will be more than just lessons learned. it will be things available to us that we did not have before. >> okay. please, go ahead. >> thank you, mr. president. scott gottlieb, the former fda commissioner wrote a road map about recovery from the coronavirus. >> i saw it. >> he suggests, the road map suggests that everybody wear a mask in public. is that something that the task force thinks is a good idea? >> we haven't discussed it to that extent and something we'll certainly discuss. we're talking about the number about of masks that you need. we're in the process of talking about things. i saw his suggestion on that. we'll steak a look at it. for a period of time. not forever. we want our country back. we'll not be wearing masks forever but could be for a short period of time after we get back into gear. i could see something like that happening for a period of time. but i would hope it would be a very limited period of time.

doctors, they will come back and say for the rest of our lives we have to wear masks. reporter: the road map also talks about doing gps for social distancing. following people's phones and hotels for isolation for people. giving them free hotel rooms. are those ideas that you're looking at? >> the gps, that is a very severe idea. i've been hearing about it. what happens a siren goes off if you get too close to somebody? that is pretty severe. he was with me for a long time. he did a great job at fda. so we're going, we're taking a look. i just received it a little while ago. he sent it over. so very good. go ahead. let's give it a shot. >> sir what do you say to americans who are upset with you over the way you downplayed this crisis over the last couple of months? we have it very much under control in this country, the coronavirus is very much under control in the usa. it is going to disappear. it is like a miracle. it will disappear.

march 4th, we have a very small number of people in this country infected. march 10th, we're prepared. we're doing a great job with it. it will go away. just stay calm, it will go away. what do you say to americans who believe you got this wrong? >> i do want them to stay calm and we are doing a great job. if you look at those individual statements they're all true. stay calm. it will go away. you know, you know it is going away and it will go away. we'll have a great victory. and it is people like you and cnn that say things like that, that it is why people don't want to listen to cnn you could ask a normal question. the statements are made, i want to keep the country calm. i don't want pan mick in the country. i could cause panic much better than even you. it would make you look like a minor league player. you know what? i don't want to do that. i want to have our country be calm and strong and fight and win and it will go away. and it is incredible the job all of these people are doing,

putting them all together, the job they're doing. i am very proud of the job they're doing, that mike pence is doing, that the task force has done. that honeywell and proctor & gamble and mike and all of these people have done. i'm very proud. it is almost a miracle, and it is the way it has all come together and instead of a asking a nasty, snarky question like that, you should ask a real question, and other than that i will go to somebody else, please, go ahead. reporter: you expressed some concern in the past that medical supplies were going out the backdoor and that perhaps some hospitals were doing things worse -- >> i expressed what was told to me by tremendous power in the business. he said that at a new york hospital for a long period of time he was giving 10,000, maybe maximum 20,000 masks over a short time and all of sudden he is giving 300,000. and i said, no matter how bad this is, could that be possible?

he said, no. there is only couple things could happen. is it going out the backdoor? and i reported it to the city and let the city take a look at it. but when you go from 10,000 masks to 300,000 masks, mike, over the same period of time, there is something going on. now i'm not making any charges but when everyone is looking for masks, that is another thing, we're making a lot of masks and the sterilization process will save a lot of time and a lot of masks but when you have the biggest distributor of product that distributes to many of the big hospitals and hospital chains, and he brings up a statistic like that, and you know you're trying to make a big deal out of it, but you shouldn't be. you should go to the hospital to find out why. you shouldn't be asking me. i'm just saying that is the way it is. you should go over there as a great reporter. i have no idea who you are, that is okay. you should go over there, go to

the hospital and find out, how come you used to get 10,000 masks and you had a full hospital? new york city, always full. and how come now you have 300,000 masks despite the virus and all, how do you go from 10 to 300,000? this is very serious stuff. i could see from 10 to 20 or from 10 to 40 or 50 or something but how do you go from 10 to 300,000 masks? sew what i think you should do, i'm sure a wonderful investigative reporter you should go to the hospital to find out why? steve, please? reporter: [inaudible]. >> well it is so bad for the economy but the economy is number two on my list. i want to save a lot of lives. we'll get the economy back. i think the economy is boeing to comeback very fast. steve is asking about the economy, what is it like? we basically shut down our country and we did that in order to keep people separated, keep

