with the government for a bailout and will the government take any kind of equity stake in boeing? larry kudlow told us that he has no objection to the government owning a piece of private enterprise. my time's up. neil cavuto, it's yours. neil: thank you, stuart, very, very much. revealing interview with larry kudlow here. he seemed to telegraph a decision is coming soon. might be ahead of the deadline already out there. we'll see. we're following up on that. we'll follow up on what is happening on the corner of wall and broad. a big comeback. if you think about it with amazon's at all-time highs. apple sort of inching closer, walmart at one, think a couple weeks ago when the issues were getting shattered. not so much walmart. if you wait it out, it is not a loss until you cash out f you had hung on, specially with market averages down as low as 18,000, we're almost up to

24,000, far cry from nearly 30,000 we were touching in february. the reminder, you don't lose any money until you take money out. it could be a bull market, bear market, combined head fake here. be that as it may, this comeback is pronounced and some of the earnings already factored to be awful, the case of couple of them not awful, that is good enough. president will be meeting shortly with some of the coronavirus victims who came out of it and you know, he wants to get a sense, their plasma in high demand. speakers on behalf of the 80 plus percent who survived the virus quite well, will be a telling moment, when we go to the white house, get a tape of the meeting with those patients, what it was about them that made them survive in the first place and thrive. right now, so much so that their plasma is in huge demand.

as man and woman they're more than happy to help out. we're following that. we're getting a gauge what the president will do with so-called economic advisory board. they're not calling it a task force, advisory board. sort of like a kitchen cabinet to guide the president, when is good time at least in economic sense to open things up or try to begin that process. let's get the latest with blake burman on that front. where all of this is going. hey, blake. reporter: hi there, neil a lot going on at the white house. let's start with the here and now as the president is set to be meeting with survivors of covid-19. you're right at some point here in the very near future will be on camera. we should see the president at some point presumably in the upcoming hour. it will be interesting to see if the president is asked about his comments that he made last night that he believes he has quote, unquote, total authority to reopen the economy or at least control how states handle the reopening within their own areas. earlier today, the president was doubling down, tripling down

even on that concept, taking to twitter, calling out specifically new york's governor andrew cuomo at one point, writing the follow, i want you to look at very bottom of tweet. president saying cuomo, i got it all down for him and everyone else and now he seems to want independence. that won't happen. the president then followed that up with this analogy, tell the democratic governors "mutiny on the bounty" was one of my all time favor movies a good old-fashioned mutiny every now and then is invigorating to watch, especially when the mute ineers need so much from the captain, too easy. in any event, larry kudlow told stuart varney early this morning the president will make announcement, big announcement at some point this week. listen.

>> we want to get folks back to work. folks, ordinary men and women, blue-collar workers small families and businesses, we want to do it as quick as possible. it has to be safe. we want to driven by data from the key health specialist. the president is moving towards very important announcements in the next day or two. reporter: neil, rose garden later today, 5:00 hour, we will hear from the president and members of the coronavirus task force. he will reveal nonoutside, non-government advisors that hip him relating to open the economy, giving him advice. there was some thinking a handful days ago, this might be a quote, unquote second task force though what i'm being told, neil, earlier today, not like a infrastructure being built out around this group. instead likely to be advisors, giving the president advise on

the idea of reopening the economy. one of the, one of the complexities with all of this, one of the challenges with all of this, when you start bringing in outside, non-governmental people on to a essentially mixing with the government task force, there are legal challenges with that. so that is part of the issue the white house has been dealing with this bottom line, probably a more informal group that will be giving the president advise, not necessarily second a quote, unquote, task force. we wait to hear more from that from the president most likely later this afternoon. neil? neil: you know, blake, the president's comments on the mutiny thing just surprise me because he was the one himself who left it up to governors to decide whether they wanted to practice social distancing, shelter at home, provisions that each governor would decide he was never critical of florida governor ron desantis of more later entrants in that policy. and worked with governors getting them everything they needed.

whatever the states needed it was their responsibility. so the states say they ultimately want to decide as the constitution provide for whether it is safe or not to reopen. reporter: yeah. neil: all of sudden it is a bad mutiny "mutiny on the bounty." that i don't get. the constitution allows them to do that. reporter: a big 180 from the president last couple days or so. the at the end of the day the constitution left up to the states as relates to regulating health issues within their own boundaries. i can tell you, neil, when i asked multiple of senior most level officials within the white house, the vice president himself, larry kudlow, the vice president's chief of staff over the last two, three weeks, when i had posed very same question what do you think you can do at the federal level, all three had essentially said provide guidance. that is what they think they can do with the executive branch. the federal government can provide guidance. the states in theory would

follow the guidance for the most part, they have up until this point. yesterday was a complete 108 with the -- 180, the president has total authority. then you get the tweet on the very same morning the president meets with those who triumphed may have had it past covid-19 at least for the moment, the president saying a good old-fashioned mutiny is a exciting thing to watch. there is lot of hurt panned struggle going on the in the country and i'm not sure how many folks would agree with that sentiment. neil: i will let you go, my friend, what is very clear with this discussion, larry kudlow raised with stuart varney the idea of a partial return to work, maybe a rolling return to work. he didn't use those words, i just did. what apply in one part of the country might not apply for the other part of the country. that is essentially what the six northeast governors were saying. that is essentially what gavin newsom, the counterparts in

oregon and washington are all on the same page of that. i don't understand all of sudden this ridiculous argument back and forth that shouldn't be aargument. they agree, they all agree? reporter: it is not one size fits all even within the states. if you look at new york state, you got new york city mayor bill de blasio coming out i believe essentially not committing at this point for school reopening up until september. i asked that of dr. fauci last week in the briefing, should parents think that schools would be open come the start of the next calendar year? you've got not only the states who have their say but in a lot of local municipalities whether as big as new york city or any other city across this country the mayors who have their say as well. and you're right, you see, basically in the northeast those governors banning together because what impacts new york a lot of times impacts new jersey, and impacts connecticut and so forth, they think, a lot of

republicans thinking, conservative thinking you know what? , states rights. states no best. by the way the constitution lays this whole thing out. it is fairly conservative argument, time and time again. yet the president, conservative, republican in the white house is now sort of flipping the switch doing 180 saying that he believes he has quote, unquote, total authority. it is a big shift. one that a lot of legal experts would say the constitution disagrees. neil: creates a legal nightmare, potential for one, with lawsuits no doubt going back and forth at a time we don't need it. again maybe we're over interpreting this, but it is a little discomforting. i don't want to belabor this point, blake, thank you very much. to illustrate, congress can impose its power under commerce clause, congress can do this, knot president of the united states, on state restrictions, stay-at-home orders have substantial effect on interstate commerce. whereof preexisting statutes, but understand that congress then has the control of the

purse string in this case, not the president of the states or went so far as congress pushing for something and states weren't complying even then our forefathers said you have to watch it very, very carefully. you cannot w hold aid to force an opinion on a state or any other jurisdiction. clearly kind of spelled out here. so it is not to say that the president lack as powerful bully pulpit. he indeed does. he can force an issue, state it again as he does in a lot of these briefings, but it is not the law of the land. it is not in our constitution. it invites sort of confusion on people who want to know, you granted us states, power to do a lot of things you said we should decide at our level, now you come up with a decision counter to that, we are the ones ignoring policy and the constitution. it is crazy. anyway, maybe it is much ado about nothing. hopefully cooler heads will prevail and those that read the constitution of the united states. meantime, probably notice what

is happening, the corner of wall and broad, we have a huge run-up here, they think cooler heads will prevail. they think improvement on the virus is such that there is light at the end of that tunnel and that's good enough for them. probably as it should be for the time-being. connell mcshane following all of that, latest news out of new york, governor cuomo, who really ignited president's wrath saying he will go his own way with those other governors. connell? reporter: direct response from governor cuomo to the president's latest assertion that blake was reporting on that he feels as though he has total authority to determine when economies reopen, the governor at the start of a briefing still ongoing live from the state capital in albany said, i'm quoting him here, that is not accurate statement in my opinion. then he went on to address the tweet about the president's favorite movie that you were talking about a moment ago. he said he riley didn't know what the president was talking about with regard to that. in his next breath the governor of new york says we do not have

a king in this country that was all set up. you see some health officials, others continue the briefing in albany. as the governor was going through a number of statistics that would point to the statistics that the worse may be over with the fight of coronavirus in new york. we have in new york hit plateaued, apex, like drop in icu admissions. drop in intubations, people on a ventilator, we do have in the state about 200,000 cases of covid-19. the death number of 10,058 according to governor cuomo has risen in the last day by nearly 800. 778 people died he said yesterday. he called this the toughest number to report on daily basis. there is now nearly 11,000 dead in new york. 11,834. the trend are in the right direction and that is what cuomo is talking about. he has teamed up with a number of other governors in the east

