tonight. have a good evening and good night from sussex. ♪. elizabeth: welcome to "the evening edit." i'm elizabeth macdonald. president trump just visited a mask manufacturers plant run by honeywell in the battleground state of arizona. let's listen to what the president just said. >> one day they said we have to close our country. well now it is time to open it up, and you know what? the people of our country are warriors around i'm looking at it. i'm not saying anything is perfect. yes, will some people affected? yes. will some people be affected badly? yes. we have to get our country open and we have to get it open soon.

elizabeth: tonight the battle to reopen. with us sidney powell, also on the battle between the fbi and mike flynn. house judiciary want a probe fbi corruption, republicans there. we have with us tonight former congressman jason chaffetz and byron york. let's kick off the show with senator rounds from south dakota. great to have you, sir. >> thank you. appreciate the opportunity to visit with you. elizabeth: your reaction to what the president is saying and the fight to reopen? two dozen states pushing to reopen. there is a push back against that. there is a fear cases will spike higher if you do that. what is your take? >> we have to do both. we have to keep our workers safe. we have to use some good ol' common sense but we have to open up our economy as well. in this country we can make that happen. i'm convinced right now if we have the proper equipment and testing and we've got aways to go on testing but if we get the

property equipment and proper testing, if people use common sense, keep the separation out there, we can reopen the economy, get things rolling again, and at the same time keep our employees safe. elizabeth: you know, sir, the senate is back in action. the house is on recess still during a pandemic. critics are saying firefighters, cops, cashiers, grocery store clerks, pharmacists, doctors, nurses they're fighting to get this economy and the health of the country back on track. why is the house still on recess? nancy pelosi is now quote, saying, you know the president should not be doing his press conferences, you know, slamming the president on that. they want to bring in dr. fauci and dr. birx to testify. your reaction to all of that? >> first of all i think dr. fauci will be before the senate. it will provide good, ample opportunity for both sides to answer questions. remember in the house they have done everything they can to try

to discredit the president and the administration. what they should remember when you go to impeach a president, you make an enemy. when that happens there is no way he will help them create more controversy. what is the president is focused on getting the economy going again. he opened up, he told us in the senate that he wants to do whatever he can to work with us. the fact that dr. fauci is it coming to the senate would suggest that he thinks the senate will treat them fairly, ask, good, hard, but fair questions. the house will have to learn the hard way this is a case of a pandemic which it takes all of the country to win. we have to be pulling together on this. right now i suspect the president doesn't think the house is necessarily pulling in the same direction as the rest of the country is. elizabeth: you know, senator, let's show timeline the reaction of the trump administration to the covid-19 outbreak. if we can show the viewer what really happened because there is pushback saying why didn't the president get testing done faster, why didn't he react

fastter? it should be noted that china did not release genome sequence of this virus until late in the outbreak, also is yet to release the virus samples so doctors and researchers and met experts can build drug therapies and vaccines off of it. your take on the big pushback against the president and trump administration saying you were too slow off the mark, you gave false comfort, topspin, false security for the american people, you shouldn't have done that, your reaction to this? >> the president suggested very strongly, i agree with the president, that china should bear the blame. in this country, there is always an opportunity for us to say in hindsight we think we could do better. that is a good goal but you have to play with the cards that are dealt to you. when china did not release, when they knew this was a problem, they didn't release that information, it put the entire world behind the eight ball. that is exactly what happened here.

when china did not come clean with what was going on, since they did not share the rest of the world there was a serious pandemic going on, they didn't tell us exactly what was popping that put everybody behind the eight ball. in our country we had the same problem the rest of the world did. the president worked very, very hard to bring everything together. his team has been open to the suggestions we've done. whenever we see something to improve upon, they have taken our emrecommendations and act on them. i think of number of things we made requests opening up fema. they opened up fema and used logistics already in place. they did it immediately upon our request. i went back to him, talked to him literally what is happening in the food market and food processing. we asked for emergency orders under the defense production act. within two days the defense production act was activated. we had assistance for some of those meatpacking plants that

were shut down and needed help reopening. he has been very responsive to our requests for additional assistance. that is what you want in an administration. you want to have the good line of communication. elizabeth: yeah. what is happening now is the fear of bankruptcies are going to be on the rise. we have j. crew filing, neiman marcus is in trouble, jcpenney has been in trouble. we've got international travel maybe not come back until 2021. that is what the treasury secretary says. we've got the u.s. government borrowing fiscal year four 1/2 trillion, maybe five trillion dollars. you know, we have the house still in recess during a pandemic, worth repeating again. small business paycheck protection program is running out of money. california took a big chunk of that. talk to us about wendy's running out of meat for burgers. there is a meat shortage happening right now. can you talk about that. >> we actually went to the president and advised him our beef processors were telling us they were in the middle of a real problem here in their