people apart, they're not in offices or in airplanes. 150 other countries are basically shut down. we had the greatest economy in the world. we had the greatest economy in the history of our country. i had to go for doing a great job for three years to shutting it down. you know what? we're going to build it upi thie stronger for it. we learned a lot. we learned a lot. we have a great relationships with a lot of country. china sent us some stuff which waster -- was terrific. russia sent a large plain load of things which was terrific, which was very nice. other countries sent us things i was very surprised at, happily surprised. we're learning a lot, we're learning a lot. and we're also learning the concept of borders is very

important, steve, it is very important. having borders is very, very important. but we have done an incredible job. the economy is going to come back. my focus is saving lives. that is the only focus i can have. we'll bring the economy back and we'll bring it back fast. yeah, please. reporter: follow up. >> please. reporter: thank you, mr. president. you said several times that the united states has ramped up testing. talk a little quicker, a little louder. mr. president, you said several times that the united states has rahmped up testing but the united states is still not testing per capita as many people as other countries like south korea. why is that and when do you think that number will be on par with other countries and -- >> it is very much on par. look, per capita. we have the areas of the country -- i know south korea than anybody. it is very tight. you know how many people are in seoul. do you know how big the city of seoul is? 38 million people.

it is bigger than anything we have. 38 million people all tightly wound together. we have vast farmlands. we have vast areas where they don't have much of a problem. in some cases they have no problem whatsoever. we have done more tests. i didn't talk about per capita. we have done more tests by far than any country in the world, by far. our test something also better than any country in the world. and when you look at that as simple as that looks, that is something that is a game-changer and every country wants that, every country. so rather than asking a question like that you should congratulate the people that have done this testing because we inherited, this administration inherited a broken system, a system that was obsolete. a system that didn't work. it was okay for a tiny, small group of people but once you got beyond that it didn't work. we have built an incredible system to the fact well we have now done more tests than any other country in the world and now the technology is really

booming. i spoke to, i spoke to a lot. i will not mention. i spoke to a number of different testing companies today, and the job they have done and the job they're doing is incredible but when abbott comes out does this so quickly, it is really unreal. in fact one company i have to say that stands out in the job, i think i can say this, i don't want to insult anybody else but roche. roche has been incredible in the testing job they have done and they're ramping it up exponentially. it is up, up, up, you should be saying congratulations instead of asking a really snarky question because i know exactly what you mean by that you should be saying congratulations to the men and women who have done this job, who have inherited a broken testing system and who have made great. and if you don't say it i will say it. i want to congratulate all of the people.

you have done a fantastic job. we will see you all tomorrow. thank you very much. thank you. elizabeth: okay. i'm elizabeth macdonald. this is the evening edit. the president just wrapping up the rose garden meeting with the coronavirus task force, giving the people the latest briefing again in the rose garden where they were joined by several key american corporate executives including from honeywell, united technologies, proctor & gamble and jockey. they are pivoting their business their businesses to fight the outbreak of covid-19. he also mix it up with reporters again. let's get the update from edward lawrence who is in washington with more. edward. reporter: president donald trump said it is critical that we follow the guidelines he laid out. in fact he said it could make all the difference in the next 30 days. listen to this. >> by very vigorously following these guidelines we could save

more than one million american lives. victory, we have no other choice. everyone of us has a role to play in winning this war. reporter: the president saying that the experts told him they believe that the number of deaths could peak right around eastertime which is why he moved that date to now april 30th going forward. he also paraded out a number of ceo's that changed their corporate business what they were making like underwear and clothes to those masks that were needed, personal protective wear and medical equipment. you know as all of this is happening the president putting into place the u.s. naval ship comfort that ship is in new york city docked, there it is you see in the video. a site normally seen off the coast of other countries hit by a natural disaster but in this case the coronavirus so overwhelmed new york hospitals that patients without the virus are moved to the hospital ship so the beds in the hospitals can be used for virus.