and had this conference call yesterday about how they will go about reopening the economy. so the larger point, after the talking about the president's comments that governor cuomo made, once you get to opening up the economy, look at these trend, thing are improving nearly on a daily basis but almost because they are, you look at why they are, in his view it is because of some mitigation strategies that have been strictly enforced you have to be careful about how you go about the reopening. here is governor cuomo moments ago. >> worst scenario would be if we did all of this, we got that number down, everybody went to extraordinary means, and then, we go to reopen and we reopen too fast and we reopen and there is unanticipated consequences and we see that number go up again. reporter: clearly this is the governor who believes that he has control over that timing,

when to start to allow more traffic on sixth avenue in new york city and when to start to allow people to go back to work. he was balanced here, neil, over the last few minutes saying that, the curve is changing. he says, quote, we are changing the curve, meaning the behavior of residents of new york. then going on to make the point you just want to be careful as he said there, that you don't let that good work get away from you. that is why he feels like he and other governors have an important decision to make about the timing when business returns. back to you. neil: all right, connell, thank you very much. no matter when business does return, a number of big financial houses already said we're going to be in a world of hurt t could last a while. jpmorgan among those saying we'll take a serious hit here but the firm equally confident when all is said and done we will come back. jackie deangelis is here to spell it all out. jackie. reporter: market is trading

higher. connell laid it out beautifully in terms of optimism surrounding the trajectory of the curve right now. whether that can be maintained certainly an issue. for today the dow is trading up 500 points. that is interesting, because today is the day earnings season kicked off. jpmorgan is the first to report to get us going here, you can say the bad news the market was expecting was priced in here. jpmorgan earnings was a bad miss. 78 cents. the street was expecting $1.84. the issue that investors are worried about, the fact there is a $6.8 billion addition to bank reserves indicating that jpmorgan thinks defaults are coming as a result of the coronavirus. so that is really important to watch. there were a couple of bright spots, interesting in this report. the trading division saw 32% increase in revenue because of all the volatility we're seeing. bond revenue came in a billion higher than expected. wells fargo reported earnings were one cent. street was expecting 33 cents. the bank setting more money

aside for the credit losses this is something to think about as we move forward. there are other things happening on wall street adding to the optimism today. amazon, for example, hiring another 75,000 employees. that is in addition to the 100,000 they added because there is so much demand out there right you no. we've seen them raise wages as well. amazon hit a all-time high today. so did all walmart. companies getting a boost with the fact they are able to operate under these conditions. nasdaq with a nice gain. the longest winning streak we've seen since february. all the nasdaq has to do to get out of bear market territory is finish up 40 points. so if we can hold the 265, we will see that happen today, neil neil: all right. thank you very much, jackie. in the meantime we're focusing on what it will be like when we do get out of this? do we roll out of it slowly? do it in different parts of country differently?

gerry seib, good cruncher of numbers what the economic impact would be depending how we do that. gerri, the fact of the matter whatever won't come out of this all the a once. things might change. how do you see that playing out, number of big brokerage houses investment banks, are saying it will be bumpy and the hit is already at hand but how do you see it? >> i think one thing everybody has learned in the fight between the president and governor cuomo which you talked about a few minutes ago called this into question a little bit, but i thought one thing everybody learned the last two weeks, agreed upon, this would not be a flip the switch, turn it back on overnight scenario. dr. fauci warned us of that, it will be slow and staggered. it will take a while to turn everything back on. it will happen at different speeds, in different places, different cities, different states, different areas within the city conceivably. people look for a nice, neat end to this story.

i don't think that is in sight. i think everybody at the state level has now concluded that. i think that the interesting question of the day is, whether the president is trying to basically push against that consensus to say we're going to turn it all back on at the same time everywhere. neil: you know the president has been suing the mutiny "mutiny on the bounty" analogy, that governors want to go their own way, in concert with those on the northeast or the west coast. they're essentially doing what he warranted them to do at the outset to make their own decisions whether some soar of shelter in place was warranted, they could make that call. now he seems to be saying whatever decision i come up with soon, everybody has got to go along. it is sending mixed signals, isn't it? >> let's use a baseball analogy. i think what the president does with these statements on twitter, throw the equivalent after brush-back pitch. in other words, don't take it

too seriously or literally. you're not trying to hit the batter but move him off the plate. this is probably a signal from the president, to the governors, i know we will not agree on this, don't go your own way, don't get too far away from me i will cause you trouble. i think probably what he is intending to do here. it raises a specter of ugly moment we had couple weeks ago, president saying i will help the governors who are nice to me, won't help the governors who are nice to me. i think it would be regrettable moving back into that situation. maybe that is not what is going on here. maybe we're seeing signal sending, not literal threats. neil: all right but if the signal sending is such that i want you to know that i have the bully pulpit, even though people might have advised him you don't have the constitutional pulpit on this issue, mr. president, to what end does that go? you could say the cooperation this president enjoyed with governors and governors speaking highly of the help that he has provided that they have a very good productive relationship.

doesn't he risk souring that by sort of you know, prethreatenning on something that isn't even necessary? >> i think he does, clearly, and clearly he has decided a threat a worth it right now. i think what is really changed this week, i think the imperatives of the president on the one hand and governors on the other hand have separated. last week the imperative of everybody, let's flatten the curve, let's slow the spread. let's get the disease under control, let's get the virus under control. that is still the imperative for governors. that is what they believe they are tasked to do by their citizens. the president seems to move to different imperative. this week my imperative as chief executive, candidate for election is to get the economy back on. what you're seeing the manifestation of the divide between the goals of the president and the goals of the governors which last were in sync, this week all of sudden don't seem to be. neil: well-put, jerry seib,

thank you very much. you're quite right to point out, their goals, what they want out of this are very harmonious, very, very much in zing sync, to compare it to the movie, "mutiny on the bounty." i'm a huge man much the movie and central character captain bligh. there is one point in the movie seized by men on the boat, he says once seized it matter of supernatural indifference whether the knavetives can terminate. one of you invoke the incident which danger it, curse the man for giving his mother a birth. it's a movie. stay with us.

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neil: getting some nasty emails over my captain bleig impression. you say it doesn't sound like him at all. i think so. saying ma the may 1st target date might be overly optimist i can for many parts of the u.s. that is something the governors had said. he also says he does not have a critical testing and tracing procedures needed to reopen the economy n a comment sure to come back to haunt him, he said length of daily white house coronavirus briefings, make them really draining. so he is going to be really tweeted on that, i have a feeling. i'm kidding here. they are long briefings, but all questions are answered. sometimes again and again but for some of the participants it is a long, you know, that is a long day. let's get the read on a couple of other issues that have come up here, reopening, how you go

about it. how quickly you go about it, whether it it is rolling, different in one part of the country, one state versus another state. a doctor joins us right now. so much i want to talk to, but doctor, besides, more to the point promising treatments that could be out there but as a top medical pro yourself do you have any bias one way or the other about how we get back to work, when we get back to work, how it is sort staffingerred out, any preference? >> hi, thanks for having me. first of all at the level of the hospital we're treating for patients. we're fighting for each one. what i can say about going back to regular life, weapon just got to take it slowly, be patient. it is not going to happen fast but we really have to really do it slowly. neil: right now, doctor, the

president is meeting with those who had cove -- covid-19. what do you think of this group, the fact that 80 plus percent of people contract it do survive it? that is whole lot of people to look at, right? >> that's true. indeed most of the patients who have covid-19 they do indeed recover. a lot of them are even asymptomatic but even patients that come to the hospital, to our hospital just as an example, to holy name medical center, the vast majority get better and go home. the problem we're facing is with the patients that get intubated, go to the icu, that is definitely a tougher population to treat. neil: you know, doctor, you can

help me with this, maybe just one aberrant case in new jersey, the person treated with injection of cells from the placenta after babies are born and i'm wondering whether that showed promise, what you make of that, what you might know about it? >> so first of all more than everything that gives hope, not just insecting cells but injecting hope. it is absolutely here at our medical center on saturday morning we injected placenta-derived cells to 49-year-old patient intubated for three weeks. basically we base the thought that these cells might work based on their mechanism of action and based on things that we're experiencing looking and seeing how covid works. so one of the main issues we have with covid is that a lot of patients, they, after five to seven days, after they, the symptoms start they go into what we call the deterioration that

we call the -- storm. what these cells they might do, might sort of quiet down that storm which causes a lot of harm. which puts patients into major respiratory failure and often requires intubation and mechanical ventilation. neil: very interesting. doctor, thank you very much for taking time that looks promising. one of many aspects we're hearing of this, where unusual treatments come forward and might sort of dodge the need right away for outright vaccine. we'll keep eye on that. i want to thank the doctor on that. you might have seen the dow sprinting ahead. we'll give you latest on that. the latest on the meeting at the white house with coronavirus patient survivors. president has gone into the room. they leave the room. the tape is sent to us. it is not a day anymore. andrew what is it? it is a digital thing that comes

