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mustang inspired electrics suv in november. connell: i think that is cool. anything mustang inspired, preliminary the sho the -- tomoe show is live from worlds series, ili'll be there live. "bulls and bears" now. david: shares of amazon plunging after hours, 6.5% after their earnings fell for first time in two years, what happened. >> they made less money than anticipated in the quarter, and growth driver, the cloud falling short of expectations this quarter, and worse to holiday shopping period, they guided market for less than a anticipated. and the market looking for something closer to 87 billion, this sunk the stock, we're down to about 8% down at one point, 9% lower, amazon, has said we'll
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see more higher costs we're getting to one day delivery, instead of two-day. it was anticipated it would fall but not this much. david: one day delivery costs a lot of money. >> yes, but are people buying. however, i would say i listened to head of consumer in long beach at "wall street journal" tech live event 24 hours ago. 48 -- jeff wil said consumer is strong. you are here for the hour. david: we bring in the panel. >> there are a couple things about amazon, it is a fascinating case study of whether or not the business is being run by a ceo who runs the business the way he thinks he should or running to the way that market and wall street analysts think.
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time and again, associate said i'll spend money to make money, i don't care whether it meets your earnings expectations, i don't really care what you think. >> he does not care. >> that is frustrating to analysts and, wall street and to amazon's benefit, they will spend more money or make money that is the plan. they have such a huge penetration of amazon web services, there cloud business, that microsoft is getting into, google getting into competitive. that will slowdown. david: jonathan it is a buy. >> you hit it. amazon best years as a stock came before they made money. that is when the stock abou dide best. even it is up about 60% over last two years, but the changing of the guard, if you will. consumer orient, high price the, they are out, we've seen that, not just in facebook reaction
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but pelton and - uber and lyft. st i -- it is utility, reits. >> boring. david: bridg bringing in dave, o you think? >> i think it -- we're moving to a different time in life cycle or life of amazon as a company. going from a go-go growth company to you know now just one of the hugest companies in the american economy. it is no you know, the old saying trees don't grow to the sky, when you get bigger like this, as they have, it still growing revenue at an amazing rate up like 24% i believe, but you can't do that forever, so suddenly you are -- and you are watching competitors swarm in
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around businesses they dominat dominated. retail side like walmart are coming after them, they are the unicorn's unicorn, the tip of the horn. they have been probably the most remarkable american company of the past 15 years. but all good things sort of come to an end. >> but dave, dave, dave, let's go back in history. history. last year they did the same thing, a weaker than app pis bes this not just amazon style of being conservative. that makes it easier to jump over. >> there is a smaller sort of thing going on. attention sort of turning hard to their earnings, right? no longer any more just about the top line, now kind of hey, what are the components, how is this working which business line is growing? that very important. but i tell you, it is becoming important because now it is --
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it is moving to a phase as a mature and regular company. does not mean it's not going to grow fast it is growing faster than any other company of its size. but it does mean that those amazing we've never seen this before days are probably behind it. >> this is gary smith. i'm going to take opposite side and i want you to comment. i don't think that amazon is acting as a mature company, i think it a company that actually reinvents itself. it reinvented itself years ago as a web service company. and it never did that, they are reinventing themselves by building a mota, round their distribution with one day delivery, almost no no one wile able to match, and a couple years ago getting into grocery. i would not be surprised if they make inroads on health care and
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financial services, i think they keepy inventing itself, that is my take, your opinion. david: theropinion? >> well are elements of truth to what they are saying, very true, you have to admire bezos problem the most innovateish/aggressive company ceo in the world, but i don't believe that any company can dominate every sector of the economy. like that does not make sense, specialization counts? it is either specialinizing a or side. they go after one day delivery, i believe he believes that is imperative he has to have to compete against brick and mortar. this is the last barrier, if i can get it tomorrow, then why would i get out of the house? and i do believe that they are incredibly innovative, that innovation, just like this one
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day delivery thing, that innovation comes at a higher and higher cost in pursuit of lower and lower margins,. >> regulations. david: because congress seems to be in a pro-regulation mode right now, none of us may like it but, the fact that it is happening right now, what is like like to face amazon as a regulatory obstacle in coming year or so? >> well, i think one thing, probably makes it harder and sort of raises suspicions when they go after another you know should they decide to be the giant in health care. they made a health care accusation yesterday. and you could imagine that it gets harder and harder and raises more and more eyebrows when they move to other major verticals, one on businessization -- observation, if you imagine someone within very hard at them, said, we're going to break you up.
