win. [closing bell rings] what a market day. a turnaround from stocks falling dramatically, a big move to the upside. big enough to give the dow, s&p and nasdaq gain. dow and s&p still on track for the worst day -- melissa: reversal on wall street. stocks making a comeback after sinking on weak services data this morning this report now raising the odds for the fed to cut-rates this month. the dow closing up 122 points. we saw a lot of that come in basically the last five minutes. connell: yep. melissa: we were down more than 300 points at the low. i'm melissa francis. >> i'm connell mcshane. nice to close at the highs. welcome to "after the bell." nasdaq and dow closing in positive territory for first time in three days we've seen that nasdaq closing up more chan 1%. fox business team coverage set up for all this. gerri willis watching markets on the floor of the new york stock exchange.

phil flynn has his eye on oil and gold at cme. hillary vaughn is live in dallas today at a google roundtable event. gerri to you first on the roller-coaster session. reporter: wow, wow. you said it at one point during the day we dropped 336 point on the dow the within that hour we turned green. maybe expectation after rate cut, maybe two by the end of the year. traders like that idea even though the services sector appeared anemic here. dow, one week. we were down 840 points combined tuesday an wednesday. now we are in the green today. but on the week, the dow is down more than 2%. s&p down more than 2%. nasdaq down 1%. we have got a ways to go to see our way through this thicket. dow laggards this week, 3m, one of the industrials stocks getting killed bit manufacturing report earlier in the week. price target cut by barclays and

credit suisse. bad news for 3m. they're down 5.63%. caterpillar same story. industrial stock getting hammered by this bat news on manufacturing. goldman sachs, entire financial sector traded lower this week. we know the rate cuts are coming. that does not help bank profits. there you have it. nice turn around today but we have a ways to go to be positive on the week. hope sprigs eternal for friday though. connell: thank you, gerri. paul dietrich with us, fairfax global ceo, and chief investment officer. mike, you take this first. we bounced today. we're due for a bounce but not on good news, bad news. a rough economic report this morning as gerri said we're counting on the fed. what do you make of this environment? >> i think this is overreaction to a lot of these surveys that came out. i will tell you that this is survey data, not hard data. last year and in 2017 a lot of

survey data was up in the 60s. new orders as part of ism was the highest level since the 1970s. so where was the euphoria then? why is everyone apocalyptic now? personal consumption at the moment is up at 8.7% annualized rate since 2017. the highest level of the decade. i think we're humming along but manufacturing has hit a speed bump. connell: your point, michael's point, paul interesting to see if you disagree with this. not to horrible that the fed may bail us out but maybe things are not as bad as we thought. what do you think? >> no question the economy is slowing but you have got to put it in perspective, investors have to do that. we had 3% growth last year. we'll have 2.2%, 2.3% growth this year. that is a significant drop but, if you remember, the last four years of the obama administration we averaged 2.2% growth. we had a bull market during that

time. 2.2% growth is real growth. i think we'll slow down even more next year. we'll probably see recession in 2021. melissa: september jobs report due out tomorrow morning following a tough week for the markets. so what can we expect from the report? michael what do you think? >> i don't think we're going to have a blowout jobs number in either direction. i think we'll get an okay number about, somewhere between 120, 130,000 jobs. part of the reason for that, there is not a lot of people left in the workforce. melissa: right. >> at the moment there is 1.2 million more jobs available than people looking for work. if you look at the weekly jobless claims, we're at he lowest level since the late 1960s on absolute basis even though size of labor force is doubled. i don't think there is much more to add. i'm looking at manufacturing jobs, are we adding, are we declining, how does wage growth look? melissa: paul, what will you drill down on the report.

