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judges to administer it impartially will continue to erode if this court fails to put a swift end to this spectacle. the breaking developments follow the release of a fully-redacted e-mail written by former obama national security adviser susan rice. that e-mail sense by susan rice to herself on the president's inauguration day memorializing an oval office meeting on january 5th of 2017. in that meeting general flynn was a major topic of discussion. this newly-unredacted portion of the e-mail shows that fbi director james comey had, quote: some concerns about flynn's conversations with the russian ambassador. rice, however, also says comey added that he has no indication thus far that flynn has passed classified information to kislyak but noted their level of communication was unusual. well, joining this evening by phone is general flynn's defense

attorney, sidney powell. the former federal prosecutor, best selling author. sid, good to have you with us. and this filing and at the same time emmet sullivan betraying just an amazingly urgent sense of this case, putting oral arguments forward for july 16th? where are we? how soon can there be some resolution of this mess that sullivan has created? >> well, the court of appeals for the d.c. circuit, it has before it now an emergency writ for petition of mandamus which would resolve the issues with respect to judge sullivan rain shut down the entire -- and shut down the entirely dick louse matter because his actions can contrary to justice ginsburg's unanimous supreme court decision of just a week ago, two weeks ago now, i think, and, of course, d.c. court decisions recently in the last couple

years. as we say in the brief, he's way out in left field by himself. lou: well, he's -- it's more than that. he seems erratic. is he in good health? >> i have nothing, i have no information about his health. i've never seen a jurist go this far to try to prosecute someone himself. it's really quite stunning. lou: it is stunning, and it also raises the question how soon would you expect the d.c. court of appeals to act? if they were to decide to remove him from this case, and one can't imagine any other decision that would be rational on the part of the appellate court. >> they can end it as fast as they want to. i would hope within no more than two weeks. they usually ask for a reply -- lou: two weeks. >> or -- well, i mean, they're federal courts. they could take however they want, but they could do it tomorrow. lou: well, let's hope it's

tomorrow because that, at least it would have some compensatory value given all the slights of general flynn over the course of three years in which his life has been turned upside down. why isn't the justice department joining you in court on this? why aren't they insisting that this judge be removed? it is their -- or the supreme court, for that matter? it is their ruling that's being challenged here, it is the justice department's order that is being challenged here. and it is, it's not something that can be contested in law, but here we are watching judge sullivan do just that. >> yes, we are. i would expect the justice department to join our petition very soon. we can move faster than the department of justice can, and that's what we did. [laughter] lou: well, you know, that's to

your credit. i think it's also woeful that the federal judiciary is bogged down. it's behaving like an arkansas cayic -- arkansas cayic -- archaic institution, and let's hope that justice emerges from the ea appellate judiciary e and soon for the sake of your client and for the sake of justice in this country. sidney, thanks so much. we appreciate you being with us and good luck. sidney powell, defense attorney for general michael flynn. she's seeking an immediate remuscle -- removal of judge emmet sullivan. president trump has put china's puppet u.n. agency, the world health organization, on notice. in a letter to the agency's director general, president trump informed the w.h.o. it has 30 days in which to commit to major substantive improvements before he eliminates american

funding of the w.h.o. permanently. president trump blames the organization for covering up for the chinese communist party including supporting china's outright lies about the origin of the wuhan virus pandemic and not telling the world what they had unleashed on the world. also saying the world health organization didn't act quickly or aggressively even in the initial outbreak in wuhan, china. the four-page letter hate out a series of -- laid out a series of charges against the w.h.o. and its leadership. the president warning the director general, quote: if the world health organization doesn't commit to major substantive improvements within the next 30 days, i will make my temporary freeze of united states funding to the world health organization permanent and reconsider our membership in the organization. the president today reiterated again at the white house the threat. >> the letter's very detailed,

long letter. but, basically, he was to clean up their act. they have -- they have to clean up their act. they have to be much more fair to countries including the united states, or we're not going to be involved with them anymore. we'll do it a separate way, okay? lou: president trump making it clear he believes the w.h.o. is no longer serving the interests of the united states, and the only way forward for the world health organization is for it to demonstrate outright independence from communist china. president trump is also seeking ways to further punish china for deceiving the world and covering up the severity of the deadly wuhan virus contagion with they unleashed on an unsuspecting world. the trump administration's department of health and human services today taking the first step toward cutting off america's dependency on foreign pharmaceutical suppliers in china. hhs announced they've awarded a $354 million contract to

