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reopen america and put this great nation back to work. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> mr. president? [inaudible conversations] elizabeth: okay. okay. this is the -- i'm elizabeth macdonald, welcome to "the evening edit." the coronavirus task force just now wrapping up. okay, here's what's happening, we have more than 50,000 in the u.s. now dead, 26 million out of work. oil is rebounding. jpmorgan chase is telling small businesses, hey, apply with other banks because there's fears of fresh funds from the new program money that just came in will run out. let's bring in former cia station chief daniel of match. he is basically -- hoffman. he is basically former station

chief for afghanistan and pakistan. sir, first i want to jump to this: it's great to have you on. governor cuomo is now saying the world health organization was too little too late, that it's basically that the critics have been saying that the who is in the back pocket of china. this is still an underlying controversy. your reaction to that? >> well, i think for me at least as a retired cia officer, i've always felt we need to rely on our own collection, that means our forward-deployed intelligence community, in this case medical professionals and diplomats to track what's really going to on in china. make no mistake, the chinese are trying to conceal, have tried to conceal -- [audio difficulty] of the coronavirus, the pandemic from their own people as well as the rest of the world, and they've tried to make the who complicit in that process. we need to, of course, mistrust

but verify those international institutions and organizations with which we partner. there's still value for having them. china, right now, is trying to increase their influence in who, and i think it would be in our interests not to allow that to happen. elizabeth: yeah. china is now increasing its donations to the who. you know, but it's still a fraction worth of what u.s. taxpayers have have given it. so so this is the debate, this is the controversy, the focus should be on how china has been accused of being reckless, of not having the proper safety standards at its biolabs where it was researching vaccines for things like aids and hiv. the cofounder of the hiv virus has said this is an industrial accident in china's labs. they were studying the hiv vaccine. he's been criticized for this. here's what he is saying is going on inside china, that they have been woefully reckless in how they do their laboratory

work and basically people are are getting infected inside those laboratories and walking out and infecting the population. you saw that in 2004 with the sars virus. so do you feel like this is given enough vetting here in the united states, that the focus should be more on china instead of finger-pointing inside the country? >> well, i can tell you, again, from my own background having focused on hard a targets like china and iran and russia among others, look, the chinese system is a communist country. they try to really conceal the truth from their own citizens. they use state-run media not to inform anyone accurately, but rather, to disseminate propaganda in an effort to control their own population and whitewash their reputation overseas. so i absolutely think we need to be holding china accountable, for sure. they need to pay a price for that not only with their reputation worldwide, but also we need to take some concrete

measures like ending the supply chain that goes right back to china. we should be leading the way with our european and other partners to insure that there's a safe place to purchase essential goods. and, hopefully, that starts in the united states with. there's an opportunity for us to come out of this with an economy that could grow at the expense of china, and i think that would obviously be a good thing. for our national security and for -- elizabeth: okay, so there is the a backlash, a global backlash. it's not given enough media attention here in the united states. we track the overseas headlines. we're seeing a global backlash, a breakout against china. in europe they're saying the relationship now between the e.u. and china is, quote, toxic. certainly hearing that out of germany, out of france. you're hearing it not just in taiwan, you're hearing it in south korea, in singapore, in malaysia. you're hearing it in places in south america. now people are standing up and saying, china, you are to blame, we cannot -- the world cannot go

through another pandemic that comes out of your borders. so are you seeing that too? we're seeing social media lighting up around the world saying, china, you've got to stop, you've got to take accountability. >> yeah. we can say that all we want. i think what, you know, the bottom line though is we need to take some action to make china pay for it. and the way we make them pay for it is by conquering them, whether it's countering them in the south china sea or their death trap diplomacy where they're offering countries this opportunity of a belt and road initiative which is really just a china benefit and not at all for those countries who are involved. i think we need the talented team over at secretary pompeo's state department to reed the way diplomatically, to shine a bright spotlight on china's nefarious behavior and then lead the way with our partners in europe and asia to show that, look, china's not a reliable partner, and they're out to take care of themselves.