what do you think about wage growth? >> i agree with michael. you're absolutely right. that is what we have to look for. if we're getting over 2.7% wage growth, that means the reason employment growth is going down is because they just simply cannot find the laborers. but if wages are going up that means, that's a good sign in that it means that people are having to pay more for few workers still qualified to do the business. if it is less than 2.7, it means we're really seeing slowing employment growth. but i think we're going to see decent wage growth. i think that's a good sign for the economy, even if we don't quite hit analyst projections. connell: we'll watch for all that tomorrow. talk about oil right now for a moment. it was down today. that is eight sessions in a row. the longest losing streak for oil in 11 months. phil flynn joins us from the

floor in chicago. what did you see today, phil? reporter: connell i saw a market really concerned about the global economy and demand and that really caused the market to really tank today. it turned around but not as big as the stock market. couldn't quite get higher in the day. closed 12 lower. which usually sign there is more pain for oil. if you look at oil products they had a good day. they got higher in gasoline. diesel fuel came back really, really strong. we had comments from russia, russian oil minister. saudi oil minister. they're saying people are too negative on demand. we're seeing reports actually global demand for oil was very strong in august. gold, on other hand, came back. recession fears are good for gold. goldman sachs said perceived threat of recession will drive gold to $1600 an ounce. you don't have to have a recession. just perceived threat of one and gold will shine. connell: phil flynn in chicago.

melissa: first testimony in the impeachment inquiry quicking off today. the president is firing back. blake burman at it white house. blake. reporter: president trump calling not for one but two different investigations into joe and hunter biden as he left the white house for florida earlier today. the president said that ukraine and china should look into the bidens. the president was then asked whether or not he has discussed this at all with president xi xinping? >> i haven't but certainly something we can start thinking about because i'm sure that president xi does not like being on that kind of scrutiny where billions of dollars is taken out of this country by a guy that just got kicked out of the navy. he got kicked out of the navy. all of sudden he is getting a billion dollars. you know what they call that? they call that a payoff. reporter: the president takes issue of hunter biden's travel with his father, that image in 2013. days later a private equity fund

hunter biden was involved with received money from china. the president claims $1.5 billion but "the washington post" fact checker has disputed that figure. in a statement today the biden campaign said the president continues to engage in what they see as an abuse of power adding as well, quote what donald trump said on the south lawn of the white house was this election's equivalent of his famous, russia, if you're listening moment from 2016. a grotesque choice of lies over truth and self over the country. those comment came as the president was leaving for florida where he signed an executive order involving medicare. he had a bit of a dual role as the president was giving his position, saying he wants to strengthen medicare advantage while going to the swing state of florida and attacking "medicare for all" which many democrats back as socialism. there was one point there, melissa, connell, toward the end that raised some eyebrows as president said the nonsense, the hoax that he calls it, essentially talking about impeachment efforts, could very

well be backed by big pharma. the president saying that he quote, wouldn't be surprised if it was some industries like pharmaceuticals that we take on. back to you. melissa: huh. all right. blake burman. thank you. connell: another day. making a pledge meantime to american workers and small businesses. ivanka trump, joining the google ceo sundar pichai for a roundtable discussion that took place in dallas. that is where the tech executive made announcement of a 10 million-dollar addition to support entrepreneurs. hillary vaughn was there for it. she is on the scene with details. hillary? reporter: connell today google signed on to president trump's pledge to american workers by also announcing an expansion of their successful i.t. certificate program. that program will now be available to over 100 community colleges around the country. that will open up over 250,000 new job opportunities.

>> form partnerships and introduce programs to create economic opportunity for people in all 50 states. i'm proud to be here to sign to pledge to america's workers to take this commitment even further. reporter: so far 85,000 people have participated in the program. those that get the certificate get access to google's job board that features job openings from major companies like ge, hulu, walmart. those companies have agreed to look at candidates who have google's i.t. professional's certificate. ivanka trump joined pichai meeting with students at a community college in dallas. >> i want to highlight three students we met today. when google says they're committed today to signing our pledge to america's workers and creating 250,000 new training

