jesus christ avalanches us. lou: amen. thanks for being with us. we hope you have a great easter weekend. we thank you for being with us. liz: hi, i'm elizabeth mcdonald with "the evening edit." the white house coronavirus task force had a meeting at the white house. dr. deborah birx said it looks like new cases may be leveling off. california, washington state, and maybe new york. we are not out of the woods yet. the south and the midwest are still seeing issues. let's welcome my next guest, a republican from ohio. he's also a doctor, congressman

brad wenthrup. your reaction to this seemingly good news. we are not out of the woods, but it seems like it's good news. >> you want to see the numbers go down. the goal all along was to beat the models. you saw the models happen in other countries where it went right up, very high. we were trying to stay under that and keep our healthcare system in check and not overrun. this is good news because that's what we have been after all along. starting to see the trend go down. liz will be do you think the united states has answered the wake-up call? you saw the warnings about pandemic. now the president is saying one

of the toughest decisions of his life is reopening the country possibly on may. americans may wake up to a brand-new world of having to wear masks, and maybe tests for coronavirus. new apps on their iphones and phones to track them if they are near somebody who has coronavirus. do you think congress has answered the wake-up call that has been ringing for years. we are in an able of a jet stream of viruses going around the world. >> i certainly hope so. if we don't learn lessons from this, i don't know that we ever will. and certainly we have people in politics that think the border should be wide open. that's the wrong answer.

you go other countries and they ask you all kinds of questions about your health and where you have been. there will be many new normals. but there will be a lot of medical scientific process. how we evaluate something and check whether it's growing larger than you thought it might be. and how we try to nip things in the bud. who is most vulnerable and who might need to be quarantined. and we learned lessons about how we may need to manage our supply chain. it's a security issue. liz: there is also a lesson to be learned and stop politicizing everything. doctors and hospital workers saying stop the finger pointing. focus on where the viruses are coming out of, and that's china.

we have grew spom wet markets up and running. great britain says they are in china. china said necessity outlawed many of the wet markets. but others say no. the president is going to decide next week whether to kit funding to the world health organization. >> it reminds me of the nato model where there was a certain level of responsibility that comes with everybody who is in it. the president was big on that. the world health organization is designed to try and allow us to nip things in the bud so we can act as one set of human beings on this earth trying to cut out disease, et cetera, et cetera. the problem with the communist system similar to what russia did add chernobyl. their attitude is the communist

system is not a lie if it helps the state. so this is something we do want to address wholeheartedly. there is no doubt about it that we have to do something to address it. and a lot of it should come from the world health organization itself. and i think the president is going to help drive that. liz: the w.h.o. is saying it's taking north korea's line, that north korea has no cases. that cannot be believed. the line of rhetoric we are hearing in the media that other administration's and dem egg response is picture perfect, we are learning they were not. prior administrations dating back to the 1980s on the federal and state and local level was not up to speed. when you look at what's going on with the world health

organization. now the american enterprise institute is saying potentially 2.9 million infections in china. more than they are reporting. it seems that finally the world may be waking up. we are seeing social media waking up in bangladesh and pakistan. do you think the world is waking up saying we can't go through another pandemic like this. >> one of my medical colleagues has been in touch with an infectious disease specialist. one of the things the chinese doctor said to mire friend was you a come you all aren't wearing masks in america. the reason is because you have them and you are not selling them to us. that goes back to the supply chain.