virginia-based flow corporation to manufacture generic medicines and ingredients in this country. those drugs to be made include those needed to treat the wuhan virus. while president trump takes decisive action against china and the world health organization, he's also driving his administration to get america's economy back up and running. the president signed an executive order in the white house east room today empowering his cabinet secretaries to cutting regulations in order to help drive the transition back to a reopening and prospering american economy. reopening the country also a big topic of discussion during the president's meeting with republican senate leaders today on capitol hill. here's what the president had to say right after that, that meeting. >> we're to going to have a really good third quarter. it's already happening. you see what's going on. we're opening up, the states are opening up. numbers are going down as they open. look at georgia, look at

florida, look at others. we have states that are opening up, and the numbers are going down. but it's a transition to greatness. lou: and joining us tonight is national economic council director larry kudlow. larry, good to have you with us, and it is a day of reopening across much of the country. it's an important beginning. give us what you expect to happen over the next 2-4 weeks. >> well, vice president pence echoed president trump today and announced that one way or another phasing in reopening of all 50 states. so that's very, very good news. be honest with you, lou, we're till in this contraction period -- still in this contraction period. the second quarter, obviously, it's a pandemic contraction with nothing but hardship and heartache. but lately there's some glimmers of hope and some glimmers of growth. i mean, we're seeing better gas

demand, we're seeing, you know, the mapping mobility is picking up, people are deciding to drive some more. mortgage forbearance is down. even the dreadful unemployment claims which are still signaling difficulties in unemployment, at least they're coming down from 7 million a week to less than 3 million a week. so there's some early glimpses of recovery. we're still in a very difficult position, and we probably will be. but the reopening is absolutely crucial. a safe reopening will move this economy forward, and the president wants more middle class tax cuts and regulatory reform to help businesses and workers. lou: well, all of that would be very helpful. we also know what the president faces with the democratic-led congress in gaining such cuts. the amount of stimulus that's been added to the economy is up precedented, and --

unprecedented in this unprecedented crisis. the federal reserve is doing an extraordinary job. at the same time, we're hearing a lot of forecasters trying to tell us what the unemployment rate will be four months from now and how desperately deep the gdp growth rate will fall. none of which is helpful. but these policy prescriptions have been, i think, remarkable. and the cooperation between the fed and the treasury is, i think, unprecedented. your thoughts. >> well, i agree. i mean, secretary mnuchin deserves a lot of credit. fed chair jay powell deserves a lot of credit. the wind is blowing here. if i blow off the stage, i'll do the best i can. look, i think the president has said many times the second half, the third and fourth quarters are going to show solid growth rates after a very dismal pandemic contraction in the second quarter. and i have -- that is my reading. and i've said we're seeing some early glimpses of that.

and we have an opportunity if we get the right policy mix to have a fabulous 2021. i mean, you know, could really be a big bang year. so, you know, i just think the reopening is the key. we're in transition, lou, and we're assessing the situation overall, and we're going to have our own policy asks which will be pro-growth. going back to basic, you know, trumponomics. let's get the middle class tax cuts, let's get rid of as much regulation as possible, let's help energy, and let's make good trade deals. lou: well, that's a great prescription because with we know it works. and to bring it back is entirely appropriate. and an additional concern though in terms of policy, the president says we're going to punish china for its outrageous and barbaric conduct in covering up the contagion and not warning the world of that deadly virus

that it unleashed on us. what form will those, will that punishment take economically? are we going to see severe sanctions against the chinese? and how soon? >> well, the president hasn't made those decisions yet and, actually, he answered a questioned today at the cabinet meeting from the media, he's not a punishment guy. he doesn't look at the world that way. but regarding the world health organization, i mean, look, they did not take action, they did not -- lou: i just want to is can -- i need to ask you, larry, that was a non sequitur to me. he's not a punishment guy. he is the one who has said that there will be consequences and that there will be accounting. and secondly, whether you're a punishment guy or not a punishment guy seems absolutely irrelevant to the fact that we have lost almost now 100,000 lives in this country.

it's stunning to me that -- are you basically saying that the trump administration will not hold china accountable -- >> no, no -- lou: -- for not warning the united states? >> no, please, let me be clear on this. i was quoting, essentially, what the president said. lou: please. >> he's not taking -- he had said and we've all said china must be held account, must be held accountable. that's the thought i'm trying to convey. accountability is a key principle. china and the world health organization seem to us they were in collusion, they were covering up the chinese story, there's a lack of action, a lack of information, and those were outlined in the president's very tough letter to the world health organization. lou: [inaudible] >> regarding china in general, again, the president has said they will be held accountable. i just want to be absolutely clear on that.