opportunities, we have people that -- [inaudible] reporter: right now there are over 200,000 job openings available for i.t. position but not enough qualified workers to fill it, connell. google along with the white house is trying to change that the big perk of this all you don't need a college degree to participate in this program, which means you can get a really good-paying job with no student debt. connell. connell: hillary vaughn live in dallas for us. melissa: michael and paul are back with us. to me that is one of the biggest stories of the whole entire day. this is what businesses have been saying they need to do but they need the red tape out of the way. they have to get out there to train the workers that they need. they have all these open jobs. ivanka trump has been working on this behind the scenes trying to connect businesses and communities to get these things up and running. michael what is your tech? what is your take? is this the blueprint for companies going forward? >> you know, ivanka trump has been really active in all sorts

of job training. just as an aside, going to the military, letting those certification for blue-collar jobs go across. getting inmates released from prison job training to enter construction and labor workforce. this is another example. google, $10 million is like couch change to the rest of us. melissa: yeah. >> google has 90% of search. they're in big danger being broken up. i think they need to add a few more zeros to that program if they want us to take them seriously. melissa: paul, i don't think they would mind doing that. this is not charity. they don't have enough workers to fill jobs. all the companies are in the same position. they need people with the right skills. i love the idea you don't need a college degree. come in the program and you are ready to work. that cuts down on the debt problem. >> this is the future of week. they already trained three million people in digital services. a former secretary of labor just said a few weeks ago, top 10 in

demand jobs in the united states did not exist 10 years ago. i should make one other point. this particular program with $10 billion or $10 million is for minorities. they have actually, google is actually pledged over one billion dollars for this overall program and this is just a small part of it. so i just wanted to give them credit for that. melissa: absolutely. guys, thank you. paul, michael. appreciate it. connell: another top issue of the 2020 race. president trump cracking down on the progressive push for "medicare for all," a move he says puts america's seniors most at risk. talked about that today. we'll break down the new white house plan for you. melissa: plus the scandal still rocking the nation. another parent sentenced in the college admissions scam. what his time behind bars could mean for the rest of the cheating elite. connell: an unexpected shift. how a candidate who wants to

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outlining a vision for how medicare should work. phil keating covering that for us. on the ground near the president's event in florida. phil? reporter: connell, president trump left washington this morning and the on going impeachment inquiry, coming down here to central florida for a far more friendly territory, the massive villages retirement complex where in 2016 the president won 68% of the vote. he is on his way now back to washington on board air force one. however, while he was here, the president signed an executive order in front of about 1000 enthusiastic retirees. he spoke of keeping medicare intact. the order is called protecting and approving medicare for our nation's seniors and the president is vowing to protect patients, deliver affordability, and give seniors options and quality. slamming "medicare for all" and socialized medicine proposals being touted by democratic presidential candidates like

bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, claiming those proposals will lead to months long waits for health care and operations and reduce quality and options. >> medicare is under threat like never before, you know that. you will not be very happy here. almost every major democrat in washington is backing massive government takeover that would totally obliterate medicare. reporter: 50,000 retirees live here at the villages where golf carts are the thing. in florida, a third of the state is over 55 years old, with nearly five million using medicare. we met with a retired couple in their 70s. they tell us their biggest fear when it comes to future health care is simply the big unknown what is going to happen to medicare. >> the concern is, that we have, we like medicare now as it is and it is done well for us.

we're healthy folks. but, the concern is, what might happen in the future. that is the biggest deal. reporter: medicare is always a big concern for america's senior citizens and retirees. as the baby boom generation continues to add and retire to the pool the medicare trust fund is always under threat. it is currently forecast to at least remain solvent until 2026. connell: phil keating from the villages for us. melissa: here to react, hadley heath manning from the independent women's forum. what do you think about today's event and the message? >> it is a sharp contrast, melissa, between the president's agenda on health care and the democratic agenda on health care where democrats want to eliminate private options and replace the private marketplace with "medicare for all." this as president trump saying i want to strengthen, preserve medicare for seniors, the population it was intended for

initially. make it fiscally solvent and more affordability. he wants to make medicare more like the private market and make the private market more functional. he has demonstrated in other actions on health care, he wants to give patients of all ages more choices when it comes to the plan, where and how they receive health care. it's a pretty stark contrast. melissa: what is more tempting political message? i understand the idea when we talk about "medicare for all," there isn't enough money for that even if you confiscated all of the income of our top whatever percent. we have all seen the numbers but at the same time that doesn't stop people hoping, wanting to believe in it the way they wanted to believe in obamacare? do they still win with the message we'll spread great medicare thing out for all? or do people understand math and appreciated president's message? what is your take? >> you know i think the challenge is, americans are compassionate people. we want to be sure everybody is taken care of.

