possibilitys does not come to pass? [closing bell rings] >> definitely. we're expecting them to do well in 2020. liz: erin gibbs, a good friend of the "claman countdown." thank you very much. we're calling it a record for the nasdaq. s&p might be too close to call on this one. connell, melissa. it is yours. melissa: stocks mixed at the close as investors digest weak earnings, new doubts about a u.s.-china trade deal. all three major averages did hit all-time highs earlier in the session. but they didn't end that way, the dow ending down, looks like triple digits. 102 points. i'm melissa francis. neil: connell mcshane, welcome to "after the bell." individual companies to watch in the dow. s&p meantime down two. looks like it will not get a record. any gain for the s&p would have been a record, would have matched its longest stretch in almost two years. melissa: so close. neil: but the nasdaq. nasdaq, focus there, that is a record high up by 21 points. third straight record, 19th of the year for the nasdaq.

all the tech stocks. more on big market movers coming up. first, here is what is new at this hour. president trump striking back. he is slamming democratic leaders. he says they're holding up trade progress during day three of the public impeachment hearings that have been going on on capitol hill. today's second round of witnesses are giving their opening statements as we speak. we'll bring you any at all breaking headlines from there. protests paralyzing hong kong as a tense standoff between demonstrators and police is now about to enter its fourth day. a new round of blackouts expanding in california. when hundreds of thousands are set to lose power. melissa: we have fox business team coverage. gerri willis on the floor of the new york stock exchange. lawrence edwards and blake burman at the white house. edward, start with you. reporter: weighing on the market, business information coming out of a roundtable in

china. it included u.s. business leaders. current and former chinese officials as well as the american chamber of commerce. information out of the roundtable according to the global times that china preferred in a trade deal to have simultaneous roll back of tariffs to have a trade deal and the u.s. has not had a positive response related to that. u.s. business leaders in the roundtable told the folks there that the u.s. has not seen a reasonable benefit from a trade relationship with china as it stands now. president donald trump says he wants to fix that trade relationship going forward. so far no phase one deal on paper here in the united states. the president trying to get that deal down. the administration hoped to have it finished by last weekend. president trump addressed this during his cabinet meeting. listen. >> china is going to have to make a deal i like, if they don't that's it, okay? i'm very happy with china right now. they're paying us billions and billions, we'll be over $100 billion in the

not-too-distant future. china never gave us 10 cents. if we don't make a deal with china, i will raise tariffs even higher. reporter: raise even higher. december 15th expected 15% tariffs will be added basically to the rest of what china imports unless possibly we have a phase one trade deal. chinese trade sources are telling us, their number one goal throughout the whole process is to remove tariffs off chinese imports into the united states. those sources are saying that the u.s. offered to remove some tariffs but keep the majority in place until certain milestones are met as the chinese follow through with this trade deal. back to you, melissa. melissa: edward, thank you. neil: the markets now. we know the dow was down 100. the nasdaq is the headline, closing at a record high yet again today. in fact this is the 114th record for the nasdaq since president trump took office. let's go to gerri willis for more on today's markets. gerri. >> continue the theme on the nasdaq. this is the third straight record for the nasdaq, the

19th record close in 2019. this index is on fire. looks like we were setting up for a trifecta of all three major indexes. only nasdaq made the grade. apple shares higher intraday. new high on strong iphone 11 sales. didn't finish that way. tight supplies for some models. the valuation hit 1.2 intraday today. home depot disappoint on earnings. even though they beat eps estimates by a penny a share, pardon me, they cut the 2019 forecast. they had a revenue miss. same-store sales miss. coast really struggling here down 20% after miss on earnings revenue -- kohl's. cutting the 2019 outlook. doesn't get worse than that on the eps result. when they mentioned weather had hurting results, i thought, i don't know about that. weather is one of the things companies blame.

