long term. >> whether we ultimately see the kind of general intelligence that produces the terminator is hard to know. are we headed for art imitating life, i maria, thanks for ♪ pete: welcome to "modern warriors," i am your host pete hegseth thank you for joining us, this is a night i've been looking forward to for a long time, sitting with me the best of the best of our country, 4 acomp bluaccomplished special os and operate on thes. -- patriot. >> two states you live in you are either at war or getty ready to about back. 23iar year army veteran. all over the world. >> he promotes awareness and healing to veterans.

and an organization of hero's journey. >> you are going out their every night, know you are face a threat. >> former army ranger, matt who joined army at 17 years old, deployed 5 times to iraq in afghanistan. and he deployed all in world, a cofounder of article 15 clothing. he works with warriors heart, aimed to help ptsd and addiction treatment. >> we're one country under that the greatest country. >> former member who killed osama bin laden rob o'neill, he deployed over a dozen times, one of the most highly deck rate -- decorated seal combat vets.

no matter, the situation i was in, past year, and the as -- frustrating and tragic as it was, it does not take away how i feel about being a veteran, and our military. and we will never back down. pete: navy seal chief eddie gallagher, has two bronze stars. to name a few. chief gallagher found not guilty after being charged with mistreating an isis terrorist during combat operation, his 19 years in service, and 8 tours resulted in dozens of terrorists, killed or cop -- captured. pete: we discuss the big issues, high stake raid, culture of our most elite military hop people

teams, and have thank you so much. >> thank you. pete: what a fantastic group, i really have been looking forward to this, it happens guys like you, special operators, these are all special operators here, navy seals, well represented. we have army rangers and green berets, guys like you have been a mara part of missions hike the that killed al-baghdadi, i would be remiss if we did not take the audience in the room as a plan for an operation like this. we start with you, what do you think and prepare? >> i wasn't there for this, but i was on one that went into pakistan be we thought that chae was dying were pretty high, i know they went in there, going

in fighting. it is one of those situations you have the plan, you know what could happen. but you instead of a handshake, you get a hug from your brothers, ready to launch. no one is panicking. to say you are not scared, you are lying. but what an opportunity to fly with your where brothers in this area, after the head of isis. i am getting goose bumps, you know just i can hear heavy metal music playing in team room, hugs and pats on the back, and let's go. pete: what is the team room like before? >> similar to what you do but stakes are a little bit higher, we always got super amped up about that, we practiced and did our job, that is why we signed up, rid the world of terrorists that want to kill my family.

the success of the mission is phenomenal, they are heroes we should be reverend of them. >> all rehearsals, it there there are days and days of work that go into that op before thy launch. >> two things that come to my mind, absolute humility of the operators, you know never ceases to amaze my in all years around these guys, how humble they really are, how committed they are to the work, second thing is the relationship they have to practice. the hours and hours, and hours that these guys and their brothers put into work to do this when the time comes. i don't think that people really understand the number of quality reps that goes into that moment. >> you have to think about the units out there nos those guys o after a terrorist they know will either try to kill them or kill

themselves, that is pure heroism right there, the american public should be thankful they are on our team. pete: what is it did training. >> i would look at guys senior to me that were dangerous, they didn't seem worried, they pro ty portrayed calm, i remember thinking i am be be -- i want to be like him, you practice that. the plan is not going to happen, everything is going to hell when you get there, just a cool factor too, how cool the guys are, you walk out and you hear the whine of the engines and you walk out and you think oh, chick digs us, man. >> is there a moment, is it in helicopter in in the team room before, when you realize you are touching down? is there a moment where the

switch flips. >> two minutes out the door opens. >> you get that one minute out call. pete: yo you know? >> yeah, it's go time. pete: what goes through your head, you think about the whole mission, i can'. >> i know when i go out the mission is all i'm thinking about, what i have to do to protect my brothers to the right and left of me, before the mission, you have to put iferg oueverything out of your head, y family all in the back of the mind, you cannot compromise your brother's life. >> like orientation on the ground, when building is my team hitting and how to we get there. everything changes, you get dropped off wrong spot go over it. >> what could go wrong, will go wrong.

>> including anything that get you killed, even nothing. pete: how do you plan for people that are rigged to blow themselves. >> you plan to get injured probably. that is part of the courageous part of what they do. you go out every night knowing you are facing a. imminent threat, you have to call audibles on target, and make game changing play. pete: you -- i want to go to sports analogy of a locker room but you leaving locker room you throw balls and strikes. >> the stakes are higher. pete: you accept them, you were talking about with suicide vest on target. >> we train how to deal with a guy with a suicide vest, in the end there are risks that are

taken. pete: the guys who pound their chest the most from the enemy, propaganda videos, with the barrel of a rifle of an american special operator are they cowardly or do they fight. >> leaders are really good at sending others to their death, because it does not affect them, they think if they can send them to martyr themselves, they get a piece of it but to their own lives, they are cowards, even mid level leaders. >> a lot of the work that our guys did in rural afghanistan, you know against hard-core taliban, they were good. they were good. they put up a hell of a fight, you know. and i have a lot -- >> there are elements that you come up, you have respect there are harden fighters. >> yes, in afghanistan mainly.

