ivoting their business different. what we're going through now will be more than just lessons their businesses to fight the outbreak of covid-19. learned. it will be things available to he also mix it up with reporters us that we did not have before. again. let's get the update from edward >> okay. please, go ahead. lawrence who is in washington with more. >> thank you, mr. president. edward. reporter: president donald trump said it is critical that we follow the guidelines he laid scott gottlieb, the former fda out. in fact he said it could make commissioner wrote a road map all the difference in the next about recovery from the 30 days. coronavirus. listen to this. >> i saw it. >> he suggests, the road map >> by very vigorously following these guidelines we could save suggests that everybody wear a more than one million american mask in public. is that something that the task lives. victory, we have no other force thinks is a good idea? choice. everyone of us has a role to >> we haven't discussed it to play in winning this war. that extent and something we'll certainly discuss. reporter: the president saying that the experts told him they we're talking about the number believe that the number of about of masks that you need. deaths could peak right around we're in the process of talking about things. eastertime which is why he moved i saw his suggestion on that. that date to now april 30th we'll steak a look at it. for a period of time. going forward. not forever. we want our country back. he also paraded out a number of we'll not be wearing masks ceo's that changed their forever but could be for a short corporate business what they were making like underwear and period of time after we get back into gear. i could see something like that clothes to those masks that were needed, personal protective wear happening for a period of time. but i would hope it would be a and medical equipment. you know as all of this is

very limited period of time. doctors, they will come back and happening the president putting say for the rest of our lives we into place the u.s. naval ship have to wear masks. comfort that ship is in new york reporter: the road map also city docked, there it is you see talks about doing gps for social in the video. a site normally seen off the coast of other countries hit by distancing. following people's phones and a natural disaster but in this hotels for isolation for people. case the coronavirus so giving them free hotel rooms. overwhelmed new york hospitals that patients without the virus are those ideas that you're are moved to the hospital ship looking at? >> the gps, that is a very so the beds in the hospitals can severe idea. i've been hearing about it. be used for virus. what happens a siren goes off if as banks dish out hundreds of millions of dollars in loans you get too close to somebody? backed by the federal that is pretty severe. he was with me for a long time. government, entire sectors helped by the u.s. treasury, the he did a great job at fda. president is appointing a new so we're going, we're taking a inspector general to oversee the look. loans. i just received it a little the senate will confirm that while ago. person. in a statement on friday the he sent it over. white house saying there will be so very good. go ahead. presidential supervision over let's give it a shot. >> sir what do you say to the information that is given out by that inspector general to americans who are upset with you over the way you downplayed this congress. the president also talking with crisis over the last couple of months? we have it very much under control in this country, the russian president vladmir putin who he said in the news coronavirus is very much under conference that russia gave the control in the usa. it is going to disappear. united states number of protect it is like a miracle. tiff medical equipment.

it will disappear. on the conference they talked about how to combat globally the march 4th, we have a very small number of people in this country infected. coronavirus as well as dealing with other global issues. march 10th, we're prepared. the president saying that he we're doing a great job with it. talked to him specifically about it will go away. venezuela and the dire need to just stay calm, it will go away. what do you say to americans who stablize the energy markets. as you know that oil, the oil believe you got this wrong? prices continue to drop. >> i do want them to stay calm back to you, liz. and we are doing a great job. if you look at those individual elizabeth: edward lawrence, thank you for the update. statements they're all true. let's welcome my next guest. stay calm. it will go away. it is arizona senator martha you know, you know it is going mcsally who joins us. away and it will go away. also the senator is the first we'll have a great victory. and it is people like you and female fighter pilot to fly in cnn that say things like that, combat. senator, thanks so much for joining you. that it is why people don't want >> how are you, liz? elizabeth: i'm good. we're hanging in here. to listen to cnn you could ask a senator, officials warn no city normal question. the statements are made, i want will be spared. to keep the country calm. cases breaking out in the i don't want pan mick in the midwest, in the south. country. i could cause panic much better now we have 28 states with shelter in place orders for than even you. it would make you look like a 200 million americans. minor league player. we're talking about the worst of you know what? i don't want to do that. it is going to hit two weeks i want to have our country be away from now. calm and strong and fight and more than half the economy in win and it will go away. shelter in place. where does this lead? and it is incredible the job all where do you think this is going

