting off the helicopters, there was a life-or-death moment during the storm, during the two and a half days of 185 mile per hour winds, 35 inches of rain, there was a moment when these people thought they were going to die over and over again. over here to my left, we are seeing a lot of people continue to wait for their loved ones. they hope that they get off one of these helicopters. a lot more people inside. we have seen a number of joyful reunions, one small boy bursting into tears when he spoke to his father by phone, and here's another woman speaking about her family reunion. >> how does it feel? >> we can't even talk. we are so thankful. we're still looking for the rest of our family.

reporter: the rescues continue now almost around the clock. the coast guard helicopters are in force so it's really been a move from amateurs, just people trying to save their family with whatever they have, now the u.s. is helping out as well as the u.n. and the red cross. still some very tough terrain to get to on those northern bahama islands. back to you. david: just awful when you see those pictures from the air. thank you very much, steve. meanwhile, georgia governor brian kemp expanding his state of emergency to 21 counties as heavy rain and strong wind gusts are starting to hit the georgia coast right now. >> concerns remain that we will see damaging and life-threatening surf with the coastal surge of three to five feet. if you have not gotten out, if you have time, you should do so now. david: joining us by phone is congressman buddy carter. congressman, thank you for joining us. you represent six counties that

are all under mandatory evacuation but you know, savannah is one of those counties. i must tell you, if i had a home in savannah i would be hard-pressed to leave it right now. >> yes. and that's what we're facing. i'm glad you brought that point up, because a lot of people have become complacent. this is not our first rodeo down here. we have been through this three times in the last three years. and people have just grown tired of it and fatigued at this. it's unfortunate because even in a category 2 hurricane, this could be very serious and a very dangerous storm. >> congressman, it's kristina partsinevelos here. thank you very much for joining us. i wanted to ask you specifically about price gouging. it seems to be a major issue in florida with over 2,000 cases already being reported, $9 case of water which is normally priced at $4. what is georgia doing? i know there is a price gouging law in georgia to mitigate this going forward, and do you have any recommendations for those

viewers that are watching to write down some notes or anything that they can be prepared for? >> well, the governor has already declared all the coastal counties and even some inland counties as disaster, to be an emergency declaration which means price gouging is illegal. if anyone experiences that, they need to write it down and report it. we are not going to tolerate that. that's why this law was passed. that's why we have it in effect. >> congressman, this is scott martin. thanks for joining us. obviously our thoughts and prayers are with you guys. with respect to this storm versus more storms that are obviously possibly going to come given that we haven't even hit peak hurricane season yet, how does something like dorian affect other people's responses say in other storms that may down the pike, if say they didn't evacuate and heed warnings this time around? >> well, it has a big impact on it. as i said earlier, this is not our first rodeo. we have been through this and we're used to it. we understand hurricanes happen

in this part of the country. but you do sometimes become complacent, particularly when you have a slow-moving storm like this has been. it seems like we have been doing this a week and it's only been a few days, but it has drug on and drug on. i know people have become fatigued and i'm just very concerned and i would just appeal to them, please be safe. please heed the warnings of the emergency officials and listen to what they're telling you. david: congressman, i just got to ask a final question. we have to go. but there are a lot of marine bases in the area. i'm thinking of parris island and others. are the marines active in helping evacuate and other things? >> they are. we are very blessed, particularly in the first congressional district i have the honor and privilege of representing. we have four military bases. in parris island up the road in south carolina as well. they just do an outstanding job and offer tremendous help as does the georgia national guard. we are very very fortunate to

have them. david: our thoughts and prayers are with you, congressman. best of luck to you going through these next 24 hours. they are going to be rough. we appreciate you coming in. >> thank you very much. david: thank you. new accusations against a major university in the college admissions scandal. documents now surfacing apparently showing how some less qualified students became vips, guess what, thanks to their parents' money. more on that coming next. if your gums bleed when you brush, you may have gingivitis. and the clock could be ticking towards bad breath,