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things that came out of the care act. there is so much demand for this payroll protection program small businesses keep coming. there is $350 billion in the pot right now. of that, check out the numbers, 250 billion have already been processed through the small business administration. also one million 80,000 small businesses have gotten individual loans on this program. the administration is talking with congressional leaders to add another $250 billion with the program but right now there is a stalemate. >> we would like to fill up our loan cart with some extra help from congress because these payroll protection plans, the burn rate, they're so popular, the burn rate will get us out before this week is over. reporter: yeah, out of money by the end of the week. you heard larry kudlow there, the white house economic advisor. congressional sources are telling me within the last 18 hours, both treasury secretary

steve mnuchin and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, both reiterated the fact that they just want to change the number in the cares act and just increase it by 250 billion, and don't add anything else to this program. that is all going to happen in phase four stimulus package when that comes through. democrats wanting to add more to this, while they increased numbers specifically, house speaker nancy pelosi wants to take 60 billion of the 250 billion and only funnel it through community banks because the big banks have been so slow in getting this process going. back to you. neil: edward lawrence, thank you very, very much. the airlines are among groups that need help as well. in fact they're slated to get 25 to $35 billion. there are a couple of caveats attached to that. larry kudlow among others saying they will be loans, not grants. but the airlines in the meantime in a world of hurt, so much hurt, they're looking for money from the oddest places. not saying like change under

couch cushions but very, very close. grady trimble in chicago with more on that. hey, grady. reporter: hey, neil. looking for money anywhere they can get it and you can see why when you look around here. one of the busiest airports in the world but not today. this is the security checkpoint. it is not even open because there are so few passengers in this terminal. so one of the ways the airlines are reportedly looking into generating cash, according to "the wall street journal," united and delta are considering airline miles in bulk at a discount to credit card partners. this wouldn't affect consumers, would get credit card miles they dole out to customers at cheaper rate and allow airlines to get cash so desperately need as they await the government deal. united and delta wouldn't comment about the report. they didn't deny it either when i asked them about it. this comes at a time where air travel is reduced drastically.

almost 96% went through tsa check points, compared to 2.5 million people that went through tsa checkpoints in 2019. travel has taken a huge hit from this. when you look at the empty airport, hard to imagine people wanting to get back on to a plane, let alone traveling to europe but united is considering adding flights to the schedule three weeks from now. three of the flights would be to london and amsterdam and frankfurt. one would be to south america. united seeing some passenger demand in those markets. tell you neil, when you look around here, you don't see a lot of passenger demand. neil: no, you do not. in fact very little if any. thank you very much. grady trimble on all of that. passenger traffic by the way has slid 90% from when this first started reporting back in january and some of nation's busiest airports, logan international in boston down 96%. so these ghost towns keep cop

popping up at one airport. pretty much rule of thumb everywhere. we'll keep you posted on that. also keep you posted on the meeting the president is having right now with half a dozen oar so recovered covid-19 patients. we got a little bit going on. the president and vice president are in the room with the patients. they have all overcome and tested negative for the virus. they are even spaced out in the room and no one is wearing masks except members of the press pool. more after this.

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neil: we were i guess trying to work something out, our charlie

gasparino has been following that very closely in the middle of this whole pandemic. what do you have, buddy? >> i want -- wework situation in a minute but we have breaking news coming in from our congressional sources. they're telling that congress and small business administration is planning, pretty significant expansion of their pandemic relief for small businesses. congressional sources told fox business that they want to spend another6 billion -- 66 billion in loans and grants through the sba. first leg of stimulus package, had sba program of 10 billion. separate from ppp and separate from $350 billion in low interest loans. this will be another 66 billion on top of the 10 billion administered through the sba through loans and grants. that is where we are right now. we should also point out that congress and the white house are still working through the next phase of disaster relief which

could add on to the ppp. more money being thrown at the problem. maybe a good amount of money for small business. getting back to, we should point out yesterday we've reported, confirming it today, wework is tweaking its business model. very interesting, if you talk to anybody, any analyst, real estate on wall street out there. they will tell you if one company was in danger of bankruptcy and maybe liquidation through the entire pandemic problem and how it impacted economy and impacted sort of work space issues, people going to work and sharing space, as you know, wework is office sharing outlet, it was wework. what they're saying, what wework people are telling us, number one they have enough money on hand. they have a cash cushion. number two they're cutting everything that moves except for its core office sharing business. number three they will tweak their business model. what they are trying to do, i don't know if i buy this, a lot of analysts i ran this buy don't buy it, point out a whole story

on fox business.com we have written, make wework conducive to social distancing. they will try to sell the office space as a way instead of high density offices in major cities, if you are a big company, you want to off-load some of your workforce, instead of working from home, there is a middle ground. there is wework where there will be social distancing in place, hallways where people sit. they're unveiling this. they have a market asking brochure they will put out on this it may sound crazy. a lot of analysts don't buy it. but we work believes, they are telling us they believe they have a business model solution to the current problems. obviously there is a lot more going on with wework. they have long-term leases. they have short term revenues. they're warring with their, essentially with their owner, the largest investor, softbank but from what we understand, they are planning a way to come out of this and sell themselves in a post-pandemic environment

where social distancing in the office environment is the norm. there you have it, neil. back to you. neil: all right. great reporting, my friend. thank you very, very much, charlie gasparino. we know right now a lot of company earnings that are starting to come out have already telegraphed ahead of time that they were going to be in a world of hurt. better than 85 we're talking about the guidance issue, not knowing where things were going forward. so they kind of prepared the street for this confusion but it is safe to say many companies, though not all, financial names and others have surprisingly beaten estimates but by and large that group, that group, collectively has taken it on the chin. a lot of might have to do with the fact that their customers, who might be hard-pressed to make good on mortgage payments and the like were already seeing increase right now with the number of individuals who are missing mortgage payments, at least for this latest month, might continue doing so. half of all small businesses

didn't pay any april rent at all. so let's go to david work on all of this, national housing conference ceo. david, these would be largely expected, not a surprise. i'm just wondering if the percentages get higher in the near future and how this sort of plays out? what do you think? >> i mean if you have 16 million people out of work, no surprise two million of them can't afford to pay their mortgage. we need to make sure they get in contact with their servicers right away and help the servicers get in contact with them. communication is king here. and that is the way we'll make sure we stay on top of this. neil: now there is a difference between rental payments, mortgage payments, i get that but already a number of governors, phil murphy of new jersey comes to mind where he wanted 90, to 120 day freeze on any actions against those who are in arrears or who will be in arrears on payments, no legal action can be taken against

them. i brief that was just provided for individuals, i could be wrong but what do you make of that? >> well it's a good start but you have to remember if you can't pay your mortgage now, you will not be able to pay three mortgage payments in three months. we have to get the mortgage payments put on back end of the loan. if there are rent payments for businesses we need to figure out a way to cover those because having companies going out of business or having individuals go into foreclosure three or six months from now, just kicks the hand down the road and put as housing crisis on top of a health care crisis. neil: when you hear reports, certainly there will be a bump in home prices, there is obviously a freeze in activity. you can't look and shop around at homes unless you do so virtually, there will be impact, but wonder what you think that impact will be? >> i think in the near term, it is logical home prices would go down because of lack much supply and demand being taken out of

the system all together. in the longer term, we have no idea, i mean i think, i don't know is almost always the best answer in these kinds of situations because we never been here before i think we have to prepare for the worst and hope for the best and we'll get through it. neil: what do you think, david, two different analogies how we come out of this, a coiled spring, the president likened to that effect, there will be a dramatic boom turn around, a v-shaped recovery whatever you want to call it because of pent up frustration, people have been in homes, they want to go out to work and do things and they will. same might apply in the housing arena and all. what do you think of that? >> i hope that's the case. i think that it is more reasonable to assume that there is going to be a staged reenentry into normal economy. it will happen in fits and starts. we'll have to be very mindful

that we don't overdo it, so we end up having a spike in the viruses that then force us back at home. and so, i'm really looking for a staged recovery. and we're going to have to pay a lot of attention to what each stage of that reentry means, and because we want to make sure we have the support for the system that is necessary to make it a success. i don't see it like turning on a light switch, although it would be great if that happened. neil: david, real quickly, the white house, we'll be getting a feed as the president is meeting with coronavirus survivors but is it your preference to open up the government or get back, i should say to where we were as soon as possible? >> i want us to get back as soon as we can without taking any additional health risks. because. worse than continuing to be shut down for a couple months, would be opening up and then having to