in terms of the president's plan of these people are doing, putting them all together, the to potentially get us out and job they're doing. i am very proud of the job reopen by june 1st? they're doing, that mike pence he is talking now, we'll be in is doing, that the task force has done. recovery, but he needs to get the governors to lift their that honeywell and proctor & gamble and mike and shelter in place orders. all of these people have done. he doesn't have the power. i'm very proud. it is almost a miracle, and it is the way it has all come >> i am in arizona. last time i talked to you i was together and instead of a asking a nasty, snarky question like in d.c. and we're collaborating that, you should ask a real with the governor and also with our local leaders this is an all question, and other than that i will go to somebody else, hands on deck but we're seeing please, go ahead. the virus hit at different rates across the country. reporter: you expressed some which still need more testing capability here in arizona and i concern in the past that medical supplies were going out the think the more we learn about backdoor and that perhaps some this virus the experts have shared, understanding how it hospitals were doing things behaves, how it spreads, i think worse -- >> i expressed what was told to me by tremendous power in the if we can get to a place to for business. he said that at a new york example, test every health care hospital for a long period of worker when they go on shift or time he was giving 10,000, maybe every nurse in a nursing home or skilled nursing facility, we maximum 20,000 masks over a have a better understand hog has short time and all of sudden he the virus and no longer does. is giving 300,000. perhaps they are immune as we're and i said, no matter how bad studying some antibodies, that

this is, could that be possible? is happening here at the he said, no. university of arizona and tests there is only couple things could happen. happening to maybe harnessing is it going out the backdoor? anti-bodies to help the front and i reported it to the city and let the city take a look at line health care workers. arizona gets hot pretty soon. it. but when you go from 10,000 we don't know whether the heat masks to 300,000 masks, mike, will impact this virus along with similar ones. there is a lot of questions as over the same period of time, we see local, state and federal there is something going on. decisions because this is now i'm not making any charges impacting at different rates. but when everyone is looking for although we understand how important it is for us to be socially distancing in order to save other people's lives. masks, that is another thing, we're making a lot of masks and elizabeth: they are tightening the sterilization process will the borders of florida and texas save a lot of time and a lot of calling for travelers from the masks but when you have the biggest distributor of product new york met crow area to that distributes to many of the self-quarantine for two weeks. i want to move on to this. big hospitals and hospital johnson & johnson now says human testing of the vaccine to begin chains, and he brings up a in september. statistic like that, and you newspapers like know you're trying to make a big "the washington post" quoting health experts saying we can't deal out of it, but you do this forever. shouldn't be. leader of france saying that we you should go to the hospital to find out why. can't shut down forever. you shouldn't be asking me. we need to have an economy to i'm just saying that is the way pay for the cures, to pay for it is. you should go over there as a public health. great reporter. so that is an excruciating i have no idea who you are, that decision to be made.

is okay. infectious disease specialists you should go over there, go to the hospital and find out, how talking about reopening plan, come you used to get 10,000 out of the american enterprise institute, to what you're saying masks and you had a full they're talking about testing hospital? new york city, always full. and how come now you have 750,000 americans. do you think that is enough? 300,000 masks despite the virus >> i, we need to get to a place and all, how do you go from 10 where the development of the vaccines need to continue. i think at last count there is to 300,000? this is very serious stuff. about a dozen efforts going on. i could see from 10 to 20 or another one here in arizona at from 10 to 40 or 50 or something arizona state university. but how do you go from 10 to that ultimately is going to be able to defeat this disease but 300,000 masks? sew what i think you should do, in the meantime we need to i'm sure a wonderful continue to be investing in the investigative reporter you should go to the hospital to treatments, the trials, for the find out why? anti-virals, harnessing steve, please? antibodies, plasma, all the reporter: [inaudible]. things you're hearing about. we can't wait until the fall. >> well it is so bad for the we can't wait until 2021. we want to make sure whatever economy but the economy is number two on my list. treatments we're using are safe. but they are fast tracking these i want to save a lot of lives. trials so that we can get we'll get the economy back. through the next weeks and i think the economy is boeing to months. ultimately defeat this virus and comeback very fast. steve is asking about the a vaccine will protect but we economy, what is it like? also need to study obviously if we basically shut down our country and we did that in order

