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best guys when it comes to advising people on what to do with their 401(k)s. [closing bell rings] thank you so much for joining me. what a comeback for the markets. we were all red. now we're all green. join me 6:00 p.m. eastern tonight on twitter @lizclaman. that is when futures trading begins. i will let you know how it goes. connell: shaking off earlier losses stocks staging quite a comeback later in the trading session as tensions rise between the u.s. and china. we'll talk about it all. i'm connell mcshane. cheryl: i'm melissa francis. this is "after the bell." blake burman from the whitehouse, edward lawrence from the newsroom. and let's kick it off with lauren. lauren: finishing the green. dow had been down 362 points t
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clawed back, closed up 26. s&p 500 up 12. nasdaq gaining one .25% on the day or 105 points. let's go back to the dow. industrials, boeing, raytheon. some worst performers and the ramped up trade tensions with china. the white house blames beijing on the coronavirus. legendary investor warren buffett dumping his entire stake. barclays downgrading american and delta on debt concerns. look, raymond james came out and thinks demand may have bottomed. is this a bottom for the airline stocks today? big tech also saw a comeback after the losses last week. apple is updating math book pro. how about m&a? merger monday. intel buying transportation technology company move it, all green on this board today. energy was also a winning sector. oil back with a 20-dollar handle. it is up four days in a row right now.
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exxon, valero, others rallying big-time today. production cuts, opec plus, plus some other cuts here in the u.s. with those shelled off wells taking 13 to 15 million perils per day off the market that is helping the oil. phillips up 11% to exxonmobil. back to you guys. melissa: lauren, thank you. let's go over to blake burman in washington for the latest developments from the white house. blake? reporter: melissa, we heard from president trump in the fox news town hall last night what he wants to see in the next relief package that could potentially come down the line saying his red line is a payroll tax holiday own the employee side. within the past hour here we heard from democrats as to what they would want to see in this next package as well. chuck schumer just took to the senate floor as senators were called back into town and he laid out the following, more money for hospitals, hazard pay for essential workers, relief
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for those making home payments and more funding for states. now senator mitch mcconnell has said whatever might come next must include liability protections for companies. so you're getting a sense now what everybody here at least the main players here in washington want to see. however schumer described those liability protections as he sees it as unnecessary, unnecessarily protecting corporate america. listen. >> the republican leader said his red line in a future relief package is not a national testing program, it is not more help for small businesses, or housing assistance for families, it is not rescuing our health care system. leader mcconnell won't support new legislation to fight this evil disease unless it gives big corporations legal immunity. reporter: so that is the take from democrats today. schumer called for fed chair jay powell, the treasury secretary steve mnuchin and the top two doctors on the coronavirus task
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force, dr. deborah birx and dr. anthony fauci to go on capitol hill to testify. there remain as question whether the white house allows that. speaking of the white house we're receiving pushback from them with a new report out from the cdc, that roughly 3,000 people could die starting june 1st a white house spokesperson says the following in the statement about that cdc model, quote. this is not a white house document nor has it been presented to the coronavirus task force or gone through inneragency vetting this data is not reflective of any modeling done by the task force or data that the task force has analyzed. melissa, connell, back to you. melissa: blake, thank you for that. connell? connell: melissa staying in washington now. edward lawrence is next up with the latest on the paycheck protection program. edward? reporter: connell the small business administration is processing through $35 billion a day with the second round of
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funding for the payroll protection program. if you do a little math the program could be out of money this week possibly, on wednesday. looking deeper into this, it is going faster than the first round of money f you look a little deeper into the number, the overall average size of the loan is $79,000. there have been 2.2 million loans written. 2.2 million small businesses helped. the total process through the small business administration now, $176 billion. the administration saying the program helped 30 million people stay in their jobs with the first round of money and believes it will help another 30 million people with the second round. treasury secretary steve mnuchin says he is not looking to re-up the funding for the payroll protection program but senator john barrasso today now says the program has been so successful it may need additional money in another stimulus package. 71% of the loans are for $50,000
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and under. 50% of the loans reaching small businesses. all this has a cost. senior treasury official says about a day, or an hour ago, $2.99 trillion is how much the u.s. will borrow in the second quarter alone. more than the entire borrowing of all of last year and that's because of the coronavirus stimulus money being spent, also reduced revenues coming in for the federal government. the last second quarter record that this one shattered was back 10 years ago for $344 billion is what the u.s. government borrowed in that period. back to you. connell: that really is amazing. edward, thank you. melissa. melissa: let's bring in dan henninger from "the wall street journal." he is also a fox news contributor. so, dan, as we talked about that's enhanced unemployment compensation walking around this weekend i talked to four different business owners who wanted to reopen a starbucks,