fall backwards. that is something we do not want to do. neil: david, thank you very much. i'm jumping on you for the president of the united states. >> they have all got very interesting and very different stories to tell. i thought what i would do, go around the room. honor to have them at the white house. they're very brave. some were right at the edge. they thought is it was over. this is a rough, a rough plague. i call it the plague, i call it the scourge, i call it whatever you want to call it, it's rough, it's bad and a woman that i really found fascinating and she is from a state that is a great state and a city that is been hit very hard, really, very, very hard, detroit, miley respected. she is a political person. she doesn't happen to be a republican. and that's okay. when things are not going good, you get a little help from a republican we'll take that too, but your story was just a fantastic story. we're going to go around the

room. each of you, this man was a nfl football player 10 years, a friend of tom brady, and he was hit hard. you weren't so strong when you got hit by that. >> not so strong at all, definitely. yeah. >> you were not, you were saying, you didn't feel too powerful. if we could go around the room. start with you, representative. congratulations. this is incredible story. >> thank you, mr. president, mr. vice president, an honor to be here and honor to be amongst all of you survivors. i can't say how wonderful it is to see your face. thank you for everything you had done. i did not know saying thank you had a political line. i didn't know that i thought saying thank you meant thank you. i sincerely do. i appreciate that. had you not brought this to the forefront of the hq, of being able to put this out here, i wouldn't be here today to even have this conversation with you and to be able to talk about the

needs of detroit and talk about the people who really need this. and they need help. you're here to address that, and i sincerely appreciate that from the both of you, from the bottom of my heart, from the people of my city. >> you were so incredible as a representative, both in terms much how you got better and what you went through. and your husband sounds like a great gentleman. he went down there, he took care of things, right? he -- >> [inaudible] >> that means he loves you. some husbands would say, let's not bother. he will do whatever he has to do, right? >> yes. >> that was late in the evening you did that. >> late in the evening. >> we had drugstores stocked with the medicine, and that's fantastic. why don't you say what got you to go late in the night to the drugstore? >> what got me to go late at night, we were trying to do everything we could. she is real sick. so we were in kind of a panic.

she is making phone calls. once we got the doctor to put in the script -- >> that doctor. >> i see. >> we went to get it. >> doctor did a good job. >> the doctor is amazing. world-renown doctor in the state of michigan. >> is he a doctor from a hospital or local doctor or? but he is in charge of the ama and it's -- he's been on fox but the doctor is amazing. he's taken care of my family as well and i have lost several family members to covid, all in one household. my cousin was in icu, she lost her husband. he was turned away from numerous hospitals, as was she, over four times. within six hours she lost her father-in-law who was turned away numerous times. her whole family had to be tested, which are seven family

members. of those seven family members, she's had three of those test positive and that is her children. >> how are they doing? >> thanks to what you have done, they're doing great. >> so they took the hydroxy, then? >> yes, they did. but it can't be just based on my name and your name. it needs to be something that's readily available to everyone in the city of detroit. >> i hear that the governor has gone all out for it, from being totally opposed to it. now she's all out for it. so that's what i'm hearing. that's a good thing. i think it's a good thing. so your mother said when you started that walk or run, what the hell do i have to lose, right? you know my expression, what do i have to lose. she was in bad shape. i understand -- congratulations. it's an incredible story. i like democrats. i especially like this democrat. you have a beautiful presence and you are a beautiful couple.

thank you for coming. >> thank you for having us. >> i have a feeling she's going to go very much up. she's a good representative right now but i have a feeling politically, do you have any further political ambitions, do you think? >> i actually did not even aspire to be a state representative, to be perfectly honest. >> i don't know, i may have to cross party lines. i may have to work with her across party lines. thank you very much. great honor to have you. please. tell us your story. >> my story is that we were on the "diamond princess" at ground zero and i didn't get the virus there, although i kept it positive there, didn't learn about it until later. we were brought back thanks to you, we were brought back by the state department -- >> nobody would take the "diamond princess." no one in the country would take it, nobody wanted it. you know they call it a ghost ship. not good. so we took it. >> it was like we were on a

floating petri dish. we were watching the bodies get off daily, off into ambulances, taken out one by one, a total of 750 of us over time were taken out. we were more than double the amount of outbreaks, if you added everyone in the world at the time other than china, and china wasn't giving us any information. if you added all that up, we doubled the amount of people who have the virus. >> how many people died ultimate l ultimately on the ship? >> 11 people died from the "diamond princess." on the plane ride back, on the 747 military plane, i woke up with a high fever, over 103. they put me in a quarantine area next to about eight other people. we landed in sacramento at travis air force base, then they saw me, i have a precondition of

guillain-barre syndrome. >> you did have a precondition. >> i had a precondition. they flew me, they had three of us in quarantine and then my wife and two others who didn't have the virus, and my wife never got the virus. >> you were together, no six-foot thing, no nothing, you were together and you didn't catch it. >> yesterday providence health and services on the west coast started to do a study -- >> study on you? we don't need him. we need you. >> to help create a vaccination. >> you think you had it before, there was an immunity, without knowing it? >> i think so. we'll find out. >> that's fantastic. it's amazing to be together like that and not catch it. >> not only that, we had -- we were going back and forth in

each of our cabins, they got exposed, they got the virus. >> how did they do? >> they did great. they came out great. we were stuck on a bus for six and a half hours with people with the virus. on the plane, people had the virus. she sat next to a husband of a couple who got married on the "diamond princess." they were in their 40s. the wife was next to me in the special quarantined area on the plane. the husband was next to her, coughing away. >> did you feel comfortable? >> actually, i put a blanket over my head. >> did you cover your head or something? >> i put a blanket over my head because we were so cold and the smell from the toilet, the portable toilet on the plane was so bad. >> that was on a plane? >> that was on the cargo plane. >> then you had a bus? >> the bus was first. that was a very long process getting off the bus. >> that was no pleasure either.

amazing. >> our friend from st. george did not have it on the boat, but tested four days later at fort travis. he either got it on the plane or on the bus. >> you two, do you think it brought you together closer? >> absolutely. >> i can see it, you know? it brings you together. does that make any sense? >> remember biocontainment area in omaha, then a lower level -- >> you were very sick at one point, right? >> just the first day on the plane. i had the 103 fever. by the time i got to omaha, i was okay. i still had symptoms, i still had a cough that stayed with me for about two and a half weeks. i had shortness of breath for about four to five days. >> how bad was that shortness of breath? was it noticeable? >> it was not noticeable when i was lying in bed but if i got up and walked around the room, if i

walked around the room and talked on the phone at the same time, trying to multi-task, that was impossible to do. >> really. how about you? you had shortness of breath, too, right? >> yeah. >> how bad was the shortness? >> the shortening of breath is what really got me afraid because i do have lyme disease. thank you for mentioning about lyme disease. >> lyme disease is a big deal. >> thank you for bringing that to the forefront. >> do you think you still have lyme disease? >> i have chronic lyme disease. >> can you get rid of it? >> i'm hoping -- >> lot of times these are things people don't talk about. this is brutal. if you have a certain type of blood, you have no chance. >> it's brutal. on top of having covid-19 with it is a nightmare. but the breathing is what scared me the most and it came -- i went from zero to a hundred. it was from getting tested on march 31st to trying to do a few things around the house to just

all of a sudden, my breathing became labored. >> you actually had a hard time breathing. >> oh, yeah. i was afraid for my life. until anyone has been in that person's shoes, until you have walked that walk, sitting there knowing the hospitals near you are full, the very few hospitals that are near you that you have access to that you cannot get into -- >> do you think in retrospect you were better staying home, because those hospitals can be crowded -- >> i didn't know what my status was so can you imagine, you don't know what your status is and if you could get into the hospital and in a way, i was filling up with fluid, my lungs, my breathing being labored, i felt if i didn't get that medication, it was either the medication or die. >> you thought you were going to die? >> i honestly thought i was going to die. like i tell people, i'm telling my story, i'm telling my truth. i'm not telling anyone else's story. i'm not telling anyone else what to do. i'm telling my story and my

truth and this is how i feel and these are my words. >> well, i'm not going to speak for her but i don't see her voting for sleepy joe biden. i'm not going to ask her that question. she votes for sleepy joe, i would be surprised. okay? anyway, incredible story. great story. thank you. but your wife, i think we will keep your wife around. we will keep her around. >> unbelievable. unbelievable. >> great, great stories. thank you both very much. please. go ahead. >> yeah. i mean, i consider myself a relatively healthy individual, probably get sick once every couple years. you know, to think that i had something like this was very kind of surprising. i think that to think that you have a virus after being such a healthy individual -- >> you know where you caught it? >> i travel a lot. i had the flu a little bit. my immune system was compromised while i was traveling and it