it is mutating whether the to keep people separated, keep vaccine will be impactful next year this is what all the experts, the greatest mind in people apart, they're not in america are on this. i'm very proud of their efforts. things are moving faster than we've ever seen before because this is such a critical offices or in airplanes. situation and so many lives are 150 other countries are on the line. basically shut down. we had the greatest economy in elizabeth: you know the the world. we had the greatest economy in president again mixing it up the history of our country. with reporters in the rose garden there pushing back on the i had to go for doing a great job for three years to shutting president, on statements from it down. you know what? people like larry kudlow saying it was contained when it wasn't. we're going to build it up and those questions continue to come we'll build it up rapidly. up in these press conferences. i think in the end we'll be how do you think the president stronger for it. we learned a lot. is doing handling those we learned a lot. questions? >> well, i think people realize we have a great relationships with a lot of country. china sent us some stuff which this is an unprecedented waster -- was terrific. situation and i think all of us are learning a lot about this, this stopping of the travel from russia sent a large plain load china, was significant and did of things which was terrific, buy us some time. there will be a time for us to which was very nice. debrief. we do this in the military but other countries sent us things i while you're in a war it is time was very surprised at, happily for you to be taking notes but surprised. we're learning a lot, we're looking forward and not back and learning a lot. figuring out how we can all work

and we're also learning the concept of borders is very together in a unified way, not a important, steve, it is very important. divisive way. having borders is very, very everybody is giving their all important. here. we all have the same objective but we have done an incredible to save lives, to protect our front line health care workers job. the economy is going to come to save the greatest generation. back. my focus is saving lives. that is the only focus i can people can take notes. have. let's do a debrief later. we'll bring the economy back and for right now let's break down we'll bring it back fast. the barriers, get more solutions yeah, please. out there, get more equipment reporter: follow up. out there to our front line >> please. reporter: thank you, heroes. do everything we have can to mr. president. you said several times that the defeat this thing. united states has ramped up testing. elizabeth: yeah. 2020 hindsight, monday morning talk a little quicker, a little louder. mr. president, you said several quarterbacking, just not right times that the united states has now. save it for later until we get, rahmped up testing but the when we get out of this. the governor of michigan is also united states is still not testing per capita as many saying what you're saying too. people as other countries like senator mcsally, thanks for south korea. joining us. why is that and when do you we ran out of time. think that number will be on par we have to go to commercial with other countries and -- break. senator mcsally will be back >> it is very much on par. with us. we'll have more. stay with us. look, per capita. we have the areas of the country -- i know south korea than anybody. it is very tight. you know how many people are in seoul. do you know how big the city of

seoul is? 38 million people. it is bigger than anything we have. 38 million people all tightly wound together. we have vast farmlands. we have vast areas where they don't have much of a problem. in some cases they have no problem whatsoever. we have done more tests. i didn't talk about per capita. we have done more tests by far than any country in the world, by far. our test something also better than any country in the world. and when you look at that as simple as that looks, that is something that is a game-changer and every country wants that, every country. so rather than asking a question like that you should congratulate the people that have done this testing because we inherited, this administration inherited a broken system, a system that was obsolete. a system that didn't work. it was okay for a tiny, small group of people but once you got beyond that it didn't work. we have built an incredible system to the fact well we have now done more tests than any

