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mccarthy, how the judge advising on the flynn case set aside and ignored fbi abuses of allegation of perjury traps for michael flynn in their probe. attorney general william barr pointing to glaring holes in fbi rush to judgment on trump russia collusion when there was striking lack of evidence. we have with us fox news contributor deroy murdoch. new and disturbing videos of police brutality. top house republican jim jordan asking for a justice department briefing on antifa. he is slamming the whole defund the police push as quote simply insanity today. this as media pundits are making the case again, they're claiming more money spent on the police versus other social services. we fact check that. we have got the facts. they are wrong. also tonight trump 2020 campaign senior advisor lara trump why joe biden has a tricky path

forward to the 2020 election as democrats demand stricter oversight at the federal level of cops. republican debbie lesko, the house republicanses are unleashing has toric package of sanctions there. this would be the largest package of sanctions aimed straight at iran just as russia and china now flexing their muscles at the u.n., pushing back hard on the trump administration. news on the economy today. the federal reserve projecting no rate increases through 2022, predicting unemployment, that rate will fall to 9.3% by the end of the year. 6.5% drop in gdp. the nasdaq for the first time hitting above 10,000. thanks for joining us. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪.

elizabeth: thanks for joining us. we begin tonight in washington where george floyd's brother testified before a house judiciary hearing on police brutality. this just a day after forge george floyd was buried in texas. grady trimble has the details. grady. reporter: lawmakers on both sides of the oil expressed change for police treatment of black people. most emotional testimony came from the brother of george floyd. he told the house judiciary committee he believes officer derek chauvin were personal and premeditated. >> i'm tired ever pain, pain you feel when you watch something like this. when you watch your big brother you looked up to your whole life die, die begging for his mom? i'm here to ask you to make it stop. stop the pain. stop us from being tired. reporter: meanwhile protests surrounding george floyd's death

have led to the release of new police video involving the deaths of two black men. the first from oklahoma city in 2019, shows police chasing a man they say was armed with handgun. in bodycam video, he resists arrest, you can hear him say i can't breathe. second more recent video took place following a traffic stop. as president trump weighs executive action on police reform. looks more likely federal legislation could come as well. republicans in the senate, led by only african-american republican senator, tim scott, they're drafting a police reform bill, loss long-running tv show "cops" is canceled following outrage directed at law enforcement in the wake of george floyd's death. on the other hand, another popular television show, follows police, "live pd" on a&e, that show will be back for another season. liz? elizabeth: thank you, grady. also this story happening, a

new jersey corrections officer now suspended, a fedex worker also fired for their alleged roles in what officials are call a hateful and disturbing video mocking the death of george floyd. it happened during black lives matter protests in new jersey. also this story, another disturbing an graphic video. four indiana police officers reassigned after this video surfaced of police repeatedly striking a woman with baton during indianapolis protests. they shot the woman with pepper round. local media said she was attacked for breaking curfew. she flynn much and pulled away because a cop grabbed at her chest. buffalo police officers charged with assault as this video went viral of them pushing a 75-year-old man after he approached them during a protest. president trump getting a lot of blow back tweeting the man may be antifa provocateur who was

scanning police equipment when he was pushed. suffering from all of that, a growing number of cities policing to outlaw police neck restraints, carotid restraints. a dozen cities moving to ban that. nationalreview.online contributing editor, deroy murdoch. what happened in indianapolis, why did it take eight to 10 policemen in indianapolis to take down two defenseless women. the one looking five feet tall. the other stood still. critics say this is outrageous. cops don't like it. police officers calling this a disgrace? >> this is perfect example of problem we have in some cases, excessive policing or excessive power on the part of the cops. especially at this time. this is not very good timing on part of companies to be doing this sort of thing, especially all they were doing, violating curfew. that is peaceful violation.

not as if they were holding up a bank or robbing a store. there is some excessive police cases. that is not majority of cases. let's have a serious discussion how we fix this. a non-serious way to handle this, engage in rioting and looting last week. that solves nothing but destroying businesses or jobs. many minority owned businesses, jobs belonging to minorities. this idea of getting rid of police all together. if you're a woman at home, you have restraining order against your ex-boyfriend or ex-husband, you hear the backdoor being broken down and ex-husband or ex-boyfriend coming in to rape you or kill you, you pick up the phone to call 911 and you hear poetry, you get some psychology lesson. people come over to hoped hold hands, not sure for what the approach is. there is need for police when criminals strike. that needs to be done. there at same time there is

serious discussion and problem we have about excess force and excess policing you saw, appeared to see in that case in indianapolis. elizabeth: deroy, your reaction to the top republican on house judiciary, he is jim jordan, seeking a doj briefing on antifa. he did slam the defund the police push as complete insanity. joe biden and bernie sanders say no, don't do that. what was your take on on jumped jordan today? >> i think this effort to look at antifa is absolutely appropriate. people are amazed how quickly the protests turned out into riots across the country. how violent they came. you have reports of mysterious piles of bricks popping up. bricks are thrown through store-front windows that kind of thing. antifa is hardcore, left-wing violent organization. well before this happened this is the same organization that attacked internet journalist andy gno in portland, oregon.