retail names, consumer discretionary sector lower included macy's, nordstrom's. macy's down 11%. nord down 6% of the retail second tore suffering. back to you guys. neil: home depot hurting the dow. melissa: liz peek, foxnews.com columnist. she is also a fox news contributor. liz, you know, i mean i feel like these are two very different stories. if you look at kohl's, yes it's a major retailer, you could take it, this is where retail is going, but you know, management has not been doing a great job. everybody has been critical of them. the company is struggling. is it their fault or is it indicative what is going on in the larger economy? >> i think it is indicative what is going on that branch of retail. department stores, are really the people or organizations having the toughest time dealing online taking an enormous part of their market. they're scrambling as kohl's has

been doing to come up with new models, new approaches. they did a deal with amazon amazon shoppers can bring things back to kohl's for returns, hoping to drive traffic to the stores. but look, the department store world is just a very tough world right now. you're going to have quarters like this where they fall short. partly they're spending a whole heck of a lot of money to try out new brands. they're producing some of their own brands, hooking up with designers to bring in new names for the stores. i just think it's a very, very tough slog. that's why all their competitors also traded down. i don't think it means much. by the way you're totally right, home depot is idiosyncratic story. retail generally looks great. october numbers were a big bounce from september. here is an interesting statistic. 82% of the holiday season sales correlate very well with the s&p. people get richer,.

neil: there were tough words coming out of the white house for nancy pelosi. president trump accusing the speaker of the house delaying a vote on the usmca, the trade deal in an effort to secure votes for impeachment. so we have usmca versus impeachment. both happening today. different sides of washington, blake burman live at the white house to bring us up to speed on all of this. blake. reporter: connell president trump drew a direct line between the impeachment hearings and the usmca. he saved his harshest criticisms today for nancy pelosi during a cabinet meeting earlier today when the president was talking about usmca and pelosi he described the house speaker as quote, grossly incompetent. with it the administration is launching a new claim saying that pelosi is engaging in a quote, quid pro quo. the vice president's chief of staff marc short says that pelosi is trying to dank fell -- dangle a usmca vote in exchange

impeachment vote. 31 democrats represent districts that the president won in 2016. listen here. >> there are no substantial changes made in usmca since it was sent to congress, blake. we're sitting here month later with no progress. you can't help but wonder if there is not a quid pro quo or focus group, basically a bribe, to say we hold this out over here, make sure my members in moderate trump districts vote with me on impeachment so i will give them this vote? reporter: pelosi has spoken favorly about the usmca in recent days and met with freshmen democrats. the top democrat on the house ways and means committee said a deal could very well be in sight. >> we have all the deal in sight, if i can use that metaphor. the trade rep is amenable to the suggestions we made. the differences are at this

moment are pretty narrow. reporter: there is all out push regarding the usmca. the president, members of his top administration doing interviews, coast to coast today, specifically on this issue. the white house is hoping that the usmca will get to the house floor for a vote by year's end. neil: by year-end. blake burman on the authority lawn. critsystem of democrats, say all you care about is impeachment, impeachment. get it done, shows she cares about getting things done? incentive there? >> can she walk and chew gum at the same time. democrats what have they done or produced for the american people since they took over the house? i think tremendous amount of pressure there. usmca is real deliverable. the idea she is trying to barter getting that vote for usmca for

an impeachment vote i find absolutely horrifying. i don't know if that is true or not. connell: makes sense from her point of view. >> maybe but it is pretty disgraceful, right? those, those newly, i think it is really 22 newly-elected democrats in trump districtses that are perhaps queasy about voting for impeachment, this is the way, holding up something that will create jobs, help farmers, do the job you're supposed to be doing in regard for getting those impeachment votes i think that is a disgrace. connell: probably argue should have had it done already. >> yeah. connell: maybe by the end of the year. good to see you as always. >> thank you. melissa: two key witnesses in the democrat impeachment probe facing tough questions on president trump's phone call with ukraine. we're live on capitol hill where all this stands now. >> california in the dark. hundreds of thousands of resident bracing for more blackouts as the state's largest

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neil: double feature of sorts on capitol hill. national security council firm tim morrison and ukraine special envoy kurt volcker are testifying right now. third day of public impeachment hearings. this comes after testimony earlier in the day from lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, a expert on ukraine and jennifer williams, a foreign policy aide working in vice president mike pence's office. a lot to recap today but what stood out to you? reporter: this is the matinee

session. they started about 3:2. we think this over all hearing will go to 7:45, 8:00 in the east later tonight. tim morrison is testifying along with kurt stroller side by side. it is important to note tim morrison was, is one of three of the four witnesses who testified today who were on the telephone call between president trump and president zelensky on the 25th of july. i will read you a little bit of a statement here from tim morrison during his opening statement. i feared at the time of the call on july 25th how its disclosure would play in washington's political climate. my fears have been realized. probably the chippiest moment in this hearing happened over the whistleblower. listen to the exchange between adam schiff and top republican devin nunez. >> what agency was this individual from? >> if i could interject here, we don't want to use these proceedings --