production capabilities. i sent a letter to the president and asked him to open up the defense production act. the reason for it was because our pork processors were sharing with us, the market folks were telling us by the end of last week they expected 45% of our pork production to be shut down. they expected the 25% of our beef production facilities, their capacity would be shut down as well and that is exactly what's going on. we have got some in storage, and we've got plenty of livestock. the challenge is we have a bottleneck at the processing and we need to got those facilities up and operating but they had to be operated safely which meant we needed to have the defense production act put into play so at the could get the emergency equipment they needed to keep their employees safe. nobody wants them to operate without a good, safe, work environment but we have to have our food back in production again. elizabeth: yeah. >> the president responded literally within 4 8 hours.

elizabeth: understood, the democrats face the trial bar, the trial lobby. you know there is a need for some kind of liability for protection for businesses to reopen. mitch mcconnell has been talking about that, democrats pelosi and schumer pushing against it. they do want safe working environment the for workers. that is the big fight still now underway. i want to get to the optimism. it is not just remdesivir, gilead's remdesivir looks like a promising drug. it lists japan's fuji film unit is pushing through, look at this, the drug to over 40 countries, for covid-19 trials. roche is working with an arthritis drug, an anti-inflammatory treatment to stop the cytokine storm. we also hear out of the netherlands they have a monoclonal antibody that destroys the virus.

1000 drug trials pushing on vaccine there is optimism, hope here, reaction to this story? >> absolutely there is optimism out there with regard to remdesivir, there is a possibility of having that working as a therapeutic in the very near future. but along with that, the vaccines being developed as we speak, we put additional money into the cares act which we actually funded a process where rather than having pharmaceutical companies putting up money for the manufacture of large doses we said, look, let us put up the money for the large doses of the best prospects out there so that if they do prove to be effective and safe, that we'll already have a supply of those vaccines red did you to go. that is in the works right now. and so we're looking ahead. we're optimistic we're going to get something successful with regard to vaccines. that really means that people will understand that even if they get this virus, or even if

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♪. elizabeth: welcome back. you're watching "the evening edit" on the fox business network. welcome back to the show the former chair of the california republican party. tom, great to see you. we're seeing protests breaking out in north carolina. we've seen, we're tracking protests from coast to coast. people are really frustrated. they want to get back to work but the issue is this disease is asymptomatic in people. they have no symptoms. they can infect others. that is the issue. can we safely reopen and how do you do it? >> well you need to protect the vulnerable and realize there has to be a balance in life. covid didn't replace all the other problems in america. it added to them. you see in england where they talk about 18,000 additional cancer deaths because they can't got treatment. the same is here. you have citizens frustrated because they see here in california jails being emptied, crime going up, yet they're told to stay in their house.

yet they're going broke. i have been a small business attorney now for three decades. when a restaurant, family restaurant goes out of business their savings is wiped out. a check from washington, d.c. or sacramento isn't going to make the difference. so there has to be a balance. it is not one or the other. it is balancing it all. elizabeth: all right. let me just back up. the imperial college of london initially said 2.2 million deaths for the united states. they ratcheted it dramatically down, cutting that prediction down, that estimate down i think about 80, 90%. the imperial college of london said you don't need to shut down the economy. do targeted quarantines. they advised against that. now we have the media misreporting a fema model that was never meant to be a prediction, never meant to be a forecast of 3,000 deaths a day. that was not a hard and fast number. what is going on here? we see misreporting constantly

happening and people got up in arms, and shutdowns continue. this is a dangerous disease, we understand it. the americans are dealing with it. what is also really dangerous is the bankruptcies that are flowing in, 34 million people and now possibly on the friday jobs report out of work. your reaction? >> yeah. 100%. this drive to make the news with big numbers is not a good thing and so what you have people are frustrated. they longer trust the government. the cdc said back in 2014 ebolo could have 1.4 million deaths in four months and wound up with 30. they are frustrated that, these people have reallies. these people in washington, they get to keep their job and they get paid but that isn't happening out here. why here in california when they shut down a county which has no deaths and no cases? sonoma and napa, two really important counties, the wine