attacked him from covering a an event they did. he beat him so bad he had to go to the hospital because he had cerebral hemorrhage. they beat his head in. this is nasty group. appropriate terrorist organization. department of justice to should talk to members about congress to talk about who this group is and stamp them out. elizabeth: we have more than 700 law enforcement officers injured in the rioting this is keeping minorities safe and talk about better education and more jobs, getting on the same page about the facts is key. we see cnn and msnbc pundits either say or imply that state and local governments now spend more money on police than on housing or education an health. that's not true. state and local governments spend 4% of their budget on policing, versus on 31% on education and 32% on public

welfare. i want to turn to this, deroy. daniel patrick moynihan advised administrations after the riots in the late '60s or '70s, basically said don't politicize rioting and looting as justifying battling income inequality. you are hurting businesses plaque owned businesses, he said hatred and revenge is not acceptable excuse for committing crime because it is corrosive and damaging to the individual doing it. the focus should be on noting the great economic and social strides and progress being made. your reaction to that? >> we just heard i think it was in minneapolis, maybe somewhere else, i believe walmart or cvs, one of those large companies, said we're not coming back. we've had it. you trashed our store. we're out of here. how is that good for people that shopped there? how is that good for people that used to work there. dr. brooks said because of all the rioting, 70, seven, zero, covid-19 test sites were

destroyed as people trashed dug stores and retail outlets and this sort of thing. that is not a good way to fight a pandemic by destroying testing centers. i'm all for peaceful protests. i watched people on my balcony biking up fourth avenue. that is peaceful protests. destroying testing sites at stores, that accomplishes nothing but total destruction. elizabeth: we'll dig into that later in the show. by the way crime is up double digits in new york, san francisco, philadelphia, los angeles, minneapolis. carjackings, assaults even homicides. deroy murdoch. great to have you on. thanks so much for joining us. >> graduate to see you. thank you. elizabeth: special programing note, we are going to dig more into the debate to defund the police. tomorrow, we are bringing on former nypd commissioner howard safir. he will join us tomorrow night. coming up north twist in the michael flynn case, former judge, accuses the president's former national security advisor

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department's motion to dismiss the flynn case says no, don't do it. first up, he also said today that flynn did commit perjury when flynn, first he withdrew his guilty preto lying to the fbi about his contacts with the russian ambassador, then flynn withdrew that to say, no, i'm pleading not guilty. that to him is perjury. the former judge urged the court again accept the justice department motion to drop the case, charge against flynn. keep it going. and now this, we got news coming in. house house judiciary democrats filing their own brief in the flynn case arguing that the justice department's motion to dismiss the flynn case was done, quote to serve the demands of president trump. let's welcome former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, he is andrew mccarthy. andrew, great to have you on. can you break this down for us? >> sure, liz.

i think what we have is something that is about as far afield from the proper role of court that you can get which is in a criminal case the court's main job is to protect the due process rights of the accused and what this has become is a political justification of the mueller investigation and it is about as inappropriate as it gets in terms of use of the court's time but there you have it. that is what we're looking at. elizabeth: you know, sir, it feels, reading through the briefs, it appears that this judge is setting aside the fbi abuses, including alleged perjury trap of michael flynn. to your point he is accepting the trump russia collusion narrative. by the way the mueller probe found no trump russia collusion. the judge said in his brief, a foreign official reported in a may 26th meeting advisor to then candidate trump's campaign

divulged russia contacted the campaign to offer anonymously information damaging to hillary clinton. he is taking that on, accepting that, but not the alleged perjury trap of michael flynn by the fbi. >> yeah. he articulated it liz, even in a way mueller didn't dare do it. it is much more inflated investigation of the record than even the prosecutors tried to sell in their and you're quite right about the judge's and gleason's seeming indifference about the abuses not only of the prosecution tomorrow process but the investigative process. i was a federal prosecutor for a very long time. i never saw a judge get more aggravated than when the government didn't fulfill its obligation, when prosecutors didn't play by the rules and when investigators did things