could have been just kind of community transfer. it's been just accepting that i had it i think was the very hardest part. but then for something like that to take me down to almost datys of fever -- >> did you feel bad? >> i never felt this bad in most recent recollection. >> you said you had the flu a number of times. how did you compare this to the flu? >> never felt the symptoms for this long. >> so a bigger, better, much more event for you? >> yeah. i only took tylenol the entire time. i took a lot of it. the most frustrating part honestly was trying to get a test. i think that going in numerous places and being turned away by a sign on the door that said don't come in here if you have these symptoms -- >> when was that? >> this was early march. i think part of the challenge was there was a lot of people saying a lot of different things and kind of knowing what to believe, where to go, you kind

of go in circles a lot. >> when did you find out officially that you had it? >> i think on march -- probably about seven or dates into my fever, i found out. i got the test eventually. it's kind of interesting, there are certain key words when you say those at an e.r. they automatically treat you differently. for me, it was more of an education for a lot of my friends and family. >> okay. so what were the words? >> for me it was more of i have a fever and i had been in san francisco. those two -- >> did that make them treat you better or worse? or did they treat you like you had the covid? >> they treated me like i had covid. they sent me outside of the e.r. to make sure i don't kind of become contagious and infect other people and i waited for a little bit and they came in and swabbed me. they did kind of take me a lot seriously and got me a test, so i think it's one of those things that there's a lot of unknowns,

a lot of questions as to who to test, who not to test. at that time there were a lot of people providing recommendations. >> did you ever think you were going to die? >> so when i got the news that i had covid, i think i have anxiety because there was so much going on. i think that kind of accelerated my shortness of breath symptoms. the second day i kind of felt that, you know, something was wrong, i need to go in the hospital. i didn't necessarily think i was going to die but i have never felt this bad before. i think i needed medical attention. >> if you had gotten worse you would have been in deep trouble. did you have a problem with your breathing? >> i did. i got a pulse ox meter and just having one of those and knowing your oxygen levels are normal is like kind of a confidence builder that you're not going downhill. but -- >> what was it showing? >> mine was always above 95%. >> so it looked okay but you still felt a shortness of breath? >> yes. >> so when did you get better? >> probably around day 11, i had gotten better. >> that's a long time, isn't it.

that's a long time. you got there quickly. >> after the medication. >> after the medication. >> it was a long road. >> amazing you can't get people to officially, you know, if somebody else endorsed that medication, it would be great. >> i think you would have a lot of endorsements if -- >> no, by the way, we have tremendous endorsements but if it was somebody else other than president trump that put it forward, if some other person put it forward they would say oh, let's go with it. you know, what do you have to lose? they have been taking it for 40 years for malaria which by the way, it's an unbelievable malaria pill. unbelievable lupus pill. unbelievable. the problem we had is people with lupus. >> it was my disease. >> i heard. lyme disease, too. very powerful. but it's incredible because there's so many stories like yours. i actually haven't heard a bad story, you want to know the

truth. normally you hear some good ones, some bad ones, and you still give it a shot. i haven't heard a bad story. so it's pretty amazing, actually. but that's okay. the people get it. these people don't get it, the media, but the people get it. anyway, well, that's a great story. so you're feeling good now? >> yeah. >> you going to go conquer the world as a young handsome guy? huh? how old are you? >> 34. >> that's great. you have a great life ahead of you. congratulations. great job. so i have seen this man. >> my story is unlike a lot of these people here, my wife is with me, we both were in colorado, came back to arkansas, and on the following monday we had mostly her flu-like symptoms. i felt a little bit bad, fatigued, but my symptoms were not bad. i was diagnosed because i took her to the doctor on tuesday and

he, the doctor had enough intuition to look at me and could tell that something was wrong. >> the doctor, you are talking about? >> primary care, hers, and i was in the room -- >> you look like a very wealthy couple. you agree? i think they're loaded. >> so i think the scary thing about me, because he tested me and i was positive, she also was positive, but i never had fever, i never had respiratory issues. i did have the body aches, chills, i felt overall bad, but in general, i would have gotten up that monday morning if she had not been sick, even though i felt bad, i would have gone to work, i would have continued on my daily routine and i'm fearful that maybe -- >> what do you do? >> i work in sales for a pharmaceutical company. so my fear is that people are

not exhibiting symptoms -- >> your wife had a much harder time? >> yeah, she was bad. >> how bad did it get? >> well, not as bad as some of these but definitely with that shortness of breath which actually came later which is another thing that's interesting. the first few days, i just had a really bad headache and fever, low fever, 100.4, enough to make you feel bad, and the chills and aches. then that lasted about five, six days. then i thought i was fine, you know, it was just kind of like a bad flu, not that big a deal. and you know, still in quarantine and everything but it was the second week that the respiratory hit. >> so you almost felt you were better and then it came back? >> 100%. not relief, but felt strong enough and then was hit hard i think like that next wednesday.

then the shortness of breath and i also got a pulse ox which made me feel better. it came in waves. i had three probably different waves and tested positive again after a month. i am negative now. >> how long did it take all together? >> over a month. >> over a month? >> we were positive on the 12th -- >> first symptoms were march 9th. >> first symptoms were the 9th. i didn't test negative until five days ago. >> that's incredible. how are you now? >> i'm great. >> would you say 100%? >> i would say 85. >> stay away from me, please. keep her away. >> the people that we were with in colorado, every adult was positive with covid-19 and when we returned, we visited frien friends -- >> how did they all do?

>> so far, everybody is fine. no one's gone into the hospital. i think they are working with us doing the things we're doing, we are donating blood when necessary, i have done convalescent plasma as well. >> seems to be very important. a lot of people when they recover want to donate blood, because your blood is very good for this, right? >> absolutely. >> according to every study we have, it's good. the only question is, is it for one year or is it for a lifetime. could be, the measles and things, it's a lifetime, they say. but it's going to be interesting. we just don't know because it hasn't been here long enough. it could be for a lifetime. so you donated blood? >> i actually did convalescent plasma. >> that's good. that's good. >> it's very promising. >> congratulations. you will be 100% soon? >> absolutely. i think i'm almost scared to say that because i think i situated th said that before and -- i'm good.

>> that's a great story. thank you very much, both. great. great that it worked out so well. has anybody, you're okay, you are as good -- do you feel you are as good as before this happened? >> yeah. >> that's good. i think you do, right? i think you're better. she's a hot political property now. >> you do have, i think because of my underlying condition, i do have the tiredness that comes in. the tiredness kicks up and it will come out of nowhere and i just kind of plummet. >> i'm a little surprised they can't do something with your lyme disease. >> that's because [ inaudible ]. >> i could have you see the doctor over here. white house doctor, ask the white house doctor, seriously, because lyme disease can be very very bad. >> i don't have a doctor any longer. >> is it legal for me to allow her to use the white house doctor? you know what, if it's not, i will suffer the repercussions. i don't care.

the democrats might not like that. >> there are a lot of people in michigan that do have eight lyme bills i am putting forward because you cannot get treated in michigan as a doctor for lyme disease. >> people don't know about lyme disease. it's very bad. >> it's something i'm working on. >> there's something over a period of time you can treat generally. it also can kill you. lyme disease, if you have a certain type blood, you get lyme disease, it's over. it's literally over. i think type o. type o blood is not too good. if you have type o blood, stay out of the woods. right? >> it's not even the woods. i got this at home at 5 years old. >> you got it at home? but usually it's from a deer tick, right? >> it is a deer tick. >> where did the tick come from? >> the tick does not discriminate. it will get on anything. >> so it comes somehow. right? >> yes. birds, anything. it doesn't discriminate. >> it's like when i hit a ball into the rough in golf. you know what i say? enjoy yourself. i'm not going in there.

that lyme disease is pretty tough. >> it is. >> it's a bad one. i would like you to see our doctor before you leave, okay? >> thank you. >> i'm going to just say it because sometimes they have a very very powerful antibiotic and let's see if we can help you out. okay? so this man, as you can possibly tell by looking, was a great athlete, was a great football player. he said tom brady says hello to you. tom brady's a friend of mine and a great guy and just signed a nice new big contract, right? with a team that's supposed to have a lot of potential, tampa bay. i figured he picked a team, i'm sure he only picked a team with a lot of potential. how do you think tom brady's going to do? >> i think he will do great. coach aryans is a guy i worked with before for the cleveland browns. they will work great together. >> mark spent ten years in the nfl and i guess you played with tom brady at michigan, right? >> yep.

sure did. >> could you see at michigan, because he was picked a little bit late, right, could you see the greatness in tom brady at michigan or not necessarily? >> absolutely not. he was a great college player but i mean, look, they're saying he's the greatest of all time now. >> yeah. that's hard to see. but you thought he was really a great player in college? >> of course. you know, so as a quarterback, the most important thing as with being quarterback of the united states is leadership. he always had that work ethic. >> you had drew henson -- see, i have a good memory. nobody thinks i have a good memory. nobody has a better memory than trump. unless i don't want to remember things and that happens, too. you had a quarterback who was actually a star and he signed with the yankees because he wanted to play baseball. problem is he couldn't hit the curveball. right? couldn't hit a major league curveball. but he was a great football player but he got hurt. tom brady took over, the team became much better, right?