as banks dish out hundreds of millions of dollars in loans backed by the federal government, entire sectors helped by the u.s. treasury, the president is appointing a new inspector general to oversee the loans. the senate will confirm that person. in a statement on friday the white house saying there will be presidential supervision over the information that is given out by that inspector general to congress. the president also talking with russian president vladmir putin who he said in the news conference that russia gave the united states number of protect tiff medical equipment. on the conference they talked about how to combat globally the coronavirus as well as dealing with other global issues. the president saying that he talked to him specifically about venezuela and the dire need to stablize the energy markets. as you know that oil, the oil prices continue to drop. back to you, liz. elizabeth: edward lawrence, thank you for the update. let's welcome my next guest. it is arizona senator martha mcsally who joins us.

also the senator is the first female fighter pilot to fly in combat. senator, thanks so much for joining you. >> how are you, liz? elizabeth: i'm good. we're hanging in here. senator, officials warn no city will be spared. cases breaking out in the midwest, in the south. now we have 28 states with shelter in place orders for 200 million americans. we're talking about the worst of it is going to hit two weeks away from now. more than half the economy in shelter in place. where does this lead? where do you think this is going in terms of the president's plan to potentially get us out and reopen by june 1st? he is talking now, we'll be in recovery, but he needs to get the governors to lift their shelter in place orders. he doesn't have the power. >> i am in arizona. last time i talked to you i was in d.c. and we're collaborating with the governor and also with our local leaders this is an all

hands on deck but we're seeing the virus hit at different rates across the country. which still need more testing capability here in arizona and i think the more we learn about this virus the experts have shared, understanding how it behaves, how it spreads, i think if we can get to a place to for example, test every health care worker when they go on shift or every nurse in a nursing home or skilled nursing facility, we have a better understand hog has the virus and no longer does. perhaps they are immune as we're studying some antibodies, that is happening here at the university of arizona and tests happening to maybe harnessing anti-bodies to help the front line health care workers. arizona gets hot pretty soon. we don't know whether the heat will impact this virus along with similar ones. there is a lot of questions as we see local, state and federal decisions because this is impacting at different rates. although we understand how important it is for us to be

socially distancing in order to save other people's lives. elizabeth: they are tightening the borders of florida and texas calling for travelers from the new york met crow area to self-quarantine for two weeks. i want to move on to this. johnson & johnson now says human testing of the vaccine to begin in september. newspapers like "the washington post" quoting health experts saying we can't do this forever. leader of france saying that we can't shut down forever. we need to have an economy to pay for the cures, to pay for public health. so that is an excruciating decision to be made. infectious disease specialists talking about reopening plan, out of the american enterprise institute, to what you're saying they're talking about testing 750,000 americans. do you think that is enough? >> i, we need to get to a place where the development of the vaccines need to continue. i think at last count there is about a dozen efforts going on. another one here in arizona at arizona state university. that ultimately is going to be

able to defeat this disease but in the meantime we need to continue to be investing in the treatments, the trials, for the anti-virals, harnessing antibodies, plasma, all the things you're hearing about. we can't wait until the fall. we can't wait until 2021. we want to make sure whatever treatments we're using are safe. but they are fast tracking these trials so that we can get through the next weeks and months. ultimately defeat this virus and a vaccine will protect but we also need to study obviously if it is mutating whether the vaccine will be impactful next year this is what all the experts, the greatest mind in america are on this. i'm very proud of their efforts. things are moving faster than we've ever seen before because this is such a critical situation and so many lives are on the line. elizabeth: you know the president again mixing it up with reporters in the rose garden there pushing back on the president, on statements from people like larry kudlow saying

it was contained when it wasn't. those questions continue to come up in these press conferences. how do you think the president is doing handling those questions? >> well, i think people realize this is an unprecedented situation and i think all of us are learning a lot about this, this stopping of the travel from china, was significant and did buy us some time. there will be a time for us to debrief. we do this in the military but while you're in a war it is time for you to be taking notes but looking forward and not back and figuring out how we can all work together in a unified way, not a divisive way. everybody is giving their all here. we all have the same objective to save lives, to protect our front line health care workers to save the greatest generation. people can take notes. let's do a debrief later. for right now let's break down the barriers, get more solutions out there, get more equipment out there to our front line heroes. do everything we have can to

