it, i hoped it would happen today, but the weather did not cooperate. that said, we learned a lot, and melissa and i will see you again tomorrow same time with "after the bell." thanks for joining us as always. "lou dobbs tonight" starts right now. see you tomorrow. ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. what would have been an historic day for america put on hold for at least another few days. spacex just moments ago forced to scrub the launch of their falcon 9 rocket from cape canaveral because of bad weather including a nearby tornado watch. the launch had been set to end u.s. dependence on foreign nations, principally russia, to send our astronauts into space. a ten-year dependency. president trump, the first lady, vice president pence all in attendance at cape canaveral in hopes that the launch would take place, but stormy weather denying the crew enough time to

load the liquid oxygen into the booster rockets. spacex will try again saturday afternoon, 3:22 eastern time. before leaving for florida this morning, president trump took direct aim at big tech in this country. president trump is threatening to regulate, to even close down some social media platforms that he says are silencing conservative voices, and the evidence is on his side. the president is angry and, in my opinion, justifiably so. president trump's warning comes only hours after twitter slapped a fact check warning on two of his tweets about potential fraud involving early mail-in ballots. the warning linking to fact checkers at left-wing, fake news organizations if you can imagine this, cnn, "the washington post" who say the president's claims are false.

so we have fake news claims about the president's assertions on twitter. twitter, however, chose not to disclose that it is an active and premier partner, excuse me, of vote early day 2020. it's an organization, an advocacy group pushing early voting -- that's right, exact ily what the president opposed -- and vote by mail. president trump is now accusing twitter of election interference and stifling free speech. his own. imagine, interfering with the president's free speech rights. twitter has now shown, he tweets, that everything we've been saying about them and their other compatriots is correct. big action to follow. big action was taken today by the trump administration against the communist chinese party. secretary of state pompeo

notifying congress that hong kong is no longer i autonomous and no longer warrants special treatment under u.s. law. this as riot police in hong kong took a zero tolerance approach to new demonstrations on the streets. our own susan lee with more now from new york. susan? >> reporter: lou, running street ballots return in hong kong as the secretary of state mike pompeo says that hong kong no longer -- is no longer independent. a controversial national security bill, if passed, beijing with would be able to write security laws for hong kong without input from the city, a move that many residents say would be the end of hong kong as we know it. over 300 arrested, clashes taking place between protesters and police in several of the main districts. secretary of state pompeo has alerted congress saying after careful study of developments over the reporting period, i certified to congress today that hong kong does not continue to warrant treatment under united

states law in the same american. now remember that this was the underlying requirement in the hong kong human rights and democracy act that was passioned by congress -- passed by congress and signed by president trump last year. if beijing was deemed to be enroaching on autonomy -- encroaching, they had a slate of tools including sanctions, penalties and revoking visas. >> well, there's a whole menu of potential things that he could do, and i'm sure they're working right now on exactly how to refine the thinking and come up with something that's an appropriate response. >> reporter: now, speaking of response, china's propaganda arm, "the global times," tweeting about the u.s. response and the actions they may take. they say if washington brashly takes actions over hong kong, it could accelerate u.s. decoupling with the rest of the world and pare the vast interests -- impair the vast interests of businesses in the city. though china hasn't a passed the

national security law just yet, it is expected to, and then we'll see what the president decides to do. lou? lou: susan, thank you very much. in short, there's not much, it appears that the administration can do. the communist chinese party is spinning a new narrative about the origins now of the wuhan virus. chinese state media saying the seafood market in wuhan may not be the origin of the virus after all. scientists reportedly have discovered a new group of early virus patients in shanghai that had no previous known connection to the market. ore chinese officials -- other chinese officials are also spinning up satisfactories, maintaining -- stories, maintaining that the virus did not originate in the wuhan institute of virology, but they have yet to say exactly where it did come from or even that it originated in china. the chinese lies continue. their disinformation and