>> that's correct. >> that's been tom brady's thing, right? they added drew and the patriots. >> out of crisis comes opportunity. >> that's what happened. that's exactly what happened. let's say hello to tom when you see him, okay? he's a great guy. so you are a big strong guy, ten years in the nfl. what position did you play? >> i played tight end. >> wow. you're a big guy for tight end. that's very good. >> i didn't say i was a fast tight end. >> were you a good catcher? you could hold it? >> yeah, i could catch the ball. >> were you a blocker more or less or receiver? >> i would tell you i was probably more a blocker. >> that's great. how big are you? 6'6"? >> just under 6'6," right now i'm about 252. i had a coronavirus diet but i played at about 260, 265. >> you look fantastic. tell us, you are a big powerful guy and this little bug, knocked the hell out of you, right?

>> mr. president, if i may, from everybody at this table, i don't think they mind if i speak for them, we want to applaud and thank you both for your efforts the past three weeks. it's been outstanding. we certainly appreciate it. >> i appreciate you being here, mark. the american people are watching this and i'm finding it fascinating from football players to state reps to all of the things you people do from a rich couple that wants to go skiing, they say what the hell, you going to sue the ski place, don't bother, but no, it's so fascinating to see all different people, different types, different jobs, different everything, all different parts of the country. tell us what happened, mark. >> so you know, i'm 44, like you mentioned. ex-athlete, still work out as much as i can. not as hard as i used to but still work out, in shape. essentially i was driving with my family in northern michigan. i have three kids and a wife.

stopped, the only thing i can think of i did out of the ordinary, none of them, thank god, ever had symptoms, still don't have symptoms, i'm quarantined for them, i touched a gasoline pump handle. that's the only thing i can think of. i don't exactly know how, to be completely frank with you, how i had it. >> that's the only thing, because you must go back and torture yourself -- >> can't figure it out. lots of times. when it's all said and done i have had roughly 30 days of quarantine. that's 30 days without being able to kiss your kids and wife. do those things you normally do. >> why so long? >> because basically at 12 days, i went into the hospital. i spent another five days in the hospital and when i got out of the hospital, i asked the physician, you know, how long does the quarantine last and i think the safe and easy answer was 14 days. now, i'll tell you, i was rochester, michigan, they were

fantastic. especially the nurses, got bless the nurses. my sister dianne is one of them. they were fantastic. they were absolutely fantastic. for a place where the one thing i think we have all kind of touched upon is look, when you are in the hospital, when you are in that position, it's lonely. i don't know if that sounds weak or what but you're by yourself. >> no one can really come in and see you. >> not allowed. so when the nurses come in to check your vitals every three to four hours it's like all right, i got somebody to talk to. especially when you start to feel better. >> very good guy, right? gregarious, they call you. he wants people. he wants people. that's good. go ahead. >> yeah. so you know, i went through that process. well, technically, just if i may back up, i thought there's no way, okay. i should check my temperature, i don't feel right but i thought to myself there's no way. in fact, i made the joke to my wife michelle that i think i got

coronavirus, totally kidding. i took my temperature, it was 102.6. i did like any guy or at least my buddies would do, i said i'm going to go watch a movie and see if it backs off. well, it didn't. i went through the drive-through for screening that basically i was sent home and said well, quarantine for 14 days and you will get through this, chances are you probably have it. the athlete if me, i will tell you this, the athlete in me is that's the tough guy that just pushes, right? grinds and just getting things done. it kind of worked against me here because truthfully, if i could have recognized hey, stop trying to beat this thing when it's only getting worse, i probably would have went to the hospital sooner. i do not and i was very aware of not overwhelming hospitals but my point to you for bringing that up is i probably would have also got out of the hospital much quicker. so it took a five-day stay possibly than a two or three-day stay if they had prescribed --

>> you took the hydroxy? >> i did. >> and that made a big difference? >> i would say within 12 hours, i already saw improvement. when i went into the hospital, i -- >> you were pretty bad for awhile? >> yeah. my pulse ox was 86. you know, so i did not get put on a ventilator or something like that. certainly i was provided oxygen support, went on the cpap. >> you had the azithromycin too? >> and the drip. you're just sitting there hanging out. but that period of driving to the hospital, my wife is driving me and just seeing her concern, you see how much they're concerned, i would much rather me have it than she had it or the kids. >> she never got it? >> she never got it. >> she was next to you, you're driving together, she never got it. maybe she's tougher than you are. >> there's no doubt she's

tougher than me. no doubt about it. >> that's amazing. so the end result is you think you are as good as new, right? >> i would say probably 95%. the only thing is my lung capacity isn't quote where it was. >> oh, really. >> yeah. if i went for a jog, i would probably -- >> once it gets too far advanced, it's tough. >> i had -- >> that's where the z-pack comes in, i think. why did you take the hydroxy? why did you do that? you saw it on television? >> i asked them about it. i didn't know what it was called at the time. i just said the malaria drug. they said okay, they ran through some different thoughts about it. >> and they had it? >> they had it. they sure did. >> we stocked up the hospitals. we got 29 million doses.

we stocked up a lot of -- i think almost all the hospitals. that's great. so you saw it somewhere and said you will take anything? >> absolutely. actually, my business partner troy evans, he's the one who sent me a text and said ask if you can get that. so between him and the doctor, i run some small businesses, you know, having those and thanks to all of them as well, right, 46 employees and all that, in order to do that, in order for me to do that and to be -- you have to have good people and thank goodness, i did. >> i want to thank you. that's great. that's really a great story to see somebody like you knocked cold by the invisible enemy, right? that was tougher than any football player you ever played, right? >> that's absolutely correct. >> you played against some tough ones. i know you did. >> there were some battles that weren't so good for me but i always kept fighting. >> you did a great job. anybody can be in the nfl for ten years, that's a bigotry

bea -- big tribute. the new ones come along and you think ten years is a long time in the nfl. that's a great tribute to you as a fighter. i want to thank everybody. this has been incredible. i thought this would be a five-minute meeting but i have each one of your stories, so interesting and hopefully the media can play some of these because we are going through something the likes of which i guess we have never seen, maybe you go back to 1917, 1918, that was the big plague. that was the big one then. anywhere from i guess 75 to 100 million people died. it started here, started in a location i don't want to say because i love that location. i'm not going to say it. but it started in this country and actually got brought to europe and europe is where it did its, you know, thousands of people died here. large numbers. but in europe, tens of millions

of people died. so we gave them no favor when hover it whoever it is went over to europe. not since then have we seen anything like this. we are winning our battle. we are winning our war. we will be announcing very good things in the near future. the american public has been great, far greater than anybody would have thought. they had minimum numbers of 100,000 and i think we are going to beat that. 100,000 deaths. can you believe that? that was a minimum. if we didn't practice what we practiced and if we dit a different way, because we had a maximum of 2.2 million people, who knows even if that's right, but the way i look at it, if you cut it in half and cut it in half again, it's 500,000 or 600,000. that's what we lost in the civil war. that's not acceptable. we couldn't have done it, to bull through, as we call it, to bull through it, just treat it like the flu. we did that. so we made the right moves. now we have to get our country open again. you all know that.