>> it is our time. >> but we need to protect the whistleblower. please stop. i want to make sure that there is no effort to out the whistleblower through these proceedings. reporter: also during lieutenant colonel vindman's testimony he emmy greated from the former soviet union with his father. he made a point during the hearing you have to speak truth to power and have the courage to do so. listen. >> i knew i was assuming a lot of risk. congressman, this is america this is the country i have served and defended. that all my brothers have served and here right matters. >> thank you, sir. yield back. [applause] reporter: kurt volcker is delivering his opening statement right now. he says, quote, i now understand that others saw investigating

burisma as investigating the bidens. i saw them as separate. the former as unremarkable. the latter as being unacceptable. back to you. connell: chad, thank you, another big day tomorrow. melissa: here is james freeman from "the wall street journal." he is also a fox news contributor, host of "fox nation"'s deep dive. >> yes. melissa: james, you were watching that report with us beforehand and you her chad describe that as the chippiest moment from today. i was trying to watch this. i poured a giant bucket of ice water on my head to try to stay awake. i don't know, is this moving the needle? is anyone getting anything out of this? >> i don't think this is enhancing the cause of impeachment. we're hearing, no one with any specific crime to report. we are hearing a number of people had differences with the trump policies or the manner in which he conducted foreign policy but, i think it is really, it is really striking

how this sort of recurring theme of officials who were not elected setting out what they thought as the right policy, the consensus policy being upset with the president for not doing it in some cases the way they would like. i'm wondering where were all these people when the obama administration was offering a lot less support to ukraine? when russia was following up pieces of ukraine? we didn't hear about whistleblowers, people running to share to speak truth to power so much. so i wonder, what has changed? melissa: i don't know, one of the big moments today was when they said vice president mike pence went to canada to negotiate usmca instead of attending the, you know, when the celebration after the new president won in ukraine. they thought that was unbelievable because here he was supposed to be there and instead they, you know, sent the energy

secretary and sent pence to do usmca. isn't usmca maybe more important to a lot of americans than ukraine? >> i think it is highly important. the other context people should know is that because of the circumstances in ukraine, they ended up scheduling the inauguration on fairly short notice. as a result, only one u.s. elected official was there. that was senator ron johnson. and i encourage all of your viewers to read the letter that he has sent to the house regarding all of his communication with the president, everything he knows, i think arguably the most dialed in to ukraine among lawmakers in the house or senate. he tells a very different story than you're getting from adam schiff. melissa: what do you think is the net-net result of all of this over time? because one interesting thing i have noticed from people who don't like the president the or aren't that engaged or are, you know, kind of in the middle or busy, they say, well he is getting impeached. so he will not get reelected. it will be the other guy whoever

that ends up being, they tune out? i wonder if it backfires on democrats in that sense and poem don't like the president, aren't vehement, tune out saying he is going away anyway? >> so far the evidence is having zero impact. if you look at the president's approval ratings which are all that good, they have not changed at all since mid-september when we first saw news reports of the whistleblower and, alleged problems with his his conduct of foreign policy with ukraine. so based on approval ratings, the average across the polls, this has had no impact at all. melissa: james, thank you. >> thanks. connell: we have "fox business alert" just coming in. two acquisitions breaking here after the bell. first one the federal reserve approved the proposed merger between north carolina based bb&t and atlanta based sunbanks.

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melissa: once booming financial hub now descending in chaos. police locked in a tense

standoff with protesters at hong kong university. fox news's jonathan hunt is on the ground with the latest. jonathan? reporter: having worked our way through and around police lines on tuesday, we spent much of the day on the campus of hong kong polytechnic university and the destruction we witnessed there was truly shocking. take a look. we're standing right now in the heart of the university campus and all around us are the signs of was a very intense standoff, the signs of what was a very violent battle, the barricades, built by the students to try to hold back the hong kong riot police when they came in here over the weekend and the evidence of the fires that were set by those students and the intensity of the flames. they believed that they could hold on for some time but eventually, water began to run out. good began to run out.