i've called this coronavirus and covid-19 xi jinping's chernobyl. it's very similar to what happened in the soviet union during that horrifically bad nuclear stent in 1986 where the soviets had no idea what happened, and the people were put at risk. i think the chinese people understand that. it's an opportunity for us to use voice of america and our other institutions to make sure that the chinese get the truth and understand how corrupt their government is and how little they care about human rights at home and abroad. elizabeth: yeah. china's basically triggered humanitarian crises and emerging market debt crises around the world. that's the next shoe to drop. we've been following that. you're going to see countries on the margins going deeply into bankruptcy and insolvency. daniel hoffman, former top cia official, thank you so much for joining us. come back soon. >> thanks, my pleasure. elizabeth: next up -- it was great to have you on. next we've got arkansas governor

asa hutchison on what the states are doing to reopen and the raging battles behind it. you won't believe what we're finding out on what's going on on both sides of this growing controversy. stay right there. don't go away. ♪ ♪

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at the white house. let's welcome arkansas governor asa hutchinson. great to have you on, sir. >> always good to be with you. elizabeth: governor, the president said 30 states now have plans or are moving toward plans to reopen. that's half of america is moving to reopen. big controversy though, you know, the other side of the aisle is saying don't do it, you're going to infect more people, have more cases. how do you feel about it? >> well, it shouldn't be a partisan divide on this. we both should be listening to our public health experts but also keeping an eye on the economy. and here in arkansas we're taking a very measured approach. we're not going to be opening everything up at once. we're going to be looking at restaurants as to when that should be open, but we're not going to make that decision even until the muddle of next week -- the middle of next week, and then we're going to sequentially look at other things that have

been closed for public health reasons. we're one of those states -- we didn't close our economy down to begin with. we didn't have a shelter in place order. we had a targeted approach that focused on stopping the virus and the spread of it through restricting our state parks, through bars and restaurant being closed, casinos being closed, other things, and we're going to very gradually look at what we can open up, keeping an eye on the data and the public health recommendations. we clearly have to open up, but we're keeping an eye on these statistics. we still have some outbreak areas in arkansas, so we want to see those numbers get with under control before we fully open up. elizabeth: here's what americans are seeing, we see minority leader in the house kevin mccarthy criticize the democrats for delaying on the next relief bill, $484 billion, saying, you know, you're costing

jobs, nancy pelosi, for not moving faster. kevin mccarthy criticized majority whip jim clyburn for saying the pandemic, quote, presents a perfect if opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision. we've got governors like governor whitmer of michigan basically saying i'm going to extend the shutdown because of protests and lack of social distancing. and also we have people like aoc, alexandria ocasio-cortez and other democrats saying let's use workers' jobs as leverage to get unrelated things in future legislation. you know, so americans from where they sit, 26 million are out of jobs, and they see all of this going on. from where you sit, how do you see the lay of the land with this controversy and this fighting that's going on? >> i see the governors continuing to try to lead with the unique circumstances of their state, and i think they're doing an effective job, all

doing it a little bit differently. it's interesting that when we started this pandemic, our country was so united as to what we needed to do. and the longer it goes, it does seem like there's a little bit more division which is very distressing. and certainly, you should not use a pandemic in order to accomplish broader political objectives. let's keep the focus of what the needs are for the public health crisis, for stopping the spread of this virus and also keep from getting our economy back going. that has to be balanced, and i think the governors are in the right position to do that. because every state is peaking at a different time, they have different circumstances, density in population, and that impacts your decision making process. so i'm grateful, and i'll just say that congress has focused on getting money to our businesses, our small business owners, our entrepreneurs, that is the right approach, and that's where the

federal resources should go. i'm not as excited about an immediate bailout of states. whenever you look at arkansas' economy, we're going to have to tighten our belt in our state budget, our revenues are going to go down, but we're going to have a balanced budget. and we just can't put an unending stream of federal money that is unlimited back to making sure that every state's budget challenges are met. i think we have to really go slow -- elizabeth: you know -- >> -- on that last part. elizabeth: yeah. you're now in this big, big fight between new york governor cuomo and the maryland governor, hogan, criticizing senator mitch mcconnell. he has said, listen, maybe states should file bankruptcy. he was talking about congress' use of $150 billion in direct help for states and localities, senator mcconnell doesn't want federal taxpayers fixing states'