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dunkin' donuts, hair hall son and restaurant, but could not get employees to come back because the employees were making more money on unemployment than working at the restaurant. at the same time the owners said one had taken the ppp money, was sad about it, now it was was a loan they had to pay back because they couldn't get employees would not come back. we qualified but we're not going to take it. this is like musical chairs, depending on your state at one point the unemployment ends. it could be july in some places but depending what your state is, at that point the music ends there will not be enough jobs for all the people who are on unemployment because things will have disappeared. so when do people make that calculation boy, i better grab a job while i can before the music stops? because even though i take a short-term hit, when it is over there may not be a job for me if
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i don't? when do you think people make the calculation? >> well they probably should be making it pretty darn soon. as you describe it, melissa, it is really, it is not grimsley amusing. it is just grim to see the disincentives that the federal government has built in to the process that is affecting both small business people, employers like the ones you were mentioning, franchisee who owns a starbucks or dunkin' donuts or indeed the people who used to work for those little shops before the government ordered them to shut down. the payment protection program, as edward lawrence says, $79,000. 75% of it has to go to rehiring workers back. unfortunately the cash flow in these places is zero at the moment. so they don't need 75% of their workers to come back. many are telling them, quote, unquote, come back but stay home. meanwhile, one of the cares act
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with the 600-dollar unemployment insurance bonus, averages out to about $1000 around the country. it is indeed helping people but that too has created a disincentive for people not to go back. so here we are in the midst of an opening, melissa. we have disincent tiffs on business owners and for people to get back to work. melissa: dan, how do things like this happen because in advance of it you might have the time to do the math, say, wow, there are people on the margin who won't come back, because they will make that calculation but then to see it play out in real time, hear this same story from people who are prying the wood off the front of their starbucks trying to reopen, saying i can't get my people to come back? or even the hair salon who has somebody works there for a long time, they're saying she is not willing to come back right now, she is saying, look how much money i have been making?
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these people had relationships with their employer for a while. to see it play out on such a grand scale, how could they not anticipate this would be a problem? how do you fix it? >> well, it was emergency legislation. pretty much false under the heading of the famous saying we're the government, and we're here to help. they put in the 600-dollar bonus because they couldn't calculate it on a state by state basis fast enough. i think the answer you're asking earlier, melissa, is that look, the reopenings began this monday or starting this week and it is going to be like a rising ocean tide pulling people back into their shops, reopening them, looking for workers. i think that reality is going to settle in on people. many of whom worked every day of their lives for all of their lives, last 20, 30, 40 years. the question is, are they going back to take that job that a grateful employer wants to give them or sit home, accept the slightly additional bonus from
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the unemployment insurance? my guess, melissa, that human nature will pull people back into the jobs gradually across the united states, and a very small number of people will sit home just bagging the unemployment insurance. melissa: no, i think you're right. probably this was the first weekend where it looks like things might reopen, so people were like, no, no, i don't want to come back. as you see more things on your block, see more people out and about, number one, want to go to work, and think, maybe that job won't be there when i finally go back to it. dan, always interesting to see how economics play out in real life. thank you. connell. connell: companies working together to develop contract tracing technology which is supposed to help slow down the spread of coronavirus and today it was revealed what that new system will look like. susan li joins us with some of
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the details. susan: very exciting. technology of tracing covid-19 a step closer as you mentioned. apple and google teaming up to with their operating systems and their software to power these apps which might trace individuals who have covid-19 and those they come in contact with and bring up the graphs what they look like. they will be written by governments and apple and google will provide the technology and the code. user interface is comprehensive system. kind of like a app you use for a lot of things. you have to enable it to give it access to your location. bluetooth is key. that is how the phones communicate with each other. exposure alerts and information inputs and of course masking. privacy is probably the biggest question here. we have pass codes that need to be entered. masks, individuals who up load their status on to these apps,
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they will not be able to be tracked and traced at least individually, names at least. pass codes need to be verified as well. speaking to tim cook last week during the earnings and also asking about this pairing up with google in this covid tracing software, i asked them why they were doing this? if we could bring up the tim cook quote, look it is another tool in the tool kit, getting economy back up and running and back off. it could be bigger and work with google. you would have both operating systems. volume would be much higher. yes absolutely true. if you think about it, iphones, ios around android power close to 3/4 of phones currently in use on the planet. looks like we're a step closer to getting some of this app technology and ios software technology in use. i should point out, they say after covid is contained whether through a vaccine, whether we see numbers go down, they will remove access on both operating systems. guys?