propaganda campaign only intensifies. a canadian judge today saying the u.s. extradition case against a huawei's chief financial officer may continue. the judge found the case meets the threshold of double criminality meaning the charges against her are crimes in both the united states and canada. the trump administration wants her to stand trial on charges linked to violations of u.s. sanctions against iran. well, joining us tonight to take all of this up is gordon chang, columnist, author, senior fellow at the gatestone institute. gordon, let's start with listening to wilbur ross, the secretary of commerce, talk rather gently a around the answer which is seemingly that the united states has very little it can do about hong kong. your thoughts. >> we have a lot we can do about hong kong. and it's not just revocking the

sanctions -- revoking the sanction waivers and the tariff waivers, i think we should look at hong kong in the context of china, of course. it's across the board. so our response should be across the board. and, of course, our response on hong kong will be part of that. so we should be looking at trade prohibitions, investment prohibitions, all the rest of this. lou: okay. all the rest of this, i'm -- i don't still understand what action we can take that will change the outcome in hong kong based on what you talked about as broad options. or what are they? what specificity? what is the penalty that would be exacted on china? >> well, you're right that we can't stop the passage of the article or 23 national security legislation, but, you know, we have all sorts of tools to get u.s. companies out of china. so first, since the president can use his broad authorities under the international emergencies economic powers act

of 1977, and that means that he could force companies effectively off chinese soil, and we could stop investment into china. also he could get companies like google to end their partnerships with basically the chinese military on things like artificial intelligence. lou: the question becomes 100,000 americans killed by the virus that originated in wuhan, hubei province, china, and president xi chose not to warn anyone in the world of the deadly contagion that they had unleashed. what -- why would we be waiting to tell our companies to get out? why would we be waiting to say this is an outrage against america and our national interest? why would we not have already done so? >> yeah, we should have -- lou: because that is a greater crime -- unfortunately, i'm saying to you, gordon, that is a greater crime against america than what is being done in hong

kong. as outrageous as it is. >> well, you're absolutely right, lou, and we should be doing something immediately. and it was worse than xi jinping not saying anything about human-to-human transmissibility. for a period of about five weeks, the chinese leaders actually deliberately lied about the contagiousness of this disease. and at the same time, they pressured countries to accept arrivals from china, not to impose those quarantines and restrictions. and you put those two actions -- lou: the -- [inaudible] yeah. >> you put those -- lou: to put a finer point of it, what we're really saying is the chinese government sent their nationals who were sick is and had been likely contaminated on international flight as they were shutting down domestic flights within china. the evidence speaks for itself. the decisions speak for themselves. it was an outrage against the world. >> and it was measure -- more

than just the mass world wide killing that president trump talked about, it actually is akin to murder. so we have 100,000 americans dead, and we cannot forget this. and, by the way, lou, we've got to deter chinese leaders from doing this again because this is not the last pathogen that's going to be generated on chinese soil. virologists actually this last week said there's going to be more of these outbreaks which means we've got to make sure that we protect ourselves. and because chinese communism is unreform bl, the only way to protect ourselves is to reduce our exposure to china which means no trade, no investment, no tech partnerships, no nothing. lou: and do you believe that the trump administration is responding proportionally and correctly in this crisis? >> i think the trump administration is moving as fast as popular opinion will let it. i believe, though, that we

should be moving faster -- lou: those are damning words, gordon. those are damning words. this president is not a politician. he is, arguably, the greatest president in our history, and and you're telling me that he's waiting on popular opinion? to make decisions about national security and the national interest? >> he's moving faster than any president before him, and that's important. because right -- lou: no president before him n all fairness, had 100,000 americans dead as a result of the action of the communist chinese government, did they? >> no, they didn't. and we americans have yet to come to the conclusion that this was deliberate murder. but president trump has been leaning -- lou: well, what else could you call it? >> i believe it's mass murder. because this was deliberate. when you hook at the actions of the -- look at the actions of the -- we, of course, don't know what was in xi jinping's mind,