what they will do to their own people and keep them in the dark they will do to their own people. we are doing really well here. if you look at h.i.v., it was four years before we had a reliable clinical test. we are moving much faster. hopefully this doesn't keep happening. one of the opportunities we have on the medical side is we have a lot of people who have gone the it and recovered. and they are going to be eligible people to donate glass ma that can help others that get this. i think people have to make sure they are talking with their doctors and working with their blood banks. liz: if you use the defense production act, should not be a first step toward getting the medical supply chain? china is moving to be a medical

super power. they tried to corner the market on remdesivir and gilead. they tried to get as many ventilators as it could before it told the world it has a pandemic on its hands. when you see what's happening out of the china. dr. robert darling is one of the world's leading infectious disease experts. he's still saying china won't give over the virus samples to study. that tells you it could have been an accidental release out of a bio lab. and china doesn't want to admit the virus did emanate out of the province over there. the issue with china. should we cut back on the debt that we owe to it? how do you owe china accountable? what do you think? >> i think we need to pursue

that add knew and see what happened. there is responsibility. you know, we have had terrorist attacks where certain countries did take responsibility like libya, and we were able to get compensation back. that would help us, and it might correct a wrong. but i don't expect them to change their re-behavior. but we have to change how we view china and how we work with china. or better yet, how we don't work with china because they can't be trusted. liz: thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> you have a good easter and pass yoaf as well. liz: next up, the hot debate about reopening. will the nation's 50 governors agree to the reopen? hey, can i... hold on one second...

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liz: welcome back. you are watching "the evening edit." joel, great to see you, sir. the president saying it's going to be the toughest decision ever in his career to possibly open the country may 1 do you think

we'll be ready by then? >> i think part of the country willa be ready by then. the reopening required testing and reporting and tracing contacts. that won't be a one size fits all policy. i am hopeful parts of the country will be ready to reopen in a few weeks. and the testing will continue throughout the rest of the springtime. liz: you need an economy to pay for public health, the emt workers, the firemen and cops. here is the forecast out of jpmorgan chase. the gdp can contract by 40%. are you seeing sufficient information coming out of all

levels of government on testing, object vaccines, and on drugs? do we know when the vaccines will be ready, and the drugs will be ready and the tests will be ready? people are feeling a bottleneck on testing. apeople want information. what do you think? >> there have been delays on testing. that's soo essential. if someone knows they are sick, even if they are not showing symptoms. most people because they have common sense will stay home and ecavoid infecting people. but if you come into contact with somebody who has it, that's lost time. it's essential to go ahead and build that testing capability. we had a bureaucracy that wasn't permitting private labs.

we have seen some of that resolve. i am hoping going forward the testing bottleneck will be much smoother. we have seen 10 million jobs wiped out in a few weeks. we have given up gains that took years to acquire. we have to make it so people can go and work and produce and engage in commerce. liz are * we want to see how much are i mine as well. that's why you need testing. here is the information coming out of oxford university. they are estimating 60-70 percent of the u.k. has already been infected. we have seen the initial fatality rate go down now to

60,000 in the u.s. nobody knows what the death toll will be. that of course is a disturbing number that's really concerning. but the testing is so key. new york state and the region of new york, connecticut, pennsylvania and new jersey. talking about rolling out testing as well. whose model objection best. should you get tested at your job? should employers do it? >> if we have more testing, even if you are not sure you can get tested, that will go a long way. evennd if we have states and cities say you can go out, you can shop. if people are scared for their lives if we go out. people are going to hesitate to leave even if they have permission. this is not an issue of government saying okay get back out there.

you have got to be able to get the test results back quickly. and you have to be able to trace contact. so governors and mayors feel comfortable opening up their cities so people like us feel comfortable getting back out there. liz: the public will step up and give that market reality check if they don't feel safe. civil libertarians are up in arms about the phone apps that can trace you. and the use of drones with the voices of mayors in places like elizabeth, new jersey and in florida and california where flying oh people's heads with the voice of mayors saying go back inside, you are violating the shelter in place orders. people are saying that's not what america is about. it violates our values.

