have not won a war since world war ii. you have people here that make decisions mace based on whetheru get elected next cycle. it is so complex in syria. democracy has to come from ground up. and afghanistan sing since, aler the great. pete: do you think this is part of an overall learning curb, we try to do this big thing in far off place, you look around, you realize they are still doing what they did. >> they don't want our way of life over there, that is the bottom life, we went there, trying to americanize these people, we love our country, we love the way we get to live here, we think in our heads, they are going to think the same way, i do don't want it. >> we live in a top down world,

we have a central government. for first 10 years in afghanistan that is what we tried to project. but afghanistan most places where terror groups set up shot, they are bottom up societies, tribal, clan culture is the epicenter. if we try to undo that and minimalize that. the taliban, al qaeda, they can drive right through that and exploit all day long. we have to understand these places where the bad guys set up shot we are to be there for a long time, and work with locals who live there to help fight them. pete: what is be there mean? on a base near by to execute the raids like in al-baghdadi,? living in the villages? training the forces? you look at your experience of our tours what works? >> we need to educate ourselves more. i say we need to be start about being stupid, we need to

realize, no matter your intentions if you are in a certain place for a language enough -- long enough time you are an invader. they will stop liking you. i walked down on a white carpet with mud on. there was mud on the carpet, i looked down, i said, no wonder they hate us. >> these guys that can do amazing surgical strike capabilities and advisers that is work at a local level. most people don't know that we have a present in colombia, but you look at way colombia turned in last couple of decade it has to do with long-term present of special ops, both direct action and advisory, my advice would be poll tiepoliticians know the eny

better, and narrative betters and exploit this amazing strike we did in baghdadi. pete: i bet if you asked most politicians between se shia and sunni they could not tell you. >> there is the problem. >> we are hand curving th handcs out there we said, commanders, what do you have to do? let's go, what happened to isis went a couple months. pete: that was top down president said -- we'll let you do your thing. >> we know where they were. , they were racing -- raising isis flags, and we could not call in airstrikes. and use them. >> i just happe happened to be n mosul when president trump took over office, the team we

relieved it took a half hour to call a strike in each time, they had to go through 5 different chains of command to drop one hell fire missile, as soon as trump took over it was a 180. they put all of the command in my oic, and attack teams on ground made the call, message sent to us, am a-- aac arkansas. >> anyone have a take on that. >> we left the kurds dry quite often. historically in america. for personal experience, i love lived in kurdistan for a while, they are amazing people, they are our national obligation to ensure their safety, they are my brothers. >> i think local communities, against this enemy, they conserve as a strong antibody

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pete: welcome back to "modern warriors," according to a new georgetown university poll, voters find political division so bad they believe that united states is two-thirds of the way to edge of a civil war. no question your country is divided. politics is everywhere today. you done sign up because -- you didn't sign up because of it, but it a reality anda affects your service, you look at impeachment, and resistance. and how people view the president.

do people feel we're on verge of a civil war. >> it is crazy, identity politics, we're casting judgment and just going after them for the sake of whatever entertainment. but mr. me, how do we have -- for me how do we have patriotism of september 12 without tragedy of september 11, we probably get along more than we think we do, mark twain said being a patriot is love your country all of the time, and your government, just because you don't agree with someone in the office, does not mean you cannot get along with i hav-- diversity of americans. we all cared about mission first. there is a beautiful take away in that, the american public needs to go back to that rather than, say you are a liberal, i will a conservative, we can't get along. pete: i dare someone to say it better than that.

>> really good, people get along, america is not at civil war, not the stuff you read on twitter, america is convey thatn california, picked up people and arizona, and texas to help people in florida in the hurricane that is america. pete: the kids that are raised told to be sign by identity group, the problem this country has, there is no problem, we have so much freedom, so many rights, we have it so good here. that people are trying to find stuff to complain about. >> i think a lot is leadership, that is why i'm excited to see number of veteran come out of service we have, they are great folks to lead us through this. that can see see through that identity politics, lead us to something bigger. >> we need more veterans in congress. they will get in same room and talk but to the point of nope don't like you.