but if after -- lou: who cares what have in his mind? who cares what was in his mind? he made a conscious decision not to warn the world of the deadly contagion that the chinese had unleashed. what more do you need to know? >> he lied. it was more than just not telling the world, he lied. and what i'm saying, lou -- lou: well, any one of them is enough. >> absolutely. this was murder. lou: gordon chang, good to have you with us. good to see you. on wall street today, stocks rallied. the dow up 553 points despite rising tensions between the united states and the communist chinese. the s&p up 44 points, the nasdaq gained 72. volume on the big boarksd 6.4 billion shares. and crude oil down more than 4% to $32.82 a barrel. a reminder to listen to my reports three times a day coast to coast on the salem radio network. up next, former deputy

attorney general rod rosenstein about to become a very important witness in obamagate. we take that up and more with congressman jim jordan. he joins us here next as we take up twitter's established, rampant anti-trump bias and the silicon valley billionaires who want nothing more than to just help out poor sleepy joe biden. sara carter with those stories and more right after these quick messages. please stay with us.

♪ ♪ lou: breaking news now, a number of republican senators, rinos all, writing to president trump today urging him not to restrict temporary work visas which they say will actually help the economic recovery. that is to say they are rinos, they know nothing about economics, and they're willing to lie to the president of the united states. here they are: lindsey graham, john cornyn, mike crapo, james risch, mike if rounds, todd young, lisa murkowski, dan sullivan and james lankford.

these senators know nothing about economics, they know nothing about the american people when almost 40 million american workers are unemployed within the last nine weeks alone, and these, these conscienceless senators have the temerity to write to the president asking them to bring in more foreign workers. the unemployment rate at 15%, and i want to challenge any of these senators to come off the their shadows, step into our cameras and debate me on this issue if you have any integrity, any guts whatsoever. and i doubt very seriously that a single one of them will do so. they're appalling, each and every one of them. well, breaking news tonight, tech billionaires, well, they're spending big money because that's their way. after all, they're billionaires. they want to help joe biden catch up with president trump on

his digital campaigning. they include these big tech folks, linkedin founder reed hoffman, facebook's cofounder, and former google ceo, of course, eric. >> michigan all, all wanting to help out sleepy joe -- eric. schmidt. well, the twitter board has a history of making anti-trump comments, his name is yoel roth. he's tweeted in the past that there are, quote: actual nazis in the white house. end quote. and, quote: i'm just saying, we fly over those states that voted for a reese's tangerine for a reason. end quote. and these -- this is just incredible. joining us tonight to take this

up, sara carter, she's investigative reporter, fox business contributor. sara, great to have you with us. >> good to be with you, lou, thank you. lou: it's not -- it's obviously not decency, and it's sure as hell not neutrality or objectivity. >> no, absolutely not. you're 100% right. his own tweets that were never fact checked, by the way, by twitter, complete lies, absolutely politically biased. he obviously hates trump, he hates the trump administration, and we' this consistently -- we see this consistently that there's this bias on twitter, lou, and on facebook and other media platforms like google. i've talked to insiders before that have said we know it's happening, we've, you know, we've reported on it, there have been whistleblowers. and unfortunately what we're seeing is these high-tech companies with a lot of power basically putting themselves into the middle of the election. now, with twitter and facebook, they actually said in the

beginning, look, we need to stop fake news because of what happened with russia. but actually, they've invested more in getting involved in the election than we've seen from other countries. for example, they did this to president trump, right? as far as, like, fact checking his tweets about mail-in ballot, they've never done that to china, they have never done this to iran, they have never done this to turkey. when they put out these false tweets basically targeting individuals and people, we saw that in iran with us israel saying that israel should be taken off the map. but twitter never fact checked them. so there's a serious problem here, and i think president trump is right. we need to look into this, we need a white house panel to investigate this, and we need to hold twitter and facebook accountable. because they're actually preferencing the democrats in the upcoming election are. lou: this is, this is an outrage, an absolute outrage. the president has every right to be furious. and, by the way, i'm not a fan

