- you got me. - that's the end. thank you. - you got me. i love that. - thank you so much. - life is so good, brother. i couldn't even answer that question, life is so good. harvey levin: the objects people choose to keep in their home define who they are. this is... wait, wait, wait, you made these in prison? i did. i'm harvey levin. this is a story about a woman who turned her back on a lucrative career on wall street to become the perfect homemaker. this 19th-century tailor's table will be absolutely perfect for the adult. harvey: but martha stewart's life wasn't all perfection. i did not want to get divorced. i think he had a wandering eye. and wandering whatever. ( laughs ) harvey: she was a billionaire. unstoppable until a tiny stock deal landed her in prison. james comey was the prosecutor. yeah, dear james. do you think that he's sexist?

martha would not only rebound and rebuild, she would completely redefine herself, with a little help from some friends. i had to sit next to snoop. i was so high. say again? i was so high. harvey: martha stewart, good in the kitchen, kick-ass in the board room. martha stewart. how do you do? what's crack a-lackin'? ( laughs ) everything. ( laughs ) thank you so much for doing this. i am fascinated by your journey. how you got to where you are today. - great. - and that's what we're gonna do today. great. well, it's the american dream. it is the american dream. and nightmare. ( both chuckle ) i get it. let's start. - okay. - okay. tell me what this is. well, this is one of my precious bowls. but it's a special bowl because it was given to me by my next-door neighbors in nutley, new jersey, mr. and mrs. mouse. they were german immigrants who were fantastic bakers.

and when they retired from their bakery, they started a bakery in their basement. and this is one of the bread bowls. and they gave me this. your dad, um... had a big impact on you. - tell me a little bit about it. - he did. my father was a very handsome man, very tall, actually, he could be called "beautiful" i think. blond hair, blue-eyed, looked more nordic than polish, but he was 100% polish. my mother was also polish, 100%. born in buffalo, new york. i've read he was a perfectionist. very much so. and i got my sense of perfection and wanting to do things in the best possible way with the best possible result from him. - that stuck? - yeah, so it stuck. and it still sticks. the perfect, perfect café latte. the perfect ganache. how to make the perfect bed. that is a very nice egg. perfect. he was also big into gardening. dad was a wonderful gardener. he grew the best tomatoes on the street.

some of his tomatoes, those jersey tomatoes, were four pounds each. - four pounds? - four pounds. those were big, big-- they were called "big boys," actually. um, and then he also grew beautiful flowers and he instilled in me a love of gardening. i am a real gardener. and i think that's from dad. you are your father's daughter. i am. and i think i-- i hate to say it, but i think i was his favorite daughter. you grew up in a time when women became housewives. yes. it seems that you didn't accept that at a very early age. was it because of your dad? uh, no, i don't think it was my dad. i think my mother could be considered a feminist, an early feminist, because she was trained as a teacher. the day my youngest sister, laura, got into kindergarten, mom started teaching again.

so she went right back to work with six kids at home to feed at night. she would then go and teach a class of 32 students at the lincoln school in nutley, new jersey. one of my favorite things that i've read about you is what you wrote in your high school yearbook. and it so resonates. i want to talk about it. you wrote, "i do as i please and i do it with ease." ( chuckles ) a little bit snotty, i would say in retrospect. i would, too. but it's interesting you wrote that as a kid, as a 16-year-old. right. well, i felt that way. dad had instilled that into me. his best piece of advice he ever gave me was, "if you work hard enough, you could pretty much do anything, martha" that's what he said to me. so he understood that i had a brain, he understood that i was smart enough. i wanted to be a housewife, too. i did not ever look down on the-- on housekeeping, or house work. i never looked down on it.

i was brought up doing house work. did you ever have a rebellious period growing up? i wish i could say i did. i was just goodie two-shoes all the way. - really? - until i met my... my boyfriend, my first boyfriend. who turned out to be my fiancé, and then my husband. i was a very good girl. and that was your rebellious period? - yes. - ( both laugh ) well, because, i mean, i went out of our religion, i married-- i fell in love with a jewish boy, and i brought him home. and my father was... well, i didn't bring him home first, i went home and told my parents that-- i was 18 years old-- i said, "i have fallen in love and i'm going to get married," and i didn't ask if i could get married i just said i am going to get married. and my father actually slapped me. because he was jewish. then when they met him-- oh, my gosh, then they fell in love with him. they loved him, and... can i go back to slapping?

( chuckles ) he slapped me. in my happiest moment, telling my parents i was going to get married, he said i'm too young, "you're wasting your life," dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, you know, that kind of thing. - wow. - yeah. had he ever done that before? - slapped me? - yes. oh, yes. but not, like, across my face, i usually got spanked. - wow. - it was the day of spanking. - um... - ( chuckles ) okay, so... not bad, i mean, when i say spanking, you know, it was discipline. parents actually disciplined their kids. nowadays, you're not allowed to do this, and you're not allowed to do that, and most parents, you're not allowed touch and... but in those days, actually, discipline... didn't your parents ever spank you? - daily. - yes. okay. harvey: was this an easy childhood? martha: i would say it was a very easy childhood. harvey: had a good one? martha: it was very good. i enjoyed everything i did. i was happy. ( music playing )

so tell me about these. well, these are-- this is mrs. beaton. mrs. beaton started writing in the early 1800s. and this is called "household management." it's everything you have to know about keeping a home. so many different things in here: recipes for wild duck, and sole, look at these beautiful sole, and how to cook, catch and clean eel. whatever you want to know, it's here. this is all about being a housewife. yes. this is all about being a... how to run a home. - so... - you want to sit down on a stool? - okay, i'd love that. - as we talk in my kitchen? this is my kitchen by the way... i-- i'm a perceptive guy. - ( laughs ) - i noticed. you... went into modeling early. and, i'm wondering, was it because people said to you, "martha, you should be a model," or did you just look in the mirror and say, "yeah, i can do that"? martha: i never considered myself a great beauty or even beautiful, but i had a neighbor friend

who was modeling in new york city. and she said, "you know, i model and i make money on the side. you should try it. you're attractive. you can probably get an agent." so she took me to her agent in new york. and, yes, they signed me right away. and i started to earn, i think i remember earning $15 an hour to start, that was live modeling at bonwit teller on saturdays. modeling whatever they put on me and i would walk around the store. and then, i got another agent. and they said, "oh, you can do commercials." announcer: busy, active people, stop. now you can odor-proof your body. helps blemish-proof your skin, too. get the active soap for active people. did you ever think, "maybe i'll put college in the backburner and make modeling my career"? oh, never. it didn't occur to me at all. i was using modeling as a means to an end. because i was told by my parents they did not have enough money to pay any tuition. harvey: you met your husband, andy,

i believe, when you were at barnard, he was at yale. martha: yes, he was at yale law school. and i fell madly in love immediately. harvey: what attracted you? martha: well, he was very smart, and he was nice-looking, and he was well-educated, and he talked a lot, and he was fun. i mean, all the good things. how quickly did you marry him? oh, within a year. so you were 19 when you got married. i was. that surprises me that you would get married that early when you're so focused and determined to go out on your own and... - make a name for yourself. - well, i had lots of interests, and marriage just was-- it just came along and i thought, "god, you know, this is great. i really love this man." and i didn't call him a man, this boy. "and why not get married? i can do everything anyway." which i did. harvey: and it never occurred to you that, when you get married, then you suddenly assume a fairly traditional role again that might hamper your ability to go out? well, he wasn't that kind of guy.