the students for the most part realized that their gesture was becoming increasingly foot tile. today, they have been giving up in large numbers, but they are not giving up the bigger battle for democracy. 24 hours ago, around 100 students remained on the campus. but throughout tuesday, we saw them come out. sometimes alone. times in pairs, sometimes in groups. always arrested the second they set foot off the campus. they were taken away by the hong kong police force. they face up to 10 years in prison if convicted on charges of rioting. back to you guys. melissa: jonathan, thank you. connell: we're joined by john hannah, former national security advisor to vice president dick cheney and now with.

what is the role of the united states understanding there is complexities with u.s. china trade discussions and the like but it has been going on for month now, what we've seen especially the last two weekends is there now a role for the united states to play, if so, what is it in hong kong? >> yeah. hi, connell. listen there is not a whole lot the u.s. can do here. although the trade negotiations are clearly crucial. they're very crucial to china, which has been experiencing real economic difficulties as a result of this conflict with the united states. i think they badly need that deal, and the prospect that it could be killed by a massive military intervention to put down these protests in hong kong, i think might be one of the few things that is really staying china's hand here. so i think it is important that the united states continue to tell the chinese leadership,

whether we like it or not, a massive crackdown to see tianamen 2.0 occur in the streets after westernized city like hong kong, that that is going to make any kind of forward movement in the u.s.-china relationship very, very difficult. connell: meantime as you know what we see, since we don't have that crackdown, of course as you point out nobody is rooting for a terrible crackdown like that, we have the protests movement and the back and forth with the authorities dragging on hong kong's economy. it has gone into into recession during that time period f they are not cracking down as brutally as they have, or making it end, how will it end? what will happen? >> it is very hard to know how this ends. it looks like a war of attrition. the battle for polytechnic university looks like it is coming to a close. the only question how violent will be it for the poor,

remaining holdouts on the campus. the battle for hong kong, the larger battle for the future of hong kong is going to go on but right now it is very hard to see where any political resolution of this would come from because the chinese communist party seems absolutely steadfast in not recognizing any of the legitimacy of the protesters demands and protesters themselves, looking increasingly radicalized and will settle for nothing less than universal suffrage and taking control of hong kong's political future into their own hands. connell: that last point we haven't talked much about that. everybody is focused on the protest movement and the fight for freedom and there is a lot of support for that in the united states but the protesters did fairly score a large victory having the extradition bill taken off the table they pushed so hard and now there is question with would satisfy them? do you have a ends is of what

their actual goal is right now? >> well, i don't know for sure, connell but i do think this question, at the end of the day, that there has been so much repression, they feel that very few of their political demands have been addressed by the chinese communist party. they feel they just cannot trust china anymore. therefore, this ultimate question of universal suffrage for the people of hong kong to elect their own leaders, to have control of their own political future is very much in play. but that becomes a very fundamental challenge to the legitimacy and authority of the chinese communist party. and the whole question of one nation, two systems. connell: right. >> is that still viable at all. and do the people of hong kong believe it is viable? i think they don't. therefore we're at a real standoff here, how it gets resolved is really the 64,000-dollar question. connell: really been spiraling

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checks inside the special housing unit where jeffrey epstein was, in reality they were not. as a result of the false logs, jeffrey epstein was not checked on once for eight hours. no one checked on epstein between 10:30 p.m. and 6:30 a.m. when epstein was found dead on thinks cell. the two guards appeared to sleep during the two hours, searching the internet and walking around the common area. epstein's cell was 15 feet from the guard's desk. as the federal bureau of prisons faced a grilling about epstein's death this morning. >> this incident was a black eye on the entire bureau of prisons. >> we have two prison guards have just been indicted for literally falling asleep on the job and then lying about it. >> we have some bad staff. we want rid of those bad staff who don't do their job. we want them gone one way or another, either by prosecution or by termination.