of further investigation. this is on its faces what it is. i thought donald trump jr. got it exactly right with a tweet. this is what he, he tweeted: so is@twitter going to start censor oring and fact checking all the numerous blue check mark journalists and left-wing activists who falsely claimed that the trump campaign colluded with the russian government and that @real donald trump a puppet of putin for the past four years? sara, your thoughts. >> right. well, donald trump jr. is 100% right. how many stories have been out there that basically call out -- this is supposedly from "the new york times"es, washington post -- supposedly trustworthy news sources, right? for the last three of that years to four years have been pushing stories that president trump is the manchurian candidate, that he's actually connected to russia. false on their face, false on their face. they've never once retracted these stories, is and twitter

has never corrected them. so donald trump jr. absolutely right when he's doing this. lou: but you know what i hope we don't fall into, and it's one of the few times i would argue with you about anything, but this idea of invest investigations. we -- investigations. we know what they are, we know what they're doing -- >> right. lou: -- they have very public records, and they should be brought to heel. they're not news organizations, they are at best carriers, and it really must, it really that to stop -- has to stop now. this is not something that can wait until after the election. it's just got to be dealt with. and, frankly, dempsey and his crew are a bunch of left-wing film in the blanks, if you will. [laughter] sara, i appreciate growing being here. we've got a lot of work to do in this country to straight then out big tech, but it is -- there's going to have to be a

reckoning. i thought brad par scale was going to do that a couple years ago, i guess he didn't get around to it. sara carter, thank you so much. share your commentses and follow me on twitter @loudobbs like me on facebook, follow me on instagram @loudobbstonight. and dr. michael pillsbury, investigative journalist john solomon among our guests here tomorrow evening. please be with us for that. and coming up here next tonight, president trump says it's time to bring our soldiers in afghanistan home. we take that up and much more. former trump deputy national security adviser kt mcfarland with us. we'll be right back. muck. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ lou: white house national security adviser robert o'brien dramatically cutting the size of the national security council staff.

o'brien doing what he said he would do when he took the job, he expects that only 105 staffers by the end of summer. that's more than half of the 240 staffers who worked at the nsc under president obama. women will also make up half of nsc's senior leadership for the first time in history. u.s. troops in afghanistan could be back home before the upcoming november election. top military officials telling us that the president has given them orders to create numerous plans to withdraw all of our troops in afghanistan. there are currently fewer than 12,000 troops there, and the president wants them all home. joining us tonight is kt mcfarland, former deputy national security adviser to president trump, author of the book "revolution: trump, washington and we the people." we recommend the book to you highly and commend kt as always

for the book and a flight to have you with us, kt. the first -- robert o'brien cutting half the staff, he said he was going to streamline it, and he has done precisely that. what is the effect of doing so? >> well, i talked to him today actually, lou, about this and other topic, and he's very happy to have finally been able to do it. he's also, as you point out, he's very happy that the women on the staff a make up 50% of the senior positions, and they're there on merit, not on tokenism. i think what it'll allow him to do really respond and give president trump the kind of national security council he needs. for the first year or two of the administration, i'm sorry to say that the national security council was working at odds or many of the people were working at odds with the president's agenda. they thought president trump should work for them and that theald set the agenda, not the other way around. and with robert -- lou: or work for president obama. >> oh, sorry, they worked for president obama, right. they were the obama holdovers.

they certainly didn't think that they should have to be working for president trump. well, anyway, now president trump has the national security council he needs which is very good because, you know, every president should have a national security council that suits his needs. president trump, unlike a lot of other presidents, he makes the decisions himself. he doesn't just pick option one, two or three that are sort of spoon fed him by the bureaucracy. is so i think now he's got the right people in the right places, and i do think that american foreign policy and national security policy will really quickly be able to implement president trump's objectives. lou: give us your sense though the -- what is being projected from the white house right now. because there is an incredible, i think an unprecedented number of crises that are contemporaneous, whether it is the wuhan virus, whether it is an intense disinformation and propaganda campaign by one of the principal powers of the

world, and that is china. at the same time, taking over hong kong because that's what it is, we all know it, and we all might as well use plain english when we say it. and there is here president that needs as much counsel, as much help and support as he possibly can get. we are not necessarily hearing that there is some sort of a perfect equivalency between taking the rights away from the citizens of hong kong and the loss of 100,000 american lives. but we're not hearing that there will be a reckoning and an accounting and retribution for killing americans consciously and doing so with absolute impunity. >> you know, one of the things i did talk to robert o'brien about