he was not going to put me in the kitchen and make me cook dinner every single night. i wanted to cook dinner. i cooked dinner anyway. so why not do that and study? and i did not give up my studies, i continued to go to school. got my degree. i toyed with the idea of becoming an architect. and instead of becoming an architect, i went to wall street. andy's father had been a stockbroker. he had a seat on the new york stock exchange. and i thought, "oh, this looks exciting, investing, learning about companies." it was very exciting and interesting. you go to wall street, which was male-dominated at the time. very much so. was that daunting? uh, no. again, i don't easily-- i don't get daunted too easily by things or by people. how were the male colleagues receiving you? oh, they loved me, oh, no, they loved me. and the senior partner, of course, monez, he fell madly in love with me. and, um-- but i was a married woman and i sort of stuck to my guns. i was always a married woman. and i flirted,

but that was it. and so you were never discriminated against? - no. - really? no. they used me. i mean, they used me as a sort of allure for clients, in the nicest possible way. you're a successful stockbroker, you're young, you know, it's exciting, you're having a great time. - you quit. - ( chuckles ) and you move to the country. i'm thinking, "is she just waving the white flag and she's just gonna become a housekeeper?" martha: that's when i started developing my idea that change is good. learn as much as you can, move on. but what were you moving on to? well, i was moving on to something new. what was that new thing, moving to the country? - we bought a house. - right. and i was commuting from an old, rickety house, turkey hill road, 1805 farm house, and i wanted to see what i could do with it. with no particular designs on starting a business? no, not necessarily, no. but i liked to cook, and then thinking, "you know, i want to start a business. i'm gonna start cooking." and i had a friend who wanted to cook. so we started a catering business.

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so this is... the framed design of my stock certificate when we went public on the new york stock exchange. it feels really good, especially now with the stock opening substantially higher than the offering price. i must tell you, we're really excited. it's a good thing. this is when you became a billionaire. yes. that was a good day. - i bet. - ( laughs ) tell me about that day. well, it was a very exciting day. i had worked hard to build a company that was martha stewart living on the media. and a lot of people poo-pooed the idea of "on the media," but, to me, it really made sense. so it was a media company, which encompassed a magazine and a world of books, - um, and television. - harvey: television. martha: it became a merchandising company. we sold products. at that time, we were selling a lot of product at k-mart.

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so you're painting the house, working on roofs, uh, and then you decide, "i'm gonna start a catering business." - yeah. - why? well, i like to cook, and i noticed that there was a void in the market for a good catering service. harvey: what was the hole in the market? martha: the whole was everywhere for good, wholesome food for parties. harvey: when you started out, did it feel to you like this was gonna become a business you're gonna develop or was it more of a hobby? oh, no, it was a business. i was booking up to a million dollars in revenue for my catering business, and that's a lot of money. - locally? - yes. - a million dollars? - yes. ( chuckles ) but that was hard work. and what really happened was the experience that i got doing this catering led to me deciding that, if i didn't write something about this work i was doing, if i ever grandchildren, they wouldn't know what grandma had done. so i decided to write a book. and that's really what the value of all that catering,

and all that learning, and all that recipe development led to the creation of my number one cookbook. harvey: that was book was everything, wasn't it? martha: it was the first time that people understood, that i understood that i was every woman who really needed advice and guidance in entertaining friends and family. holidays became more important after this book. people really paid more attention to what were they gonna serve on christmas eve or christmas day, and birthdays and feasts of different ethnicities. all of this is in this book. it's a simple, beautiful book and i think everybody should read it. steven spielberg talked about you creating housekeeping as an art form. martha: right, and that was so flattering, by the way. and he told me that walking down the street on lily pond lane in east hampton. - but it's true. - yeah. but, at the same time, it's unattainable to most people. they can't do that. but it isn't anymore. i really think that women everywhere,

and guys who are running their own homes now-- there's a lot of single men or married men who are running their households-- i think they all know pretty much now how to throw a good party. did you have a master plan or was this just kind of happening as it went along? i wish i could say it was all mapped out. ( laughs ) of course it wasn't mapped out. but i knew what i liked to do. i really, i'd found my voice with this book. so i started to write a book a year. and every single year, i created a really, really good book. and i wanted to do television, i wanted to do everything. i thought the only other format that would pay off is a magazine. so that's where this comes in. this is number one issue of "martha stewart living." this was an immediate success as a magazine. it was the first full-fledged lifestyle magazine with a person attached. were you competing with oprah? i was a little earlier than oprah. it was martha, then it was oprah,

then it was rosie. we were all like ten years apart. oprah is by far the wealthiest and most powerful, but i consider myself a successful creator of an industry. i have seen a lot of successful people try their hand at television and they fail miserably. you had never done television before. it's pretty audacious to say, "now i'm gonna venture into this area without any experience." and you were successful at it. martha: well, i was good in front of the camera. i learned that modeling. i think that modeling was really the best teacher for me because there you are, standing with 25 people over there telling you what to do and you have to look nice, and act relaxed and pretty in the pictures. so i learned how to behave in front of the camera. - right. - but then, i was also a good teacher and i could easily talk well and do. it's hard to... - it's hard to cut meat and... - and talk, yeah. smile at the camera, and do the whole thing and not burn yourself and cut yourself.

i've only cut myself once on camera. and do all of that stuff, it's not an easy thing. and still look good and act well and be pleasant in front of the camera. you're a competitive person. um, i'm competitive. but not, not... i mean, i wouldn't be good on a tennis court competing with anybody. i'm not like that. what about in business? um... i'm not cutthroat in business. i'm not. why do you think some people say you are? because i'm successful. ( laughs ) i think that's really the reason. ( music playing ) for five months, i spent an uneasy time in alderson federal prison. james comey was the prosecutor. yeah, dear james. do you think that he's sexist?

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i spent an uneasy time in alderson federal prison, i guess it's called. i can't even remember the name. but, to pass the time, i took up whatever i could possibly take up. - mm-hmm. - reading; it was like a great reading vacation. but i also took pottery. ceramics it's called there. wait, wait, wait, you made these in prison? i did. you were allowed to make three pieces of ceramics in five months. but i persuaded the powers-that-be that this was one piece because you couldn't just do three of them, you had to do the whole thing. so i think there's 12 pieces or 15 pieces. so this is a nativity scene? this is a nativity, um... figures for a crèche, a christmas crèche. - but this is so intricate. - aren't they beautiful? oh, my god. and you had to ship it out you know, and you had to wrap everything. and nothing got broken - i was so pleased that... - ( laughs )

you know, these are so great. look it, these are the three wise men bringing their gifts to baby jesus. and here's joseph and mary. and these beautiful camels. harvey: this is incredible. martha: so i recently called the prison to ask if they still had the molds. 'cause i'd like to make this for, you know, qvc or for... oh, my god, "martha stewart's prison molds." oh, no, don't call it that. okay, but it would sell. - it's called a crèche! - it would sell like crazy! let's call it "the nativity." it's so beautiful, but at the same time, it brings back memories. is it painful? you know, that time is-- i do not want to be defined by a time like that. that's an unfair time. harvey: do you feel like you were unfairly targeted because you were martha stewart? martha: i can go on and on and on about this. i don't think it's so appropriate... harvey: okay, then give me a yes or no. yes. definitely yes. i'm just very, very sorry that it's come to this. that a small personal matter has been able to be blown out of all proportion,