that no one falls through the cracks. part of appeal for "medicare for all," the promise, false promise it would protect everyone. meanwhile we have had for a long time safety ned programs like medicaid which affordable care act expanded i believe to the detriment for most vulnerable people. the same thing would happen if medicare expanded. seniors who are the primary population that medicare was designed for would no longer have the safety net program that is designed for them. so i would really caution against the idea of moving to "medicare for all." melissa: i don't want too interrupt you, i think what you're say something factually correct in terms of the nation's resources do people currently on medicare get if we try to spread it out, they for example, use four times in dollar terms the amount of benefit as to what they paid in? that is why it only works for a limited portion of the population. obviously you can't spread that out to everyone, so they would

lose their benefits? do you think people currently on medicare get they would lose so much? >> i think some of them do. i think it is difficult when you talk about medicare because in contrast to medicaid or other safety net programs, medicare is one throughout our working lives we do pay n we pay something in. of course many seniors continue to pay while they benefit from medicare. they have premiums. maybe on a medicare advantage plan or supplemental plans. there is sense of ownership medicare patients feel. it is the case no matter what your age people satisfied with the health insurance plan want to keep what they have. that is challenge for politicians. that is the challenge for president obama when he promised if you like your plan you can keep it. we'll fix the health care system for other people who had a need. we saw how that worked out. people couldn't keep the plan they liked. when they hear about talking about expanding medicare, ultimately take "medicare for all" at its word. it will be eventually for all,

for everyone without private options. melissa: hadley, always great to talk to you. thank you. >> thank you. connell: "fox business alert." costco just came out with its fourth quarter earnings results. the stock is selling off on the numbers, gerri willis. what did they say? reporter: this could be better. a disappointment on both the top and bottom line. show you numbers, eps coming in at 2.47 versus 2.54 a share as the estimate. revenue, a bit of a disappointment too. actually 47.5 billion. estimates, 47.57 billion. they just didn't make it. analysts expected improvements year-over-year of 7%. it was not to be. even same-store sales a bit of a disappointment. they came up 5.1%. but i got to tell you, expectations sky-high for the talk. one analyst calling it a business model safe haven in a retail battlefield. maybe not. here is the big question for tomorrow i think.

is this read as a failure of management, which i got to tell you there is a lot of confidence in management of costco, or is this about the economy? i guess we'll have to wait and see. disappointment for costco here. connell: it is not a huge selloff interestingly enough in the stock. only down 1 1/2%. we'll see what happens tomorrow. thanks, gerri. melissa: one for you, 19 for me. a new survey counts how much of your money the taxman takes. you won't believe what it all adds up to. economist ben stein does the math later in the hour. communist authorit -- authorities looking to crack down on protests. a new move that might change the future of demonstrations there. ♪

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masks at the protests. talk about it with james carafano, heritage foundation vice president, national security and foreign policy. this is interesting in some ways, i was there at the very beginning of the protest movement in june. i naively walked up to some protesters when we first got there to ask them about the masks, are you afraid of tear gas. a little bit. these masks wouldn't do much for that. we're afraid people seeing our faces. they do not want the authorities to see them f the authorities do move this direction, what impact would it have on protest movements? >> that is really interesting development. we haven't seen this kind of legislation talked about in hong kong since the 1960s. what it tells me, remember the old ancient maps? we gone off the end of the earth. people are making it up. nobody had a plan on what to do. all sides are making it up as they go along. the hong kong administration really frustrated and clueless