our motives are, our motives are to protect -- lou: what does it mean when you say they won't be punished, larry? that's -- we're out of time, but i just am stunned to hear that. because, i mean, we're talking, you know, a huge loss of life to this country. there's nothing academic about this. >> let me -- i just want to stick with the word accountability because that's the word the president used. and -- lou: so noted. >> and i want to say also we took very strong action because china's stock market, public companies, we kept them out of the retirement fund. they were fraudulently accounting, there were national security threats. is so that was done, again, for investor protection and national security. they must be held accountable, i'll say it again and i'll thank you for it. lou: you needn't. i thank you for joining us.

>> thank you. lou: good to have you with us. larry kudlow. up next, a new report finds the treasury department was keeping a close eye on general michael flynn as well. we take that up and much more with investigative journalist john solomon. we'll be right back, please stay with us. you'll find it worthwhile. there are times when our need to connect really matters. to keep customers and employees in the know. to keep business moving. comcast business is prepared for times like these. powered by the nation's largest gig-speed network. to help give you the speed, reliability, and security you need. tools to manage your business from any device, anywhere. and a team of experts - here for you 24/7. we've always believed in the power of working together. that's why, when every connection counts... you can count on us.

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lou: breaking news, a new report revealing details of an alleged whistleblower who claims the treasury department regularly and frequently spied on general michael flynn from as early as december of 2015. neil mccabe of the ohio star reports a whistleblower and her colleague were convinced that spying on flynn was flatly political. paul manafort, members of congress, members of the trump family all under surveillance, if you prefer. and a former whistleblower complaint was made in march 2017 to acting treasury inspector general richard delmar, the obama holdover, however, never followed up with the whistleblower. he remains in that pose today. he did nothing, claims the whistleblower, for three years. and a new report from john solomon and "just the news"

shedding light on a may 2013 memorandum of to understanding by the public company accounting oversight board conceding china doesn't have to play by the same rules that apply to american companies listed on u.s. stock and bond markets. that deal was made within two years of former vice president joe biden saying in 2011 a rising china is, quote: positive development. in august 2011 biden hosted then-china vice president xi jinping in which xi called on the obama administration to, quote: eliminate the interferences of trade and investment protectionism. biden wrote a new york times op-ed entitled, "china's rise isn't our demise." do you get it? it rhymes. quote: some here and in the region see china's growth as a threat, entertaining visions of a cold war-style rivalry or great power confrontation.

some chinese worry our aim in the asia-pacific is to contain china's rise. i reject these views, wrote biden. joining us tonight is john solomon, award-winning investigative reporter, editor-in-chief of "just the news." i have to believe that biden and his campaign staff kind of wish that those documents hadn't been found by john solomon -- [laughter] what do you think? >> yeah, i think that's probably true because it reminds us all of just how far off their calculation was on china and the real consequences of it, right? it's one thing to say, hey, china's going to be our friend and have great rhetoric and write a nice op-ed. it's another thing when you allow the chinese companies to come into this market, allow american investors to invest in them and then not give those american investors the same protections that they would have from an american company. how did that happen? during the obama/are biden years, they executed agreement that said, hey, china, your

companies can enjoy all the benefits of the stock market, but they don't have to comply with sarbanes-oxley are, but we'd like you to share some documents on audit so we can give some visibility. china signed that deal, for seven years they didn't comply and we let them walk. what happened? they defraud our investors, they file fake reports, our american money dollars go there and we get defrauded. that's all on the obama/biden legacy. lou: also on the new york stock exchange and the other exchanges or who are allowing the pretext of we'll secure markets in the world -- the most secure markets in the world and giving that to chinese companies. it's a fraud and it's a massive one. and it's only driven by one thing and one thing only, that's pure, outright greed. and how foolish does biden look. he a had great company though -- he had great company though.