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connell: right. that is something people would obviously be worried about. we'll talk more about this. thank you, susan. melissa. melissa: more than 3.5 million cases worldwide and with 1.2 million related here in the u.s. the world health organization says more than 100 vaccines are being developed across the globe right now as we speak and at least eight are in the early phases of human trials. u.s. head officials warn it could take longer than expected. we'll have the latest on the pandemic this hour. plus, restarting the u.s. economy, at least 15 states easing some restrictions today, including florida, lucky them. kicking off what it calls a smart, safe, step by step plan to reopen businesses. we're live from key largo on where things stand. ♪. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from anyone else.
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♪. melissa: slowly but surely florida is one of several states to begin phase one of reopening today. let's go to fox news's phil keating who is live in key largo, florida. phil? reporter: good afternoon, melissa. getting back open is a slow and steady process for the sunshine state. as of this morning phase one of reopening kicked in. that means a lot of things including most restaurants in
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the state like this one are allowed to have inside, in table dining once again. here at harriet's in key largo it only has been take-out for six weeks. today customers once again ate breakfast and lunch sitting at tables. james carlisle could not wait. >> you get kind of tired of take-out food every day. they have the best breakfast in town. it is a no-brainer coming here. reporter: most state parks also back open today, also most beaches. here is a live look at clearwater beach west of tampa. social distancing still being enforced. florida's phase one means restaurants and retail can resume in-person business but 25% of capacity. elective surgeries can resume. social distancing restrictions remain in effect and masks continue to be encouraged. still closed are schools, bars, gyms, spas and salons. no visitors at nursing homes
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other facilities. state has half of covid-19 cases in deaths for miami-dade, broward, palm beach counties, everything there, the shutdown stays the same. after weeks of lockdown, floridians over the weekend vibrantly showed they're tired of being at home, want to get back out and get things open as crowds at marinas and parks quite large. a lot of people getting turned away. melissa. >> thank you for that. phil keating, connell? connell: we have reaction to phil's report from the lieutenant governor of the state of florida, jenette nunes. to follow up what phil was saying there, gradual, day one of phase one but your observations how the reopening is going so far in your state? >> certainly. we're really excited we were able to unveil the governor's plan, safe, smart, step by step
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plan, would allow for florida's economy to open back up. as you mentioned many businesses have been shuttered. so right now restaurants are able to open at limited capacity. we've seen retail at limited capacity. floridians are ready, we're doing it in a way to be attuned to the data that we're seeing, making sure the phased approach is in alignment with the public health data we received. that is the focus of the governors, to be data driven. also to be mindful how we unveil these openings. want to make sure we build upon it, not take steps backwards. connell: a lot of people watching your state quite close live. as you know about a month ago your administration led by governor desantis was criticized fairly widely. they didn't shut down soon enough in florida. prediction made by some cases would really spike and florida would essentially turn into new york. so far that hasn't happened.
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have you learned anything in terms of what the key was not having a worst-case scenario play out in florida? was it weather, density, something the government did, have you learned anything. >> absolutely. what i would say governor desantis took really important steps such as being one of the first governors to limit visitation to nursing homes. that has been critical in terms of our strategy. also his approach which was criticized, i think was it is okay to be biased if you're reporting. it is not okay to be wrong and models were a disaster. headlines that had us as the next new york or uber italy, they predicted over 456,000 hospitalizations. if you can imagine what florida would look like under those circumstances but governor desantis was steady. he did not react to those salacious headlines. what he did, he consulted with the experts, he worked with our department of health and he made sure that the measures we were taking were taken, that were taken were measures that were going to be appropriate and
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really going to save lives. connell: now all of that said you are, as the screen shows, you're not reopening by kind of snapping your fingers say, hey, listen everybody get back to work. there is only 25% of capacity at restaurants for example. broward, miami-dade, palm beach are left out out phase one of reopening. what is the message you're sending to people here? is there somewhere embedded in all of this, some sort of a worry that we, you know, if you don't get this right that you might see that spike in cases that you didn't get the first time around? >> the message really is that we want to be safe, we want to be smart, we want to do it step by step. i think we want to make sure that the public, floridians that have been sheltered in place for quite some time have confidence in governor desantis's strategy. we're doing it gradually sew we can build upon it. he was over the weekend meeting with salon owners, other business owners to really understand how we get to yes?