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i believe if you look back at the history of companies that have come under heavy antitrust scrutiny, it not necessarily a teterrible thing for the investors. >> it was with microsoft. you remember microsoft. they -- >> now, no, no. >> i have addressed this before. check the microsoft stock chart, since that -- that first happened it was 12 years ago. so check your microsoft values, and side sides and market caps y versus 12 years ago. david: switching to twitter, closing down 21%, it is in trouble, blaming technical glitches in advertising software. a big hit in revenues, dave? >> i may -- my sense is that they had strong user growth, it is increas increasingly its ope,
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all of us on this panel and you david are avid users, but it is not a mainstream service, it drives a huge amount of our news coverage but not absorbinged to the blood stream of america in the same way that facebook is. it never going to. >> facebook reporting next week. but for twitter, they raise -- hiked up daily active users to 145 million each day. probably us and news world and president trump. i can't believe that you would have a malfunction in your software you can't make more money on each user you get. >> particularly. david: have you one guy using twitter so much, charging the news cycle for the world. but not helping the company right now, dave, great to see you thank you, appreciate it.
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this is one of several properties destroyed in the fire. at last report fire here, kinkaid fire had not grown bigger. this is in the heart of wine country. after delays this morning caused by smoke, and wind, a massive arkansas taarkansas -- air attar way. we don't know what caused this fire this is what the pg&e was hoping to prevent by shutting off power for a second time this month, force blackouts began yesterday, and reached out to foothills in the bay area. including parts of sonoma county.
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this fire has scorched 15 square miles, the winds are dying down, some red flag warnings have been lifted, pg&e hopes to restore power to customers within 48 hours. all this comes as another stronger wind event looms in the forecast for this weekend, with it a chance of another planned outage, if it happens, it is expected, it would be third time this month, pg&e has pulled plug iin the name of wildfire prevention. david: wow, the most beautiful actrage in the country, a shame to see that go, claudia thank you. >> according to "wall street journal." californicalifornia's investor n utility pg&e skimped on safety upgrade while pumping into electric.
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>> those scenes are distressing. safety always has to be number onpriority. pg&e every year, for years had shuttled about 2 billion to green energy programs, reusable fuel, biofuel, the stuff that is mandated from sacramento, from government. this is a private company but public regulation that prompted years and years was not failing to maintain to update to keep the safety standards in place this government's hands all over it. >> i'm glad you took the opportunity to bash against investment in green energy. of that not the subject of the conversation. >> no -- >> it is. >> 2 billion a year they have been shuttling to green energy, maybe should safety so people and businesses would not have to have power turned off. >> your point most states in united states, have a odd and
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uncomfortable hybrid arrangement with their utility. and in most states california being a more egregious example. there has been massive under investment in upgrading infrastructure grid because this arrangement does not allow for full payment of capital spending or full payment of dividend. or salaries, this is a problem of hybrid nature of this. david: but, gary, the point is, this particular company, one of these progressive stake holder companies, they filled board with activists who demand this kind of spending that jonathan was talking about two billion a year, instead of just upgrading the equipment, of it the equipment failure that lead to a lot of the fires. >> precisely. i think as zach used wor egregis
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he is right, california is one of the most egregious examples having their finger in the government and private, when you come under the more, more control of the government, government mandates what it wants from that utility. instead of pulling serving customer base it has, indise ind doing the zany -- some of these green energy things are up there with solyndra, biggest money pits, you get these fires, part by the way is they mismanaged their whole fire prevention service,a. allowing so much ground cover that is another tree hugger problem in california.