three consecutive administrations kowtowing to the chinese in ways unthinkable. it's extraordinary. i want to turn to susan rice and the declassification by ndi, ric grenell. he's, by the way, he's making quick work of all of this nonsense, isn't he? >> [inaudible] lou: this man is, he's a hero. what we find in that declassified e-mail in that january 25th meeting president obama asking comey basically if he was saying the nsc shouldn't pass sensitive information to the new national security adviser, general flynn. and comey, you can almost hear comey saying it pond rousely, well, we haven't caught him spying for the russians yet. >> yep. lou: i mean, he is -- what a pathetic figure. the inyou went doe in his response -- innuendo in his response. everything was he's not guilty

yet. your thoughts. >> it's a remarkable memo. first, it's written as susan rice is going out the door, and it's a cya memo, let's be honest. she's papering up what was a controversial moment in the final two weeks of the obama administration. why is it controversial? they all know mike flynn hasn't done anything wrong. comey says directly in the meeting, we have no evidence he's leaking to the russians. what are they concerned about? they don't like that donald trump won the election, and he might change the relationship with russia, china, iran, and they're trying to figure out ways and concoct ways they can thwart the new president from being successful, thwart the american people who put that president into office. this had nothing to do with counterintelligence threats or criminality. it had to do with politics and the inability of the obama/biden administration to accept they got beat at the polls by donald trump. lou: and i want to turn to, very quickly, what do you make of "the ohio star" reporting on the whistle blower in the treasury

department saying that the treasury department itself was spying on general flynn and the trump family, for crying out loud, and others? your reaction. >> there's a little piece of the puzzle here. if you remember about a yearing ago, the justice department indicted a treasury department employee for leaking suspicious activity reports, those treasury reports to the news media. i think this is a part of that. i don't get a sense that the inspector general or the office of special counsel, not the robert mueller one, but the other office of special counsel, that they took this very seriously, did a lot of activity. but there is clear ed that people were taking advantage of these reports and trying to get them to the media to try to continue the fake narrative that was russia collusion. lou: and your reporting on china cheating at sarbanes-oxley and every other regulation and taking advantage of u.s. policymakers in our equity markets and bond markets, your

thoughts as you take a close look at that and compare it to current tensions between the two countries. >> well, you and larry just discussed in the earlier segment one bold action that the president took just last week or a couple of weeks after we did a story in "just the news," by the way. we highlighted pension activity, and the president immediately -- okay, in my story we're going to talk about what's next for president trump. lou: and that story will be in just the news.com. thank you very much, john, we appreciate it. up next, fbi director christopher wray stonewalling again. lindsey graham though, he's involved in the story. stay with us, we'll be right back with - i'm norm. - i'm szasz. [norm] and we live in columbia, missouri. we do consulting, but we also write. [szasz] we take care of ourselves constantly; it's important. we walk three to five times a week,

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knell has done more in the past three weeks than christopher wray and lindsey graham have done in the past three years. senate judiciary committee chairman graham wants grenell and bill barr to release the names of those who requested to una mask trump, members of his family, members of his campaign after the 2016 election. graham also set a june 4th committee vote to subpoena those behind obamagate except, of course, for president obama and former vice president joe biden. graham wants to release a public report before the election in 2020, but we've heard all of this nonsense from the senator for over a year and a half here. joining us now, congressman doug collins, ranking member of the house judiciary committee, republican candidate for the senate in georgia. and i have to say, congressman, listening to lindsey graham is, it's just, it's pitiful.

he was going to investigate the investigators, he's always got a little quick, glib response, and everything he says amounts to nothing more than hot air. are we going to ever get any kind of investigation out of the judiciary committee in the senate? >> well, it's time for one, and i think we will. but the interesting thing here, lou, if we don't -- it's playing out before our eyes right now because of the work we've done in the house and also the work with sidney powell and john solomon and others have done, sara carter -- lou: judicial watch. >> and judicial watch, tom fitton. we've seen this play out in the oval office. this went into obama's oval office. where is the mainstream media? where are they crying out? why would this be in the obama oval office when they're trying to trip up and to catch the president coming in? this is just wrong. they were out after donald trump from day one, and we're seeing

it -- this rice memo's terrible. lou: do you see a pattern here for the republicans? the little darlings don't want to even think about if president obama and vice president biden were directing this, this assault on the president of the united states? they don't want to even think about it. we'll just let that go. i mean, what in the hell do republicans think? i mean, do they think this is a game? do they think this was just a hoax? that was the word used by a lot of people, hoax and witch hunt. you know, that sounds kind of tame and de minimis, doesn't it? it was a damned attempt to overthrow the president of the united states, and republicans sit there on their hands -- well, one hand and they're sucking their thumb with the other while they are getting the hell beat out of them by the democratic radical dems and the deep state. anybody gonna wake up? >> no.