other country in the world and now the technology is really booming. i spoke to, i spoke to a lot. i will not mention. i spoke to a number of different testing companies today, and the job they have done and the job they're doing is incredible but when abbott comes out does this so quickly, it is really unreal. in fact one company i have to say that stands out in the job, i think i can say this, i don't want to insult anybody else but roche. roche has been incredible in the testing job they have done and they're ramping it up exponentially. it is up, up, up, you should be saying congratulations instead of asking a really snarky question because i know exactly what you mean by that you should be saying congratulations to the men and women who have done this job, who have inherited a broken testing system and who have made great. and if you don't say it i will say it. i want to congratulate all of

beyond the routine checkups. the people. you have done a fantastic job. beyond the not-so-routine cases. we will see you all tomorrow. thank you very much. comcast business is helping doctors thank you. provide care in whole new ways. elizabeth: okay. all working with a new generation of technologies i'm elizabeth macdonald. this is the evening edit. powered by our gig-speed network. the president just wrapping up because beyond technology... there is human ingenuity. the rose garden meeting with the coronavirus task force, giving every day, comcast business is helping businesses the peoe garden where go beyond the expected. they were joined by several key to do the extraordinary. take your business beyond.

♪. elizabeth: welcome back. joining me now is wells -- joining me now is wells fargo senior economist mark vitner. mark, thanks for joining us. mark, we just had the president just speak moments ago in the rose garden. we know that seattle, he is talking about areas of the country that are still under duress and other positives. seattle we know hasn't turned the corner but it has slowed transmission. the cases and deaths are leveling off there. the pressure is easing up on hospitals there. reinfection dropping from to 1.4 from 2.7. the president is keeping social distancing, companies he cited them, stepping up in the rose garden to help out. your reaction to the lay of the land right now? >> i think we still have aways to go. seattle remember was one of the first places the infection

showed up here in the u.s. i certainly agreed with what the president said last night where he extended the social distancing guidelines through april. you know, i hope that we're going to see a peak by then. one of the ways i like to look at, i look at europe as a whole, looking at major countries in europe and looking at the infection rates there. we saw the covid-19 cases pick up two weeks there before they did in the u.s., they still haven't peaked but we have seen the curve ever so slightly begin to bend a little bit. elizabeth: you know what we're seeing now, there is a real border to border, countrywide effort to get medical supplies done and into the hospital system. governors in colorado, new jersey, minnesota, are demanding state medical universities, even auto repair shops, to step up with what kinds of supplies they have in the way of masks and gowns they can give, including construction workers to give to hospitals.

we are now seeing, mark, it is really interesting, teva is giving six million doses, 30 million doses of hydroxychlorquine, and 10 million doses by drugmakers. corporate america, we're not being pollyannaish here. we're reporting on companies like honeywell, jockey, just in the rose garden moments ago saying they're stepping up to make hospital supplies. you're take on that? >> it is truly heroic. it is not just u.s. companies but it is great to see many u.s. companies stepping up. we have a lot of companies around the world joining is. the pharmaceutical industry is spread across the whole world these days. elizabeth: you know, it is an excruciating tradeoff as we were saying moments ago with senator mcsally. the president of france said it is impossible to quarantine and cure people if we don't have the economy to pay for the cures and vaccines. the debate, open up and slam the

health system or stay shut and stay shut down for now, to stop it because, economists keep saying this, is the toughest call. poverty kills too. plus it drains state and local governments of money to pay for public health. so, to keep the lights on, to pay for firemen, cops, emt workers, it is only seems like a painful exit strategy here, mark. >> you're absolutely right. we have to really finesse this. we have to finesse it in a way we can somehow get ahold of the virus in a way that we can minimize the outbreak, get it into remission. then we can really start thinking about opening up the economy but we really, we have to do that ahead of time t. we have to plan how we will open up the economy. you heard a little bit of the president's press conference where he mentioned, that yes it is possible when we do open up the economy that most people may have to wear masks for some time. but, ramping up testing is a big