industry of california have had a total of five deaths. that is where the frustration is setting in. all this misreporting is causing people not to believe the media and not to believe government. that is a bad situation which is why we need better balance. elizabeth: yeah. especially when you see orange county releasing sex offenders, california releasing 14 murders and people who were accessory to murder. we see washington state a group there pushing for 2/3 of the prison population to be released. i want to get back to the american people who want to work, we want to get back to work. listen to governor cuomo of new york saying a shutdown is not sustainable. watch this. >> when i say the situation is unsustainable, it is unsustainable on many levels. it is unsustainable economically. it is unsustainable personally. a lot of anxiety is now all through our community. we see it in increased

alcoholism, increased substance abuse, increased domestic violence. elizabeth: okay, here is what is also going on. the majority of states have not seen a decline yet. they're at a plateau. we're not on the other side of the curve yet. 1/3 of the states are seeing increase in cases happening right now. again and again, can you reopen safely? can it be done? governor cuomo of new york says what we're doing now simply not sustainable. >> it isn't sustainable and poverty by the way is the number one indicator of mortality. we have to stop the one size fits all. it is not even constitutional. where you have rural land and you have few cases you should allow them greater leeway than los angeles and new york but right now los angeles and new york are dictating the entire of american policy and that won't work. that is where jobs will be lost long term and this economy will be weak for years unless we

adopt a more, less of a one-size-fits-all and a more practical policy. elizabeth: you know what is putting stress on right now? the first-responders, and fire departments, the first-responders and the police departments. listen to patrick lynch. in new york city he runs the police benevolent association. he says, quote, the nypd needs to get cops out of the social distancing enforcement business all together. the cowards who run the city given us nothing but vague guidelines and mixed messages leaving cops on the street corners to fend for themselves. he is talking about the ramshackle approach by new york city mayor bill de blasio. critics in the media are saying that of the mayor. your reaction? >> yeah, 100%. here in california you have das openly say they will not enforce that or force police to engage in that sort of thing, because, a, it is not

productive, and b, not solving any issues. you can't have the biggest city run the rural counties as well in addition to running the country into the ground. the question is whether politicians will come together? one side seems to want this as an issue but we need to get to a point where they sit down at the table in places like california, instead of dictating from the capital, reach out and make this a local issue because they know best. elizabeth: okay. tom, great to see you my friend. former chair of the california republican party. see you soon. >> take care. elizabeth: coming up next, retired lieutenant colonel james carafano on the white hot fight between the u.s. and china. an internal memo circulating among the leaders of china talking about a worst-case scenario. could this escalate into armed conflict? that is what china is now debating. plus media misreporting what is

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♪ elizabeth: welcome back. you're watch being "the evening edit" own the fox business network. we're coming into the bottom of the hour. let's welcome to the show retired army lieutenant colonel james carafano of the heritage foundation. great to see you, sir. there is a rot -- reuters report, that china is circulating inside of its leadership, internal memo, warning after worst-case scenario with the united states. it could go into hot war of armed conflict as anti-china sentiment around the world is the worse since tianamen square crackdown in 1989. your reaction to this story? >> this is a very hawkish, super right-wing think tank affiliated with the military, intelligence community. they will give you the most dire prediction. they have always been america will attack us bring us to war. they're feeding the chinese leadership. a lot of response to the chinese in this virus they're not

stepping up to take over, they're afraid the economy, they're afraid of the world reputation, they're afraid somebody might take aadvantage of them. what this think tank is doing exploiting that fear. this is where i will say this is deadly right on. this is the most anti-american the world has been since tianamen square. i think that is absolutely true. the notion this will go to conflict between the united states and china, that is simply ludicrous. elizabeth: you know, treasury secretary steve mnuchin is saying, do not punish china right now. he is saying basically the trade deal has china buying $200 billion of u.s. goods over the next two years. is there a way to de-escalate this? i understand the problems that the united nations but there is talk that the u.n. should pick it up, probably won't go anywhere there but the eu president is also saying yes, do an independent probe. people at the u.n. are saying, do an independent probe of what happened with china. your reaction to that? >> i tell them follow jim's

magic formula. there is three parts. number one getting the american economy up and running. that is the single most important thing. nothing else matters. if we don't do this soon, we'll have a depression and 1930s will look like the good ol' days. so number one is, anything, you cannot do anything to china is going to inter fear with rebooting the american economy. that is one. number is, if you're going to do something to china, do something that doesn't make you feel good. do something that hurts them. investigating them with the, investigating the world health organization, investigating china, getting to the truth, that will hurt them. i think the third thing is, do stuff for the long term. china is not going anywhere. you don't want to just slap them and walk away. you want to put pressure on them that they feel that it is never going to go away. so i think if you hit those three policy priorities then you have a good idea, put it on the table. elizabeth: the chair of the joint chiefs of staff said today