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interest applicants were described in spreadsheets with references like quote, given two million already or quote, previously donated $25,000 to heritage hall. and quote, father is surgeon. now, it may be shocking to some but hasn't something like this been going on in higher education for generations? >> you know, you are so right. what is the story here exactly? the last time i checked, usc was a private university. they can admit, in my opinion, a private university should be able to admit whoever they want. the big problem i have with this story, this is for all the parents out there, the studies are crystal clear on this. it doesn't matter where you send your kids to college. there's so much pressure on these kids to go to the top 20 schools. i got to go to harvard, got to go to northwestern, got to go -- every study shows it doesn't matter. send your kids to a decent school and stop putting so much pressure on kids to go to one of the top 20 schools in the country. that's what makes them arrogant. that's what drives up their tuition.

>> this idea that if you don't achieve one of the top 50 or 100 schools in the country, your kid is doomed to poverty forever is preposterous. there's a book out "late bloomers" that discusses this and the evidence clearly shows what you get out of a school and more importantly, what you do after the school counts. you look at the ceos of top companies, entrepreneurs, athletes, whatever, and by the way, steve moore is also right, schools should be able to admit who they want. they admit people for athletic purposes because that gins up the reputation of the school and things like that, so if those who believe in diversity, let them be diverse. >> are we 100% certain these schools are not receiving any type of government funding? i don't think they fully 100% act as a private institution. therefore we should be holding them accountable. >> for what? >> what they're doing. >> do you want the government to

have standards? you must have -- >> maybe get the government out of these schools so they can fully operate as a private institution. at this point, they are not all fully private institutions. therefore, what they are doing is wrong. to steve moore's point about the parents not putting as much pressure, i think a lot of that has to do with employers, too. there is an extremely heavy weight put on where a student goes to school, especially if you go into any of the finances. >> that's just for your first job, only for your first job. >> you need that door to open in the first place. >> most young people go through three or four or five jobs before they find their -- >> they dochlt. >> we hire a lot of young kids out of college. i think you're right, the government is probably involved so they are doing wrong things there, certainly lying to people about maybe the standards they do or don't have. i will say, guys, we are kind of lucky this is happening now in somewhat of a volatile action in the sense of the word because this is a sea-change we may need for colleges going forward to get it that they're not that

important in the sense of like steve said, wherever a kid goes, as long as they get good grades, if they do internships, other studies that further their education, the name on the diploma is becoming less and less evident and that hurts the colleges that are trying to pull this stuff off. >> which is why employers more and more are giving their own tests to applicants, doing their own assessment about who is going to be good because they realize what a kid does in college. that doesn't predict the value of how they will perform long-term. >> the big article in the "wall street journal," the big employers like google and amazon are actually providing kids with the education they didn't get in college. after spending $250,000 for the diploma. >> you have to teach them how to write. >> and the programs to find these kids to begin with. david: thank you, gang. are the u.s. and iran about to have their first talks in decades? state department spokesperson

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the news we brought yesterday on the defense department diverting $3.6 billion in military construction funds for new border walls. the pentagon now saying 23 states, 21 countries and 3 u.s. territories will be impacted by the reallocation of funds. in all, 127 military construction projects have been deferred. senior defense official sent notifications to u.s. allies were made today about the cuts. we will continue to monitor this story for any updates. they want to talk, they want to make a deal. iran is not the same country it was two and a half years ago, that i can tell you. iran is a country with tremendous potential. we're not looking for regime change. they have tremendous potential and i think they're going to want to take advantage of that potential. reporter: is it possible there will be a meeting between you and president rouhani at the u.n.? >> sure. anything's possible. david: president trump saying he is open to talks with the