own out of control spending and their pension problems. where to you stand on that? because we're hearing half a trillion dollars is what the national governors' association is now demanding to help out the states when the states didn't run their own shops in the right way. your reaction to that. >> i don't like that because that puts the burden on the next generation to pay the debts for today. and west virginia already put trillions -- we've already put trillions of dollars of federal money, our grandchildrens' money into9 economy. -- into the economy. and that was needed, that's giving business help. but we can't just bail out every state. and whenever you look at the fact that we might have to give some support to states down the road, but it is too early because you don't even know the true budget outcome in each state as to what the shortfalls are going to be, how well they can manage it. that's where you're going to hughes a opportunity of federal money -- lose a ton of federal money if you start pouring that money out to the states too

early. [inaudible conversations] i don't think bankruptcy's the right language to use. we want to help the states, but we've got to keep an eye on the tush and not burden the next generation with too much debt. elizabeth: governor hutchinson of arkansas, thank you so much for joining us. come back soon. >> t good to be with you. thank you. elizabeth: same here. have a good weekend. coming up, ohio congressman and doctor brad wes strip with more on the battles brewing among so many states fighting and the protests, this is about reopening. that fight next. ♪ ♪ technologies advisor. me too. me too. and if you're a small business, we're with you. standing by you every step of the way.

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♪ muck. elizabeth: let's welcome ohio congressman and dr. brad wenstrup. congressman, thanks for coming on the show. it's great to coe see you. >> yeah, my pleasure. good to be with you. elizabeth: before we get to the anti-lockdown protests, the president just rapidly wrapped up the white house coronavirus presser. you could see that he was visibly angry with reporters yesterday. he had misspoken about saying we should, you know, that doctors and the medical community should look at the use of disinfectants and, you know, injesting disinfectants and uv lights, he's saying it was taken out of

context. your reaction to that controversy. >> well, i think at the end of the day that the medical community is going to decide what's working and what's not working and it'll have to go through the fda. you know, i think the president has been trying to be upbeat on a lot of occasions and looking at possible solutions to slow this whole virus down. there certainly are things like dis infectantses and sunlight that seem to be slowing it down and not necessarily something that you would ingest. but i think most people understood that we're looking for ways all the time that can slow this process down and liberate the american people from the virus. elizabeth: congressman, let's talk about the protests that were happening outside the michigan governor's home. the michigan legislature, the state legislature did schedule a special session today for creating an oversight committee to review governor whitmer's coronavirus orders, basically

residents are in an uproar, they're draconian, talking about also possibly stripping her of some of her powers there. your reaction to that. >> well, you know, my military and congressional experience i've been around the world, it's hard to govern three people, but i wouldn't want it any other way. it's also hard to take freedoms away. we're government of the people, by the people, for the people. when you do things in your position of power that restrict people's rights especially, you have to make them understand why you're trying to do something for their own good, and you should have some bedside manner with that. i don't think we've seen that. the question comes to what are her powers. i've served on the board of health in cincinnati, and we shut down restaurants, but there were very good scientific reasons for what we were doing, and people understood that,, and we had that authority. we see in some states where governor say i'm going to do this and shut this down, and there's been pushback, and then

they say, well, you know what? i may not have that right, but my health director does. and so i i think we're going to have these debates. and, you know, the american people, you know, they want to have, they want to have a reason as to why they're being asked to do certain things. you need to make sense of why you put out an order. you have to be a little parental about it, not dictatorial. and the american people just don't tolerate taking an order was someone says so -- because someone says so. it needs to make sense and be for their own good, and in a lot of cases people aren't seeing it -- elizabeth: yeah. right. >> you can't -- [inaudible] it makes no sense. elizabeth: governor whitmer canceled michigan's health department contract, she had orchestrated a contract to do contact tracing, but it's been criticized as a far-left activist political group linked to a former occupy wall street

leader, one of the state's top democrat political operatives. collecting signatures in support of left-wing ballot initiatives, now she was trying to get that company to be paid to collect information on state citizens health. so, you know, governor whitmer is now blasting protesters saying we're going to have a longer quarantine because -- [inaudible] from your protests, state residents, is you're forcing us to stay in this posture longer and lock down longer because you're not doing social distancing, possibly creating more infections. your reaction to her actions here. >> well, i think that's probably a challenge, when it comes to getting outside group like that to run the show, you know, the people that serve in these jobs should be there regardless of who is in charge politically.