and with such venom and such... gore. i mean, it's just terrible. james comey was the prosecutor. yeah, dear james. so, he's a complicated person, isn't he? do you think that he's sexist? no, i'm sure i was an example. and that's it. harvey: until hillary clinton comes along. second example. but not only the second, there have been... i'm sure there are other people that were also used as examples. so are there dots you connect that then...? um, i'll be writing about it in my autobiography. ( laughs ) were you hurt by the glee that some people expressed when you went through this? not hurt, just disgusted. ( laughs ) and i'm a very strong person. i can put up with a lot of lemons in my life, but, of course, i was really, not discouraged, even,

just disgusted that this kind of thing could happen in the united states. you brought a $10,000 birkin bag into court. martha: um, i don't even know if it was $10,000. i bought that bag, it's a beautiful bag. i have very few handbags, pocketbooks. and very few, and that was the one i was using at the time. i didn't even think about it, that was my pocketbook. expensive pocketbook. well, i was a rich woman. they didn't focus on my clothes so much. some of those clothes were more expensive than the pocketbook. harvey: ( laughs ) you got away with that. ( laughs ) got away with that. but, um... but it was... it was ridiculous that that was the focus. why? does a man get focused on for the belt he's wearing or the gold buckle or the whatever? what was it like for you there? i mean, here you are in this opulent life, and then going there. martha: simple, i mean, it was just simple. i had a roommate, we were in a little old house.

this was like a campus. it had been built, that particular place had been built as a girl's school. and there were small brick buildings, no security, no fence. was it difficult for you? no, not at all. how was the food? - horrible. - ( laughing ) horrible. there were no lemons. did you try to influence the cooks? no. - harvey: really? - martha: no, i did not try to impose anything on anybody there. that's not the appropriate place to do that. if you played "family feud" and said "things about martha stewart," that poncho's gonna come up in one of the numbers. ( martha chuckles ) it's in a box somewhere in the attic. - harvey: you don't know where it is? - martha: no, it's some place. i have a lot of stuff stored here and there.

harvey: people were obsessed with that poncho. oh, i know, and we made a pattern, - which is still sold. - ( laughs ) and you can still buy the same wool. you are fantastic. and it was a great poncho. well, david, welcome. i see you have your ankle bracelet. ( chuckles ) yeah. your poncho. and poor little francesca, you're holding her by the ear. ( laughs ) hey, say hello to my little friend. ( laughter ) you did your house arrest here. and i am blown away by how fantastic this place is. yet i've read this was harder for you than prison. martha: well, it was. it was, again, that kind of thing is so unfair. wearing an ankle bracelet for god's sake. i mean, and, uh... i couldn't do "saturday night live." they asked me to do "saturday night live," and there were not enough hours to prepare for "saturday night live." i could've been alec baldwin. ( both laugh ) there's an old saying that that which doesn't kill you,

makes you stronger. i hate adages like that. i think they are ridiculous. if you're strong, you're strong. and you're not gonna get any stronger by going to a silly place like alderson. ( music playing ) harvey: i was blown away by your performance at the "justin bieber roast." were you scared? no. i was so high. say again? i was so high. ♪ ♪ ♪ everything your trip needs

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i actually used the five months of home arrest to write this book. you made money while you were in prison. you bet. you made 12 cents an hour going in, and a lot of money going out with this. right, i don't remember the 12 cents, but... okay, so my opinion? prison made you super cool. ( laughs ) well, actually, to a certain group in america, prison gives you street cred, so... it does, doesn't it? but it's an unnecessary way to get it. well, you know, it's funny because there are a lot of people who may not have liked you or have been indifferent, but showing imperfection, whether it was fair or not fair, makes you relatable to people. so isn't there a positive that comes from it? no positive whatsoever. i'm not giving in on that point. - so... - ( chuckles ) there is no lemonade here. none. by the way, natasha, i do a lot of gardening,

but you are, without a doubt, the dirtiest, used-up hoe i have ever seen. ( laughter ) i was blown away by your performance at the "justin bieber roast." i think it was one of the most brilliant comedic performances that i have seen. - thank you. - from somebody who's not a comic. as we all know, kevin is one of the biggest movie stars in the business right now. and he deserves it. he's struggled for years. when he finally got his first big paycheck, he spent $150,000 on a watch. ( chuckles ) i forget that term for that. it's not "african-american rich." it'll come to me. ( laughter ) ( cheering ) were you scared? no. i was so high. say again? i was so high. it was just a joke. ( both laugh ) well, i don't know. i mean, you were sitting next to snoop. i had to sit next to snoop for four hours.

oh, second-hand... - ( laughs ) - yes. it's nice to see snoop again. one of the highest-rated episodes of my show, "martha stewart living", was when snoop and i made brownies together. ( laughter ) and, uh, i've used his recipe ever since. as a matter of fact, i ate three of them right before they called, and asked me to do this roast. ( laughs ) i guess that was the first time you met him, right? - oh, no. oh, no. - oh, you knew him before? - oh, yeah, we knew each other. - oh, he was on your show, wasn't he? he was on my show. and just a, you know, a pleasant guest, fun guest, and one of the most popular guests. hi, everybody, welcome to our show. or should i say, what's crack a-lackin'? ( audience laughs ) 'cause look who's sitting right next to me? he's very funny and so laid back. and, um... and we just rekindled just a friendship on that roast. and then someone came and asked if we would do this, um, a cooking show together. ( music playing )

we thought that it would be really nice to do a potluck supper. and that's what we did. harvey: so... is this rebranding, a brand extension? 'cause that's not the stuff you used to do. it's neither, neither. it's really a melding of two diverse cultures. i've gotten to know what compton and all that... lifestyle is about, and music. i didn't know how talented snoop was in music, or jamie foxx is a genius. you don't know that until you actually sit down and spend a day with a person that's famous, but you don't know how talented underneath they are, what education has gone into that, that amazing performance ability. so i learned a lot, and he certainly has learned a lot. fo shnizzle. yeah, for shnizzle. - ( laughs ) - yeah. so tell me the truth, you smoke with him now?