president of iran just weeks from now at the u.n. general assembly. the meeting would be the first between the two countries in four decades. here in her first u.s. interview since taking the position as state department spokesperson, former panelist at "bulls & bears" morgan ortegus. good to see you. morgan is also a former fox news contributor. so attention to the news of this potential meeting between the two leaders, the state department is announcing that it's offering million dollar rewards for information on how the iranians are bypassing our sanctions. are the rewards working and what are you finding out? >> so what we announced today is part of the rewards for justice program, that's up to $15 million, for anyone who has information on iran's illicit networks, on their oil sector. this coincided with the treasury department announcing more designations as it related to iran and yesterday, we had designations on iran's space

agency, obviously you saw in the news what happened with their failed missile launch. so this is a part of overall a maximum pressure campaign that we have put on the iranian regime over the last year, since the president withdrew from the jcpoa. we believe the deal was fundamentally flawed, that it led iran towards a path towards a nuclear weapon, it did nothing to curb its ballistic missile activity which could threaten our interest and allies in the region and of course, it allowed the iranian regime to get p pallets of cash. there has been no curbing of their illicit behavior. in fact, we have seen their behavior just get worse and worse and worse. >> morgan, you just said maximum pressure for regime change, yet we just heard the president -- >> not regime change. >> okay. i will change that quote. the president just said we're not looking for regime change. yet just this past week, we have seen a news story coming out that iran has created nuclear centrifuges, the u.n. has asked

iran to show sites where they are storing possible nuclear weapons, they're not doing so, they are bypassing that. how can you have both maximum pressure but not have regime change? >> well, because the point of the maximum pressure campaign is to get the regime to the table to negotiate with us. to behave like a normal nation. if you looked, around a year ago secretary pompeo gave a speech where he laid out 12 conditions in which the iranians, the regime needed to behave in order to lift sanctions, to start negotiations, to come back into normal polite society, into the league of nations, and those 12 demands were very realistic things in which we asked the iranians to kquit terrorizing their neighbors and to, you know, abide by things again that responsible nations behave. so i think that your question is very good, what is the point of maximum pressure. as the president has said, whether it's iran, whether it's north korea or china and their trade deal, you name the country, the president is willing to go through any diplomatic means necessary in order to bring people to the

table to come to a peaceful resolution. unfortunately, what we have seen in the case of iran is that the regime has met the president's office -- the president's offer of diplomacy with kinetic action and with breaking their promises and breaking deals time after time. >> it's scott martin. we all want to see things work out better with iran but given that we have decades of history with them where they haven't, what happens if let's say in a year or so we don't have things working out any better? you know, they have been daring, let's say, in their procedures over in the middle east whether it's been against us or japan, for example, with respect to attacks, what are we going to do going forward besides some of the pressure you are talking about? are we looking at possible war action maybe next year if things don't work out? >> well, i think the president has certainly signaled that he is not looking for another war in the middle east. he's not looking to go to war with iran. the president is keeping the sanctions in place, he's keeping the maximum pressure, you know, campaign and this is i think the

challenge that we face in such complex foreign policy issues is that we have a regime that we are trying to -- trying to pressure, trying to contain. we hope that our allies and our friends will continue the route of diplomacy, will continue to urge the regime not to take kinetic action. think about it, the iranian regime supplies military weaponry to the houthis in yemen, who are attacking civilian airports in saudi arabia. i mean, imagine if this was happening from us that canada or mexico, that there were separatist groups being funded by the iranian regime that were attacking civilian airports in america. let's really personalize what they are doing to the region. that's just in yemen. that doesn't account for how they threaten israel on a daily basis and how they fund hezbollah, hamas, et cetera. >> morgan, can i change the subject for just a second? i wanted to ask you about what's going on in hong kong. i love the secretary of state,

mike pompeo has been a superstar but i'm disappointed, frankly, that the united states government has not shown more moral support for these freedom fighters in hong kong. what is your take on this? can we at least jawbone the beijing government to treat these people more humanely? >> i don't think that's accurate at all. i mean, in fact, in a simple google search i could pull up everything the secretary has said in the past few months, in the past nine or ten weeks now since the protests started as it relates to hong kong and what the president has said as well. i mean, i think -- and i have been at the podium and talked about this just within the past month. we had an issue in hong kong where one of our diplomats was harassed by state-sponsored media outlets in china and we called that out. we called that, we said the chinese communist party was behaving as a thuggish regime and we were very explicit to call that out. of course, we have been working behind the scenes on this issue. i know that i have been in