how to december escalate these. -- de-escalate. they're throwing spaghetti at the wall. connell: we're joined live in hong kong by fox news correspondent greg palkot early in the morning there. as we become accustomed to talking about greg, what is the latest as you sit there early in the morning, greg? all right. obviously a little trouble hearing. i only waited a extra second, thought maybe it was delay in the satellite. james, let's continue our conversation. we would talk about what is next that is the question. they're throwing stuff at the wall, seeing what sticks. and we had a guest on yesterday, a couple days ago from hong kong, one of organizers, how will this end up? nobody really seems to know. it keeps going? how does it end up? >> nobody really knows.

we have a good analogy for this. think back earlier this year when we had kind of attempted coup in venezuela. they tried, there was a big standoff, how will this end? it is still going on because, it was like a road accident. nobody really expected to be there. nobody really knew how to get there from there. that is the situation of all three sides, hong kong government, chinese government and protesters nobody knows a way out of here. all the fault goes back to the chinese government. they encroached on basic law which insured one country, two systems that preserve the economic and political rights of the people of hong kong. they started to encroach. it blew back in their face. they just kind of been watching this like a a a dumpster fire. they're clueless hue to help the people of hong kong. they are not doing anything proactive, construction activity to end the situation.

they're doubling down on failure to address the responsibility to their own citizens. connell: in your writings you talk about the issues beijing is facing quote-unquote problems for the regime and you mentioned hong kong as one of them. you said something that it damages the chinese government brand to some extent and it is happening at a time obviously there are other issues china must deal with, not the least of which is trade back and forth with the united states. we have talks resuming next week. if the thing drags on and on and on, can we have a trade agreement between the two countries? >> i do think these things are going on separate tracks. they are not connected. collectively they have to wear on regime in beijing. the economy is slowing. they're not having success in the trade negotiations. hong kong is an embarassment. belt and road initiative is looking skeptically and huawei. it is coming to roost.

on 70th anniversary look at china's great success, emergence on the world stage, they looked like a fragile giant. connell: from hong kong they do. do they look that way from the main land? i know the pictures are propaganda we only see the best of the best. will we see that in mainland china? >> no i don't. people look at hong kong, you people have everything, what are you complain about. there is very little sympathy. they're looking at their own lives and situations. slowing economy. all other things i think they will weigh on the chinese. i think the chinese will have to go through a period of introspection here and say, we burst out of the blocks three years ago after party congress, china has arrived. looks like they forgot to put their pants on. connell: it is something of a mess. james carafano, always very interesting to get your analysis. thanks for coming on again.

we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. melissa: another parent in the college admissions scandal facing a judge for sentencing. we're live in boston with details. connell: silicon valley, is it embracing senator elizabeth warren despite the warning to break up big tech? donors are warming up to the idea of her as president. that would be surprising. melissa: yeah. connell: we'll have reasons behind the sudden change coming up. melissa: starbucks is working on a store in penn station, starbucks pickup, they only accept orders for people who place orders on their phones. they have yet to announce an opening day. sounds cool though. ♪ maybe i'll win ♪ saved by zero 2,000 fence posts. 900 acres.

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gordon caplan, former co-chair after prestigious international law firm. he found himself on the other side of the bench. molly line continues to cover this story. she joins us from boston with the latest. reporter: hi, connell. gordon caplan is expected to self-report to prison november 6th. he has been sentenced to one month behind bars and the expectation is that he will self-report like many of the other parents at this point been sentence thus far. prosecutors initially called for eight months, argued in court unlike others embroiled in the scandal who first engaged with singer for legitimate services, his relationship with the haster mind was a scheme from the start. unlike other parents, kaplan's daughter was unaware of her daughter's cheating efforts. -- father es cheating efforts. caplan repeatedly apologize which he did outside of the

courthouse again earlier today. >> i fully respect the decision of the decision of the court today. i'm deeply and profoundly sorry for being involved in this, this mess. i am focused now on doing everything i can to regain some portion of my good name. thanks. reporter: looking ahead another father learns his fate tomorrow. a wealthy california inventor agreed to pay $300,000 in bribes to test cheating and faking athletic scandals. he will be sentenced tomorrow in front of the same judge. hard to see what the sentence as parents move closer to trial. among that famous fav, lori loughlin and her husband as they face trial. connell: saga continues.