today was china. and he said that watch in the next -- in the coming days, days and coming weeks that they're starting to roll out a policy, a comprehensive policy of dealing with china. just today secretary of state pompeo designated hong kong as no longer an independent country, so it has economic effects and trading effects and financial investment effects on hong kong which will hurt china. the second thing though is -- but i think president trump unlike the past two presidents, unlike the entire washington establishment who for 20 years put china's interests first and america's interests second and in promoting china's interests it was not at the the expense of america's interests. i think president trump has changed the direction of american foreign policy. he's standing tough and standing tall against china. he did from the beginning, and i think that the coronavirus has really, it really is wake-up call. i mean, not to president trump. he already knew there was a

problem -- lou: you call it a coronavirus. the president called it the that virus. -- china virus. he called it the wuhan virus. and even the chinese called it the wuhan virus, but we just heard you say coronavirus -- [laughter] and we haven't heard the president use the expression china virus. whether it's ebola, whether it's -- you name the virus, they're nearly all named for places. but suddenly it's politically un-- incorrect to call this wuhan virus. i am tired, i am tired of thought control in the form of correct language. this is what it is, and americans have been plain spoken, no one more plain spoken that this president. it disturbs me to see any retreat from that vivid and straightforward expression on the part of the white house. >> well, you know, i think that you've got a point in the sense of what are we calling it

because words do matter. but when i look at what president trump is doing, i think that the deeds that he's doing are really significant. you know, in washington everybody says everything. they don't really mean anything, and they really never follow through with what they're talking about and promising. and i think that president trump has really been very different in that regard. lou: but -- >> yeah. lou: well, let's conclude with a question and an answer. >> yeah? lou: is xi jinping and the communist chinese government responsible for the deathses of 100,000 americans -- deaths of 100,000 mesheses? >> not only 100,000 americans, but people all around the world. the chinese used -- lou: i'm going to be parochial, if i may, kt -- >> yeah, sure. lou: it is, in your judgment with, murder. i think so too. i think it's odd that -- [inaudible conversations] >> and they're trying to kill the american economy. lou: you know, kt, that's why you're welcome on this broadcast

every day. we appreciate your straightforward -- [laughter] insight and, by the way, succinct answers as well from time to time. [laughter] kt, thank you so much. >> thanks very much, lou. lou: up next, what -- you bet. good to see you. what will we learn if rod rosenstein about obamagate? congressman jim jordan joins us this evening on that and much more. please stay with us. so you only pay for what you need! [squawks] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ why accept it frompt an incompyour allergy pills?e else. flonase sensimist. nothing stronger. nothing gentler. nothing lasts longer. flonase sensimist. 24 hour non-drowsy allergy relief and my side super soft? yes, with the sleep number 360 smart bed, on sale now,

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lou: breaking news now, lindsey graham finally taking long-promised action to investigate the radical dem' efforts to overthrow president trump. the senate judiciary committee chairman announcing that former deputy attorney general rod rosenstein will testify next wednesday, that's june 3rd. the hearing will take place one day before the committee votes on subpoena authorizations to compel more witnesses. and here we go. house speaker nancy pelosi moving ahead with a house vote tonight to reauthorize three expired surveillance programs, but it may have some trouble getting the 218 votes needed now to clear the chamber. partly because president trump urged republicans to oppose the measure tweeting this: i hope all republican house members vote no on fisa until such time as our country is able to

determine how and why the greatest political criminal and subversive scandal in usa history took place. the justice department also weighing in today saying president trump should veto the bill if it passes. but this is an interesting piece of maneuvering on the part of the justice department. congressman jim jordan says he hopes to soon see the transcripts of michael flynn's phone calls with former russian diplomat sergey kislyak, the russian ambassador to the united states. those transcripts were declassified by the outgoing director of national intelligence richard grenell. it's now up to the new intel chief, john ratcliffe, to release those documents. what will happen? well, let's get the best view on that possible. congressman jim jordan joining us tonight. congress bank jordan -- congressman george deny is