meetings with the secretary, with his counterparts in china, and these are the sort of discussions that we have both publicly and behind the scenes. so maybe it doesn't make the news as much as iran or north korea and other subjects but i think the secretary has a long record over the past few months of speaking out for democracy. david: morgan ortegus in her first u.s. television interview. please come back and see us again. we have breaking news. the democrat field may be shrinking even further soon. the "new york times" just reporting that presidential candidate bill de blasio says he's likely going to be dropping out of the race if he doesn't qualify for the fourth set of debates in october. it's the first time he's publicly contemplated an end to his presidential bid. de blasio, who is in his sixth year as mayor of new york city, did not make the third upcoming democrat debate after qualifying for the first two. the deadline to qualify for the fourth debates is october 1st. we should know before then. meanwhile, it's not against the law to refuse to help a

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there's a lot of it, i said it before, politicians that go in front of a podium, say things that misinform the public and we end up with things happening like december 20, 2014. this is the third thing he's done in the last month, want to make it harder for officers to determine whether or not they need to use deadly physical force, want to document every single time an officer takes out his weapon. a year from now they want to be able to say they stopped a disproportionate number of minorities. the crisis we are in now nationwide they should want to back the police officers. they go out there every single day, like the mass shooting last week, they called a police officer when they need help. to go out there and set the tone like this don't help the cops. that's not right. >> sergeant, thanks for all your service and support of the public. certainly we appreciate it. given that you mentioned like how the kind of tone is out there on the streets, how has it been for you guys out there with respect to a lot of this stuff that's around? is it starting to affect people's cooperative nature that

maybe they had before they saw their leaders telling them not to do it? >> going back to the president obama administration, we saw the riots in ferguson, missouri, we saw it in staten island with eric gardner and obviously it hasn't been easy to be a police officer anywhere, not just new york city or california. but if you like joe borelli to have your back, stand up there every day and tell cops, nobody ever needs to worry the cops aren't going to go out and do what they have to. our job is to help the people who need it most. save the individuals that need saving. just do your job. we will never stop doing it. >> is this because crime has fallen in the last 30, 40 years? certainly in new york city. are we taking it for granted that we don't have the murder rates we had in the late '70s, '80s and '90s? we don't have the violence, we are sort of thinking this is just the normal state of things, they forget why it's happening? starting with the broken windows theory? >> we are definitely taking it for granted. things like broken windows, when they're jumping turnstiles, it's a petty crime but you know how

many people you stop wanted for murder and robbery? >> also in the beginning they were carrying guns until they learned carrying guns -- >> people don't realize there are so many guns out there today, there's an arrest made every single day in new york city because police officers put their lives on the line, they are willing to do things people wouldn't imagine doing. glad you brought up the crime stats. you always hear it's lower and lower and lower. maybe in certain categories. there are so many categories on the way up. there are more cases, so is crime really down just because someone is not getting shot or stabbed? i don't know about that. >> it's because you're doing your job. >> well, you have to credit the officers for doing that. >> there's something i never understood about this issue about the racism of our police departments. i'm from chicago. you know, you are obviously there in new york but a large percentage of the police are african-american and hispanic, are they not? >> yeah. you know, it's funny, i always say police officers are the all-star team of the united states because you have officers from every single background. all around the world, they put their lives on the line to help people. what i have noticed as a police

officer is people throw the racism term in as like a catch-all and it's not necessarily true. officers aren't going out there and stopping an individual just because of their race. they are stopping individuals because they committed a crime, they stop a certain individual. you hear all the time well, x amount of blacks or minorities or whites. well, i live in staten island so you will stop a ride predominantly white individuals in my neighborhood. if i go to east flatbush, you will stop other individuals. people are misinformed. >> steve forbes said tragically in chicago this weekend, 21 murders in one weekend. >> incredible in chicago. what's going on. i want to bring it back to what the media often plays. those are the situations which result in some type of injury or death and the police officer has turned off his body cam. are you seeing that as a common -- i hear a lot of stories about that.