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how we get those retail facilities that aren't open yet, those counties that aren't open yet, how do we get them to yes? the way we get them to yes, continue to focus on expansion of testing, continue mitigation strategies we know work to collaborate, make sure we have contact tracing. make sure we're really protecting the vulnerable, those 65 and up, those with underlying health conditions. i think all in all our strategy -- connell: it is interesting -- >> go ahead. connell: the whole idea of getting to yes. that is interesting, did that come from a conversation with business owners they said, well i'm not really ready yet. some said i want to get back n.o.w.? what was the conversation of the back and forth like where there were some concerns maybe people were not quite ready and you were trying to reassure them through policy? >> absolutely. you have people on both sides of that equation. you have people eager and ready, willing to open up today if they could. you have those that are able and don't feel like they're ready.
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obviously that is a individual decision. i know that there are businesses that feel they want to take stronger measures than are required. that is perfectly fine. we want businesses to encouraged to do what is in the interest of their business model. if they want to open up sooner than they wanted to be able to do so, we're helping them get there but we want them to understand there are reasons why we haven't done that. connell: quick final answer on the move from phase one to phase two, when, how does that work? >> we don't have a hard and fast deadline when that next phase will come about. we're looking at numbers, we're looking at data very closely. we want to make sure the rate of positivity does not go up. everything we're seeing looks good for florida. we want to continue to follow that for a couple days. i think we'll hear from the governor soon as to when the next phase, phase two will be rolled out. connell: fair enough. thank you. check pack with us if you find the time. we appreciate it today. lieutenant governor from the
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state of florida. melissa? melissa: the push to hold china accountable. secretary of state mike pompeo says there is quote, enormous evidence linking the outbreak to wuhan lab. we're live from washington where things stand. that's next. a new warning from tyson is signaling even more disruptions to the nation's food supply. i've always been fascinated by what's next.
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♪. melissa: the battle between the u.s. and china intensifying. the chinese government is waging a campaign against secretary of state mike pompeo. rich edson is live from the state department with more on this war of words. rich? reporter: good afternoon, melissa, and state department officials are saying what they call more vitriol especially against secretary of state mike pompeo in chinese state media. the state department
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spokesperson, morgan ortegas tells us quote, the chinese communist party is not used to being held accountable after spending decades defying global norms and reckoning with calls around the world for transparency. kicking and screaming won't stop secretary pompeo and the trump administration in seeking the truth nor will it silence our allies and partners n china over the past week the peoples daily called pompeo's comments an awkward show and accused him of virus-like diplomacy. in another piece the peoples daily charges the secretary as accomplice of the virus. secretary pompeo meanwhile continues his criticism of the chinese communist party over its handling of the covid-19 outbreak. >> this is enormous crisis because the chinese communist party reverted to form, kind ever misinformation and concealment that authoritarian regimes do.
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if scientists were operated in america, they would put this out and quickly identified kind of things we need to be done in response. reporter: the secretary is critical of the chinese communist party well before the covid-19 pandemic. he is critical about what china does to the weaker population, the treatment of the muslim minority in the province and back to you. >> great reporting, rich. back to you. connell? connell: we have a legal battle, melissa, making waves. california governor gaff vin newsom is facing push back over beach closures. the newport city mayor on a new lawsuit. a restart in store operations doing so with some big changes. then responding to a surge in popularity, taco bell is rolling out its own version of a meal kit.
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this month. this is part of a larger corporate shakeup. the news networks will be organized into a single unit led by caesar condi, the chairman at telemundo. news breaking in the media industry. melissa. sorry, get back to melissa in a moment. get to one other story we have right now from the trucking industry. we talked a lot about tyson foods, and the company warning of additional meat plant closure that could happen this year, the kind of wider impact of that. in fact the president talked about it as well, the impact on the supply chain. how much will you end up paying when you're buying meat? we're joined by from jkc trucking from the coener and president. mike, it is, it interesting your industry, we talked about things picked up because that was one of the things, people needed truckers to get items from place to place. your business in particular relies quite heavily on the meat industry if i'm not mistaken.