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♪ melissa: so do you know what your biggest monthly expense is? is it mortgage, food, energy, clothing? what do you think? nope, none of those. average american paid more in taxes in 2018 than they did for food, clothing and health care combined. this is according to a new bureau of labor statistics

report. here now to discuss it is economist ben stein. ben, it is great to have you. i always make this point, that if you looked at your expenses at the end of the year, your biggest liability is the government. do you feel like you're getting your money's worth. what do you think? do you feel like you're getting your money's worth? >> i feel like i'm getting my money's worth because i'm a big hawk on defense. i want to spend as much possible on defense to keep us free from any possibility of soviet or chinese aggression. i'm good with it. i tell you what the real problem is, we're at a point where we're at low tax heaven. taxes will go up. we're running enormous deficit only way taxes can go is up. we're paying 16,750 a year for taxes but it is going up, up, up, because we're running 4 or 500 misdemeanor -- million

dollars deficits. we're running trillion dollar deficits every year. we'll find ourselves paying so much in taxes it will crowd out all other expenses put together. melissa: where does all the money go? you talk about how you like it to be spent on defense but that is only a type any portion. i walk around new york city, we're paying more taxes than we ever had before locally and the streets are a mess. it is the quality of life is not higher? >> well, quality of life is not higher for but let's remember, included in this tax is support for various people that are old or older, disabled, retired. there is some double counting going on here because cost of health care is not counted once but twice. it is counted as private expense, counted as public expense. it should be counted as one or the other not as both. we're spending awful lot to keep society afloat. we are a very, very low-taxed

country compared to other countries, compared to denmark, holland, sweden or germany or france. we are a low-taxed country. whatever problems we think we have now with taxes being too high, they're going up, up. we can't avoid it. and it will be a real problem. melissa: i think of one way we can avoid it because your logic is making me want to jump off a bridge. we can avoid, can't we cut back on spending, spend less rather than raising taxes? >> what would you advice, well it is not -- it is profligate to you or not profligate to people who get the money. it is real serious. melissa: how about waste, fraud abuse? >> they always say that. i'm an old man. i'm probably twice as you, maybe three times as old as you because you look like you're very, very young. melissa: flattery will get you anywhere, ben. >> saying waste fraud, abuse as long as i can remember. it is not waste, fraud abuse. it is supporting people who

otherwise would not be supported. awful lot of people in this country who would be starving, destitute and walkers begging if not for the fact of government support. melissa: i don't know we have a lot of social security disability fraud. we have a lot of open jobs in this country. >> how are you going to fix that? how are you going to fix that? how are you going to fix that fraud? there are a lot of clever people out there doing the fraud. melissa: we should let it go on? >> well, i don't know that we should let it go on but we have would to become a police state to stop it. a awful lot of people spying on each other to stop. >> make it harder to get it in the first place? >> well, people say it is already too hard. it is not really too hard. people can get all kinds of money free from the government. melissa: yeah. >> but i just want to point out however bad we think it is, it is going to get worse. cheer up. everybody. it is going to get worse. melissa: all right.