- never. - really? never. it's of no interest to me. but it's interesting to me. snoop dogg: oh, lord. watch out for martha 'cause she's about to lose 'cause snoop's chicken is soaked in chronic and booze. ( laughter ) your version of "the apprentice" kind of ruined your relationship with donald trump, didn't it? martha: well, at that time, he didn't like it because, well, he doesn't like much. but he didn't like that i even had a version of "the apprentice." i was supposed to fire him at the end of my... my first season. - harvey: really? - martha: well, they-- he was going to leave "the apprentice." and mark burnett had promised me that i would fire donald trump. and, uh, that didn't happen. donald trump decided he wanted to continue with "the apprentice," and rightly so because, look, he became president as a result of that "apprentice" show.

along the way, he trashed you and said, "oh, her ratings were my ratings. that ruined the relationship, didn't it? martha: oh, well, at that time, it wasn't so nice to say things like that, but he's said that about his other successors too. he doesn't want to give anybody else a chance. does he? ( music playing ) you were married for 29 years. right. what went wrong? um... "what went wrong?" uh, i think he had a wandering eye. and wandering whatever. ( laughs )

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you'd think that now that she's a mom, she's grown-up, that she would've sort of figured it out. well, she hasn't. harvey: alexis once said... ( martha laughs ) so she really put herself out there to be judged. oh, wow, i mean, i couldn't do this. that's amazing. she's a fantastic cook. she's a better cook than i am. - really? - oh, she is. and she cooks 15 meals a day right now for her family. and she is the cook of the household. harvey: so she really got this from you. martha: well, i don't know if she got it from me, but she is a fantastic mother, she has two amazing children, my grandchildren. ( clicks tongue ) i'm so proud of them. they're my only two grandchildren. and i pay their school tuition. - i still... - ( laughter ) i still don't get to know what they're gonna be on halloween. so your daughter doesn't come to the martha stewart board

to get approval of the costumes? she's extremely original herself, so guess what? she doesn't really need me to do that. you were married for 29 years. right. what went wrong? um... "what went wrong?" i think i was working too hard, not paying enough attention. i think he had a wandering eye. and wandering whatever. ( laughs ) - and, um... - ( laughs ) we grew apart. i did not want to get divorced. yeah, i know he left. - yes. yeah. - it hurt. oh, yeah, for a long time. but... i've built a good life. you had talked about, um... wanting another-- wanting a companion. um, is that a priority? martha: oh, i have companions. i have five dogs, six horses. ( laughs ) but you didn't meet any of them on match.com and you're on match.com. martha: oh, yeah, that was a disaster. ( harvey laughs )

that was a disaster. no, but i've had some serious relationships that also didn't work out, if you want to call it, if marriage is working out, or just long-term friendships. most of my relationships have ended in a friendship, but not in a marriage. but it's still something you seek. - no, not really. - really? i mean, if it comes, it comes. and thank heavens i have the two fantastic grandchildren that i have, jude and truman. harvey: boy, they have just taken your heart, haven't they? martha: oh, definitely, definitely. i'm sure i am boring to death to my friends talking about my grandchildren. alexis said that sometimes you made her, not only cook her own meals, but wrap her own christmas presents. - ( laughs ) - so what changed? oh, well, she... they always say grandchildren are infinitely more interesting and more pleasurable than children. is that true with you?

- no. - ( laughs ) - no! - that was a trick question. i know. alexis was great. but having the grandchildren is just a joy. you really love them. i do love them. and you see them a lot? i try to see them quite often, yes. several times a week. and your relationship with alexis is strong. better than it has been, not as good as it should be. i want to ask you one other dating question. i read that you once dated anthony hopkins. well, we had a dinner, and a date, but i couldn't get out of my head hannibal lecter. ( both laugh ) that was the buzzkill. sorry, anthony. ( music playing ) you went kayaking in newfoundland, you went panning for gold in the alaskan yukon... ( laughs ) dune bashing in the middle east. i don't know what it is. it seems incongruous to look at that

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which i am very lucky to have found. and it's just a really pleasant place to come home to. i have a barn with horses and donkeys and chicken coops with very productive chickens and geese and guineafowl. i have turkeys, too. tell me about this. oh, well, this is a duffel bag that has been up to the top of kilimanjaro. ( laughs ) - this is what you took? - yes. - you carried it? - well, it was wheels and, when you go up to kilimanjaro, - you have porters. - harvey: ah. - martha: do you know what those are? - harvey: they're like sherpas. martha: yes. you have a backpack, but you also have to have your gear. it's a long... it's a long walk at a high altitude. so you did it for five days, it's almost 20,000 feet. - yes. - highest mountain in africa. in africa. and you make your final ascent from midnight until five in the morning when the sun rises over africa. it is an incredible sight. was there fear? no, it was a little scary

because you're up there all by yourself. but i could see in the distance my two companions, my two fellow climbers with me. but it was so much fun. but i love to travel, that's my adventuresome side. - i like to travel, too. - yeah. - i don't climb mountains. - oh, well, you should try. where'd you get this sense of adventure? well, i'm an energetic person with a lot of curiosity about the world and about nature. harvey: you went kayaking in newfoundland, you went panning for gold in the alaskan yukon... ( martha laughs ) dune bashing in the middle east. i don't know what it is. it seems incongruous to look at that and then look at a woman who makes her living really teaching people how to be a homemaker. martha: right, but part of homemaking is traveling and learning. and look at the crafts i've learned all over the world. the crafts, and the cooking, and the foods, and-- oh, it's incredible. it's always about learning for me.

it's a-- there's so much to learn and you should never stop. and i'm incredibly lucky that i'm able to do it. do you ever think someday you're just gonna sit down and kick back, enjoy life? uh, nope. - ( laughs ) - you like working? i do. why? it's exciting. it's exciting to create. and i don't think you have to stop working. and i don't even consider some of this work that i do. how can you consider your travel work? you can't. how can you consider writing a book work? you can't. it's, you know, it's what you do. it's writing. i always say, "don't think of doing the laundry as a chore, think of it as doing the laundry." what can you learn while you're doing the laundry? a lot. well, we're back, and i'm here backstage by our whirlpool duet washer and dryer, where we get all our laundry done before the show, and after the show. you can learn what machine works the best, you can learn what soap cleans the best,

which one doesn't smell. you can learn all kinds of stuff when you're doing the laundry. - guess what i learned today? - what? - you're awesome. - oh. ( laughs ) - thank you so much. - thank you. - thank you so much, martha. - thank you. harvey levin: the objects people choose to keep in their home define who they are. this is "objectified"... this is what kylie jenner wore home - from the hospital the day she was born. - oh! i'm harvey levin. this is the story of arguably one of the most famous moms on the planet, who became the architect of one of the most visible and lucrative empires in entertainment. ( people clamoring ) as a little girl, kris dreamed of being a housewife and mom, but that fairy-tale life with robert kardashian was short-lived. when he filed for divorce, that was pretty devastating for you. oh, yeah! i went to the market one day and my credit card didn't work, and i'm like, "i can't even buy a tomato." harvey: soon, a new man would catch her eye,

bruce jenner, an american hero, and together they would achieve fame and fortune, but not everything was picture perfect. you're going to make me psychotic! you already are psychotic. harvey: there was obviously a big secret that bruce was holding. caitlyn now says from the beginning you knew. a newly-single kris navigated her entire family to unimaginable triumphs. 700 million followers who are influenced by you. have you ever thought of using that to push a political agenda? kris jenner, the matriarch of the most famous family on the planet, who has taken every obstacle thrown her way and come out on top. - thank you so much for having me! - how are you? oh, my god! it's so good seeing you. good to see you, too. thank you so much for doing this! i'm excited about the show. i'm excited about talking to you. - yeah? - even though i know you. i know, you know way too much about me. but here's what-- here's what i wanna do today.