>> i live in washington, d.c. just going biking, as you mentioned, you have police cruisers going by, telling people to disperse. even if the streets aren't cluttered. i understand mayors and city 0 officious are rightfully aware of this spreading. all of us are looking to move to a place where we can begin moving to a sense of normality. there are positive signs coming out of europe. you look at the plans for the gradual reopening of society. i think we'll see that here as well. liz: that's true. certainly many countries in europe arere talking about reopening. we appreciate it. liz: you will want to watch this next segment. it's about the drugs and vaccines that about to be up and

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liz: welcome back. our next guest is former peace corps medical director. he has been working as a surgeon as well under the most dire situation. he's dr. steven weinberg. can you give us the update on the status of vaccines and drugs and blood plasma therapy? how much months away are we for something to stop this covid outbreak? >> i hope we are days or weeks. in the last two hours the "new england journal of medicine," one of the most respected peer review journals in this country and the a world. they tweeted that they are involved in a remdesivir study, and the preliminary data looks very good. we are very, very close to having a possible treat the there. we know about -- we have been hearing about hydroxychloroquine

for self weeks. we keep hearing it's anecdotal. but when an the dotal studies get up to 2,000 people they are not exactly anecdotal. but they are looking very good. just about everybody with a keep industry set in the world is trying something. several different studies at the same hospital. it's's looking very, very good right now. liz: there are 70 countries with 100 separate clinical trials. the n.i.h. is launching a childrenle cal trial of the hydroxychloroquinene the anti-malarial drug. there hasn't been a controlled test, but you are saying there has been enough anecdotal results to say it could be

effective. it works on people with preexisting conditions. >> that and a number of other things. does it work early, can it be used prophylactically. all of those need to be answered. we are drinking out of a fire hose right now. we need answers, results as quick as possible. and we'll get back to all of the wonderful scientific studies or the next self months. twhere it's working, that seems to be working very well and lots of folks are on it. liz: we have japan's avigan, that looks promising. the university of pittsburgh has a promising vaccine. people of australia going through testing for a tuberculosis drug tha that he tt

elicits an i mine response. possible blood plasma therapy, are you optimistic about senate. >> very. a number of major medical centers in this country are now harvesting blood plasma and giving it to the most critically ill patients. this is not for somebody with a runny nose or sore throat. this is for seriously ill people. we have a lot of people in this country who recovered. they can donate their plasma he week. we take the blood out of folks. but then you spin it down and take out the plasma and give it back. all you are taking out is the liquid part. the antibodies are in there. this is not something that's brand-new scientifically. we are using it with early good

results. you can also create those antibodies in a laboratory. those are the antigen we want to give somebody in a vaccine so they will create the antibodies to give them immunity. liz: this is a scary disease because it immediately takes the oxygen out of your blood. even before you show shortness of breath, it takes the oxygen out. they follow a pattern. they rise and a to, then they -- they rise, then they plateau. it went away in june and july of 2003. spanish flu did come back. are you concerned about this coming back in the fall and winter? >>nd haven't so.

spanish flu came back three types. we don't know if this is going to come back. we don't know if it's weather dependent. this disease is in countries that are warm. there is an outbreak in he can . we have to plan that it will and hope that is doesn't, and that's what creating a vaccine will do. if it does come back and we have plenty of people immune and the vaccine is working, then we are in good shape. liz are thanks for joining us, sir. be well. >> thank you, you, too. liz: a sailor from the uaa teddy rooseveltm was admitted to an intensive care unit in guam. 416 on board are i effected.

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liz: liz: let's bring in our next guest, retired army colonel david hunt. good to see you. numerous militaries around the world have been infected with covid-19. we are hearing it from asia and europe. a sailor admitted to an intensive care unit in guam after being found unconscious from covid-19. the joint chiefs of staff is talking and warning about publicly military readiness. they want to protect our men and

would even. what is your reaction to this story? >> this is a terrible story. we have 0 aircraft carriers. we have a second one that's been infected. the navy is not just doing a good job. we had the he bear is the of firing the captain on the ship. the secretary of the navy had to resign after an idiotic thing he did. >> we clearly don't have enough tests for the department of defense. two aircraft carrier is an awful lot. there are just 18. it's very, very troubling. not speaking up for the sailors or soldiers who need help. it's a very crowded environment on these vessels. great guys, men and women, tremendous amount of work.