and with your board of health, etc. that a makes a lot of sense x that's how it should be, and that's the way it's supposed to be. when you start engaging in these entities that have political ties, this is not something to politicize. this is about all americans, this is about all of your citizens and taking care of them. now, in michigan challenging the people, i just don't think that's a good idea. it's like, well, you'll stay longer after school if you don't like what i'm doing. i think there needs to be a conversation and real leaders will sit down with the people involved and have a conversation and talk about why -- elizabeth: yeah, because you mow know what's happening? because you know what's happening? businesses are shut down. a lot of them may fail, and now they're saying things like the use of drones, they're being called pandemic drones that can monitor people's temperature, whether they're coughing, whether they're sneezing. you're seeing that happen in connecticut, also in california. they're seeing places like judges in houston saying we're

going to throw you in jail or fine you if you don't wear a face mask. you're seeing in california basically the city there, the town there is saying, hey, county, stop shutting down our beaches and parks. you see these fights breaking out across the country. your final word on that. >> well, you know, i think people will accept the idea just like things changed after 9/11, and at least for the time being right now they, well, you go to work and we're going to check your. and do some vetting at the door, and if we can get the blood test on you, that's great. i think the american people would accept that because it makes sense to them. but at the same time, what's not being recognized is how much damage is being done the people and their families in their economic situation, and it leads to a lot of other up intended consequences that are not being addressed enough. and it doesn't help when you have the speaker of the house talking about, speaker of the house talking about all the ice cream that you had. when i drive around and i see people living in very small homes with a lot of kids and they're struggling, and we've got to do a better job with some

of our national leaders, that's for sure. elizabeth: yeah. the attorney general saying he may join lawsuits against these draconian orders, the first, the fourth, the fifth amendment at stake. congressman, great to see you. thanks for joining us. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. and i hope he does. thank you. elizabeth: okay. come back soon. next up, here is the biggest story on the covid-19 outbreak. it's about antibodies. it's about who has immunity. it's about one in five in new york city may have it, studies show, based on blood samples of about 3,000 people. this could be an even broader story about herd immunity not just in new york, but in other states. we're going to bring on dr. jeanette flesh watt to get to the bottom of it. this is the hottest storyover the covid -- story of the covid-19 outbreak right now. stay with us, we're on it. ♪

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our favorite guests, fox news medical contributor dr. janette nesheiwat. great to see you, doctor. >> great to see you too, liz. elizabeth: doctor, this is the hotst story for this outbreak, it's about antibodies and immunity, a really stunning finding. governor cuomo said one in five in new york city may have already had covid-19 based on blood samples from about 3,000. maybe one in six, one in seven statewide. here's the story, the back story. we've been reporting that the outbreak of the coronavirus happened earlier, happened earlier in china. the new york city health commissioner now says what we've found with 3,000, that's just the tip of the iceberg. this is about antibodies, who's got immunity, who can get back to work, it's about blood plasma treatment. this is a big story, doctor, your reaction to it. >> yeah, this confirms the transmissibility of this virus is high and, yes, i agree back in december, january it probably

was in this country. we didn't have the ban on travel from china to the united states up until the first month, the end of the first month in this country. but very important because this can help us gauge where we are in the community. what is the penchant of this virus, what is the prevalence are, where is it spreading, who is it affecting. we need to know this information is so we can allocate resources to prevent spread of this infection and to help prevent, you know, deaths, increased numbers of hospitalizations and icu admissions, that sort of thing. is so knowing this information can help us allocate those resources especially in nursing homes where we're seeing a lot of deaths -- elizabeth: yeah, and also, and also -- >> [inaudible] elizabeth: right. understood. and also who's immune to it. listen, here's the story, china was going through its lunar new york holiday. 40 million people left china and traveled around the world. that started in november, moving through december. now we're seeing reports that the outbreak could have happened earlier, let me give you the