ben i love but now i'm really depressed. thanks for coming on. >> i'm sorry. connell: he is not really sorry. how about this? a major shift in the college process. leaders in at the university of california considering dropping s.a.t. and act exams as admissions requirement. melissa: what? connell: what could that mean for the future of standardized testing? we're looking for somebody we could ask. no one other than david asman. my interview with ben stein, ben is three times older than melissa i didn't know? >> i love that debate. in fact i would love to know since it is in california, that is where ben stein keeps trying to convince me i have to move to. we should bring him back in to talk about it. the point, china, a lot of other countries competing with the u.s. now are competing on basis of the quality of the education, particularly in science and math that their students have. this is the last thing we need to do, cut back precisely that

thing which the chinese are beating us with. the study they are doing, many, a lot of it is wrote studying maybe they can do communist country rather than democracy like ours. you don't want to cut back on testing we need to keep our competitiveness. connell: i hear you. that is what we need. i was asking what is coming up on the show but ben stein took up all the time. >> talking with dr. siegel, medicare and socialism. stuff ben stein would love to talk about. connell: 5:00 p.m., top of the hour. "bulls & bears." we'll see you then. melissa: mysterious match. silicon valley billionaires are slowly embracing elizabeth warren despite her push to crack down on big tech. what is behind the shift? that's next. ♪

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connell: winning over silicon valley this is really interesting elizabeth warren's call to break up the big tech companies apparently are not stopping some entrepreneurs out there from warming up to the

senator as she surges in the polls, firmly in second place in the democratic race in the latest cold polls we've received but is she staying cold on them, let's bring adam lashinsky and he knows this industry as well as anybody does, fortune's executive editor fox business contributor, so this story is interesting it could be as simple as they think she's going to win or maybe there's more to it but what do you think? >> well i thought it was an outstanding story because they were asking all of the right questions and they didn't get to any true bigshots because no big shots are going to say what they really think especially this early in the game. there's basically two reasons at play. you already said the second one connell it's just good business sense of you think someone is going to win or has a reasonable chance of winning then you support them because you want to be able to tell them when they're in the white house that you supported them. number one the vast majority of these people are democrats. in some fashion or another they have one goal in mind which is

for donald trump not to be president after the 2020 election. connell: we were reading it ourselves and wondered whether there was anything to the idea that some of these silicon valley folks whether it's venture capital people or just entrepreneurs who started smaller company, that they wouldn't necessarily be opposed to breaking up the big titan, maybe they would benefit from it they aren't against some of these ideas i don't know. >> so that's a great point. there is a very strong, if quiet , minority in silicon valley that feels that google and facebook and apple and amazon a little bit in particular are hurting silicon valley as we know it but they've become so dominant and snap up these little companies or worse, copy their products as soon as they start to get some traction, that the true magic of silicon valley isn't happening so i think those people although they are reluctant to say that they support elizabeth warren's plan outloud, support elizabeth warren. connell: but do you think they are right to do it, you know the

business. these policies if they went forward i understand there's an argument you couldn't get some of the stuff passed but if they went forward, it wouldn't help those people in the industry would they? >> no, i think first of all, you know, if you just focus on her plan to break up the mega caps, that would help a lot of these people. it only effects the way she wrote it i think it's over $100 billion in market cap but you can count on one hahn the number of companies that connects and so yeah that gives opportunities to all of these other companies they have nothing to fear from that i think. connell: the really interesting discussion just given all of the attention she's got in the last week or so, and as well as she's been doing in the polls adam always good to see you talk to you again soon. thank you. connell: there you go. melissa: so it is interesting because even people that would hurt them in the short-term after they worked with those companies, they had their dream is to go out and start their own companies so it would give them the opportunity if the bigger ones were broken up. it's just interesting to think about. connell: we'll have plenty of time, over a year to talk about

it. anyway, we said today would be interesting to watch and it was. tomorrow we got the jobs report so the market bounces we'll see what happens tomorrow. melissa: up 122 points that does it for us. bulls & bears starts right now. president trump: medicare is under threat like never before. as long as i'm president no one will lay a hand on your medicare benefits. democrat healthcare proposals would put everyone into a single socialistic government-run program that would end private insurance for over 180 million americans. david: president trump slamming the medicare for all proposals by 2020 democrat hopefuls as he touts his own vision for healthcare, trump telling a crowd of senior citizens in florida that medicare for all is just a fancy name for socialism and no amount of money will ever make that work. hi everyone this is bulls & bears thanks for joining us. i'm david asman joining me is