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>> analyst believe that pg&e shutting down their power because they want to flex their muscles over the government. so will that pressure government to forgive some of the claims on the fires. david: ironically for all green projects, now californians go go out en masse to buy the dirty generatgenerators that spew alle smoke. >> and -- -- the manufactures manufacturemanufacturer ofthes e generators up year-to-date. david: top student loan official appointed by education secretary betsy devos making big waves, he abruptly announces his
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david: a top student loan officially reportedly resigning after calling it fundamentally broken. wayne johnson there in yellow tie was appointed by education secretary devos two years ago, she is planning a senate run in georgia and will important to cancel much of the nation's student debt. johpropose debt forgive us to 50,000 per borrower, he proposes to pay for it with a 1% tax on corporate earnings or corporate revenue, not clear which. what do you think?
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>> i think this say horrible idea. you know that the final bill for this will fall to the taxpayers, because the taxpayers are those invested in the government enterprises given to the student loans ironic most taxpayers pick up biggest portion are least amount of benefit are those who probably didn't go to college. the more av blu av a affluent tt the student loans that allow them to go to college. if private market was still invested it would be more efficient, it would be like small businesses allowed to get any loan for the government, whether they succeed or fail. government has no investment in students doing well, they come out with idiotic majors, i can not get jobs they cannot payback loans, this is self perpetuating
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cycle. >> this is more cam complicated. the worst is the for profit colleges, with a degree they would never finish. they undermined would address those issues, while leaving a lot of the more legitimate privacy college student loan system in place. if you do 4 year degree, you -- that is a reasonable amount of money. not if you do a ar for profit, t was legitimate, this is a little bit of a chicken coming home to roost. >> people are coming out of college with tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt, that cannot be paid off, a lot of studies show the entry level jobs don't support a salary that
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could payoff the debt, but real issue, why is student loan such a problem? they -- federal student loans did not exist until 1978, since they became offered by government, to gary's point, you get subsidies, malinvestment, higher cost, less accountability, a other networkk fed study shows that every subsidy raised tuition at colleges by 58. >> that half of his plan to get the government out of this student loan business, that is a good part. but forgiving a trillion dollars in debt, and you know -- >> we have done a number. david: there is no way a 1% corporate tax on either revenue or earnings will pay for this. a trillion is a lot of money. facebook getting hit from all sides, ceo zuckerberg taking a beating on capitol hill. now 47 state attorneys general
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launched an investigation to company. arkansas attorney general leslie rutlidge among them, she is joining us next. >> facebook has acquired too much power. it has become too big. we should seriously consider breaking it up. heading into retirement you want to follow your passions rather than worry about how to pay for long-term care. brighthouse smartcare℠ is a hybrid life insurance and long-term care product. it protects your family while providing long-term care coverage, should you need it. so you can explore all the amazing things ahead. talk to your advisor about brighthouse smartcare. brighthouse financial. build for what's ahead℠
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policy that gives politicians a license to lie. >> you proven we cannot trust you with our e-mails, with our phone numbers, so why should we trust you with our hard earned money. >> a pretty simple yes or no. >> facebook has acquired too much power. it has become too big. and we should seriously consider bringinbreakingit up. david: other than that, they love facebook, facebook under fire in beltway, ceo zuckerberg grilled for hours on capitol hill today. general rutlidge there are 2.4 billion monthly active facebook users, nobody forces them to use the product, from what are you protecting them?
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>> it is important for americans to understand the 47 state investigation is just that an investigation, not a lawsuit, we want to make sure we're protecting people of our states. david: from what? about fro>> from facebook, theye largest most personal data that all of us have, they track every thing that we, to it may not be free, and no one forces people to use it, does not mean it does not come at a cost. >> thank you. >> people share things on facebook all of the time, you shared pictures from your family, to david a points, people share things on facebook, pictures, voluntarily, what role does government have in getting involved in people sharing their private information if they want to? why is the government involved. >> because, we're involved to ensure that arkansas and
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americans rights are protects. make sure they private data we to share, just because we put a picture of my beautiful daughter on the farm with her dad, on facebook does not mean i want all of the personal data, everything that i search and look at or who i am friends with, i want shared and sold as a commodity, we're opening this investigation, this is 47 states, to protect the consumer, too often we hear that democrats and republicans can't get along, that is not true, we get along we just want to make sure that -- >> you hate facebook. >> i did not say -- we all hate facebook, that is unfair. we're all users of facebook, as you noted. and encourage tea people to loot my facebook page, we use it all of the time, but we want to make sure people's personal data is secure, and antitrust violations are not occurring. >> attorney general, let me ask,
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can't be mus just facebook what about google, they have a ton of data and amazon and the rest, is this just focused on facebook. >> this investigation is focus on facebook, we have open investigation a few months back with google, for possible antitrust violations, we are making certain that again that americans consumer data is being protected at the same time we ensure that american market place is open to everyone. >> you say, people data is being protect, europeans have introduces a data protection system every time you go on the site you permission the company to use data or acknowledge they might or say they can't, do you think this would be a framework you could head toward at the end of the investigation people have more control?