very, very talented. they can't protect themselves. i mean admirals and above need to get their heads on straight and get this story back on track and it's not, it's only getting worse. liz: a top pentagon health official saying -- >> this is as important as missiles and bullets. this is a war. the front line is our heath providers. but the other piece of that is readiness of our soldiers, airmen and marines, coast guard, sailors. fire the leadership. the secretary of the navy over the comments he made. the greatest nation in the world

can't have this kind of a problem on a for we have been fighting the last 19 years. liz: other countries around the world,ie their own militaries ae getting infected with covid-19. david norquist sent a veiled juaningcl to china. the u.s. is ready to defend interests in i the south china a after the navy did ground the uss teddy roosevelt. and picked up the phone and called venezuela. we understand what your issues are. we are using the navy to combat narco terrorists and drug cartels. are you saying stop this problem

now we we can do the decembers at d hand, is that it? >>? yes. and the war on drugs is something we lost years ago. the con sum sun and the policy issues. the peoplee speaking, the vice mayormen. they have a jobav right now. they can't protect their soldiers if the soldiers are sick. and they can't protect the nation if the soldiers and sailors are sick. they are failing on the men part. this is a senior leadership problem. it needs to be addressed now. thisis means more people getting firedor besides the secretary of the navy. liz: i just want to understand, i want to be clear what you are saying. we have a number of ships now infected. so what you are talking about is

the former acting navy secretary thomas modly resigning over his comments about captain crozier. captain crozier was relieved of his command over a letter he wrote. he was up moring the navy to step in because hundreds of sailorsnd on his boat are sick. the navy has not ruled out reinstating captain crosser. he absolutely. it was a huge mistake they made. the commander of the air force was on that aircraft carrier. the first thing he did was send a letter. he called and sent mess ands. this was a last-ditch effort. his sailors love him. the other problem he had in the last 8 or 9 years. these kinds of crises show us

good and bad leadership. what we are seeing now is bad and needs to be corrected. we need more captains of the uss roosevelt and less if you want to keep this force the best in the world. liz: thank you so much for coming on. we appreciate your insights. and thank you for your service to our country. we hope you have a good easter weekend. liz: this is a big fight coming up. getting u.s. manufacturing back home to make medical supplies that had previously been outsourced to china. the president's push to use the defense production act. can it be used to bring manufacturing back home? it's coming up. why is ambition respected in men and criticized in women?

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liz: liz: let's bring in our next guest, former california congressman darrell issa. >> thanks for accommodating our contain the out here in california. liz: there is a bipartisan push behind the president's push to use the defense production act to ramp up once and for all u.s. manufacturing for masks and ventilators and drugs. what do you think? >> it's a good way to exercise our capability. but unless we continue to need ventilators in a large quantity, these are industries that will switch back. but there is no question at all both here in the united states and the rest of north america

and canada and mexico, there is tremendous capability to mf things that are currently being outsourced to china and other locations and we have to change that. liz: i hear what you are saying. china is trying to become a global super power. it's on a new medical belts and roads push. there is finger pointing over what's going on with the strategic stockpile. the stockpile was depleted after the h1n1 pandemic and it was not replenished. and congress found that there was about 100 million n5 respirator masks that weren't

replenished. people are criticizing it saying president trump didn't do enough. they are saying it's not his problem but it's been prior administrations. >> when you inherit something it's easy not to take it on immediately. it certainly wasn't the only priority this president had coming out of the obama years. but instead of playing the blame game, what we need to do is genuinely review not just the stockpile but our ability to ramp up quickly. there was no amount of stockpiling we would have done to provide 330 million americans with n5 masks. we have to be able to be produce it quickly. these masks and other items don't last forever if you stockpile and you could have millions of items thrown away in