part of that because we'll have to test folks before they go back and are reduced into the economy because we've seen in some countries, after we see a spike in infections, they have slowed and surged again. we certainly don't want to see that. elizabeth: you know, what you're saying, the governor of new york also talking about reopening in the smartest way possible with a modified public health strategy that dovetails with a get back to work strategy. that means we would have to do way more contact tracing than we are now. we need a lot of things to get going in this country. we need workers at nuclear power plants. we have to protect the nuclear power plant too. that is something on the radar screen in washington. so going forward, mark, what's your take what is going to happen with the u.s. economy as we remain in shutdown? 27 states, many cities and counties? what is your take on the jobless

report coming up on friday? >> the friday jobs report will probably not tell us that much. conditions really worse renned in the week after that employment survey was taken t will be a weak report but not pick up the millions of layoffs that have taken place since the survey week. but my take is, that we are probably two to three weeks before we see the peak in infections in the united states if we continue guidelines in place right now and people adhere to them. i think two or three weeks we'll see it peak. it will then begin to come back down and that is the party where we need to focus how we're going to restart the economy. how we are going to interact at work. it may be folks will have to alternate days in certain professions or work at home or work at the office. we'll have to figure all that out. individual businesses are going to have to figure that out. elizabeth: mark vitner, thank you so much for joining us.

mark vitner of wells fargo. coming up later in the show we have got more on top government dr. anthony fauci saying states will get what they need as democrat governor of michigan calls for a stop to the politicizing. put that in the rear view mirror please. let's move on to fix the country. the criticism about monday morning quarterbacking warning it is not helping. we'll debate it and talk about it with kelly bolar with the independent women's forum coming up. if you're the spouse of a military veteran, here's money saving news from newday usa. your spouse's va streamline refi benefit lets you easily refinance when mortgage rates drop. and they just dropped to the lowest in newday's history.

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♪. elizabeth: let's welcome my next guest, chairman of medicine at st. joseph university. dr. robert lahita. he is on the phone. thank you, doctor. this virus is being called the zombie virus. johns hopkins experts say it is not a living organism, it is a protein molecule covered by a protective layer of fat. that is the difficulty of dealing with this thing to try to stop it. what treatment do you see are best working right now? >> let me address the idea of a zombie virus. i think all viruses are kind of particulate matter this is a strand of rna covered by a protein. whether there are fats on the surface is another question but the protein is what we're trying to target to get a rapid test

right now. but the second part of your question was therapy. there is a paper out of france about hydroxychlorquine, bet and asithromax. they're is a way of the drug operates preventing the cells coming into the lungs. that is very, very important. a lot of people have recovered because of hydrox syplaconil and a zithromax. there are therapies like remdesivir, but you have to have a research protocol we're doing to get that drug which is only released to a few institutions. >> that is a good point. doctor, we're running out of time. we were covering the rose garden

press conference there are eight drugs in development. sorry we're out of time. glad to have you back. let's talk to independent women's forum, kelsey bolar. >> -- elizabeth: thank you for joining us. we know you're on delay. dr. fauci says states will get what they need. the governor of michigan, governor witmer saying we're all in this together. we're all in this together. the common enemy is covid-19. stop the politicizing, the stop criticism, or the monday morning quarterbacking. what is your' action to that? >> i think it is very understandable, americans are looking for someone to blame. a lot of that is coming out of the different political factions in the united states. when you look back to ask who is really to blame for this, nobody besides the communist party in china. that is something that americans of all different political perspectives can and should

unite around, the fact they are the ones to blame for this, not each other here in the united states where we have private industry, public government, different levels of government, coming together to be creative and try to get hospitals all, the equipment they need in order to take care of both themselves and the american people. elizabeth: yeah, ramp up the testing. get the supplies in to the doctors, get the vaccines, drugs, going. that is working. you know, again we don't, nobody wants to be politicizing this right now. it is not a political fight. it is a medical fight. because 2020 hindsight is always feels good to go that route but democrats, the criticism coming towards them, these are the facts. they also said keep going outside. get back to normal. go about your lives, right when the pandemic was escalating. new york city mayor de blasio said that. nancy pelosi said that when she went to chinatown in

san francisco. also a top new orleans official, a week before mardi gras said, told the public that the risk is low, there is no concern. watch these sound bites. >> well 8.6 million people here. we have 25 cases as of this morning. we care deeply about each of those individuals, but against the backdrop of 8.6 million people, the vast majority of new yorkers life is going on pretty normally right now. we want to encourage that. but if you're under 50 and you're healthy, which is most new yorkers, there is very little threat here. >> would you like to say to people, come to chinatown. here we are. we're again, careful to say -- come join us. >> there is no concern at this time for coronavirus in our region. that is director -- told us this morning. we have been made aware there are not any cases. the risk for us is very low at this time.