that were sharp practice during the course of the investigation. it is stunning to me how completely indifferent the court us to this, that is reflected in what gleason filed today. they're not simply not that interested. elizabeth: you know, next up, u.s. attorney john durham's criminal probe into the origins of the trump russia probe, attorney general william barr spoke to fox news's bret baier in exclusive report, he is troubled what he is hearing so far out of that criminal probe. watch this. >> we're trying to get to a point where we can hold accountable anyone who crossed the line and committed a criminal violation. it is very hard to understand why they continued to push and even make public in testimony that they had an investigation going when it was becoming painfully obvious or should have been obvious to anyone, that there was nothing there. for the first time in american history the police organizations

and the national security organizations were used to spy on a campaign. i'm very troubled by what has been called to my attention so far but i'm not going to characterize it. >> what names would we be familiar with? >> some of them. elizabeth: okay. so andrew, let me read this to you. peter strzok, may 2017, sends a text message to lease a page. there is no big there there in the trump russia probe. june 8th, 2017, former fbi director james comey testifies as i said, when i left we did not have an investigation focused on president trump. lisa page testifying on july 2018, they didn't see anything as of may 2017. andrew, so you know, he is saying recognizable names are going to be called in, possibly charged. devin nunes told us 18 criminal referrals are underway. what is your take on this? >> well i think, number one you highlighted the right thing, which many months after they

knew that there was no case, and they acknowledged that there is no case, they're still aggressively investigating, still in the fisa court getting monitoring warrants. i think the attorney general's obviously very troubled by that and the most important thing i think he said to bret was this is first and foremost a criminal investigation. that is to say there may be a narrative report at some point but the first thing they're trying to figure out is were felonies committed and should people be prosecuted for it? elizabeth: we'll have you back on to talk about it. andrew mccarthy, you're terrific. appreciate it, sir. >> thank you, liz, appreciate it. elizabeth: still ahead why joe biden now has a really tricky path forward in the 2020 race as democrats demand stricter federal oversight of cops amid calls to defund the police. we're bringing on trump 2020 campaign senior advisor lara trump.

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tuesday. biden urging the country to use floyd's death as a moment for action to address racism an fight for social justice. biden face as trackky path forward, a balancing act in the 2020 race. biden is now facing scrutiny as author and supporter of the 1994 crime bill. his nearly three decade tough on crime police persona, biden as vice president served as liaison between police and the whiteouts. we have trump campaign senior advisor back to the show, lara trump. great to have you on. >> great to be with you. elizabeth: joe biden says he will not support the defund the police movement. but, lara, he made a lot of tough on crime statements throughout his career. how will this affect the race? >> he says he won't support defunding the police, he has not been very vocal about it at all. it was a very murky statement we

got from a midlevel staffer, with the biden campaign, we don't totally agree with it. he came out, fluffy, i don't know that i agree with that. you have to be very strong whether or not you support defunding the police, liz, if you're running for president of the united states. people need to know where joe biden stands. by the way, we should hear from every single democrat, where do you stand? do you agree with defunding the police? it would be absolute disaster to do this. a lot of americans need to hear more from joe biden and a lot more from the democrats by and large. elizabeth: we hear but the clarity. they need to come out to say whether they're for it or against it. here is the thing the 1994 violent crime control act. it funded thousands of police officers. $10 billion to new prison construction. in 1989, he said he was tired of the idea when it came to crime

republicans were tougher and democrats were weak. watch this. >> i know it is hard to believe, but this very day violent drug offenders will commit more than 100,000 crimes on this day alone! the sad part is, we have no more police on the streets of our major cities than we had 10 years ago. and what the president proposes won't help much. what he proposes is to increase over what the congress has already approved last year. in a nutshell the president's plan doesn't include enough police officers to catch violent thugs, not enough prosecutors to convict them, not enough judges to sentence them and not enough prison cells to put them away for a long time. elizabeth: you know, so, now lara, he is distancing himself from the '94 crime bill. i think he is even reportedly saying he may dial some of it back. your take? >> well maybe he has forgotten