between the pandemics. taylor guitaran manufactures cas for guitars. they are still trying to get permission between the u.s. and one of their plants in mexico to convert their ability to stitch together guitar cases to stitch together masks. they have the capability and they have the prototype but they haven't been able to get up and running. streamlining the capability of companies whether it's forward motor company or taylor guitar. the best reserve is a reserve to produce, not a reserve of a stockpile that could become obsolete and dated. liz: that's probably the most common sense thing we heard on this showea for a long time when

it comes to a stockpile. we heard from arnold schwarzenegger who said in 2006 he had a stockpile and jerry brown set it aside. it happened here in new york city. michael bloomberg had medical supplies ready to go, then it was set aside. public reporting was that the ventilators became obsolete and decrepit. you are saying have the supply chain geared up and running. not supplies sitting in a warehouse. >> the best way for your viewers to understand it is if we my we needed twice as much electricity tomorrow, we wouldn't stockpile electricity. butti we would have electric generation plants on reserve. rather than producing it without anyone needing it.

we can't store 300 million masks for decades because they will go bad. e but we can be ready to have on short notice our industries switch. we do this in defense. we have a number of companies around the united states who are prepared to switch to producing things for military use. we need to do the same thing with healthcare items. liz: congressman darrell issa, thanks for coming on. up next, a former top official at fort detrick medical research institute of infectious diseases warns china is blocking samples of the sars co-2 virus that could be used to help create vaccines. we'll take it up with michael

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[♪] liz: let's bring in our next liz:t, our next guest is directr hudson institute chinese

strategies, michael pillsbury. we have been working on this story for months now. we are uncovering more about how china is operating unsafe bio pathogen laboratories that study infectious diseases. dr. robert darling at the army research institute of infectious diseases saying china will not give over samples of sars covid 2 that ask reveal its origin that could be used to create a vaccine. >> they don't respond to pressure the united states or the world health organization. r they think that they are pretty much the h number one country in the world now. their gdp is 80% of ours. steve schwarzman said our own

gdp suffered a $5 trillion cut. that's almost a quarter of our gdp. china is messaging, a media i follow every day. they are basically saying they are number one in the world now. if they don't want to be hand over the history of what happened in with you land. they won't't do it. theyca make jokes le american senators and congressmen who go on television and make a resolution to block china but they don't get any sponsors. the chinese attitude, they have a strong lobby in washington. when rex tillerson was secretary of state the first year, liz, he renewed all of our almost 100 scientific exchange programs with china.ie we could have canceled those or held them at risk. we could have pulled out of the

world health organization. but the chinese don't see it. you have to have strong pressure applied to them before they will provide viruses in the history of the growth of this virus and where it came from. liz: the world cannot get hit by another viral pandemic out of china. dr. darling said the chinese most certainly know. they are operating at boy oh safety level two, not 4 with a lot of these viruses. they are studying 2,000 animal viruses including bat coronavirus. they are not being safe until of these conditions.s. they are not wearing masks or face shields. the sars 2003, at least 8 people in china died because that virus somehow escaped the lab. how do you hold china

accountable. how do you make them stop, how >> well, the president can do what he did with unesco, he pulled out. we're an observer country there. president reagan did this too in 1984 out of frustration with unesco. that's one leverage we have, but it still doesn't force the world health organization to get the samples and the history from china. i just don't see us having the leverage anymore to do that as long as congress proposes these resolutions that have two cocosponsors. it's just not serious leverage we've applied yet. the president, as you know, liz, he succeeded in the trade area by the tariffs. the tariffs are still largely in effect. we have noa pressure like that - liz: yeah, and we -- >> dr. i -- dr. fauci, by the

way, i'm trying to convey to you the involvement of our scientists with china is going to take a lot of pressure from congress to change. we can't -- this is not panama or nicaragua, small countries. this is a co-equal power. liz: all right. michael pillsbury, thank you so much for joining us. we really appreciate your insights.s. great to have you on, one of the world's topics perts on chi china. you've been watching "the evening edit" on fox business. thank you so much for watching. join us on monday, we're going to haven way more on this developing story. we you have a good, good evening and good easter and passover weekend. thanks for joining us. ♪ ♪

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