indicated it looks like it may, the covid-19 virus accidentally leaked out of a wuhan the wuhan virology lab. five irass intelligence, u.s., uk, australia, new zealand, canada, finding that yes, covid-19, it is a scathing rebuke about china's handling ever the outbreak, reckless it was with the labs letting the thing leak out. china denied, covering up human-to-human transmission. got rid of whistleblowers. scrubbed off the internet terms like sars, basically anything with wuhan unknown pneumonia, sars variation and wuhan seafood market. the thing bothering to anything, china accused doing this is accused hoarding medical supplies before it told the world what was going on,

including trying to get gilead sciences patent on remdesivir. your reaction to this? >> this is where i really think we've got to get beyond circumstantial evidence. this is a big bureaucracy. and, who knows how these things are connected. there could have been one guy in one part of the government. i'm not excusing china, but could be one guy in one part of the government saying oh, my god, we have to stockpile the stuff because we have a problem coming he may have been not talking to another guy in the government gee, we'll not tell anybody what we're doing. we connect the dots, i don't know we have the evidence to suggest the dots are actually connected but this gets to the point you raised. we have to deal with this, pile on. five irass intel. get a really strong case what china actually did. elizabeth: 10 seconds. powe lit call running out of stories, saying the media in china attacking trump calling

him a blow hard. he is responsible for a terrible outbreak killing its own people. "politico" not reporting that the media in china is state-owned and state governor earned and state-backed. reaction to that. >> they said, chinese twit he is going after trump. not telling people twitter is blocked in china. only people allowed to get on twitter in china are trolls for the chinese government. state propaganda attacking the president of the united states. "politico" is pretending that the chinese people don't like donald trump. unbelievably bad tweeting ever. is there, is there worst ever? is that a standard? elizabeth: okay. we got your point. thank you for that. great to have you on, colonel. coming up byron york on the joe biden story. elizabeth warren really wants to be his vice president. she went after bloomberg for not disclosing his non-disclosure

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♪. elizabeth: let's welcome to the show columnist, he is a great writer, and also a book author. he is byron york. welcome back, byron. >> hi, liz, thanks for having me. elizabeth: sure. so a lot of democrat women now want to be biden's vice-presidential choice. it is elizabeth warren, governor whitmer, stacey abrams. we've been reporting how they have been echoing the flawed and irerroneous talking points from the biden campaign that the "new york times" says we didn't vet, we didn't say tara reade doesn't have a story. you know, so they have been doing that but elizabeth warren, remember, went after michael bloomberg during the debate saying, michael bloomberg, release your non-disclosure agreements with women who accused him of misconduct at his

company but now elizabeth warren is saying, i'm fine with biden. he doesn't have to release anything about his senate work records when it comes to tara reade's allegations. is this going to hold water with the voter in the coming election? >> i don't think so. before the election with the press, look, this is not, remember the clinton email situation? when the public discovered that clinton had separated all of these so-called personal emails from her state department emails, she said i have already destroyed them, sorry. they're gone. and when, when congress asked for them, when the house asked for them, clinton's lawyers said, forget it, you won't see them, they're gone, they're destroyed. this is not that. these are papers, deposited with the university of delaware being cared for by the university of delaware that joe biden on his own say so could open up to public inspection.

that is going to create a lot of pressure on biden to do that, maybe democrats will come up with some way to really limit the look that people could have of these papers, maybe between dates. maybe anything that applies specifically to tara reade, nothing else. i mean but the basic idea is the man was in the senate for 36 years. it is a big part of his case to the american people, that he has the leadership and experience to be able to be president. why is making his papers a secret? elizabeth: you know so we had democrat senators ed markey, jeff merkley, tim kaine, who was hillary's choice for vice president, yes, there should be a an independent probe what tara reade saying what joe biden did to her. the allegation he sexually assaulted her in 1993 when joe biden was 20 years in as senator. remember the brett kavanaugh was when brett kavanaugh was a

teenager this is different. what is happening now, we're seeing joe biden to your point has the power to release his senator work records of his employees at the university of delaware. the university of delaware though is also moving the goalpost byron, we will release two years after biden leaves public office. they changed it to public office. they will not release the record looks like. do the american people have a right to know had a sexual assault claim against them and sexual harrassment? tara reade may be more people have complaints. seven women stepped forward to accuse biden of misconduct. do voters have a right to look at this? >> of course they do and the question of access is biden's to decide, not university of delaware to decide. there is an interesting situation who would investigate? if you remember during the brett kavanaugh allegations, they were asking for the fbi to