it's waking up time. many of us have been talking about this, lou. that's why i've been on here. nuñes and jordan and meadows, we've been fighting this. obama knew what was going on. he knew what was going on in the clinton investigation. he used her as a puppet to get clinton off of the e-mail scandal and direct that when they went right into the russia scandal. he knew what was going on it appears now all through this investigation, and then you have this deputized group of a band of bandits, comey and page and mccabe and strzok who all were around there saying let's keep this open because we can get at him this way. and comey with that smug grin of his, we're going to keep it because i know i can get into it. joe biden better stay in the basement because if he wants to explain why he was unmasking people, i want to be the first to ask. lou: well, georgia's got a great

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♪ lou: kevin mayer, an american in charge of disney plus, remarkable success, is now the ceo of the chinese video app tiktok. a federal panel launched a national security review of it back in november because of ties to communist china. a spokesperson telling "the new york times"es: tiktok was not owned by a beijing-based company, no! instead its parent company is incorporated in the cayman islands. though he couldn't say how many people are actually based there. the next paragraph in the article says, quote: mr. mayer will remain at his current home in los angeles though he will travel frequently to headquarters -- [laughter] in beijing. does that look like a tax scam to you or perhaps an espionage scam? some kind of scam? well, there are growing concerns about china's huawei still and their role in future 5g networks around the world despite the trumped a managers having

designated -- administration having designated them as a national security threat. our research shows that at least five nations including the united states have banned huawei from their future 5g networks. however, at least ten countries remain undecided, nine have decided to use huawei technologies despite warnings from the united states about chinese espionage. and recent numbers show china has outspent the united states by $24 billion in the 5g race. huawei alone has invested $15 billion plus on research and development. cisco, for comparison, spent just $6 billion. so what's the united states doing about it? the commerce department recently placed export controls on semiconductor technology for huawei but then exempted equipment and software shipped within the next four months. that's national security, but it's apparently not urgent national security. the state department also extended waivers last week for

mostly rural american telecom companies to use huawei technology for, yes, you got it, another 90 days, then we'll make up our minds, apparently. and an update tonight on the wuhan views. almost five million people around the world contracting the virus, and the wuhan virus has now killed 322,000 people around the world. in the united states, more than 1.5 million infected by that virus which has killed more than 91,000 americans. well, joining us tonight is dr. michael pillsbury, director of the center for chinese strategy at the hudson institute, author of "the hundred-year marathon," which we recommend to you highly. mike, let's start with sanctions of huawei. are they working? they don't seem to be. >> no, they're not working, lou. in too many countries that should have easily joined us such as great britain with a

total ban on huawei have not even listened to us. so as you say, the question of urgency seems to be in what the president himself says. he sees it as an urgent matter. he's frequently, lou, talked about china is almost about to surpass us. except for his presidency, china would be surpassing us now. but the rest of the administration you will not find saying that kind of thing. and, certainly, vice president biden and obama, they've never spoken that china's about to surpass us. they kind of belittled china as not a threat, even kind of a friend. so i agree with you, there's not a sense of urgency about huawei, and i think so far we're losing. we need better tactics to implement the president's vision. we've got to stop china from surpassing us. lou: and 5g, which was an important, an important contest just over a year ago.

that no way would the united states be beaten by china, for crying out loud. at&t was going to storm into the picture and do great things. and we find out now that china has a substantial lead in 5g around the world, perhaps even in this country for all i know. it's stunning what i am, what i'm looking at here when i think about the discussions just over a year ago about how strong we were going to be on 5g. ajit pai, the head of the fcc, was on this show, you know, raising his fists and saying here we go. and all we've heard is just air running out of that particular balloon. >> yes, it's been hollow words. china makes no secret of their progress in huawei. they publish the number of stations they've now exported around the world, how many at home, the per capita figures. they're pulling ahead in 5g and frankly, lou, this is part of a

a larger narrative i see from the chinese over the past month or so. it's a kind of arrogance or smugness that, yes, yo wrote a book on the hundred-year marathon and we are run winning ahead of schedule. they're cocky about 5g that they are pulling ahead of the united states right now as we speak. the president was right to warn -- lou: and -- well, the president has been right on china all along. long before he was candidate, as a candidate and certainly as president. where would we be if he had not been elected in 2016? perish the thought. this is also, though, an administration that seems -- talking to larry kudlow earlier, said this is not a punishment president. [laughter] if we are not to punish now with 100,000 americans, we know that that number will be, in fact,