people in iran, they are good at killing people when their hand tied behind their backs. >> pete: much more to talk about because when we talk about a team, and the units you operate in, there has been criticism, on other side of the break we'll talk about it. we'll talk about something they know about, current culture within the most elite unit, what it is like to be a warriors when politics gets involved. >> if you are enjoying it check out extended version of this at fox nation right now, we'll be right back. you're clearly someone

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pete: welcome back, the current culture within the teams ofure special operator communities has been under fire. i want to ask this group, if it is warranted. in august, com commander of navl said that it has drifted from core values of honor, there have been accusations at seal

community saying you are not that disciplined any more, what do you say. >> that is wrong. there is no culture problem or ethics problem in the seal community, we're some of the most professional individuals fighting for this nation. i to think there are certain entities like "new york times" and cnn who report on any little negative thing they can find on the seal community, they put this out there and then people in the community, mistakes are made, it has been going on sinces beginning of the military, there is no cull rur e ethics problem. pete: it rolls down is that a cycel that happens? >> i believe so. then you know you have certain leader who come out that statement saying, we have a problem, then their only

solution is to do uniform and grooming standards. you are not really bringing any solutions. pete: hair cuts? >> the answer was like room inspections and hair cuts and uniforms, all that will do is lower moral and hurt recruiting. some were doing bad stuff, there is no excuse but instead of blasting it out to media, handle it internally, there is a way to did it, there are a couple bad eggs that make the community look bad, i don't know the culture of doing it. maybe people got complie compla. pete: they brought a seal team home early. >> then fired command master chief that i went through seal training with, almost 30-year mark, what does it do to him

personally? a couple of e-5s do something that affect his life. pete: putting his name out to public. >> he never wanted it out there. >> you see it across formation of special ops, we have similar issues in special forces, i caution, let's not forget we've been at war for 18 years, 3 timing longer than world war ii. and 99.9% is good. >> absolutely. >> and even for our congress to even -- you know opine there is a morality problem. that is laughable. to me that accusation would be leveled, i think we need to take a deeper look at operational tempo we're running the folks and take each case individually, but to put out there is a

morality problem is ludicrous. pete: they are saying that honor gone. >> it is ridiculous, if there is one bad apple in the bunch, that does not mean everyone is bad, these are men, women who raise their hand, a ridiculous statement. >> not some -- of these people treat it like a talking point, but someone's life is affected. pete: "new york times" said you had a representation of appear rat, more in-- pirate, more interested in fighting an adhering to the rules, would you take that almost as a a compliment. >> yes, but i do adhere to the rules, do i enjoy going overseas and fighting the nation's enemies, that is correct, if that is his version of a pirate i will take it. >> i met eddie today, i am

thankful a guy goes over and enjoys protecting his country, at highest level possible. >> if i can get called a pirate i'll go back right now. pete: you been in the middle of -- you had guys in our team at some level, turn on you. culture inside of the seals of the way they view the battle feel thabattlefield that is dif? >> no, it has been thrown out a lot with the whole millennial issue, i do ther believe they ae joining now, knowingful well they are going to battle, i joined in 99. really was not a wargoing on then. -- that was going on back then, these guys are joining when we're in a war. i think that says a lot about them. as far as you know, the small groups of individuals that

decide to concoct the story that you know -- when you live with individuals for two years, there are certain personalities that do not get along, that happens in every deployment. there are always personality issues, these guys took it too far, made up a story it try to ruin my representation. and when ncis got involved it went off the rails. pete: not like the tv show. >> not at all. >> part of the problem. >.>> what does that do to moral, you spend 19 years fighting, for your country, at a moment's notice, they can turn on you, you are in the brig. >> scariest thing is the effect it has on pull operators -- actual operators right now

serving overseas, they watch what happened to me, whole knee-jerk react, guilty until proven innocence, i don't want them second guessing themselves when they need to pull that trigger. >> a marine that is worried about stepping is a landmine, and you think, will i be in trouble if i shoot back, that is risking lives, for rules of engagement, for someone typing them up there should be someone firing at them while they type it, they will realize it is scary. >> people that are making policies and decisions are not in gun fire go gunfights every night, i have seen young rangers get killed because of that, we send young men to go knock down a door get shot it is insanely unfortunate, politics and war is a scary thing. pete: on other side of the break

we'll talk about the wars we're in right now, are we winning? are we losing? should we stay? should we go? president has faced criticism for pulling out of syria, but he makes that same statement, will we be ohr here forever. >> if you love this conversation and want more you can go to foxnation.com. there is more, of it unet ed und and uncut, with these guys, you know what you are missing, don't go anywhere.

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to prosper. pete: welcome back, than have i have thcriticize the president r pulling out of siar -- of syria, nobody better to talk about it then these guys, islamics declared war on us, we don't get to declare that war over, you look at syria iraq and our footprint, is the president right when he says maybe it someone else's fight. >> not saying right or wrong, but what is wrong to say this is the way we've always done it, we

have not won a war since world war ii. you have people here that make decisions mace based on whetheru get elected next cycle. it is so complex in syria. democracy has to come from ground up. and afghanistan sing since, aler the great. pete: do you think this is part of an overall learning curb, we try to do this big thing in far off place, you look around, you realize they are still doing what they did. >> they don't want our way of life over there, that is the bottom life, we went there, trying to americanize these people, we love our country, we love the way we get to live here, we think in our heads, they are going to think the same way, i do don't want it. >> we live in a