but this was great. i was talking to mike, i said come on, this will take five minutes. it's taken a lot longer than five minutes. that's because i found it so interesting. really great. mike, do you have something to say? >> i just want to thank all of these courageous americans. thank you for being willing to be here and share your story. it is a tribute to ryour resilien resilience, tribute to health care workers that were there for you. i just, the president and i wanted to have a chance to see all of you and let the country hear your stories because while we rightly as a nation fleekt on the more than 23,000 americans who have succumbed to the coronavirus, as a tribute to our health care workers, we also do well to reflect on more than 44,000 americans who have fully recovered and you are among them. so i want to thank you for sharing your story. it truly gives hope to families

that are looking on who have a loved one struggling with coronavirus today. i just want to promise you that this president, this vice president, our entire white house coronavirus task force, are going to continue to work every day, have more stories like yours across this nation until we put the coronavirus in the past and eventually some day have a vaccine that ends this once and for all. >> i think so. i think we are making a lot of progress on vaccines. we are making a lot of progress on maybe a cure, meaning a pill. because i think right now, i would like to have that more than the vaccine. the vaccine takes a little longer because they have to test it for a period of a year or more. so it's something we are going to come with and i really think we are making therapeutically, making tremendous, i think tremendous progress. tremendous progress. we are going to see whether or

not what you did and whether or not what cara did, whether or not that's a big part of the answer but i think it could be a part of the answer. let's see. it's one alternative but we will have numerous alternatives. another one just came, the gilead drug, remdesivir just came out. it didn't come out, it's a highly sophisticated, very very sophisticated treatment that seems to show good promise also. i want to thank you all. could i ask you a question? you are a great reporter and a nice man. look at you with that mask. you look very good. you actually look much better, i think. what do i know. am i allowed to take cara over to see the white house doctor, see if we can help her out with lyme disease? lyme disease is a problem and there are some answers. what do you think? are you guys going to report me for being a horrible human being for doing something illegal? because i can help her out with

lyme disease? you think maybe, because i would like to do that. what do you think? shall i do it? >> can't advise you on that. >> they never like to take chances but i do. we will take a chance on it, okay? thank you very much. we will have a news conference a little bit later. we will announce the groups of people that are going to be talking to us. we have made a lot of progress today. you see what's happening with our bump, our big bump in the road and our big bump is a lot less than a lot of people thought it would be because of the american people. they have been incredible. i just want to thank everybody. we will have a news conference in a little while. we will announce the people that we'll be talking to and i'm going to be making a decision pretty quickly and it's being done in conjunction with governors. we have tremendous support from governors. what i do is going to be done in conjunction with governors but we will be doing that in a little while, especially in terms of the people. we have a lot of great people in this country that know the different fields and we have a

lot of skill is going to have to be used to get our country back to where it was, and we want to do it quickly. whether it's restaurants or whether it's airplane business or whether it's a lot of other things, we have a lot of businesses and we have the best people in every profession including medical and including political. a political group, too, lot of great politicians. so -- well, some are great. some aren't so great but we want to have a sampling of everybody. i want to thank you all. you folks are fantastic. just get better, get your job finished up, okay, you will be 100%. you look great. thank you very much. you and your husband are going to come with me. i will have you sent over to the white house doctor. they have really great doctors. they just wait for me. they say, they're there for me. they are there for you, too. if anything should happen, it's very interesting.

i was with somebody, not so long ago, and he thanked us. he had a bad -- something happened to him and it was at a certain location and within like a minute and a half, there were seven doctors standing over, they had oxygen. i said i have never seen anything like it. so they are prepared. they are great. we will take you over, maybe we can find something for you. okay? >> sounds great. >> we will knock out two of them. knock out two of them. thank you all very much. we will see you in a little while. thank you. neil: the president of the united states just had an exchange with looks like half a dozen covid-19 survivors. several of them are taking some of these malaria drugs the president has represented, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine the president has been saying at the outset and has pushed this, what have you got to lose.

i just want to be very very clear here that some worry about the side effects of such drugs, whatever their promise in addressing this coronavirus. for example, quoting from the mayo clinic on this, it warns that both of those drugs could in some cases prompt dangerous and potentially deadly heart arrhythmias and this is three million people worldwide with some type of congenital cardiac condition. for this group, this particular group, they are vulnerable to erratic heartbeats and sudden death when taking hydroxychloroquine. it's rare but it is out there. so the symptoms and some ancillary side effects of taking this drug are real. so the notion is what the hell have you got to lose and i know what the president was saying, it's an available potential treatment. well, the thing you have to lose is your life in some cases with those with an errant heart condition or god forbid, worse, they could die from these side

effects. roughly 13% of americans who take antidepressants are vulnerable to bad reactions according to the mayo clinic from hydroxychloroquine. we're not saying this to sort of say that it isn't a possible treatment or course of treatment for this, but there are risks associated quite serious side effects. we will be going into that in a little while. that's why there's a battle back and forth as to whether this is the great promise it has been touted to be. many people hope it will be but there are serious issues to consider depending on the conditions you are battling. just wanted to get that out there. i talk to a lot of doctors, more than you ever know. connell mcshane been following all of this. connell, i notice they were all safely distanced apart here but it was an interesting read of individuals who had this, beat this, are moving on from this. but the back-and-forth, what did you think?

>> well, in terms of the story of the day, the news came at the end with the president's comments about wanting to open the country quickly but was also careful to say he wants to do it in conjunction with governors, of course with the back-and-forth with governor cuomo in new york and other governors announcing in the last couple days they will be working together in coalition to come up with a plan, and the president saying yesterday that he had the total authority in his view to determine what the plan would be, and had the final say. that was the most newsworthy moment. it was nice to see some of these individuals, carl goldman, for example, had been a guest over the last couple months on fox a number of times. in fact, we had him on "after the bell" one day. very nice to see carl again, who had been on that "diamond princess" ship. one of the things i remember about his case in particular is that, you know, as he said, today he had it rough early on and didn't feel well but once he got to the medical facility in nebraska, he started to feel better but the thing was they kept giving him a test and he would test positive. the virus stayed in his system

for so long. i think as you went around the room and heard the different stories from the different survivors of covid-19, you did get some -- something of a sense of how differently this virus, as i suppose is the case with any virus, acts differently in particular people. so acan tattacking one person is of shortness of breath, someone else didn't have a fever, other people had high fever. that was an interesting perspective. but again, i think the news, we will see what happens at the briefing which i believe is set for the 5:00 eastern hour again at the white house, was that the president's comments, he said he will have this advisory counsel announced in terms of people that are working with him on reopening the economy, but he was again, he's been back and forth on all this, it did seem like a little bit of different tone compared to yesterday where he said i'm the absolute authority, it's up to me and whathave you, where today he said i'm going to make a decision very soon, took a pause and said that decision is being made in conjunction with the governors. we'll see what comes out later today.

neil: connell, thank you very much. connell mcshane. senator rob portman joins us right now from ohio. how are things first off, senator? always good to have you. how are things going in your state with the coronavirus? >> thanks, neil. going pretty well compared to other states. we started early in mid-march. governor dewine and the health director dr. amy atkins took an aggressive approach to social distancing and shutting down businesses, where people weren't permitted to gather and it worked. our cases are lower. it was actually spread out so we haven't reached a peak quite yet which gives the hospitals a chance to get ready for the surge [ inaudible ]. with people having done the right things, it will be less severe. however, we have the same issues every state does. how do you reopen, how do you help hospitals get back into elective surgery so they can

have revenue coming in, how do you tell a small business that was shut down by government edict it's time to reopen your doors and how do they do that? i think one thing that's been missing in this, to jump ahead to your next question, probably, is i don't think it's between the governors and the president. i think it's up to individuals. i don't think people are going to go back to restaurants if they don't feel safe. i don't think folks will go back to work if they don't feel safe. i don't think parents will send their kids back to school if they don't feel safe. this is a bigger issue than just elected officials deciding when it's time and coming up with some arbitrary deadline. it's about design. it's about people feeling secure that if they do go back into the workplace or back into places where people gather, that it will be safe. that's why i think the testing is absolutely crucial. neil: that's probably the smartest thing i have heard on this getting back to work. we forget about the individuals involved and whether they feel

comfortable leaving their homes, forget about going back to work, sending their kids back to school. i'm wondering, too, senator, in this environment, whether people feel just nervous about whenever we time it or how we roll it out or whether it's different in different states and regions, i get that, we could leave out the constitutional argument whether the president has the power to sort of just order this, he seemed to show a willingness to work with governors and others to coordinate a response, but for individuals, if the response is coordinated or not, how do you get them over their fear? they have to see cases go away, right, not just increases in cases declining. they have to see a hell of a lot more testing than we have now. it's dramatically improved in this country, don't get me wrong, but we need millions of more tests. i think until we get that, aren't those individuals you talk about going to be leery of leaving? >> i think it's a great point. i think we need measurements,

metrics. we talked about this a couple weeks ago, you need to have enough testing out there so there's meaningful data that says hey, we got fewer cases than we had the previous day. we got fewer hospitalizations, fewer icu patients [ inaudible ]. -- the number of cases per day, when that starts to decrease, which is not happening yet in ohio or in most places, washington, d.c. it's not happening, because we haven't reached a peak in those places yet, then i think people will based on the advice of health experts, not those of us in elected office, say okay, you know, it's been two weeks now since we've had fewer cases. given the fact that people like scott gottleib and others have indicated that [ inaudible ] the right time period i think people will trust that. doesn't mean you reopen everything at once, by the way. it means you continue to have social distancing, you continue to wear masks, you continue