reporter: director sawyer confirmed the fbi is still investigating any criminal components of all of this. she said she has seen no evidence that this was anything other than a suicide. connell, prosecutors revealed today, none of the surveillance cameras inside the fcc that anyone went into epstein's cell the night he died. connell: brian, thank you. melissa: marsha blackburn, a member of senate judiciary committee who participated in today's hearing with the bureau of prisons director. thank you for joining us. >> sure. melissa: what did you make of this? what did you learn today and what are the lessons? >> what the lessons are specifically what i asked the director about today. because it is just so hard to imagine that you had cameras off, guards asleep, no one else in the cell and jeffrey epstein is dead. you have victims that will never

see justice. one of the things that i asked her specifically about was what is being done to make certain that staff understands that there are protocols, that they are to follow these protocols? that there is a process an review that has to be taken every single step of the way? melissa: yeah. >> i also i asked her about the recruiting staff and, how they deal with staff they're bringing in to augment existing staff when there are shortages? and one of the things we have to keep in mind, melissa, is, that director sawyer was there. she retired after the epstein situation. they brought her back to the bureau of prisons to straighten out some of this. so we're going to continue to monitor this, to be sure there are protocols, they're followed. melissa: i guess my question is, do you buy it? i mean when you look at what happened, we have just two low

level people who are now being charged but if you look at the history, i mean only one prior suicide and three attempted suicides in the past 40 years at this facility. doesn't seem like, when you talk to other lawyers who have been there, they said everyone is very alert. you can't make a move without somebody coming down on you or seeing it. this isn't the type of place that would randomly have two people you know, fall asleep on the job? >> well, that is something that we asked about but she is not at liberty to discuss. she is not a part of the investigation. she was not there. they brought her in to clean up the situation, to get things back on the right track. but you're exactly right. when you look at the convergence of events, how could this possibly have happened when there had not been that previous record? then how do you make certain

this never happens again? we discussed high value criminals that are being held. melissa: yeah. >> their importance to prosecution and to coconspirators, getting that testimony from them. how important that is in order for victims to have their day in court and to receive justice? melissa: yeah. no, this is where some of the biggest drug offenders and terrorists have been held. >> that's right. melissa: amazing to me. senator blackburn, thank you for coming on. >> good to be with you, thank you. melissa: we'll shift gears, talk about bundling up for the streaming battle. connell: hbo revealing long-term strategy for getting viewers. that is up next.

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connell: predicting it will be a winning move, hbo max hoping to create a new version of classic tv bundle for cord-cutters, by including movies, tv shows from other media companies in addition to the content it creates and licenses on its own of the ceo of parent company warner media said this, john stanke. here to talk about this, gary kaltbaum, kaltbaum capital contributor. we talked about the hbo plus and

others getting. >> the streaming game, what do you think about this as a business strategy. >> they will try to get content from everybody else. good luck. they have their own proprietary stuff remains to be scene, whether they will sell it away. just another streaming service. i don't know if there are enough eyes out there. hbo, hbo go, hbo now. hbo max. good luck trying to differentiate. connell: they have "friends," south park, couple other interesting things. while you're here we have couple other interesting topics. hbo max a couple months away. disney plus, already out there. it is making quite a splash, especially online, the internet, melissa, apparently, fall in love with something called, you see it on the screen with melissa and myself. baby yoda. melissa: how could you not love baby yoda? connell: i don't know enough about it. melissa: you're looking at it.

connell: from "the mandalorian." melissa: look at baby yoda! >> when "star wars" first came out, all of us didn't care about luke skywalker, or presence -- princess leia. now we cared about yoda the jedi master. now he is only 50 years old. they are going great guns. what disney does, they brand them real well. you will see a lot of baby yoda stuff. melissa: i'm excited about that. connell: on buzz for the disney plus. baby yoda at only 50 years old. makes sense. this is perfect for you, gary a guy files a class-action lawsuit ginsburger king. that they filed the lawsuit that the meatlessburger is grilled on the same grill as meat. that the whopper should be made

in open kitchen environment. that they have on the website, alternative preparation is available if you ask for it. you say what? >> the hour record of it all, that is what i say. only thing i said to myself, why do you have to sue? call up mr.ing king of burger king fame, here is the problem. we are plant eaters, we don't want to mix and match. i don't even know what to say about this. hopefully it gets thrown out. you never know these days. everybody is a problem, everybody is a victim and everybody has a lawsuit. connell: which only asked you about it. you're never at a loss for words. maybe this time he will be. thanks as always, gary. >> yeah. melissa: bill de blasio has a new bone to pick with michael bloomberg, surprise, surprise. the new york city mayor calling out the former mayor for quote, missing the boat on helping new yorkers hit by the great recession of 2008. so what's next in this