>> you are a target and shooting, i don't like that, well do something. >> people need to chill out. love is free, and beer is cheap, chill out. pete: in the ai age of donald te is chilling out, what is it about him. >> i was in airport in new york yesterday, coming hir here, a wn stopped here and asked about the raid to killing about da -- baghdadi, and said that trump said it was better than -- she said do you hate him, do you hate him? i said now, i said why do you hate him, she said, he is mean. >> not going away. pete: they hit him or the millions of people who voted for him and the way they live or believe. >> i don't think they know what they hate. you look at statistic where america has come since he took

office he has been doing a hell of a job, when obama was in office, no, i didn't vote for him, i didn't agree with whatever his policies. but, i didn't go around complaining about him like this is not my president, i'm going to serve the next 4 or 8 years, under him. and you know do what i'm told, hopeful threl be there will be, no one was yelling like these people now. >> i think they are on civil war stuff is ridiculous, you -- if you have been to a country in civil war, you don't want that, dial it down. >> okay to think your own thoughts, internalize it develop your own opinion, don't listen to everyone at your own dinner table, and take whatever they think and create your own. >> amazing american as took down baghdadi, ho honor them, how abt talking about civility instead

of civil war. >> this is the land of opportunity it requires a little bit of hard work, i am a dumb dude i have become successful, i am a knuckle dragger with a little bit of military experience. >> did you that on 100% looks. >> high cheek bones. pete: that is great place to leave it, that is -- that would be good. next on "modern warriors." we talk about importants of giving bar back. and check out "fox nation" for the extended version of this conversation. we might play what we talk about at commercial breaks when is dicey, additional footage, possible funny out takes from these guys.

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pete: we're back as we honor our veterans today, we're also forced to look at the difficult transition we face when coming to civilian life, shock from battlefield to here at home. what is it about that process that so difficult. what do we need to do. >> i have veterans tell me they

have been to combat many times would rather go to combat than fill out a resume because combat makes sense. give them 6 months, you will have the best employee. >> i took that uniform off, everything about my identity was wrapped up in that, i left it in the team room it nearly killed me, i'll be honest, it really was not until i figured out that there was a lot stuff i did in that world that was relevant in this world. that connection to purpose, and that connection should the story as warriors is we have to keep that. military does not get to keep that, that is ours. pete: eddie your transition is on going, you plan to be a part of organizations that fight for others that being taken on. >> yes, i think that is just like they said, the purpose aspect of it, while you serve,

you do 5 or 20 years, you have a purpose in the military, it is a awesome one. you do a righteous job. and when you get out, you know the military does a great job of bringing you in, training you up to go, fight the enemy, kill the enemy. but they don't do such a great job of you know helping you when you detach. nor should they. we're now realizing that, we don't need to depend on the government to take care of us. we looked after eve other while we were -- each other while you are in, you love your brother you are in, you look after him, does not matter what branch or job you did. we're all the same, we need to you know take care of each other, make sure that you know, we're not getting lost out there. >> a big message, to look each other in the eyeball when we come home, the way that

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pete: welcome back to "modern warriors," scott, what did you the flag mean to you? >> i was raised that way. i very patriotic family. of a lot of service, we come from mountains of western north carolina. about as poor as you can get. but man, just proud bunch of people. and really proud americans. so you know for me the flag represents my family, my heritage. a culture of service, family, you know what is great about the country. every time i see it, it is not just my time in service but all

people who came before me, family and community. >> america. the flag, you know stands for unity, very unfortunate in this area the people see the plan as divisive, it is one nation under god, we come together a disverse culture. and really that flag is provided me an amazing opportunity to serve my country, i got paid to jump out of planes and helicopters, how cool was that. that is what flag stands for, and coming to business, and having the opportunity to succeed and chase my dreams, a lot of other countries, it impossible no matter how hard of a worker you are. i am thankful to be a part of it. >> know your history, you are doomed to repeat it, reminds me av george washington, betsy

ross, 13 colonies beating back the empire that will try on squash. them. and war of 1812, african-american soldiers fighting the civil war, to defeat slavery with the american flag, unity on september 12, 2001 it is all of us. we're the greatest country in the world under that flag. >> strength, that is what it means to me, this country has been 3 through a lot in the pa, we remain the greatest country in the world because of the people in the united states, that is what the flag represents. i know a lot of operators carry that flag in their plates or as they go on ops or to battle the flag stands for strength, we'll never back down. pete: well said, thank you so

much, such an opportunity to sit here, watch to you are as men, leaders and patriots, and thank you for watching "modern warriors" bret: it was one of the most powerful political ideas in history, a new faith for a skeptical age. they promised a world of harmony and abundance, if only property were shared by all and distributed equally. the idea was called socialism. it spread farther and faster than any religion in history. then in almost the blink of an i come it all collapsed. >> mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. [cheering and applause] bret: many proclaimed that socialism had failed so badly