investigate the unfounded allegations against kavanaugh. in a review, op-ed, that created a lot of laughter, "the new york times" called for the democratic national committee to investigate the joe biden al decisions. that doesn't seem like a great idea either. without specific criminal charge, without a criminal investigation, who would do this? biden is a private citizen. he is not in public office now. not clear who would do it. elizabeth: yeah. remember cory booker, his "spartacus" moment, mollie hemingway at "the federalist," remember that. cory booker, standing up, brett kavanaugh release your legislative, your constitutional positions and basically saying he was saying do that early before we even call him in. so they're saying all of that, right? now they're saying democrats are saying mum. this seems like an issue for them. >> the paper is really interesting in the kavanaugh

sense because if you remember kavanaugh served as staff secretary in the bush white house. that is a very big, important position that basically controls all the paper that gets to the president's desk. what democrats were asking for all the papers involving kavanaugh from years at the bush white house. really had nothing much to do with anything as far as supreme court nomination is concerned but they wanted them. it is really hard for democrats now we wanted to see those, president bush's papers which might have had something to do with brett kavanaugh around we don't want to see joe biden's papers which do have something to do with joe biden. elizabeth: okay. byron york, thank you so much. great to see you. >> thank you, liz. elizabeth: coming up next, sydney powell, lawyer for michael flynn, on the push by republicans in the house judiciary to get the fbi to probe corruption in its ranks. will it get done? what's the next shoe to drop

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elizabeth: welcome to the show, fox news contributor, former republican congressman, jason chaffetz. good to see you, sir. >> thanks for having me on. appreciate it. elizabeth: i would like your reaction to adam schiff, because the senate did not impeach president trump it created more

casualties than 9/11. listen to adam schiff. >> the one thing we dramatically understated is when we asked the question, if you found him guilty, do you really need to remove him given that there is another election only nine months away, how much damage could he really do. we said a lot but little did we know just how great the casualties would be. some days we lose the equivalent of number of people we lost on 9/11. elizabeth: sir, i thought impeach was about ukraine? >> yeah. that is one of the most sick and disgusting things that adam schiff has said and he said a lot of bad things. to suggest that because donald trump is president that people are dying of coronavirus is fundamentally wrong, it is hollow, it is fundamentally wrong and its truth into its core. he is trying to take political advantage of the situation as if the democrats could have

magically solved this. how many times have i heard the democrats say, a virus knows no borders. a virus knows know party affiliation. yet when donald trump was trying to suppress the virus and hold back immigration so that people were not coming to this country democrats were nowhere to be found and not helpful. for him now to go back and say, if only we had impeached him, you know, your friend, your relative, your coworker wouldn't have died. that is just disgusting and its core. elizabeth: you know, let's show, now the push is what was the trump administration response. china was denying human-to-human transmission. this has to be taken into the context, the world did not get china to release virus samples. they still have yet to do that. you know, the question is, with the topspin hurt the president? that is the criticism against

him. he, his supporters are saying he is trying to avoid mass panic. he is trying to be optimistic. in early february, only 15 cases it will be close to zero. we surpassed way more than that, your reaction to all of this? look at the timeline of the reaction of the trump administration to this pandemic. go ahead. >> you're right, china was lying to the united states of america and the world about the severity. the world health organization was not telling the truth and not giving out good data about its transmission. when donald trump took decisive action very early in the process, in shutting down the, the travel between china and the united states, joe biden, the democrats, they were calling the president all sorts of names. he was, you know, all sorts of annecdotes they were saying and blaming him. there was an overreaction. they were nowhere to be found.

what adam schiff has to live with. he was the chairman of the intelligence committee. while they were off doing, working on their impeachment stuff, they weren't paying attention to the national intelligence and these things started to percolate. they weren't doing their job. so you got to come together united as a nation to fight this thing back. and i have seen donald trump day in, day out, working harder than anybody can possibly believe. elizabeth: right. yeah, working fall out 24/7, working throughout the clock through the night. that is what our sources saying. joining nancy pelosi attacking the president, saying his move to cut off flights from china, i got to say, the obama administration, with joe biden as vice president, the fact remains, that the, the obama administration moved to cut $270 million in 2014 out of the cdc's pandemic response.

they let the stockpile almost vacant of n95 masks after h1n1, that pandemic. your take on that with this part of the story? >> i think it is the silly season. i think biden, pelosi, everybody else will do anything and everything they can to take down donald trump but i think people will look back. they will understand that donald trump and the administration doing everything they can possibly do. elizabeth: okay. jason chaffetz, thank you so much for joining us. that does it for us. thank you for watching. join us tomorrow night with congressman jim jordan and many more guests. we'll have a jam-packed show. thank you for watching. hope you have a good evening. that does it for "the evening edit".

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