elizabeth: hindsight is 2020. if they knew then what they know now, may have sent a very different message. that is fair for anybody who is elected office right now, right? that is fair to say, no? >> there is plenty of blame to go around, but i think if you look back at the timeline, president trump did shut down travel between china and the united states at the end of january. that is also when he formed the task force. it took nancy pelosi, the leader of the democrat party until late february, a month after we had our first case of coronavirus in the united states to even make a public comment about this, because unfortunately she was too focused on political impeachment games that were still playing out all threw january. through january. it is tempting to play politics through this, tempting to blame. we need to remember only people really to blame for this is the communist government in china because we have seen multiple

studies told us the epidemic, could have been contained if they were open, hon in the h -- honest with government officials with the world health organization. instead they covered it up and it turned into the global epidemic we're grappling with today. elizabeth: kelsey, final question about that. the leader of china, president xi is now talking about basically saying to the g20, lift your trade restrictions on us, lift tariffs on us. we want to help deliver medical supplies. they sent planes into the united states with medical supplies. but they're also saying we want more information about your medical data inside of your own country's borders so we can help figure out what is going on with we have individual -- covid-19. china is positioning itself to dominate this part of the

debate. what is your reaction to what china is doing there? >> if china wants to help different countries throughout this crisis but that is certainly welcome but americans, any country, for that matter should not trust any data or any information in fact coming out of china regarding how they're able to help and so forth. we snow they have lied all throughout this epidemic. they have cover the it up. they have made this crisis worse. what they're working on is the propaganda effort to try to cover up the coverup. they're trying to use, these news stories about them attempting to help other countries via medical supplies and what not to try to make it seem as though this is not their fault but the truth is, this is all their fault, we need to be very clear when we talk about it, this is the coronavirus, crisis is a direct result of the way communist chinese government decided to handle it and cover it up. elizabeth: okay. kelsey bolar, thanks for joining us. appreciate it.

>> thank you. elizabeth: okay, just ahead the big debate. the world needs the data to drive policy but that bombshell study from the imperial college of london that panicked the world, it was used to lock down whole states and whole countries, more on what we brought you last week on why the author of it is backtracking on it now. we have got ohio congressman, he is a doctor. dr. brad wenstrup is with me on that story next. stay there. my age-related macular degeneration could lead to vision loss.

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jo staying own the story, the white house is saying potentially, 100,000, 200,000 fatalities up-and-coming in the united states because of the covid-19 outbreak. this is a serious situation. it is about saving lives? it is also about getting data to make policy decisions here. now that bombshell study from the imperial college of london we brought you last week that basically shocked the world. the author now says he didn't model correctly for human reactions to pandemic. he is now backtracking from his initial prediction which said about half a million deaths in the uk. and he said possibly millions in the u.s. but you now says 20,000 fatalities in the uk, possibly even less than that. joining me now on the phone is ohio congressman, he is dr. brad

wenstrup. thanks for joining us, congressman. your reaction? that is quite a reversal with the imperial college of london, sir. >> that is one of the reasons that i have not been out talking about numbers from a lot of the models, there are some things involved here. if there are numbers what you might expect, they were maybe coming down the road, keep in mind what we're trying to do is fall way under those numbers, taking actions to do that. one of the problems we have with prevention you never can really measure it. we know how many die. we don't know how many may have been saved by prevention. george bailey in the it's a wonderful life, was only one that got to see what he prevented. it is important that with data that you be accurate and when we look at numbers were there other underlying conditions part of this problem? we need to look how things are geographically and where they are. certainly good to try to predict where things might be headed