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seattle we know hasn't turned the corner but it has slowed transmission. the cases and deaths are leveling off there. the pressure is easing up on hospitals there. reinfection dropping from to 1.4 from 2.7. the president is keeping social distancing, companies he cited them, stepping up in the rose garden to help out. your reaction to the lay of the land right now? >> i think we still have aways to go. seattle remember was one of the first places the infection showed up here in the u.s. i certainly agreed with what the president said last night where he extended the social distancing guidelines through april. you know, i hope that we're going to see a peak by then. one of the ways i like to look at, i look at europe as a whole, looking at major countries in europe and looking at the infection rates there. we saw the covid-19 cases pick up two weeks there before they

did in the u.s., they still haven't peaked but we have seen the curve ever so slightly begin to bend a little bit. elizabeth: you know what we're seeing now, there is a real border to border, countrywide effort to get medical supplies done and into the hospital system. governors in colorado, new jersey, minnesota, are demanding state medical universities, even auto repair shops, to step up with what kinds of supplies they have in the way of masks and gowns they can give, including construction workers to give to hospitals. we are now seeing, mark, it is really interesting, teva is giving six million doses, 30 million doses of hydroxychlorquine, and 10 million doses by drugmakers. corporate america, we're not being pollyannaish here. we're reporting on companies like honeywell, jockey, just in the rose garden moments ago saying they're stepping up to

make hospital supplies. you're take on that? >> it is truly heroic. it is not just u.s. companies but it is great to see many u.s. companies stepping up. we have a lot of companies around the world joining is. the pharmaceutical industry is spread across the whole world these days. elizabeth: you know, it is an excruciating tradeoff as we were saying moments ago with senator mcsally. the president of france said it is impossible to quarantine and cure people if we don't have the economy to pay for the cures and vaccines. the debate, open up and slam the health system or stay shut and stay shut down for now, to stop it because, economists keep saying this, is the toughest call. poverty kills too. plus it drains state and local governments of money to pay for public health. so, to keep the lights on, to pay for firemen, cops, emt workers, it is only seems like a painful exit strategy here, mark. >> you're absolutely right.

we have to really finesse this. we have to finesse it in a way we can somehow get ahold of the virus in a way that we can minimize the outbreak, get it into remission. then we can really start thinking about opening up the economy but we really, we have to do that ahead of time too. we have to plan how we will open up the economy. you heard a little bit of the president's press conference where he mentioned, that yes it is possible when we do open up the economy that most people may have to wear masks for some time. but, ramping up testing is a big part of that because we'll have to test folks before they go back and are reduced into the economy because we've seen in some countries, after we see a spike in infections, they have slowed and surged again. we certainly don't want to see that. elizabeth: you know, what you're saying, the governor of new york also talking about reopening in the smartest way possible with a

modified public health strategy that dovetails with a get back to work strategy. that means we would have to do way more contact tracing than we are now. we need a lot of things to get going in this country. we need workers at nuclear power plants. we have to protect the nuclear power plant too. that is something on the radar screen in washington. so going forward, mark, what's your take what is going to happen with the u.s. economy as we remain in shutdown? 27 states, many cities and counties? what is your take on the jobless report coming up on friday? >> the friday jobs report will probably not tell us that much. conditions really worse renned in the week after that employment survey was taken t will be a weak report but not pick up the millions of layoffs that have taken place since the survey week. but my take is, that we are probably two to three weeks before we see the peak in

infections in the united states if we continue guidelines in place right now and people adhere to them. i think two or three weeks we'll see it peak. it will then begin to come back down and that is the party where we need to focus how we're going to restart the economy. how we are going to interact at work. it may be folks will have to alternate days in certain professions or work at home or work at the office. we'll have to figure all that out. individual businesses are going to have to figure that out. elizabeth: mark vitner, thank you so much for joining us. mark vitner of wells fargo. coming up later in the show we have got more on top government dr. anthony fauci saying states will get what they need as democrat governor of michigan calls for a stop to the politicizing. put that in the rear view mirror please. let's move on to fix the country. the criticism about monday morning quarterbacking warning it is not helping. we'll debate it and talk about it with kelly bolar with the