surpassed. but as a result of this contagion, the deadly acts that they have taken to hurt this country and, indeed, injure the world are reprehensible. and when -- you know, i'm just stunned to hear the president be quoted saying that. >> well, larry and i don't have the same views on china. i think we respect each other's views, but i think larry's been quite articulate that he's a free grader, and he wants -- free trader, and he wants to get back to free trade with china. he feels they've engaged in some wrongdoing, but he's sort of optimistic we can get back to the old ways with china, and i think that's just a mortal threat -- lou: does he know who the hell he works for, michael? this president has pointed out rigorously, vigorously that free trade and 50 consecutive years of trade deficits and budget deficits are dead. he is about restoring prosperity. he achieved it once, he's going

to haved to do it again, and he will. but this nonsense about free trade? where do they think? i mean, i can't even imagine listening to that kind of claptrap about going back to the past. >> well, larry does a good job as a booster for the economy. and explaining how this is a fantastic economy, the best in world history. but i wish he'd leave china policy up to the president and just stick with economic policy. that's what he's director of. he's not head of the national security council the way robert o'brien is, but sometimes they have to cooperate and write joint letters to get things done, lou. so i'm still working on larry, and i hope you do too. he's got to be brought around to the president's view on china and not his own private view. lou: oh, i think he's fallen into bad company, don't you, at wall street along the ways. he's a great american -- [laughter] but some, keeps some bad

company. >> uh-oh, that's poll rating -- [laughter] lou: you take care. good to have you with us, thanks so much. michael pillsbury. well, on wall street stocks today moved lower. the dow jones industrials fell almost 400 points. the s&p lost 31 is, nasdaq down 50. volume on the big board, a 5.1 billion shares. things were going around swimmingly until the final hour of trading. crude oil up more than 1.5% at $32.36 a barrel. and a reminder to listen to my report three times a day coast to coast on the salem radio network. up next, the parallels between general michael flynn's case and the one against former trump campaign adviser roger stone. who's going to make that comparison? el -- well, let's find out from roger stone himself. he joins us next. stay with us.

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lou: joining us tonight is former trump campaign adviser roger stone. and, roger, good to have you on the broadcast. i know there's some -- i want to talk about some of the similarities as well as where you stand in the court process as your case is being adjudicated on appeal.

your with sense of the comparison -- compare for us, if you will, your case and general flynn and how they match up. >> well, lou, thanks for having me. first of all, i guess i would say both general flynn, who i consider a great american patriot, and i are the subjects of a political vendetta, of a politically-motivated prosecution by politically-oriented prosecutors. we were both subject to misconduct by the fbi. the fbi obviously set general flynn up. they attempted to set me up in may of 2016. i was approached by a man claiming his name was henry greenberg who offered to el me dirt on -- sell me dirt on hillary clinton for a mere $2 million. i dismissed it out of hand only to learn later that henry greenberg was a long-time not only a russian national, but an

fbi informant who was only in the country on an fbi informant's visa. and a visa that was signed by the miami office of the fbi, had been extended on nine separate occasions. robert mueller would kind of air brush this in his report and never even mentioned that henry between berg's real name was -- [inaudible] and that he was in the country as a longtime fbi informant. lou: it sounds like the fbi was colluding with russians. we'll continue with roger stone. we'll get his sense as to why did robert mueller go after him well after he knew there was no russian collusion whatsoever with the trump administration. roger stone and i will be right back. stay with us. ♪ muck usaa was made for right now. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance.

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♪. lou: we're back with roger stone. roger, do you think you were targeted by mueller specifically to get dirt to put you under pressure to get dirt on president trump? >> there is no question whatsoever. after illegal leaks over a year saying i would be charged with treason and conspiracy against the united states, being the link between the trump campaign and russia, they indicted me on the flimsiness charges of lying

to congress even though there was no underlying crime for me to lie about. in july of 2019, member of mueller's dirt cops squad approached my lawyers and a deal. if stone woe reremember 36 phone calls i had with candidate trump and admit they were about trump and wikileaks they would be willing to perhaps recommend no jail time. and i said no. this president needs to be reelected lou. greatest president in my lifetime. i would never give false testimony against him. lou: you're right about that. roger, come back, we want to fill out the story. there are a lot of details we need to go through. it is good to have you. thank you for being with us tonight and, we'll talk soon. gordon chang, kt mcfarland among our guests here tomorrow evening. a reminder to follow me on twitter @loudobbs and like me on facebook, follow me on instagram

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