but, at the same time, we have to understand the negatives so that we can proceed postively and proactively. and not chaotically. so that is why i tried to stay away from those numbers. i read those models. i see them. but i take some of them with a grain of salt and understand what we're trying to do, ohio has been very aggressive, is make sure those numbers don't come true. elizabeth: right. so you know, also, to what you just said the imperial college of london also now says that more than half of the expected, terrible to talk in this way, more than half of the expected fatalities in the uk, he is saying 20,000, they may have passed away anyway even without covid-19 because they were very sick. it is interesting, 99% of the fatalities in italy, those cases had pretty bad preexisting conditions. what is really also interesting, too, neil ferguson, the author

of the imperial college study, said it is impractical to lock down for a year or 18 months, because it would slam the economy, it would destroy the public health system you need to help people. instead you will pay for decade to come if you make that decision. your reaction to that? >> these are challenging times and no one is taking any of these deaths lightly. i think the president answered it correctly when he said how many deaths are acceptable and he said none. unfortunately the fact of the matter some people will pass away from this. i do worry about secondary effects if we have things shut down for so long. one of the terms i don't like when we say, oh, those who have essential jobs can go back to work. well, if you're not in one of those jobs, does that mean you're not an essential type of worker? and so it is how we say things. and we also have to be concerned about people being able to get their regular care. and so if we slow everything

down to the point where everyone is in poverty, how are they getting to doctors? how are they letting the health stay up to a level that it should be? then all of sudden you have more and more people are weak and more people getting sick. it is a fine line. it is not easy but it is a big part of -- elizabeth: it is tough. >> we're learning a lot in this whole process so that i hope we will be prepared. go ahead, i'm sorry. elizabeth: i want to get some, forgive me a ray of hope, some optimism here. oxford university is saying that they are estimating that anywhere from 40% to 60% of the uk population is already immune. that we may be in the late-stages of this pandemic. that's why you need serology and blood tests to see about antibodies and immunities. dr. fauci is confident that many people may have immunity now. so you know also equating it to the 1957, 196 8 asian flu

outbreaks. your take on antibodies and immunities. your analysis there? >> i've been looking into this deeply with doctors and researchers. some of this stuff is not really new but a matter of bringing the ideas around but when we look at decisions we have to look at the state of treatment, which is what you're talking about. what are some of the rescue drugs? is the hydroxychlorquine able to help people or prevent them from needing ventilators as they are on the road to recovery? take a look and other things we can do now, other diagnostics of ct of the lung and blood work we can look at. whether a patient's white count is dropping which it does with this. a substance, il-6 could be a good marker where people are. also where they are in building up the anti-body. what we do know igm is one much the immunoglobulins, and igd.

igg is ultimately used for someone romped for the convalescent plasma that you're hearing about. mount sinai is using some of that. i would like all the communities set up to be prepared having data knowing who has it, who recovered so we could harvest that tool. elizabeth: interesting. congressman, brad wenstrup. thanks for joining us. great to see you and great to have you on. >> my pleasure. elizabeth: same here. next up retired army major general robert scales on china, the leader of china telling the g20 last week that china's actions to help, are quote charitable and demanding that all g20 members take collective actions that would benefit the chinese party. that story is next with general scales. stay there. r: there are everyday actions to help prevent the spread of respiratory diseases. wash your hands. avoid close contact with people who are sick.