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zombie virus. johns hopkins experts say it is not a living organism, it is a protein molecule covered by a protective layer of fat. that is the difficulty of dealing with this thing to try to stop it. what treatment do you see are best working right now? >> let me address the idea of a zombie virus. i think all viruses are kind of particulate matter this is a strand of rna covered by a protein. whether there are fats on the surface is another question but the protein is what we're trying to target to get a rapid test right now. but the second part of your question was therapy. there is a paper out of france about hydroxychlorquine, bet and asithromax. they're is a way of the drug

operates preventing the cells coming into the lungs. that is very, very important. a lot of people have recovered because of hydrox syplaconil and a zithromax. there are therapies like remdesivir, but you have to have a research protocol we're doing to get that drug which is only released to a few institutions. >> that is a good point. doctor, we're running out of time. we were covering the rose garden press conference there are eight drugs in development. sorry we're out of time. glad to have you back. let's talk to independent women's forum, kelsey bolar. >> -- elizabeth: thank you for joining us. we know you're on delay. dr. fauci says states will get what they need. the governor of michigan, governor witmer saying we're all in this together.

we're all in this together. the common enemy is covid-19. stop the politicizing, the stop criticism, or the monday morning quarterbacking. what is your' action to that? >> i think it is very understandable, americans are looking for someone to blame. a lot of that is coming out of the different political factions in the united states. when you look back to ask who is really to blame for this, nobody besides the communist party in china. that is something that americans of all different political perspectives can and should unite around, the fact they are the ones to blame for this, not each other here in the united states where we have private industry, public government, different levels of government, coming together to be creative and try to get hospitals all, the equipment they need in order to take care of both themselves and the american people. elizabeth: yeah, ramp up the testing. get the supplies in to the

doctors, get the vaccines, drugs, going. that is working. you know, again we don't, nobody wants to be politicizing this right now. it is not a political fight. it is a medical fight. because 2020 hindsight is always feels good to go that route but democrats, the criticism coming towards them, these are the facts. they also said keep going outside. get back to normal. go about your lives, right when the pandemic was escalating. new york city mayor de blasio said that. nancy pelosi said that when she went to chinatown in san francisco. also a top new orleans official, a week before mardi gras said, told the public that the risk is low, there is no concern. watch these sound bites. >> well 8.6 million people here. we have 25 cases as of this morning. we care deeply about each of those individuals, but against the backdrop of 8.6 million people, the vast majority of new yorkers life is going on pretty normally right now. we want to encourage that.

but if you're under 50 and you're healthy, which is most new yorkers, there is very little threat here. >> would you like to say to people, come to chinatown. here we are. we're again, careful to say -- come join us. >> there is no concern at this time for coronavirus in our region. that is director -- told us this morning. we have been made aware there are not any cases. the risk for us is very low at this time. elizabeth: hindsight is 2020. if they knew then what they know now, may have sent a very different message. that is fair for anybody who is elected office right now, right? that is fair to say, no? >> there is plenty of blame to go around, but i think if you look back at the timeline, president trump did shut down travel between china and the united states at the end of january. that is also when he formed the task force.

it took nancy pelosi, the leader of the democrat party until late february, a month after we had our first case of coronavirus in the united states to even make a public comment about this, because unfortunately she was too focused on political impeachment games that were still playing out all threw january. through january. it is tempting to play politics through this, tempting to blame. we need to remember only people really to blame for this is the communist government in china because we have seen multiple studies told us the epidemic, could have been contained if they were open, hon in the h -- honest with government officials with the world health organization. instead they covered it up and it turned into the global epidemic we're grappling with today. elizabeth: kelsey, final question about that.

the leader of china, president xi is now talking about basically saying to the g20, lift your trade restrictions on us, lift tariffs on us. we want to help deliver medical supplies. they sent planes into the united states with medical supplies. but they're also saying we want more information about your medical data inside of your own country's borders so we can help figure out what is going on with we have individual -- covid-19. china is positioning itself to dominate this part of the debate. what is your reaction to what china is doing there? >> if china wants to help different countries throughout this crisis but that is certainly welcome but americans, any country, for that matter should not trust any data or any information in fact coming out of china regarding how they're able to help and so forth. we snow they have lied all throughout this epidemic. they have cover the it up. they have made this crisis worse. what they're working on is the

propaganda effort to try to cover up the coverup. they're trying to use, these news stories about them attempting to help other countries via medical supplies and what not to try to make it seem as though this is not their fault but the truth is, this is all their fault, we need to be very clear when we talk about it, this is the coronavirus, crisis is a direct result of the way communist chinese government decided to handle it and cover it up. elizabeth: okay. kelsey bolar, thanks for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. elizabeth: okay, just ahead the big debate. the world needs the data to drive policy but that bombshell study from the imperial college of london that panicked the world, it was used to lock down whole states and whole countries, more on what we brought you last week on why the author of it is backtracking on it now. we have got ohio congressman, he is a doctor. dr. brad wenstrup is with me on