cities, in boston, in seattle, in san francisco, in chicago. in other words, the outbreak happened sooner than realized, maybe there's more people with more immunity to it. you've seen that in santa clara county, los angeles county, they're seeing widespread antibodies with hundreds of thousands of people this those areas. economist magazine already ran a study, 28 million people, even more possibly already had it. your reaction to those findings. >> yeah, i agree. i'm not really surprised by those numbers because initially i was only able to swab and it's maybe about a 5% of my patients when i knew 95% of them had coronavirus. yes, we definitely had millions more likely infected, but i don't think we're anywhere near herd immunity, we need around 90% projected for this particular virus to have herd immunity. the way to have herd immunity is if someone was vaccinated or if they were infected and recovered, are they immune -- elizabeth: yeah, we don't have

the tests. i hear you doctor, we don't know that yet. let me get in, we don't know that yet because we don't have the testing capability yet. if you can do a swab test -- rutgers in new jersey is developing a swab test, maybe we can find out that maybe we already do have herd immunity. you're absolutely right, we don't know it yet. i want to show the viewer what is going on worldwide. nearly a thousand, now a thousand drugs and therapeutics anding vaccines, there's pushback on the malaria truck, hydrochloroquine, from the fda. we've got a number of states stockpiling those drugs. your take on how these drugs do not work if you have pre-existing conditions. same with rem remdesivir, but me they are effective for people who are healthy and come down with covid-19. your reaction? >> so the studies aren't complete. we are unable to fully test

those patients with to obesity and diabetes and kidney failure because of the fear to put them over the edge and because of the fear of those medications killing them. but we need more data, we need more research. what we have so far, for example, there's a study out of the v.a. that showed some patients put on hydroxychloroquine did worse than those who weren't, for example, remdesivir, there wasn't a significant change in the outcome of the patients, but they said that's because they didn't have enough participants in the study. but when you have underlying disease -- obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, kidney disease -- you are at a higher risk of complications and death because your body's already working hard to just sustain itself. then you have the deadly pathogen coming in, and you're trying to now tackle two birds with one stone, fight that diabetes, fight the high blood pressure and heart disease on top of a disease. but the good news is, liz, i really, truly think we are moving in the right direction with massive ramping up of antibody testing and also phase

aal and saliva swabs. i just learned today, they're going to produce 100,000 tests a day, that's massive. elizabeth: wow. >> with this testing we'll hopefully be able to prevent our high risk population from developing these, this virus, viral infection in the first place because we're going to be able to test for it. elizabeth: yep, okay a. that's really good news. doctor, come back soon. always great to have you on. >> thank you. elizabeth: next up. she is fired up and she's ready to go. conservative commentator kristin tate, also great author on joe biden now claiming the president's going to try to delay the november election without any proof or evidence to say that. kristin tate, fired up ready to go. stay with us. ♪ ♪

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elizabeth: okay. let's get your take on joe biden now saying the president is going to try to they the november elections -- delay the november elections, basically biden is saying that's the only way trump thinks he can possibly win. the democrats are really pushing to do mail-in voting using that as an excuse that trump wants to delay the election. your reaction? >> well, trump doesn't have the authority to they the election, and he's -- to delay the election, and he's never said he wants to do that. i think joe biden is just kind of losing touch with reality, becoming desperate. i mean, he can't even get through a cnn interview without stumbling. it's kind of sad to watch. with regard to mail-in voting, doing this on a large scale could end danger the integrity and the security of our elections especially if we're just automatically mailing out voter registration to everybody without a signed, authenticated request from each voter. voter rolls are notorious for being inaccurate, especially

when it comes to deceased people and people who are no longer eligible to vote. look at what happened in north carolina in 2018ing. the ninth congressional district race was overturned because of vote harvesting, so this is a recipe for disaster. elizabeth: yeah. okay, we've got now -- let's move on to this, i'm looking at it, 75 countries around the world have restricted their borders or shut their borders. joe biden is attacking the president for moving to restrict the border again. but watch joe biden agreeing with what the president is now doing, joe biden agreed with that 13 years ago. the president trying to protect the 26 million plus who are out of a job saying he wants americans to get a job. watch joe biden agreeing with the president about 13 years ago. watch. >> americans will do any job if you pay them properly. that doesn't mean we don't need guest workers, we do. that doesn't mean we don't need -- but we should base, base the number of guest workers that are in the statute that we're