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elizabeth: china's president xi h xi told the g20 that china's actions are quote, charitiable. demanded that all g20 members take collective actions that would benefit the chinese economist party, cut tariffs, unfettered flow of trade into china. retired major general robert scales. general, your reaction to that? >> hi, liz. boy, tell you, it is amazing to me, amazing to me how dictatorships are no inefficient when they deal with crises but the narrative they put out, always paints them in a positive fashion and denigrates the achievements of the democracy. one thing we learned is a

political system best able to deal with crises is a democracy, not a dictatorship like the chinese communist party. elizabeth: general, president xi of china also proposed a global network of control and treatment that would be run by china, led by him. he wants china to have full access to all medical data inside of countries including the maybe even intellectual property related to manufacturers of supplies. these are the demands he is now making, your reaction to that? >> how thinly-veiled is this? what he is trying to do, steal a march on the west. china is notorious for stealing the intellectual property of the west, particularly in the united states. this is an attempt basically and in the international market for the narrative to sort of find an official way to gain intellectual property that belonged to others.

no, what we have to do in the future, is once this is over, regain our status and our ability to manufacture pharmaceuticals that we overwhelmingly in the united states are the ones who develop in our laboratories. that should be the mission. not to pander to the chinese and give them credit that they don't deserve because after all, they must be held accountable for what they did back in february and early march. elizabeth: general, here's the thing, i'm just been studying this and researching this. going back to the 1980s, since the hiv aids crisis there have been multiple epidemiological and infectious disease experts going to congress saying you need a pandemic plan. you need to have a plan, congress, set up and launched now to boost the national stockpile of medical supplies, drugs and vaccines. you need to have a response plan. that goes back to the 80s.

that clinton administration ad for it. i'm looking for republican and democrat administrations talked about it. but nothing has been done. i know about the national stockpile but it is not up to snuff to handle this outbreak. this is a story. the "politico" ran out, gao, osha, looked into it. get it up and now, a pandemic plan surge. now we're doing it ad hoc on the fly. that is what is happening now. >> here's the thing, liz, compared to buying stealth fighters and compared to, say the defense budget, all in all, this is cheap. we're talking about masks and gowns and stockpiling, medical devices to confront a future epidemic like this. so this is something that is cheap and easy to organize. we simply haven't given it the importance that it is deserved in the past. we have learned our lesson. next time, god forbid, this happens, we'll be ready.

elizabeth: well, yeah, because now 80% of drug chemicals are manufactured in china. so the president is saying we have to move some of that manufacturing of drugs back home. there was a fight over faulty test kits. general, i don't know if you saw this. china has been making test kits to test for covid-19. spain turned them back. czech republic turned them back. taiwan turned them back for being flawed. 70% error rates. not catching covid-19. that is test kits coming out of china. your take on that? >> this is where the narrative deviates from the facts thank god, spain had enough backbone to stand up to the chinese. the chinese tell a great story. they brag about the efficiency of the chinese communist party, when it comes to deliver throughout the history of the chinese communist party, not just during this disaster the chinese almost always come up

short. we need to tone back the narrative, forget about the rhetoric and focus on what the chinese can do, but more importantly, focus on what we can do. we need federal intervention, to make sure that in the future we produce our own pharmaceuticals. that we're not held captive by some dictatorship for the health of the american people. it is not right. elizabeth: yes, so it sounds like you would support senator marsha blackburn and tom cotton and representative jim banks and seth moulton. they are announced in a press reese working on legislation to hold accountable for allowing the wuhan outbreak to become a global apozeme epidemic. they want them to ramp up america's medicine cabinet. make drugs here in the united states. potentially 100 thousands of jobs here in the u.s. your final word on that? >> that is absolutely right. the key praise, phrase, hold them accountable for what they

did. this is how dictatorships operate. that is why they're inherently inefficient. the united states can manufacture drugs far more efficiently and far more reliably to higher quality than the chinese. put federal money in the bank to jump-start this effort. elizabeth: okay. general scales, thank you so much for joining us. come back soon. we love having you on. general scales. thank you for our service -- your service to our country, general. thank you for watching. thank you for having us watching in your homes. lou dobbs is next. have a good evening. starts now. lou: good evening, president trump is expected to take podium at the white house briefing room. any moment now. it will not be the briefing room as you see there, it will be the

rose garden, he is his coronavirus task force continuing to deliver critical information to the american people about where we are in this great battle against the wuhan virus. as of this hour, the virus has killed at least 2880 americans. and there are almos almost 157,0 cases in country tonight,