- okay. - i wanna trace your life. we're gonna use objects that you've kept - oh, boy. - and find those building blocks along the way that turned you into kris jenner. well, i'm 62 years old, so this might take hours. - okay, well, let's do it. - okay, let's go. so, tell me what this is. that's annabelle. okay. hi, annabelle. that is my baby annabelle. my mom and my dad gave this to me when i went into the hospital when i was seven, and i had an operation on my leg 'cause i had a bone tumor. i know about that. i know you do, 'cause you read everything. - didn't you? you're very well prepared. - yes, i did. but this is what i got, and this got me through my little surgery. and she, in a way-- we're gonna get into the bone tumor, but in a way, she symbolizes overcoming obstacles. i guess that's why i keep her handy and always with me, 'cause she's very comforting. - i'm gonna take you back to la jolla. - okay. it was kind of a middle class upbringing? kris: uh-huh. yes. um, was born and raised in san diego,

and my parents got divorced when i was seven. and i was really close to my grandparents. so, eventually, my mom moved in across the street from my grandparents. - sound familiar? and, um-- - yes. and so my grandmother, and my grandfather, and my mom raised me and my sister karen. and we never felt like we were missing one thing. we had a lot of love and we had everything we ever wanted, and, you know, it was a great childhood. your mom was a big influence on you. - yes. - and it's funny because the more i know about your mom, the more i see you are your mother's daughter. kris: ( chuckles ) she's great. she's the best. she spends a lot of time up here now, so that makes me happy. tell me about her as your role model growing up. well, i think my mom and my grandmother were very much alike, because they were workaholics. they loved to work. they loved business. they-- you know, they loved fashion. so they kind of, you know, taught me,

and then i taught my kids, i guess, that, you know, it's the way you present yourself to the world. it was very important to my mom, you know, to get up in the morning, and, you know, put on her, you know, sunday best. and my grandmother would say, "i can't go anywhere until i put my face on." - harvey: she was a fashionista, your mom. - so, yeah. and to this day, if i see my mom and she's not dressed to the nines, it's-- it would be like, "are you okay?" you know? "are you feeling all right?" but my grandmother had a candle store in la jolla. and when i was about 12 or 13, instead of going to the beach in the summer with all my friends, in order to get to the beach i had to go to the candle store and work for a little while, helping her wrap gifts and restocking merchandise, and she really taught me the ropes. i know everything you could possibly wanna know about a candle. - and donuts, by the way. - and donuts. - you worked in donut store. - yeah, i did. well, when i worked in the donut store, my job was scraping the glaze off of the floor with a glaze scraper.

- before school. - wow, you started at the bottom, didn't you? i did. i scraped glaze. and i was so proud of that job, because i was saving-- at that time i was saving for a bicycle, and then i was saving for a car one day. you know, i had these dreams and i would set goals for myself at 13. you have a mother who is a fashionista, who is a working mom, who has a work-- - a strong work ethic. - yes. and all of these things are not only embodied in you as an adult, but you passed them on to your children. - yeah. - that's a pretty straight line there. you go out there and you get it. you design it, and you start doing your homework and your due diligence. you just have to put your mind to it. that's all. you said something interesting once. "girls my age were thinking about the prom. i was thinking "( bleep ) the prom. i wanna get married and have six kids." kris: true. so true. when i was 16, all i wanted to do was have six kids. - isn't that crazy? - well, it's crazy to me,

because i'm hearing two different kris jenners. i'm hearing a kris jenner who wants nothing more - than to get married and have six kids, - mm-hmm. and then i'm hearing about a kris jenner who is interested in business, work ethic, you know, going into the candle store, doing a good job. mm-hmm. and i'm here to say you can do both. you know, and that's the-- the message that i gave my children, my girls when they were growing up. - i wanna get back annabelle. - annabelle? - okay. - so, when you were young, you had a bone tumor, and my understanding is there was a chance you were gonna lose a leg. that's what they told my mom. the technology in those days was they couldn't tell if it was cancerous or not until they got in there, and if it was they were gonna have to amputate. when i woke up, everyone was so happy. - i'm like, "why are they so happy?" - right. - you know. yeah. - 'cause they knew. i didn't really understand at the time the impact of what was going on around me, and how lucky i was to have survived that. and i think that it gave me something to be grateful for years later.

yeah. tell me what's in your hand. this is a necklace that i had when i was 17 years old. and it's-- this is, like, so goofy. it's says, " oh, ( bleep )!" - and i thought-- - let's say, "oh, crap" for this. - oh, crap. yeah, oh, crap. - yeah. so, this was something that i found in a little store when i was shopping with my girlfriends and i thought it was so edgy. and i probably-- i was a little bit of a rebel for a minute and thought it would be just cool-- you were a rebel? well, i-- i guess. - because i bought this and i actually wore it. - ooh. that's, like, the worst thing. i was, like, a wild teenager. so, i was wearing this necklace when i met robert kardashian - harvey: really? - when i was 17 years old. he came up to me looking like tony orlando. - you know? - ( harvey laughs ) with high-platform shoes. - i actually see that. no, no, no, i actually see that. - the whole nine. - no, the whole nine. - ( laughs )

and he had a suit on and he was at the racetrack with his dad and his brother. and he came up and, you know, had some smooth line. 1975, i think. over the period of a couple of months of talking to him on the phone, we kind of had a friendship. and it was really cool. and i thought, "this guy's-- i like this guy." but i had a boyfriend. - so that was-- - i think you had a fiancé. yeah. well... kind of. sort of. yeah. - he was a golfer, right? - yes. - yeah. - so you were going out with this golfer. - mm-hmm. - kind of, sort of his fiancée. - kind of, sort of his fiancée. - yeah. and then you started dating robert. yeah, well, yeah. robert was-- he was irresistible. harvey: robert was a born-again christian. - uh-huh. - that created issues, didn't it? - with who? - with you. with premarital sex, with-- oh! well, you know what? that kind of went back and forth. it was really interesting. like, you know, for a couple months that would be something that just naturally happened and then a few months it would be,

"nah, this is-- we shouldn't be doing this," and, you know. - so-- - did you actually have to leave the house because that became an issue at a point? i did for about, i don't know, just a couple months. i married robert when i was 22 years old, and had-- i got pregnant on my honeymoon. and, believe me, all the armenian ladies were counting. - ( harvey laughs ) - they're like-- they're like-- and thank god, i had kourtney nine months, two weeks, and two days, i think, to the day that, you know, i was married. - wow! - i just think that it was meant to be. i had the happiest life you could've dreamt about. but when you're in something you want-- sometimes people think the grass is always greener. and that was, like, what i think i went through at some point. when i look back on it now, probably one of my biggest regrets in my life is that that marriage fell apart. - part of it-- - you do stupid things when you're young and, you know, not experienced with relationships. and that's not an excuse,

it's just to say that-- just young and dumb. and you had an affair with a soccer player and-- i did. i did, which wasn't-- nothing i'm proud of. you know, it's something that happened that, um-- i think everything-- i have to live my life, and feeling really good about some of my choices. did i love that choice? no, but i feel like it led me to another place where i then had kendall and kylie. so i always have to look back and go, "that was, i guess, unfortunately, the way it was supposed to go." when he filed for divorce, that was pretty devastating for you. yeah, because it made it real. like, you think you're gonna come through this period, i thought, and everything's gonna be okay, and then all of a sudden it wasn't. so, that was really hard for me. and it was also hard in the money department. oh, yeah. i was-- i didn't have anything. i went to the market one day and my, you know, credit card didn't work. i had a market credit card,

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what's this? i love this. so, this is what kylie jenner wore home from the hospital the day she was born. - oh! - and it's a little gown. so it's a whole set. so i love these. i used to get these for all my kids when they came home from the hospital. and i can't even believe i've-- don't wanna tell you how many times that is, but i should have my own wing in there by now. like, the kris jenner maternity wing. but this is a little blanket, and then the bonnet and the cap. whichever, you get a choice. - and the little gown. - oh, my gosh. - isn't that sweet? - that's kylie's gown? this is kylie. and kylie-- i gave all of her baby stuff to her when she got pregnant with stormi.