trying to pass and we tried to pass before comprehensive immigration reform based upon need, not an an absolute number. and we should require employers to offer those jobs to citizens to see if they want those jobs. we need what, in fact, exists as a need, not as an artificial number to allow employers to drive down wages. elizabeth: okay. democrats like joe biden are saying now that they don't agree with what the president is doing even though they agreed with him in the past, and they sounded like president trump. your take? >> they just want to resist everything donald trump does. i mean, the united states is a built -- is a country built on immigration. we're at a dark i'm in our country right now. 27 million americans have filed for unemployment in the last year at a time when americans cannot find a job, we probably should not be importing large numbers of low skilled workers into the country to be competing with those americans for the few jobs that are available.

and, you know, liz, democrats keep saying that trump is trying to use this crisis to push husband agenda. well, the democrats are doing that. people like aoc saying we should seize this opportunity to push a green new deal. you have "the new york times" editorial board saying we should use the covid pandemic as an opportunity to release all illegal immigrants in federal custody. it's really sad to see politicians, frankly on both sides of the aisle, using a tragedy to peddle politics. elizabeth: you know, i want your reaction to this because here's the other narrative coming out, democrats like joe biden claiming the trump administration was slow to act, didn't do anything in february. the president was downplaying it in february. the cdc was slow to act, but the cdc reached out, basically, to the united states and the american people and started warning about it starting on january 6th. and then throughout january, then the travel ban on china from trump which nancy pelosi tried to stop with the no travel the ban with act. we didn't see the democrats in

their democrat debates bringing up coronavirus at all. we didn't see a hair on fire moment in congress in january and february saying the pandemic is coming, we've got to stop it. so, you know, your reaction to now this is a new attack line against the president saying, you know what? you were too slow, you didn't act quick enough. your take. >> i mean, it's obvious what's going on here. russian collusion didn't work to get rid of trump, the ukrainian scandal didn't work to get rid of trump, so this is their plan c, trying to use the coronavirus response to get rid of trump. was the trump administration's response perfect? if of course it hasn't been perfect, but they were, you know, early to react in many ways. the ban on travel to and from china is one example of that. and joe biden was saying as late as i think a month ago or a month and a half ago that banning flights to and from china was xenophobic. if the press is upset with how trump has handled this, they should be very upset with how

joe biden has responded to the handling of this crisis. but no one -- elizabeth: yeah, go ahead. >> -- [inaudible] to get out of this pandemic instead of playing politics like we're seeing from the press. elizabeth: if they had the foresight they claim they have now, how come we didn't hear them talk about it in january, february, march? i think the american people see this is just trying to score political points at a very inopportune time, and to your point, a tragic time. it's like trying to fix a freight train that's going 100 mile down the tracks. he's now doing it on the fly he inherited a really bad system. we hear the criticism that -- [inaudible] to step up, but nancy pelosi's been around since the reagan era. chuck schumer's been around since the reagan era, joe biden's been around since the nixon era. we had hiv/aids and infectious disease experts warning

congress, testifying saying a pandemic is come, you've got to step it up. then we had the states backing off their own pandemic plans, schwarzenegger in california saying i had one in 2005-2006, sacramento set it aside, governor scwer arely brown -- jerry brown set it aside. mayor bloomberg had a plan, de blasio set it aside. you see the finger-pointing? when they didn't do it, there's plenty of finger-pointing, they ought to be careful because their reaction and the obama administration with ebola and h1n1, not so cinematically perfect, not so state of the art that. 's the issue the american people are seeing now. all this after the fact posturing ain't playing. >> exactly right. the left couldn't stand it, they have a seething hatred for donald trump. they see this as their opportunity to take him down,

but i hope trump can rise above this and as a nation we can learn theless congresses from this -- lessons from this pandemic because a lot of states, localities and, frankly, the federal government weren't ready for this and should have been better prepared. elizabeth ble okay. kristin tate, come back soon. >> always a pleasure. elizabeth: next up, more on democrats as they advance the narrative that this is only the president's fault, the way this outbreak is being handled, and not the fault of china. former deputy national security adviser to vice president dick cheney steven yates with us, stay there. ♪ i have always wanted to be a teacher. i've been teaching for over 20 years. with everything going on, we've had to alter our classroom settings. we have to transition into virtual learning. on the network, we can have teachers