about that along with a lot of things. hopes we all forgot it was less than three weeks ago, he said if you're a black american in this country, and you don't vote for him then you ain't black. he might have have forgotten about all of that, but it was the 1994 clinton crime bill that disproportionately incarcerated young black men in this country by thousands and thousands of americans and it took donald trump to sign the first step act to finally reverse the damage he caused with that. now he has got himself in a really tough spot here because he is losing a lot of support with the police forces out there. if you can't come out and say whether or not you're really for defunding the police or not, i don't know why the police unions would ever support joe biden. he is found himself in pretty tough spot here. i think he has a lot of questions to answer. elizabeth: yeah he says he is for that but we hear what you're saying, he needs to come out and just be really forceful, and get asked by the media about his

position about that. you're take on this. "the washington post" reporting that biden criticized republicans who sought to cut funding to hire 100,000 police officers in the mid '90s but here is the thing. joe biden said of the '94 crime bill, quote, it doesn't matter whether or not they were deprived as youths, as a youth, it doesn't matter whether or not they had no background that enabled them to become socialized into the fabric of society, doesn't matter whether or not they're the victims of society, i want to know what made them do this? they must be taken off the street. so that is quote from joe biden. your take on that? >> well i think if that is the way joe biden felt today i think he would have come out and said it. maybe he has changed his tune on that. i don't really know because we don't really get pressed, by the way to your point, from the media towards joe biden. there is a lot of softball interviews. they tiptoe around the questions but they're very important whenever you're talking about leading a country as to where he

stands on these things now. this is all anyone wants to talk about, is is a very big issue in america right now and again i think joe biden needs to make himself a lot clearer. especially we saw so many of joe biden staffers, liz, supporting bailing out these looters, these rioters, the criminals that were hijacking peaceful protests. they donated to bail people out of jail. can you imagine if the trump campaign had done that? that is kind of crazy. they get a pass on everything. joe biden is getting a pass here. at the trump campaign he would like more answers. elizabeth: lara trump, come back soon, love having you on. great to see you. >> thank you. elizabeth: next up, what we have been reporting happened today. house republicans just unleashed a massive legislative package to deliver the largest sanctions on iran in history. just as russia and china now flexing their muscles at the united nations, pushing back

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♪. elizabeth: what we've been reporting is now happening. today the republican study committee task force on national security and foreign affairs unleashed a massive legislative package proposal aimed at delivering the largest sanctions on iran in history. just as russia and china now flex their muscles at the u.n., pushing back hard on the trump administration. let's welcome republican debbie lesko of arizona. great to have you back on, congresswoman. can you tell us about the new package of sanction proposals? >> i'm a member of the republican study committee and it ace large committee of conservative pubs and so we just want to say iran is a bad actor

and we support president trump's sanctions on iran and support his movement on iran, make sure israel is stays safe which is a huge ally of ours and america stays safe. i supported president trump all along from his withdrawal the iran nuclear deal. it was a bad deal. they were not holding up their side of the bargain. so he was right to get out of it. elizabeth: looks like the package, again, 140 initiatives targeting iran. also tightening the pressure on russia and china to ramp up the action against iran. congresswoman, iran is firing back saying that the u.s. should pay attention instead to issues about racism. your reaction to iran there? >> they should talk aabout racism. they violate human rights all the time and they kill people. so give me a break. i don't want to listen to them. elizabeth: all right. nearly 150 republicans support the new plan.

talk to us about how iran has given aid and comfort to terrorist groups like hamas and hezbollah and al qaeda and the taliban? >> yeah, i went on a tour to israel and saw first-hand and talked to the military in israel how hezbollah is right over the border, the northern border of israel and they can shoot missiles right into israel and destroy israel. this is a real threat. iran is backing them and we need to stand up with our allies israel and fight back against iran. they're just bad actors. elizabeth: you know, congresswoman, russia and china now at the united nations pushing back on the administration asking for snap back sanctions on iran. there is a u.n. embargo on arms and weapons sales in iran expiring in october. so your take on russia and china there pushing back hard? they have got veto powers over at the u.n. your take?

>> you know, i don't think that is a surprise. russia and china are not our friendliest neighbors and so, i think it was expected but you know, we need to push back. iran is a bad actor. they're a dangerous actor in the area and i wish that russia and china would take more attention to what the u.s. interests are but, i'm not surprised quite frankly. elizabeth: all right. congresswoman lesko thanks so much for joining us. come back soon. >> thank you. >> coming up we're going to drill down further into the republican probe and the durham probe on trump russia collusion probe abuses by the, under the obama administration. also the statements from jim comey, peter strzok and lisa page that the fbi knew by early 2017 it did not have a case for trump russia collusion before robert mueller was appointed special counsel anyway. why do democrats and media go