- and stormi wears this? - and stormi wore it home from the hospital. - oh, god. - but to bring on-- you know, to carry on the tradition. - okay, so you're 35 years old. - yep. - you are divorced and single again, - mm-hmm. - and you swear off men. - uh-huh. i did. i did. and i swore off men, and two weeks later, candace garvey and her husband steve called and said, "have we got a guy for you!" - ( laughs ) - and met bruce jenner. - harvey: two weeks later. - yeah. two weeks after i said i'm never going out with another guy again. "i'm done with men!" harvey: so what was it that made bruce swear you back on men? kris: well, we went out on a date, and we went to the ivy at the shore with candace and steve, and had a great dinner, and just clicked, and ended up five months later, getting married. harvey: how did you kids react when you get divorced, you suddenly meet this guy, and you are a unit?

well, kourtney wore black for a year in protest. - really? - yep. wouldn't talk to him. so, she was definitely daddy's girl. was kim? kim was very respectful and kind and, yeah, but he eventually won them over. you really became a businesswoman when you and bruce got married. well, we got married and i really didn't have anything, and i think he had $200 in the bank. so, you learn really quickly that with four kids and you have to feed everybody, and everybody needs a place to live, that you're gonna figure it out. i went to a motivational speech that he did for the boy scouts of america. i firmly believe that all of us, every person on this earth, was-- has a champion that lives down deep inside of 'em, that can come up with tremendous things to overcome tremendous obstacles, whether in the business world or in the personal life. why do i believe that? i believe it because i've seen it in my life.

and it was fantastic. really good. and i said, "you should be on, like, a tour. you need to be doing this everywhere." and he goes, "well, i've done this, you know, for years." but he was doing like two a year at that point, or whatever it was. not a lot. we made press kits. i had a xerox machine going at 90 miles an hour in my office and put together press kits, and sent out thousands. we mailed thousands of kits to every major company in america about bruce's speaking abilities and, you know, we made a tape. i'm so interested in this, because i can't tell whether this-- the skills of business were developed because you thought, "i wanna be a businesswoman," or whether this was sheer survival. it was both. i think at first it was survival. you know? i had to adjust my-- even my parenting skills had to adjust, because now my time had to be allocated much differently.

so, when i suddenly switched from one thing to another, it was an adjustment. harvey: and you-- but you liked it. kris: loved it. loved it. every night when i went to bed and i put my head on the pillow, i felt so satisfied once again. i was like, "this is amazing." so you had great kids, a bunch of 'em. - a bunch. - and then you decided to have more. - i did. - how come? um, i just-- you know, i still had that dream of six kids. - i just-- - harvey: and that was a dream as a child. kris: 16 years old. - harvey: you wanted six. - kris: yeah. yeah, i really wanted more babies. do you think, looking back, the reality show in some way sunk the marriage? you are really like a teenager. you have no idea what you're talking about. kris lately is getting a little bit out of hand. she lashes out on the people that love her the most. i am going to lose my ( bleep )! you're going to make me psychotic! - you already are psychotic. - i'm leaving right now. no. no. not at all.

i don't think it had anything to do with the marriage. i think that doing the reality show was probably the best thing that we ever did. i think the reality show probably gave all of us sanity. there was obviously a big secret that bruce was holding. - mm-hmm. - caitlyn now says from the beginning you knew. i promised my kids that this is something that i'm not speaking on anymore. what i will say is, you know, you just have to be logical and think about it. you're not gonna, you know, build a life with somebody and spend 25 years being married if, at the end of the day, somebody wants something completely, you know, the opposite that you signed up for. so, you know, i just want at this point, for, um... you know, everyone to be very happy. - harvey: you are their manager. - kris: mm-hmm. and you get a cut of what they make as a manager. i do. have you ever thought about what might happen

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- what are these? - well, on november 30, 2015, kylie launched her first three lip kits called candy k., dolce k., and true brown, - and this started her empire. - yeah. she had a plan for kylie cosmetics when she was 17, and said, "okay, mom, i want you to sit down. i finally figured out what i wanna do for the rest of my life." and i'm like, "whoa! okay." and she said, "it's gonna be makeup. i wanna do my own makeup and i wanna do a lip kit, and this is what i wanna do and these are the three colors." she had meetings, she knew exactly who she wanted, and what she wanted and executed it. and i think it was, you know, ten minutes later her product was sold out. now it's sold out. that was it. ( cheering ) that is really-- sweetheart, i'm so proud of you.

i love you. my girl. kylie, i think you've just launched an empire. i wanna get into how you built this empire. when'd you get the tv bug? well, my-- one of my best friends is kathie lee gifford, and kathie lee and i go back 40 years. and she's the godmother-- her and frank gifford, who passed away, are the godparents of kendall and kylie. and for years-- i mean, i'm going back to probably robert kardashian days. she used to say, "you guys, have a tv show. this is all so-- you know, you're so funny and you know everybody, and nobody would believe what goes on around here." a friend of mine, deena katz, was over at the house having dinner and she said, "you know, ryan seacrest is looking for a producing partner and a show to do. i'd like for you to go talk to him." and i said, "great!" so, i had a meeting with ryan, and he loved the idea and took it to e!. and they loved it, and i think 30 days later we were filming.

so, it was really a whirlwind. i'm kris jenner. because i'm the mom! i'm the mom and kim's manager. okay, kim, it's your world. i just live in it. say what you want, but i know what's best for my kids. where did you learn the ropes of negotiation? because that is a skill that eludes lawyers, and even, you know, people in business day to day. how did you develop that? i think i had the opportunity to grow up and be very close to and have intimate access to people like terry semel, and especially irving azoff, and just different people over the years of my life, who were studio heads and managers. it was self-taught, but by osmosis. it was like being in meetings and at people's homes.

so this is you as a housewife just kinda soaking it in, - watching these people, yeah. - paying attention when i didn't realize i was paying attention. - right. - and i was so interested all the time with, you know, what was going on behind the scenes and at the meetings and how life worked and who was doing what. did people underestimate you as a business person when you started doing this? probably. i was very unsteady on my feet for a while trying to figure it out. but when i became more comfortable in my own shoes and started to have a little bit of success, then i realized, "oh, this is amazing. like, this is-- i can do this." and then once i figured it out and got my confidence, and self-taught myself self-taught business, self-taught business management, management of a client who happened to be my kids. so, that's like-- trust me, that's not sometimes the greatest position, because, you know, you do something wrong and then you get yelled at. right. well, and you're still their parent no matter what happens