ranking member of the house oversight committee, also member of the house judiciary committee. congressman, great to have you with us. let's start with the house vote tonight on this bill. >> yes. lou: this is quite a, quite a spectacle. the president not threatening to veto it, but calling on house republicans not to support it, but he didn't make a position known when you originally voted on the bill. give us some insight here. >> well, here's what's happened, and good to be with you, lou. here's what happened the last two months. back when this first passed in march, since that time look at what we've learned. how they set up michael flynn, with we've got these transcripts that rick grenell got released that show when the whole trump-russia investigation started, there was no basis for the investigation. clapper knew, brennan knew, comey knew there was nothing there. all that has transpired since then. and more importantly, we have the memorandum from inspector

general horowitz who was looking broadly at the fisa now. first he looked at a what they did to carter page, now he's looking broadly at the fisa s if he put out a memorandum on march 30th which said the 29 cases he's looked at, every single one, every single one had major problems. four of them didn't even have the file where you keep the main evidence that is the supporting evidence documentation for what you then take to the fisa court. so 29 american citizens who were spied on, every single one had problems. the president's is simply saying, look, we're not doing it. god bless the president. this is a good product we've got working, but it can get better, and that's what the president wants to see happen. lou: i will second your god bless for this president because of what he has enduredded, all that he's done for the country and then have to is ask the repalins to stop more of the --

republican to stop more of the madness. i don't understand the madness of the justice department, the negative effect of the legislative changes on the department's a ability to spy. they want -- [laughter] they want the president to veto it for an entirely different reason. >> for a different reason, yes. lou: what in hell going on at the justice department, congressman? >> well, look at what the president tweeted just a few hours ago. he said there should be no warrantless searches on american citizens, and amen to that as well. he's lived through it. mr. horowitz has given us the evidence and done the investigations that showed just how bad it is. like the president said, let's get to the bottom of all this before we reauthorize the program that was abused by jim comey's fbi and the intelligence community in the obama administration. lou, think about this: six people in the treasury department were unmasking michael flynn's name. in the treasury department, six different people.

holy cow, what was going on in those last several weeks of the obama administration? we're now beginning to understand how determined they were to go after this president, to cover up their scheme that they had back in their administration. and jim comey was the guy who was going to protect them because he was going into the next administration. and then when he gets fire, bob mueller's going to protect them. but finally we are getting to the details, getting to the facts, and that's why we're holding this up until we get a better product for the president to sign. lou: better product. i like the idea that you don't sign a damn thing. there's no excuse to be spying on americans for any reason, and that crap has a got to end. >> yep. lou: that's just one opinion. we are going to see your opinion on what we're going to learn -- >> the right opinion. [laughter] lou: thank you, sir. we're going to get your opinion on, well, lindsey graham, sort of a, i guess he's an investigator now, and he's going

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lou: foreman acting dni ric grenell setting samantha power straight in one of his last acts. power claiming today senator rubio had sounded the lame about peddling trump conspiracy theorieses and how that does russia's disinformation work somehow. grenell quickly replied: after spending years peddling a russian collusion hoax but under oath admitting you saw nothing, forgive us if we ignore your new so-called warnings. we're joined once again by congressman jim jordan. what do you think of the job ric grenell did as dn initiation. >> amazing. compare three months of with chris wray. i mean, ric grenell got things done, and he's right about sam that powers. -- samantha powers. for goodness sake, they took a dossier to a secret court, a dossier they knew was false, unverified, they knew it was paid for by the clinton

campaign, and they used that to go get a warrant to spy on president trump's campaign, and now they're lecturing us? and james comey tells the president about that dossier that he already knew was false, that he knew was russian disinformation, talks to the president about it so they can leak it and the president will report the fact that he's talked to the president about it. so it -- you can't make this stuff up, but it's just ridiculous what we hear from some of these democrats. lou: ridiculous, tragic and how do the democrats find so many creepy people to aggregate in one place in the swamp? it is just -- it's appalling, it's downright scary -- >> 39 of them unmasked michael flynn. 39 of them unmasking michael flynn's name too. lou: they apparently meant to get it done. >> yeah. lou: rod rosenstein, first witness before the long-awaited senator graham committee, the judiciary committee.