escalating feud? who better to ask than our own david asman. you know, i didn't love bloomberg until i met de blasio. >> exactly. de blasio complain about bloomberg as mayor is ridiculous. de blasio is now less popular in manhattan than donald trump is. i mean how can you do that in manhattan in one of the liberalist, if that is a word, most liberal cities in america? melissa: that's amazing. >> it real is extraordinary. did de blasio ever ask for forgiveness, apologize for supporting sandinistas they were in power, he went down there to pat them on the back? did he apologize for any other mistakes he made. i never heard any apology. by the way i love baby yoda. i have to add that in. melissa: we covered everything. what else do you have on your fine program? >> we have an extraordinary anti-drug ad rolled out in south dakota, you have old

people like the gentleman on the screen, young kids saying i'm on meth. what is that all about? we'll be asking the governor of south dakota. they spent a half million dollars on this ad. she presumably thinks it is a good idea. we'll ask her why. that is coming up. judge napolitano on the mysterious death of jeffrey epstein, whether we get to the bottom of it. melissa: i think not. but we'll try. david, thank you. see you at the top of the hour. sounds like a great show. connell: state of california in crisis mode. the utility is under fire for its plans to cut power to even more homes across the state. we have details for you coming up next. was the potential to help many people through investments that help fund medical innovation. my team and i often choose to invest at the very early stages of human trials. investing lets me use everything i've learned

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matt welch is here from reason magazine to discuss. they need some reason there, matt. i mean whatever it is you hate about government, there's something in this story for you. some people are blaming climate change. others, you know, say the utility is forced to spend money on these other renewable solutions. they can't keep the regular lights on. they are not spending it on infrastructure. what is your take? >> on some basic level the provision of electricity is not a new magic concept that we have developed. countries have been doing this for a long time. i was a foreign correspondent for eight years, and if we were covering a country, and they couldn't provide electricity to almost a million people, we would cover that accurately, as evidence of a failed state. california has its own problems. they have a lot of wildfires, particularly this time of year, every this time of year. they have droughts and specific challenges. but there's kind of a vicious spiral of bad or difficult policy making, including pg&e, it's very very easy to sue pg&e for sparking wildfires.

you don't have to really prove all that much from their point of view. so there you have liability of upwards 20, 30 billion dollars, and so what do you do with that? and policymakers there haven't been very clever about how to deal with the regulated utility in a fire zone. melissa: is there any solution in sight? i mean we can all see that they have to haul away more trees. they have to invest in the infrastructure. but, you know, it's this government with monopoly company that's kind of a real world company that's paralyzed this whole situation. is there anything that gets the ball rolling so people aren't in the dark? >> i mean, ideally, you could get into privatizing. they tried do that under gray davis in a very handed way and it blew up on them. there's insurance policy too. homeowners insurance policies in fire zones in california is a disaster. they are encouraging people to pay sub market rates to build in places that burn.

got to stop doing that as bare minimum in order to stop people from building in places that are going to burn reliably every couple of years. melissa: yeah. in the near term, what's the response? like in california they keep shutting the lights off. you would think people would stand up and revolt. >> think about how many people in redding, california, lost their homes a year or two back. there's been these really devastating fires the last few years. maybe they are more willing to do it. but again, we're talking about a million people that will lose their power. they won't stand for it. newsom's approval rating are plummeting as a response to this. you have to figure a way to put the lights on. melissa: standing there blaming the utility doesn't help much when people are in the dark. good to see you. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. melissa: unbelievable situation, that's a failed state. you can't keep the electricity on? connell: if it was somewhere else, some other country we would be saying that all the time. here it is. just to the west of us in our beautiful country. anyway, thanks for joining us today.

we will see what tomorrow brings. we have a lot of the impeachment fronts. markets are split today, down 100 on the dow, record high for the nasdaq. melissa: that does it for us. bulls & bears starts right now. >> i've been told, who knows if this is so, but i think it is so, i have pretty good authority on it, that she's using usmca because she doesn't have the impeachment votes so she's using usmca to get the impeachment votes. david: president trump accusing nancy pelosi of holding a new north american trade deal hostage in order to push ahead with impeachment proceedings. hi everybody. this is bulls & bears. thank you for joinings us. i'm david asman. joining me today jonathan hoenig, jackie deangelis, carol ross and robert wolf. the president calling pelosi quote incompetent for not being able to get the usmca passed while the impeachment hearings now enter their second week. s