- in business. - right, right. so, it's a little tricky. it's a tightrope. - but i'm seeing this-- - mom, it's your job! - as my manager! - no, it's a p-- no, i'm not pr. khloe, calm down. - this is the first i'm seeing of these questions. - no, it's not-- it's not the first time i-- ( grunting ) - one day, mom, i'm gonna get-- - who-- i'm gonna get someone new to run my ( bleep )! and i tell you this all the time, and you never change. i'm not gonna read this to you, but these are the businesses that your family is involved in right now, businesses you've created. there are so many of them. i mean, television shows, cosmetics, clothing lines, all this stuff. at a point, is it dangerous to have a business with a family where you lose kind of the core of, you know-- "this is my family" versus "these are my business partners"? no. you don't. not in my case. i've never felt so excited about doing things with my family, and then on the flip side, never felt so close to my family. - you are their manager. - mm-hmm. and you get a cut

- of what they make as a manager. - i do. have you ever thought about what might happen if one of them says, "mom, you're fired." i have. that's actually happened in the very beginning. i probably got fired a few times. you know, but for a day. until kim started doing it on her own and went, "never mind. i love you." hi! you've reached the office of kris jenner, kim kardashian's former manager. - mom! - if you'd like to get a hold - of my ungrateful daughter, - mom. you can call her on her personal and private cell phone. but what if it really happens? what if one of them says, "look, i've gotta do this on my own," or you have a conflict and one of them does this, - because it happens in business? - mm-hmm. and then you have to maintain the relationship of parent and child. i don't-- first of all, if that happens, and who knows? maybe someday it will. but if that happens, i think that i am-- i am very level-headed and i'm a businesswoman, and they've gotta do what's best for them. i'm obsessed with politics,

and i'm thinking 700 million followers who are influenced by you. have you ever thought of using that to push a political agenda? because you could probably get people elected and voted out of office, if you really put your mind to it. i think we certainly could make a difference in other areas, but right now my focus is on philanthropy for the kids and teaching them how to give back. can we take that as a maybe? okay. i'm not gonna ask you about your kids, 'cause everybody knows about your kids. your kids are famous. so i'm gonna ask you questions - okay. - that i don't know about. who are you the tightest with? it depends on the day. - overall. - overall... it depends on the day. beyond the routine checkups. beyond the not-so-routine cases. comcast business is helping doctors provide care in whole new ways. all working with a new generation of technologies

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okay, tell me about the trinkets. i have hundreds of these, by the way. these are little things. this is-- kourtney made that. khloe made this. these are my little gifts that i got that my kids have made me over the years, like, for mother's day and for, you know, holidays, and for my birthday, at school. that says, "dear mom, i love you and hope you have a good mother's day. love, kim." in 1991. - oh, wow. - isn't that cute? i think that so many people-- and i am part of this-- that so many people think, "my god, the kardashians are a business now." but looking beyond the business, i can't think of a family in hollywood that i know of that is as tight and loving as yours. it's an amazing family. kris: i'm really blessed. so lucky and so much love.

we're all so supportive of one another. we help each other. you know, through thick and thin. there's good days and bad days, and we're always there to build each other up. and i think that's what you have to do. dear lord jesus, thank you for this food that we have in front of us, our safety and our lives. in jesus' name, amen. all: amen. - you are a great prayer giver. - i know. she's very monotone with jesus. i'm not gonna ask you about your kids, 'cause everybody knows about your kids. your kids are famous. so i'm gonna ask you questions - okay. - that i don't know about. - okay. - and i know a lot about your kids. okay. yeah, you do. the most ambitious of all of them. kim. - why? - i think kim-- well, these days it's probably kim and kylie. but kim is definitely an entrepreneur at heart. she's always got a new idea, and a new business she wants to create, and is very excited about life.

my day starts at 4:00 am and the first person i'm gonna hear from is kim. best business sense? - best business sense of the kids? - mm-hmm. gosh. i don't know. maybe kylie. harvey: i thought you were gonna say that. kris: yeah, i think kylie. - harvey: she's pretty amazing. - kris: she really surprised me. who enjoys the spotlight the most? the spotlight? not kendall, not kylie. kourtney and khloe really-- probably kim. probably kim. she enjoys it in a good way, i think a healthy way. she knows, you know, when she wants to talk about something, and she's-- she's very smart about it. - so far i've guessed right on everyone. - okay, good. - okay. - good. i feel like we're on a game show. this may-- this may be problematic for you to answer. who are you the tightest with? it depends on the day. - overall. - overall. overall. you're so smart.

you know, it's equally-- like, right now it happens to be i think khloe, - because she just had a baby. - harvey: right. kris: so i've been, you know, communicating with her like 12 times a day. rob has had some issues over the years with weight and depression and i'm wondering because he's the sole male, - kris: uh-huh. - harvey: does that play into this at all? i think he had a really-- the hardest time when his dad died. and i think that that really had an effect on him. and then he's been through some ups and downs with relationships, and i think rob is-- he's-- first of all, he's doing great and he's such a great kid, but he's very sensitive, you know, and takes so much to heart. i just want my baby to learn the type of, like, armenian values that, like, dad always kind of put onto us. i wanna be like my dad and do the things that we did. you know, cooking and food and family. - he's doing better? good. - he's-- yeah. he is. how are you gonna feel when this really becomes an empty nest?

because parents worry about that, but they've moved out but they really haven't moved out, have they? they never move out. they always come back. but here's the thing. i got this all figured out now. the secret sauce is grandchildren. because now i have nine grandchildren. so that's six kids, nine grandchildren. that's a lot of human beings. - harvey: you got them tethered to this house. - kris: yeah. ( both laugh ) they are not going anywhere, and that makes me really, really happy. everybody talks about kim's sex tape. that was a hard thing to go through. it was devastating. they say that made you famous. does that bother you? i'm part of a community of problem solvers. we make ideas grow. from an everyday solution...

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the object for this is the house, and kind of where we're sitting right now, too, because there's a lot of stuff that goes down when you have a big family. and there's drama on a daily. don't be ( bleep ) rude! kourtney: are you kidding me? - i swear to god. - kourtney: stop! - don't ( bleep ) throw the thing on me. - what are you doing? i'll ( bleep ) hurt you. don't do that. - oh, my god! - ( bleep ) bitch. there's a lot of drama in our family,

as you guys well know. so, this is where everybody comes to talk it out, hug it out, you know, reconvene, relax, wind down, have a barbecue, go swimming. just have a family powwow, an emergency family meeting. can i go through some of those stumbles with you? okay. how fun! festive. everybody talks about kim's sex tape, and they say that made you famous. does that bother you? you know, i can't control what other people say, and obviously that was a hard thing to go through. the thing i learned from that is that you can get through anything as a family. and i think that that, you know, that was obviously a real hard time for any mom. it was devastating. you know, their life in front of the cameras-- kim's wedding to kris humphries on television, specials. i pronounce you husband and wife. kris, you may kiss your bride.