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how about all news with closures of these plants is impacting things? >> well, since covid-19 everything has changed over the spectrum of transportation of food in america and most likely forever. these meat closures of plants are affecting a lot of supply chains. distribution centers it is, when the meat plant closes to give you a meat 101, meat's processed, first goes to slaughter, goes to processing, goes to packing, and then to distribution f there is any break in the chain it slows the whole thing down before it ends up on the shelf for you guys, for the consumer to buy. connell: you're one of the key links in that chain? we overuse the term supply chain, supply chain, explaining how it works involves your business obviously and what struck me about what you just said some of these changes are permanent. so how are you adjusting? >> we're ad judding multiple
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way -- adjusting multiple ways. these plants are shutting down and getting a deep clean and reopening too. we're adjusting by taking in lengths we've never gone to before. extra business we couldn't handle before, which is waiting for everything to get back up online slowly. you know i think these plants reopening will be definitely the foundation to get the economy going and food supply chain. connell: let me get your sense more broadly on the economy and the reopening. we've done almost every story on the show the last week or so, some degree how the country will get back to business, how we'll reopen, what have you, what do you and your workers notice out on the roads maybe a month or so ago? you had the whole road to yourself the way it was. are things picking up? on economy, do you notice across the country changes taking place real time? >> just couple weeks ago, to give you the ideas the food
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service industry was dead. overnight the food service industry came to a screeching halt. all food distributors cut and run due to all the restaurants being closed, the hotels, casinos. our weekly volumes have fallen 50% and rates fallen 54% in the refrigerated sector. to give you guys an idea, the worst was easter week. our volumes were down 50%. the week after that they went up, upticked about another 10%. two weeks after that they came up another 5%. slowly it is coming back but with these plants shutting down there will be another dip but we're going to recover and, get back to business hopefully soon. connell: you need a bridge to get you there? i mean you tapped into the ppp didn't you, the paycheck protection program and if so, how has that helped and what have you done in terms of headcount and the like? have you had to lay people off
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yet? >> yes, we did get ppp. ppp has been, keeping jkc running. we serve our customers and americans. we so far we have been lucky, we haven't had to let any of our workers go. we also kept every single employee and have not shut pay so far. connell: all right. and that can continue for how long, do you think? >> that's a good question. i would say another couple months, maybe sooner, depending on what is going to happen with the economy. the key thing is -- connell: of course the reopening, yeah. >> yeah. you know, the industries is done and keeps on going. meat is in the blood that pumps through jkc and we need, the goal is to keep trucks running.
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we need the plants up and the economy up and running. connell: mike, we wish you nothing but the best and thank you. valuable insights as we try to figure out what is going on around the country. jkc trucking is the company. melissa? melissa: the fight over the beaches in california. our next guest just filing a lawsuit over the closures but the state's governor might be to give in. we have breaking details on the story. our own neil cavuto will be joined by ken langone and bernie marcus for "america works together" virtual town hall. if you're a small business owner, you can send a video with your question on facebook or instagram. or email that video at "invested in you" at foxbusiness.com for a chance to be featured. tune in this thursday at 1:00 p.m. eastern right here on fox business. ♪.
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phone with someone. i could tell they were having somewhat animated conversation. after the show he came up told me, you won't believe what the conversation was about. one of our viewers called in from texas and wanted to help him in some way. and the guy offered to donate money. he didn't want to take money, something for nothing. the two had a conversation. they agreed danny would ship some coffee down to this viewer and after the bell regular named les. he and his wife donna watch the show every day we are using their first names. they didn't do this for publicity. they didn't want to be mentioned. they wanted to give. help someone they never met on the other side of the country. we thought that might be worth taking a second to share with you today. melissa. melissa: that is amazing story. so touching. all right, suing california's governor, kevin muldoon current
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newport beach city councilman and former may, is suing gavin newsom's over his order to chose california beaches. there is chance the governor might be giving in. announcing a beaches in san clemente and may open after they're get making accomodations. is this a victory after making this announcement now? >> melissa, thank you for having me on the show. i think the governor is finding a way to backpedal. he identified every city in orange county, only orange county, he intended to close down all the beaches. no citizen could step on the sands, including my town newport beach. he is starting to feel the heat, i believe, this is him i believe trying to back out of it. melissa: why is it only orange county? he is the governor of all of california around there is miles and miles of beach. what about malibu? what about everywhere else?