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now that bombshell study from the imperial college of london we brought you last week that basically shocked the world. the author now says he didn't model correctly for human reactions to pandemic. he is now backtracking from his initial prediction which said about half a million deaths in the uk. and he said possibly millions in the u.s. but you now says 20,000 fatalities in the uk, possibly even less than that. joining me now on the phone is ohio congressman, he is dr. brad wenstrup. thanks for joining us, congressman. your reaction? that is quite a reversal with the imperial college of london, sir. >> that is one of the reasons that have not been out talking about numbers from a lot of the models, there are some things involved here. if there are numbers what you might expect, they were maybe coming down the road, keep in mind what we're trying to do is fall way under those numbers, taking actions to do that.

one of the problems we have with prevention you never can really measure it. we know how many die. we don't know how many may have been saved by prevention. george bailey in the it's a wonderful life, was only one that got to see what he prevented. it is important that with data that you be accurate and when we look at numbers were there other underlying conditions part of this problem? we need to look how things are geographically and where they are. certainly good to try to predict where things might be headed but, at the same time, we have to understand the negatives so that we can proceed postively and proactively. and not chaotically. so that is why i tried to stay away from those numbers. i read those models. i see them. but i take some of them with a grain of salt and understand what we're trying to do, ohio has been very aggressive, is make sure those numbers don't come true. elizabeth: right.

so you know, also, to what you just said the imperial college of london also now says that more than half of the expected, terrible to talk in this way, more than half of the expected fatalities in the uk, he is saying 20,000, they may have passed away anyway even without covid-19 because they were very sick. it is interesting, 99% of the fatalities in italy, those cases had pretty bad preexisting conditions. what is really also interesting, too, neil ferguson, the author of the imperial college study, said it is impractical to lock down for a year or 18 months, because it would slam the economy, it would destroy the public health system you need to help people. instead you will pay for decade to come if you make that decision. your reaction to that? >> these are challenging times and no one is taking any of these deaths lightly. i think the president answered it correctly when he said how

many deaths are acceptable and he said none. unfortunately the fact of the matter some people will pass away from this. i do worry about secondary effects if we have things shut down for so long. one of the terms i don't like when we say, oh, those who have essential jobs can go back to work. well, if you're not in one of those jobs, does that mean you're not an essential type of worker? and so it is how we say things. and we also have to be concerned about people being able to get their regular care. and so if we slow everything down to the point where everyone is in poverty, how are they getting to doctors? how are they letting the health stay up to a level that it should be? then all of sudden you have more and more people are weak and more people getting sick. it is a fine line. it is not easy but it is a big part of -- elizabeth: it is tough. >> we're learning a lot in this whole process so that i hope we will be prepared. go ahead, i'm sorry.

elizabeth: i want to get some, forgive me a ray of hope, some optimism here. oxford university is saying that they are estimating that anywhere from 40% to 60% of the uk population is already immune. that we may be in the late-stages of this pandemic. that's why you need serology and blood tests to see about antibodies and immunities. dr. fauci is confident that many people may have immunity now. so you know also equating it to the 1957, 196 8 asian flu outbreaks. your take on antibodies and immunities. your analysis there? >> i've been looking into this deeply with doctors and researchers. some of this stuff is not really new but a matter of bringing the ideas around but when we look at decisions we have to look at the state of treatment, which is what you're talking about. what are some of the rescue drugs?

is the hydroxychlorquine able to help people or prevent them from needing ventilators as they are on the road to recovery? take a look and other things we can do now, other diagnostics of ct of the lung and blood work we can look at. whether a patient's white count is dropping which it does with this. a substance, il-6 could be a good marker where people are. also where they are in building up the anti-body. what we do know igm is one much the immunoglobulins, and igd. igg is ultimately used for someone romped for the convalescent plasma that you're hearing about. mount sinai is using some of that. i would like all the communities set up to be prepared having data knowing who has it, who recovered so we could harvest that tool. elizabeth: interesting. congressman, brad wenstrup. thanks for joining us. great to see you and great to