( cheers and applause ) 72 days later, it blew up, - kris: yeah. - harvey: and got really ugly. yeah. and that got an enormous amount of publicity. - it did. - and it was-- that must've been tough. it was really tough. it was another hard time to go through where kim was devastated, you know, about how it all played out. i fell in love with a guy and, like, it's not what i thought it would be. everyone sees i'm a different person. i'm such a bitch, like, i'm just not myself, and i'm not happy. it happened way too fast. i didn't know him. she was here with me, and, you know, again, just trying to get through a really bad time together. and she stayed here, and things just happened to work themselves out. but, you know, as they do. but you just have to get through it and hopefully learn from the experience. - i, lamar... - give you this ring. - give you this ring... - as a promise and symbol.

lamar: as a promise and symbol... - of my heart and faithfulness. - of my heart and faithfulness. - and each day of my life. - and each day of my life... - i will be faithful to you. - i will be faithful to you. harvey: when khloe married lamar, it happened in a nanosecond. it did. yeah. - nine days. - did that concern you? um... actually, it didn't. it felt so natural for the two of them. i fell totally in love with lamar. i mean, it was such a great time in all of our lives, and the whole thing, to have that end the way it did was obviously very sad for all of us. you know, especially me because i really believed in him, but, you know, addiction is a terrible thing, and i didn't know anything about it really. it broke my heart. just broke my heart, just because of the downfall of what happened. i think that khloe is less stressed out

because she's here and she can be at the hospital every day, - and maybe still sleep at home. - well, i don't think she was leaving his side. - she would've never left. - right. - yeah. yeah. - that's what i'm saying. so-- it's better. and now khloe has, you know-- at the time we're talking, dealing with a lot of fallout with tristan. maybe your family should swear off basketball players. ( both laugh ) kris: well, what i do know is that she's so in love with her daughter and her little girl, and, you know, she's doing her best trying to figure out, you know, what being a mom is like, and she's got her focus on her daughter. interested in kanye, who nobody would've predicted, before he married kim, that he would become, you know, such a, you know, doting father and husband. just-- it was surprising to a lot of people. kris: he's the best. he's the best dad and he's a doting father.

loves those kids more than anything. loves kim. they have a great relationship. they live across the street. when he had his medical issues, um, a couple of years ago, your family really rallied around him. - kris: always. - harvey: in my other-- in my other job, watching that, i don't know how he would've done without you guys. you know what? i think we're just all lucky, and i just keep saying this, but just extremely blessed to have each other. i mean, this is-- you know, you have, one beautiful, short life, and so you get through it the best you can, and when you have one another to share it with, and to be so close to, you know, there's-- there's no other option for us. we're just there when we need each other. and then finally, kris, you've had so many successes. well, you have. - i mean, you've had-- - i don't know. the one thing i can think of

that didn't work out great was the talk show you tried. announcer: ladies and gentlemen, kris jenner! ( cheers and applause ) hi, everybody! the talk show was always my dream. it was a summer fill-in for another show that had got taken off the air, and i remember arriving to work and there-- my name was on the side of the building. i was like, "oh, my god! this is really happening." i had the time of my life. i really-- you were on the talk show. kris, you put me in a dunk tank. one-- ( laughs ) kris: well, that's where you belonged at the time, harvey. that's where you belonged that day. you've had a lot of scary situations with stalkers. one of the toughest things about being a celebrity is all the security that we now have to have. kim's robbery in paris, which was so hard. that taught us a lot of lessons.

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(brakes screeching) okay. so, today you're going to leave your phone with a guy named flip. (ding) but it's more than your phone, it's your business, your customer data, your sales figures. and who can forget, those happy hour selfies?

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i didn't. i just dreamed about being a mom. - hmm. - it didn't really occur to me until bruce and i got married and we started doing infomercials, and that was a lot of fun. well, i knew we were coming to barcelona, and i wanted to look my best. so i ate a sensible diet, worked out on the stepper at home, or in the office for about 15 minutes a day. what's the biggest perk of being a celebrity? the biggest perk-- oh, my goodness! i mean, listen. i'm not gonna lie. it really doesn't make me sad not to stand in line at disneyland. i knew you were gonna say that. - i knew you were gonna say that. - i'm not gonna lie. i love that part. or, you know, having a little bit of special treatment when you have a party for 15, you know, for dinner. what's the biggest pitfall? i think for me and my family, the pitfall and the negativity around the social media stuff. i think for me it's bullies, people that judge unfairly when they don't even know you.

you've had a lot of scary situations with stalkers, - where people have come on to your property. - yeah. that's probably the worst. you're right. that's the worst part of-- you know, that's interesting, because i block that kind of stuff. i try not to focus on all that stuff, but one of the toughest things about being a celebrity is all the security that we now have to have, which is extraordinary. and all the times that somebody has tried to, you know, break into a house. kim's robbery in paris, which was so hard, that i still haven't been back. you know, and that was my favorite-- one of my favorite cities in the world. what i think happened now, after, like, thinking about it so much, is that there was probably a group of guys that were following us the entire trip. i was snapchatting that everyone was going out, and that i was there by myself. kim has been so strong for the rest of us, but that taught us a lot of lessons. it's all replaceable. none of it matters.

just you. do you ever just wanna go out looking like crap? yes! yes, i do, actually. funny you should mention that. i would love to do that. but you really can't, can you? well, you know. - it's kind of off-brand. - it's-- no, it's not that it's off-brand. here's what happens. if i go, like, to the market, and i have no makeup on and my sweats, then you have all those people who go, "will you just take one picture?" - and then you've got this picture, - right. because of the negativity, like posted on the internet going, "doesn't kris jenner look like ( bleep ) today?" or, you know, "she's old," or, you know-- i don't want any negative stuff, so that's kind of a drag. you have used your celebrity, and your family has, to do some pretty great things. and you're doing something in watts right now - yes. - that's really meaningful. yeah, at the watts community center. thank you guys all so much for welcoming us into your community. and so we're so proud that you guys get to see

really all the amazing things my mom and corey have done to set up this center. kris: justin, who i met and just fell in love with, because he took a situation and a space, down in watts in los angeles that all these kids and families depended on, especially for after-school activities, and the community-- and the city, you know, were gonna take it away, because of funding. so, our-- my passion right now is refurbishing the community center, which we've got a real good start on, and now we wanna build a baseball field, and a playground, and, you know, the sky's the limit. so, we're getting together some friends and hopefully pull this together. but it's such a great cause, and, you know, every one of us has that, which i love about my family, is everybody's got something that they're really passionate about that they really wanna make a difference. i am so happy and honored

that you did this with me, and i really mean that. - thank you, harvey. - i really, really mean that. - thank you for doing this. - thank you. - thank you so much. - love you. - thank you. thank you so much. - thank you. thank you. harvey levin: the objects people choose to keep in their home define who they are. this is... - always. welcome to my home. - so good to seeing you. i'm harvey levin, this is the story of one of the most successful and recognizable stars on tv, with ratings that even top oprah. - are we understanding each other? - yes. - you're an idiot! - ( laughter ) judy: and a scammer. harvey: but life wasn't always easy. her career was put on ice, thanks to her husband. he always viewed my job as a hobby. harvey: divorce led to a judgeship, and that opened a golden door. on your best day, you're not as smart as i am on my worst day. ( audience laughing ) harvey: she's fierce, but... are you a feminist? i don't think so. i don't think so.