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>> this is just the initial stage, we'll go where the facts lead us. as attorneys general and certainly in arkansas, i encourage consumers to go through their own privacy settingsic make certain what they agree, to too often people just click yes, make sure to take that extra time, if you put up personal information take that time to see what you are handing over rights for a company to use. or a person to use. >> attorney general, gary smith again than thank you, it has ben pointed out this facebook is voluntary, you could have a number of privacy settings, you can hide your information, but if the attorneys general will go after companies like facebook, then why not after other companies where you share your private information like match.com, and dating sites, example, seems to me like you
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are kind of -- you are kind of targeting facebook because they are big. but you are excluding everyone else where it is volunteered to share your information. >> i am smiling, we do go after other companies. we do have new sites that people are looking. young people tell me that match.com is where they are looking for dates. david: general -- >> not metro phones either. david: a tough crowd, you did well, thank you. >> thank you. david: well, as reports surface that democrat leaders are not satisfied with current crop of candidatessis. hillary's former aide said we could see another run by the former secretary. >> she would believe she would be a better president, there is nothing she has seen in last 3 1/2 years that makes her think
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current leaders. cnn poll 43% of potential democrat croater voters would be enthusiastic if joe biden were nominee. are democrats going to need a different face to fire up their base? >> i don't know. maybe they need a combination of what they have out there. maybe they need a michelle obama. but it is not hillary clinton. objectively, she was a terrible candidate. she should have won this on obama's coattails in a landslide, but she lost, for people to start bringing her up -- her name up again, you have to say, okay what has changed? is she now better candidate? no, she come across, maybe i am subjective, she is bitter, she keeps bringing unrus up russia.
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she blames everyone but her own self, they are struggling. >> this news question and i think the same as pretrial balloon about whether or not she has a viable chance. i don't think this is a serious introducttion. whether they would respond to the candidate when one emerges, that is a open question. it does not look particularly good now, right now it is a divided field with a lot of problems within it. i don't know how you read into this 6 months out. david: gary, i want to correct one thing, by all polls democrat will beat donald trump right now, we're a year away: but go ahead. >> i have been corrected. >> hillary, seems that both left and the right hate her these day be nothing again hillary, she is just old news this is party that
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is trying see what what is forward. and i have to tell you, it might be the surprise, i think it might be mayor pete. you know some on-line betting future market, mayor pete is polling higher than bernie sanders. and he -- a buzzword for progressive. he ask likeable, he is gay, he is fresh, he has been in the service, he fits a lot of those intersectiononnality. >> we call it lgbt these days, i would say look at new hampshire, right now michelle obama leading polls, are they not calling for another candidate to step on stage beside the 12 that are debating in 20 within race? i feel like, i think wall street has a right, moody's said if economy continues as it is, we have an easy reelection for president trump. 75% on wall street expects a 6 term. david:
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>> this no easy reelection for donald trump no election for a democrat, until it coalesces more. we learn more about prime impea. i would like to record no one knows what is go oor what will go on there is way too much poll, and consititution and insta polling this decides to a desire to have a conclusive statement of a future outcome that are unknown. >> but we will have wild card, judge judy endorsed michael bloomberg, he is not in the race. this is going to be a horse race, a tight race even as we move closer for the -- the -- >> judge jude sne judy. >> blumberg is an interesting care. >> all right. before we head to break.