what do you expect to happen? what do -- >> well, i think it's great that lindsay's bringing him in. remember are, rod rosenstein was the guy who was there during that critical time in may of 2017. jim comey gets fired on may 9th, bob mueller gets named special counsel on may 17th. those eight days are critical because we deposed jim baker, the former chief counsel at the fbi, and he told us in that eight-daytime frame the people at the fbi, rod rosenstein was looking to wear a wire to record the president of the united states, to invoke the 25th amendment and remove the president from office, rod rosenstein and andy mccabe and these guys were talking about an obstruction of justice investigation into the president, and what a they ultimately settled on doing was to get bob mueller named as special counsel. and jim comey leaked his memos to create the momentum, and two years later and $30 million and all the subpoenas, everything else they did, they came back with what they already knew,

there was nothing there. so, yeah, i think rod rose stein's a good person to bring in right away, and let's find out what he knows about wearing a wire, what he was doing about the 25th amendment and these other issues in that critical time frame of may of '17. lou: do you get the sense that lindsey graham this time means to actually find something out? because he went more than a year after promising to investigate the investigators, of course, he's immediately ruled out any possible prosecution of president obama or former vice president biden. strange ways to go, buts it is the senate judiciary committee, after all. your thoughts. >> no, i do. you know, they're going to subpoena a number of people. i think that is real important. i keep coming back to this fact, the insurance policy started off as the investigation itself. once the president won the election, i think the insurance policy turned into we've got to make sure michael flynn doesn't stay on as national security adviser in the trump

administration, because he nose about intelligence. he might find out what we did. and jim comey's the guy who's going to protect them. when he gets fired and bob mueller becomes the special come, that becomes the insurance policy. we've got to -- there's a lot of people i think need to talk. to lindsey's going to subpoena them all and hopefully get to the bottom of all of this. lou: congressman, john ratcliffe, you've worked with him, served with him in the congress. >> good man. lou: -- as the dni, do you think that he will do, he will release those transcripts of general flynn that were declassified by ric grenell? >> yeah, i think he will. john ratcliffe's a good man, i think he's going to do the great work that ric grenell started there. i look forward to working with him. i want that transcript between mr. flynn and mr. kislyak, i want the original 302. remember, when peter strzok and pientka try to set up mike

flynn, there are the initial 302 notes of that interview, and then it was changed by peter strzok. i want to see the kislyak-flynn conversation, the original 302, and then i wanted to see the one written and amended by peter strzok. we have asked to get access to that as well from christopher wray, the 3020s, we've also asked to make sure we get a chance to interview mr. by credibility ca at some time. hopefully, we'll be able to get that information. pientka. lou: congressman, great to have you with us. very quickly, we're out of time, but does the vote fail or pass on the fisa reauthorization tonight? >> i think it's going to lose. the vast majority of of us republicans are going to oppose it, and i think it's going to be tough. the other interesting thing i think there are 70 some democrats, lou, who aren't even showing up. they're mailing in to vote. they're phoning it in to a colleague via proxy, so it'll be interesting to see how it all

shakes out here in a few hours. lou: better watch that mail-in vote there in the house -- >> no kidding. lou: a lot of -- [laughter] congressman jim jordan, thanks for for being with us. we'll be right back with much more. stay with us. ♪ ♪ . now is the time for a new bath from bath fitter.

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to launch into space. 3:22 saturday. that is it for us. michael he pillsbury, john solomon will be our guests tomorrow. good night from sussex. elizabeth: just a short time ago what would have been an historic space mission a rocket launch, postponed about 20 minutes before launch from cape canaveral, florida, due to bad weather. it is now rescheduled for this saturday. the president and the first lady will be in taken dance in attendance on saturday. america is reaching for the stars. with us tonight, jack keane, former fbi assistant director danny coulson and fox news political analyst