within your experience, do police officers or co-workers feel like their privacy is constantly being invaded? you said monitored so they are turning it off? >> no. what happens is when you got to make a split second decision, you jump outside the cashings you might have to use deadly physical force. you aren't worried about hitting that button. you are worried about stopping the threat, not ending it, stopping it. people use the terms a little loosely. but my opinion, body cameras are the best things ever because it goes to show the officers doing their job in the right way. you know, in 2014, they were coming out here saying unarmed black men are being shot by police officers, it's not on camera. guess what, danny pantaleo was on camera and he still didn't like the outcome. for officers, it saves officers because it's not hearsay anymore. it's the truth. david: just to put a fine point on what steve said, we had 2200 murders a year in manhattan in the late '80s. that has gone down to below 400 as a result of all the things supporting the police that really work. we thank you for your service. appreciate you being here. meanwhile, ten 2020 democrat

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david: ten democrats are taking the stage tonight in a climate crisis town hall, taking the stage one by one to sell their plans on saving the environment. fox news is outside the town hall in portsmouth, new hampshire. peter, anything coming in under a trillion dollars? reporter: not anybody in the top tier, david. the whole process to get rid of greenhouse gas emissions is going to cost a lot of money but we are starting to hear candidates' guesses as to how

much. bernie sanders says the magic number is $16.3 trillion, and he claims that wouldn't just convert the electric grid to clean energy and get rid of anything that emits carbon, he says it would also end unemployment because you would need to hire millions of people to help with that transformation. kamala harris has a plan that costs almost as much, $10 trillion in public money and private money, and she has a special emphasis on leveling harsh penalties against the worst polluting companies, something that elizabeth warren also seeks to do with her plan, that also costs a lot but only a fraction of what sanders or harris want, $3 trillion tax dollars for elizabeth warren. these candidates right now are all chasing joe biden, though. he spoke for years about climate change as barack obama's vice president and his plan now is more measured than some others in the primary field, $1.7 trillion would satisfy biden, who has been very complimentary of the green new deal and the goals that it lays out, but he didn't have a way to co-sponsor

the green new deal in the senate the way some others did, including kamala harris and the green new deal will still be somehow associated with all these plans. we saw that today when kamala harris announced her climate change proposal, she namedropped alexandria ocasio-cortez. david? david: interesting. peter, thank you very much. well, a new sierra club poll showing joe biden is not only the frontrunner for the nomination, but the leader on climate change as well. even though his plan is the cheapest of the lot. so what do you all make of this? >> david, the whole thing is preposterous in the sense none of these plans are going to do much to reduce emissions. they do enormous damage to the economy and we know when economies get richer, the climate gets better because people have more resources to clean it up. you look at germany, they spend billions, hundreds of billions on alternative energy sources, they have more emissions now than ever before because guess

what? they use obsolete technology and when the wind doesn't blow, and the sun doesn't shine, they got to go back to coal. david: oh, boy. >> electricity costs are three times higher in germany than in the u.s. >> you just talked about none of these plans doing absolutely anything which i think is too soon to even say. several of them did propose a carbon tax. why not use market mechanisms to wean fossil fuel companies off of this to try to reduce -- >> what do we have against natural gas? >> what to we have against trying to at least improve the air we are breathing? we don't have to -- that was a goal from the president, to make the united states' air cleaner. we have not seen that, the water cleaner, what is going on in flint and in newark? david: i've got to go. go ahead and button it up for us, steve moore. >> the two sources of energy that reduce greenhouse gas emissions the most are natural gas and nuclear energy, and almost all those candidates are against both of those forms of energy. david: good point. thank you, gang. looks can be deceiving. why pop star arianna grande is now suing a major fashion

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