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elizabeth: china's president xi h xi told the g20 that china's actions are quote, charitiable. demanded that all g20 members take collective actions that would benefit the chinese

economist party, cut tariffs, unfettered flow of trade into china. retired major general robert scales. general, your reaction to that? >> hi, liz. boy, tell you, it is amazing to me, amazing to me how dictatorships are no inefficient when they deal with crises but the narrative they put out, always paints them in a positive fashion and denigrates the achievements of the democracy. one thing we learned is a political system best able to deal with crises is a democracy, not a dictatorship like the chinese communist party. elizabeth: general, president xi of china also proposed a global network of control and treatment that would be run by china, led by him. he wants china to have full access to all medical data inside of countries including

the maybe even intellectual property related to manufacturers of supplies. these are the demands he is now making, your reaction to that? >> how thinly-veiled is this? what he is trying to do, steal a march on the west. china is notorious for stealing the intellectual property of the west, particularly in the united states. this is an attempt basically and in the international market for the narrative to sort of find an official way to gain intellectual property that belonged to others. no, what we have to do in the future, is once this is over, regain our status and our ability to manufacture pharmaceuticals that we overwhelmingly in the united states are the ones who develop in our laboratories. that should be the mission. not to pander to the chinese and give them credit that they don't deserve because after all, they must be held accountable for what they did back in february and early march.

elizabeth: general, here's the thing, i'm just been studying this and researching this. going back to the 1980s, since the hiv aids crisis there have been multiple epidemiological and infectious disease experts going to congress saying you need a pandemic plan. you need to have a plan, congress, set up and launched now to boost the national stockpile of medical supplies, drugs and vaccines. you need to have a response plan. that goes back to the 80s. that clinton administration ad for it. i'm looking for republican and democrat administrations talked about it. but nothing has been done. i know about the national stockpile but it is not up to snuff to handle this outbreak. this is a story. the "politico" ran out, gao, osha, looked into it. get it up and now, a pandemic plan surge. now we're doing it ad hoc on the fly. that is what is happening now.

>> here's the thing, liz, compared to buying stealth fighters and compared to, say the defense budget, all in all, this is cheap. we're talking about masks and gowns and stockpiling, medical devices to confront a future epidemic like this. so this is something that is cheap and easy to organize. we simply haven't given it the importance that it is deserved in the past. we have learned our lesson. next time, god forbid, this happens, we'll be ready. elizabeth: well, yeah, because now 80% of drug chemicals are manufactured in china. so the president is saying we have to move some of that manufacturing of drugs back home. there was a fight over faulty test kits. general, i don't know if you saw this. china has been making test kits to test for covid-19. spain turned them back.

czech republic turned them back. taiwan turned them back for being flawed. 70% error rates. not catching covid-19. that is test kits coming out of china. your take on that? >> this is where the narrative deviates from the facts thank god, spain had enough backbone to stand up to the chinese. the chinese tell a great story. they brag about the efficiency of the chinese communist party, when it comes to deliver throughout the history of the chinese communist party, not just during this disaster the chinese almost always come up short. we need to tone back the narrative, forget about the rhetoric and focus on what the chinese can do, but more importantly, focus on what we can do. we need federal intervention, to make sure that in the future we produce our own pharmaceuticals. that we're not held captive by some dictatorship for the health of the american people. it is not right. elizabeth: yes, so it sounds like you would support senator marsha blackburn and tom cotton

and representative jim banks and seth moulton. they are announced in a press reese working on legislation to hold accountable for allowing the wuhan outbreak to become a global apozeme epidemic. they want them to ramp up america's medicine cabinet. make drugs here in the united states. potentially 100 thousands of jobs here in the u.s. your final word on that? >> that is absolutely right. the key praise, phrase, hold them accountable for what they did. this is how dictatorships operate. that is why they're inherently inefficient. the united states can manufacture drugs far more efficiently and far more reliably to higher quality than the chinese. put federal money in the bank to jump-start this effort. elizabeth: okay. general scales, thank you so much for joining us. come back soon. we love having you on. general scales. thank you for our service --

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