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"evening edit," emack is back. >> judge judy in there. we have coming up next big urban mecca, now moving to be a sanctuary city. and we have the name tonight of the angel mom who will join us, talk about fellow angel mom a regular on our show who lost a family member to a criminal illegal alien. and we'll talk about her withering take down of pro sanctuary politicians at a hearing in dc, saying, you are victimize the americans, you swore an ocean of offic oath ofo protect. you will never understand the depth of pain you created. david: liz macdonald thank you. >> as homeless crisis grows in austin, texas, republicans state leaders blame the de democrat
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we talk about incentives, if you take away the disincentives, keeping osleeping on the streetd you have more. >> well, you know we have probably 2 reasons why homelessness is more visible in the city, first is, that remain tainted our laws to protect against public safety risks, people create those should be ticketed and arrested. or public health hazards they should be ticketed or arrested, impede or blocking or endangering or aggressively confronting, we have maintained those law. we said for people not do doing those things, our city number of homeless folk is small, we should put them in housing. only way to deal with challenge, we with more people now removed out of hidden places they are under overpasses, because it is
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safer for them to be, away for us to make sure they get health attention, in ways they could not get before, able to actually move people toward home in ways we could not before. we didn't create any more people experiencing hopelessness, but it is a challenge that is more visible now. >> mayor, let me ask you, if you feel that austin's suffering from success that san francisco has, with more technology jobs and companies moving to austin, including apple. investing a lot of money in city for another campus, and property prices and salaries have gone up because of the tech boom, how do you control that if that the case property prices are so expensive that people condition -- can't afford to live there. >> you are right. i know is that we have 6 times fewer people experiencing hopelessness than san francisco.
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i want to make sure our city does not get to san francisco or l.a. or portland or seattle. and the way we do that, we deal with our challenge while it still relatively small. what we know is that we're 90% successful, if we can get them to housing som somewhere, 90% oe time they are in that housing two years later, our challenge is small we'll try to end it. >> mayor, jonathan hoenig, you mentioned rising cost of housing, austin has a history of being nimbyish, not in my backyard, back to early 80s, with duplexes were pr prohibited and 2000s against mc mansions and et cetera. have you limited supply, is are
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not some of those restrictions against development is part of the reason. >> it is something really important, it is a contributing factor, that is why in the city right now we ar -- redoing our d development corrode, the relationship between supply and demand and price, is real even in austin. we're trying to now create greater density, opportunity, supply in our city, because of the impact on price. david: you know new york had a big problem problem in 1980s, mayor guliani did a lot to get rid it, it was cleaner, safer and more prosperous, if you are looking for a model mayor, not to l.a. but what guliani did in new york. >> the question i asked the folks in l.a. was, i have no idea what you do if you are leader in l.a. or san francisco or seattle today, the challenge
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is so great. austin is not there, i asked the cities what do you wish you had done years ago that does not do. and i think that is the lesson to learn. david: best of luck to you, it is for all your problem, still a managivaive maggivmagnificent cities in allf america. >>bly my brother lives there. david: thank you. >> survey asking americans how they rate their jobs and quality of life at work, coming up next. ♪ i get it all the time. "have you lost weight?" of course i have- ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... ...and choose any car in the aisle.
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shows less than half u.s. workers say they are in good jobs 60% describing them mediocre at best. >> is pay, sense of security purpose, gary your least favorite job? >> 1976 i was a teamster in a cardboard box factory, i just gotten contact lenses back then they were made of wood, cardboard dust and contact lenses, they do not mix. as a teamster i made a heck of a lot of money. >> in early 90s, i worked at a bakery, fresh bread and pastry, wages were okay, boss of fine but i hated it it is, atos at,.
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>> i worked at guy that unloaded boxes of frozen flowers from the teamster truck to the flower shop from 12 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. during the week in college. it was a weird experience, it paid in cash. there was a movie. david: jimmy hoffa would be happy. >> two hours but worst job i had telemarketing, i was not made for it. >> what about you? >> a crappy job, i was cleaning
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seseptic tanks for a while, it s a summer job. it made us better people, if you don't like your job, move on, we have a good job marit for "bullu next time. elizabeth: vice president pence, playing bad cop in chinese, white house looks for a historic trade deal, possibly before christmastime. can he do it, or is this a ceasefire before an economic war that president trump promised high will win. we have the economic weapon that president has yet to deploy in this fight. >> to the democrats consumed by impeachment, is this why? the strong trump economy, americans see jobs and wages rise by more than so-called crumbs that nancy pelosi once ridiculed,
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