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>> that is a great question. i have the same question. in a press conference he called out two counties, ventura county and orange county. one of those counties being more conservative than the other, that being orange county. when he issued his order it came down purely on the county of orange. many are here on the impression is unfairly targeted orange county and orange county residents. a lot of people are very upset including myself. melissa: opening some of the beaches in orange county, does that do the trick? does he have to do the rest? you know, he was responding to, there was a lot of press and a lot of pictures about people being particularly close together in orange county, young people out on the beach. is that possibly what got his attention? >> let me dress that issue first. there were pictures taken from the ground level made it look like people on the ground were
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close. our police chief took aerial shots. those contrarily shots clearly showed knows people were distancing. at same time firemen and police officers on the ground were telling the chief and city council members it was clear most people were practicing social distancing. of course some people were not. our staff would politely go up to them, show more distance and be more considerate. the photo did not accurately depict the residents of orange county. the residents of orange orange county are responsible and flattened curve and they practice is as much social distancing as possible. melissa: what was response to your office? did you try to talk to him whether it was the mayor or city council? how did he respond and what did you do? >> my city staff says no one reached out to them. there was a rumor the night
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before issuing a order he would close down every beach in the state. a memo was sent out from the chiefs association saying that. then the next morning he closed down only orange county and as far as i know, he did not talk to a single elected official or staff member of any cities or the county of orange. you can't help but think it is related -- melissa: did anybody call him? >> my staff did reach out to his staff when we received the letter. we however were already working on a plan. his letter was interesting. it asked us to have a plan. we were working on the plan based on council meeting we would have on tuesday. so it was very odd that the governor would take such a micromanagement interest in a city like ours when he is not doing so with the rest of the city up and down the state, only cities in orange county. >> what has been the response to your lawsuit? i mean how long would that take? and is it about getting his attention or do you really think that there is a legal remedy
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that would come in a reasonable amount of time? >> no. i do think the legal remedy for him to open our beaches. under the california state constitution it is right to have access to the beaches. the experts are saying that fresh air and sunshine are good for you. so the governor's orders are sort of counterintuitive. they don't make much sense to -- the federal courts i think would strike them down. melissa: do you think he has gotten credit in other ways for having done a good job in terms of in terms of the homeless population and some other issues? do you think in other ways he has done a good job just botched this one issue or do you hate the way he handled the whole outbreak? >> i think he did a really good job coming out strong early as our own local orange county officials did what it took to flat enthe curve. at this point californians are ready for a timeline. they want to get back in business of course with caution.
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they're concerned as everyone else is about the spread of disease and virus. i believe the governor made a huge error singling out orange county. i think that there is something he should retract immediately. melissa: yeah. you know, who has the right to be on the beach, who owns the beach, who has right-of-way on it is a touchy issue in california. i'm from there originally. it is one of those things. it is not supposed to be the playground of the rich. they don't like government having dominion over it. it is really symbolic are in a lot of ways. we'll watch this with you. thank you so much. i want to tell our audience we did reach out to the governor's office for a response to this lawsuit and this issue and we haven't heard back yet but we still hope to. connell? connell: all right. we'll continue to follow that. we also have a major retailer irasing a return. macy's is reopening nearly 70 stores across the country today. the shopping experience will
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♪ ♪ melissa: malls and retail stores like macy's beginning to reopen, grady trimble is outside the mall in lafayette, indiana, with more. grady? >> reporter: melissa, you could say this mall is open, but kind of, because simon property group opened up this mall and several others in indiana as well as others in other states that are reopening like texas, tennessee, south carolina, but they left it up to the individual retailers to decide if they wanted to open their doors. this macy's, for example, not one of the 68 reopening today. it's still the closed and so are all the other department stores at this mall. so you can only go through the main entrance, and customers who are going into this mall are noting some big changes. simon property group closing all
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play areas and water fountains at their mall. food court seating will be limited to keep social distancing in place. employees will have to wear masks, and customers are encouraged to wear masks and check their temperature before coming to the mall. time will tell if these new precautions will make customers feel safe enough to come back to mall if -- to malls. >> personally, i think it's a little too early. i don't see this getting any better with a whole lot of people out. >> it's go at your own risk. keep your hands washed, face covered and try to do your best. >> reporter: and we talked to one young man who went inside to get a much-needed haircut. the barbershop was open. he said only about two other stores were. in fact, the lights weren't even on in there. the food court wasn't even open, so this is retail for now in one of the states that's loosening restrictions and starting to reopen things. melissa?
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melissa: grady, i love it. she said do it at your own risk. yeah, that's pretty much life. yeah, go at your own risk. well, thank you all for watching us. we will be back here tomorrow. "lou dobbs tonight" starts right now. ♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. we begin with breaking news as we have learned more details of president trump's intention to hold communist china and the world health organization accountable for the deadly pandemic that has spread farther this evening, infecting and killing more people. president trump will punish china for releasing and lying about the severe few of the deadly wuhan virus, and mr. trump clearly means to end involvement and financial support of the world health organization because of its alignment with china and the unequivocal lies about
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