[ inaudible ]. neil: all right, senator, i apologize. we are having some audio troubles with you, senator. i do apologize for that. you made a number of valid points, not the least of which is the most pofbs obvious of al average individuals, how they feel. they are the ones who will decide no matter what the governors or the president or mayors say, if they feel comfortable leaving their homes or trying to get back to some sort of normal life, whatever that will be now. dr. roger kline joins us, a physician health policy expert and adviser of the heartland institute, much more. good to have you back. how do you feel on this subject, this going back, whether it's staggered or not, forget about who has the constitutional power to call those shots? what are some of the things you would look for? we chatted about this before, that you would look for to say all right, i have a flashing green light here, it's not solid, but it's flashing for some folks. what would it be? >> well, i think the instincts on this are right. we are getting a lot of data in

to better understand this virus, and the truth is, it's probably going to hang around with us for awhile but as it turns out, it's far less lethal than we had originally assumed. the center for evidence based medicine at oxford is giving it an infection fatality rate of .1 to .39% which is in the range of sort of a bad flu. and so the problem is we have very few people infected. we have a lot of asymptomatic or mild cases and infection that's readily transmissible at least in certain circumstances. so i think we are going to have to learn to live with it, we will have to learn to deal with it. as senator portman suggests, i believe there are ways to go ahead with our lives safely and practicing good hygiene, continuing to keep distance from people, sick people definitely need to stay home and we need to

devote a lot of energy toward protecting those who are most at risk from the virus. neil: so those most at risk, are those with any type of underlying medical condition, diabetes, heart condition, et cetera, would they be wise or will they be included in groups not to go back to work or not to resume their lives? how would you recommend they play that out? >> well, most of the patients, a majority of patients who are dying from this are elderly and sick. i think, i have an 87-year-old father. i'm working very hard to keep him away from other people. he's got heart disease, i think it's imperative that he continue to understand that there is circulating virus that can kill him. you know, a younger person who has high blood pressure, i'm less concerned about. this can hurt anybody. we have seen that some young,

healthy people even can die from it. it's not something that we can dismiss. it needs to be taken extremely seriously. but we also have projections, economic projections of depression era unemployment. i have never seen that and most people in the country have never seen that. but that's a horrible consequence, too. i think we are balancing, our leaders have to balance different projections and models from both epidemiologists. neil: doctor, i want to pick your brain a little bit on the use of hydroxychloroquine to address some coronavirus patients, some of whom are meeting with the president at the white house and had good luck with it. i don't know how many did. but at least a couple. i have heard from the mayo clinic and other doctors who say for a certain group of patients, those with any type of underlying heart problem, the side effects of this can be fatal or very very, at least very dangerous. what are your views on this, is

it something in the arsenal to tackle this? >> so we're not going to know for sure whether or not it works until we do an unbiased clinical trial, where we compare patients who get the drug with those who don't. otherwise, it's really hard to tell because there are so many factors that come into play and create what we call bias in trying to understand the results. we do have a good safety profile for this drug and the truth is for most people, they're not likely to be harmed by it. for non-physicians they don't often understand that any medicine in the wrong person can cause a problem, can be deadly. you can have an allergic reaction that can kill you almost any drug can harm somebody. but i think the safety profile is such that in the right patients, particularly people at high risk who are sick, when there's no other option, it may be worth trying in conversation

with a physician and understanding what the particular risks are. so to willy-nilly give it out is never a good idea, but i think it's a reasonable choice given that we don't have a lot of other -- we don't have any real options unless you can get on a trial for some of the other new drugs. neil: like what you're saying is obviously, we see these drug commercials that, you know, know the side effects, know the risks and people go into that eyes wide open, knowing full well what they are dealing with, right? >> yeah. i think that's important. if you are somebody, you don't have any symptoms, i think if you are young, i think harder about it than if you have pneumonia and you are at high risk and you are in bad shape, there seems to be less reason to question it. every patient's different, you

need to do a risk/benefit analysis for each person and that's a personal decision that needs to be made in conjunction with a physician. neil: understood. doctor, great catching up with you. much appreciate it. be well, be safe. as the doctor and i were speaking, by the way, new jersey's governor phil murphy is saying he can't think of reopening his state until resources from the federal government are more robust than they have been. he didn't specify which resources he's been pushing i know for more testing going on in the state but again, i don't know beyond that because the president and his people saying every governor has needed something, has gotten that and more than enough, but he's disagreeing with that. remember, he was among those governors in on that phone call with new york governor cuomo yesterday saying they are able to decide in concert what to do when this april 30th, may 1st deadline approaches, what this country does, goes back in drips and drabs in stages, different states, but so far the read from the new jersey governor is as

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neil: we had an impressive, enduring rally going on the

dow jones industrials, up close to 600 points. think of the level touching close to 24,000. a little more than a few weeks ago we were at lows around 18,000. we were halfway between the highs we were at and the lows we were at but it is a remarkable testament, not so much built on financial news. that has been kind of depressing but not surprisingly so. the fact that some earnings were coming out particularly from the financial sector. most were just awful that is it largely what we anticipated. connell mcshane on what is really going on here. what do you see? reporter: the nasdaq stands out, what we're traying at 8500 or thereabouts. the low on nasdaq on 23rd of march was 6860. definitely looks like we'll gain easily the 40 plus points needed today to get out of bear market territory to rise 20% from the low. the 40% gain on the nasdaq

stands more than anything else. your report on earnings, we see companies on individual basis. johnson & johnson i guess was the company earlier today and maybe others beat expectations with their earnings. at the same time will report, jpmorgan and others we know that the quarter, if you just, you know, look at it in how much money made compared to this time loose year will be disasterous. we see this separation this, difference, what we're all experiencing in the real world where there is so much economic pain to go along with the medical pain, people are losing their jobs, millions and millions of people already done so, we'll probably see that continue. that separation between that and what we're seeing in the financial markets had the ability, a, to price that in but also to have the backing of the congress, what the congress already done, what the congress might do down the line. if not more importantly what the federal reserve has done to define stability for the markets. this nasdaq really stands out

even with people suffering real time. we've seen that for the last couple weeks, but it is striking on days like this when we see a rally like this. neil: yeah. they're saying something. i don't know exactly what but optimistic, hope for reason of optimism. connell, thank you very much. we'll see you later in the afternoon. i want to go to judge andrew napolitano, the president outlined advisory board, whatever you want to call it, make a decision when and how to reopen the government, he says as president that is his call. everyone has to line up but first, judge, i wanted to get since you know the constitution inside and out what are the president as powers here on this one? can he order governors to do what he says? >> no he can pay them to do what he says but that would require an appropriation by congress. so there are areas of human behavior affected by this pandemic, health, safety, welfare, are reserved to the states under the tenth amendment. so it is the states, rightly or

wrongly, which have effectively shut down 50 different economies, governor in each state doing it. it is for the governors to open those things up but the president is not without power. the president of course controls the borders of the united states. the president controls the interstate borders. he can prevent me coming from new jersey to new york, not particularly me, prevent everybody coming from new jersey to new york if he felt it was prudent to close down, let's not go there, interstate borders. in terms of who has the authority to get things back to where they were, it us clear it is in the hands of the governments. however, when congress wants to regulate in areas that the constitution gives to the states, and it knows it can't, the purchases compliance f congress wants to lower speed limit as it did in the reagan administration, it offered the states of hundreds of million of dollars to repave federal highways provided they in return

lowered speed limits. all states but one agreed to do it. when south dakota took the government to the supreme court, the supreme court said congress can put any strings it wants. but the president can't do that alone. it would take an act of congress. neil: i wonder, whether this might be a case of the president showing more bluster than bite, that even in these remarks at the white house today with the covid-19 survivors, he wants to work closely with states, coordinate a response. if everyone is on the same page then not everyone will do things identally, that would look like as he has been throughout this whole thing getting their guidance, allowing them to decide whether it's time to shelter in place or not, even, timing it with how they want to go about forcing that. so in the end is this just a way of saying all right, we will do things as we've been doing them up to now in concert? >> i was kind of surprised at what the president said last

night because he had argued as recently as two weeks ago things in midtown manhattan are very different than they are in des moines, iowa, and the mayors and governors, the officials in those areas know better than washington could know whether and if so, how, and when and under what circumstances they should come back to formal. i think it was a bit of his bluster last night, the back and forth with the reporters who were aggressively questioned him caused him to make the statements which really find no quarter in the constitution. neil: yeah. it could be, i know he made the "mutiny on the bounty" reference, but i love that movie, judge. he is not captain bligh, neither are these guys. we can i think dial that back a little bit. judge, always a pleasure my friend, i know we had other things to discuss but i thought this was more pertinent in the time being. be safe, and well.

thank you very much. >> you as well, neil. neil: judge napolitano. quick final peak peek at corner of wall and broad. seventh day running for gold running up. that is a bit of a phenomenon. what the president will announce regarding this advisory group a little later. cheryl casone in for charles payne. cheryl: i'm share. casone. in for charles payne this is "making money." signs that people are ready to get back to work. we'll hear in moments from labor secretary eugene scalia. former house speaker newt gingrich will join us later on in the program. it is underway. people have a sneak pee