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♪ ♪ elizabeth: welcome back. let's bring in our next guest, former deputy national security adviser to vice president dick cheney, he's steven yates. great to see you again, thanks for coming on. >> thank you, liz, my pleasure. elizabeth: okay, the media is dropping this narrative that this is what's happening now, we're watching it unfold in europe and asia, we're seeing it in south america and in places like brazil. we're seeing it in malaysia, singapore. they're saying, china, this is your fault. but democrats here and the media saying this is the president's fault. nancy pelosi says the outbreak

of covid-19 is the president's fault, so does senator chris murphy of connecticut. also there are attacks on those who focus on the responsibility of china here. they're being attacked as mere, you know, trump supporters peddling conspiracy theories. your take on all of that. >> well, frankly, it's deplorable. they're parroting communist party propaganda talking points. it's something that they've said for years and years they would be opposed to. but there's really no political or ideological question at stake what the origin and problem of this virus are. we know it came out of wuhan, china, and that the government of china did two very malicious things that hurt many people around the world, not just in the united states. first, they hid the reality of the virus to allow it to incubate far too long and delayed any opportunity to prepare on the outside world. and then they shut down domestic travel but allowed international travel for a time that deliberately, in my view, put the outbreak out into the world while they tried to protect

their own. and so there really isn't an ideological question here. it's a global problem, not an america problem, and i think, thankfully, most of america's wise to this. elizabeth: yeah. and also china tried to get the patent on remdesivir from gilead sciences in january. all right, let's watch this. new york times reporting china's state-backed media, china's state-backed reporters and newspapers and tv making fun of, ridiculing countries like italy, spain, the u.k. and the u.s. for how it's handling their own home grown outbreak out of china. china's media's calling it, using words like apocalypse, purgatory, it's showing hospital workers wearing garbage bags and when china is censoring reports in its own country showing the same pandemonium. that's the issue that's going on right now. china's on the warpath. it has a disinformation campaign against the u.s. and other parts

of the world along with russia and iran, and i think that the media is not aware of that and not reporting on it as much as they should. >> i absolutely agree. i mean, china's government is involved in a full-throttled political warfare campaign. there could have been some sympathy with the outbreak of a virus. there could have been cooperation and support. instead, they chose to go to war by corrupting and then using the world health organization as a tool of manipulation for propaganda. and they could have sympathy for what they're struggling with as a country, but they've gone on to attack other countries who have been their victim. there have been outbreakses of terrible racism in parts of china against african migrants that have started to hurt some of what china has gaped by their one belt, one road investment in other countries. so i don't shed a tear -- elizabeth: i want to get to this -- >> tragic. elizabeth: all right. i want to get to this. yahoo! news reporting a couple weeks ago that government

officials at detroit's airport stopped a chinese biologist carrying his lug vials containing mers and sars, labeled, quote, antibodies. that's only the tip of the iceberg of what we know, doing things like that. so there's a pushback to maybe use like what happened with 9/11, sue china -- that's what lawsuits came against saudi arabia in 2003. i know china has immunity, maybe rejigger that legislation to allow that. your final word, quick word, steve. >> i think people should pursue what they can through the courts recognizing the limits, but for sure it is a 9/11 moment. we need to treat screening of things that come to and from sense ty parts of china -- sensitive parts of china the way we did the radicals post-9/11. there's lessons to be learned, we need to be more vigilant. elizabeth: steven yates, thank you so much for joins us, we

really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. elizabeth: thanks for watching. join us on monday night. we're going to stay on this developing story. we hope to bring you optimism, hope, good news about treatments and more. have a good weekend. thanks for joining us. lou: good evening, everyone. protests flaring up across the country today as some states begin to partially reopen during the wuhan virus pandemic. the number of demonstrations against stay-at-home lockdowns is rising. hundreds of demonstrators descended on the wisconsin state capitol in madison after the governor there extended restrictions until the end of next month. in michigan the republican-led state legislate eture taking up the possibility of launching a committee to review democrat governor gretchen whitmer's response to the wuhan virus and possibly