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♪. elizabeth: welcome back. we are staying on attorney general william barr, saying that the fbi took a quote, very aggressive approach in pushing ahead on trump russia collusion even when he says the fbi's evidence was falling apart. let's welcome "the daily caller" editorial director vince coglianese. great to have you on. >> thank you. elizabeth: ag barr was said the fbi was so eager to investigate candidate trump before he won in november 2016. watch this. >> it seemed that the bureau was sort of spring loaded at the end of july to drive in there and investigate a campaign and they, they really wasn't much there to

do that on. and that became more and more evident as they went by. they seemed to ignore exculpatory evidence building up and continued pell-mell to push it forward. that is one area of concern. the other area of concern after the election, eastern though they were closing down some of it as we've seen in the flynn case, there is nothing here. for some reason they went right back at it, even at a time where the evidentiary support or, claimed support like the dossier was falling apart. elizabeth: so vince, what he is saying july 2016, the fbi did not have a predicate, they did not have probable cause to even launch the fbi trump collusion probe. your take on this? >> yeah. they didn't have a good reason to go after a political opponent? that's a big deal. that's third world, actually, when you use levers of government and law enforcement to go after a political campaign

without adequate justification for doing that. seems with every passing story we get about this subject, it increasingly looks bad for the people in the obama administration and those people who abused their power while they were still serving under the trump administration. clearly not serving the president of the united states and the american people who elected him. when bill barr says all of this, the reaction should be we need every answer we possibly can get because that is horrifying. this is not the type of thing that happens in a stable democracy. elizabeth: you know, house and senate republicans, we're staying on this story, vince, we appreciate you coming on, they're investigating why did the fbi go flat-out on trump russia collusion even though they knew by early 2017 they did not have, did not have a case? that was even before special counsel robert mueller was appointed. i will show this again. senior fbi officials, james comey, lisa page, peter strzok knew the evidence wasn't there.

peter strzok texted lisa page in sift set of, there is no there there. comey testified, as i said when i left we did not have a investigation focused on president trump. what is going on here, vince? >> one of the reasons why president trump james comey to ask american public to tell him he was not under investigation. that he confirmed to the president. comey never told us, the american people. that is a big deal. because you can't have a ongoing conspiracy theory that the president of the united states is compromised by a foreign government. you have to put that to bed as soon as you know the truth. government official after government official didn't do that very thing. my impression what they were up to, constantly use a nonsense conspiracy theory as a basis for trying to wrap every single one of these nice up in a -- guys up in process crimes. when you get to mike flynn, you start lying get him to start

lying to fbi agents, that is trying to work your way up to the candidate donald trump. elizabeth: you know the fbi, according to the justs it department inspector general was still doing surveillance on the trump administration after the president took office in january 2017, deep into 2017, the fbi was doing surveillance on a president. your reaction to that? >> yeah. that went all the way to the top. james comey himself was keeping memos of his conversations with the president of the united states investigating the president. liz, we have seen, as all of this has come out, nothing but a constant stream of abuse by the officials that we entrusted with some of the most enormous powers we have in this country. and now, what has happened to all of them? well, by and large, they have been rewarded for that betrayal. as you watch on democratic news networks, so many of these people are contributors, being

paid to comment on the world's events now. it is a sick and twisted demonstration of how out of whack things have gotten. i really hope bill barr can get to the bottom of this. i hope anybody can get to the bottom of this. because the american people deserve so much better. elizabeth: okay. because as we've been reporting on this for three years now, the fbi used opposition research to get fisa wiretaps. that is christopher steele dossier. his own sources were telling the fbi, he is not accurate. and basically, it was treated at internet rumor in the the bib if fbi. steele's own sources said this was hearsay over beers, take it as a grain of salt. a fisa court is supposed to be used to go after terrorist. >> that's right. elizabeth: this secret court was used and misled by the obama administration to go after the trump campaign and the team there.

your final word on that? >> fbi ignored exculpatory information about an american citizen. in fact manipulated and doctored evidence against carter page. they claim he was not a source to the ci. when in fact he was when they went to the court. these are lies built upon lies, designed to go after the civil liberties of american citizens. we need answers and you think we need indictments. >> vince coglianese, come back soon. thanks for coming on. vince coglianese of "the daily caller." >> thank you. elizabeth: we're staying on the story, reports coming in, at least, 70, seven, zero, covid-19 testing sites destroyed in the protests. government officials warning the nation's governors this week, they are worried about a spike in infections and lack of testing capability due to protests. former state department official chiron skinner shares her rererere how they gonna pay for this? they will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident.

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♪ elizabeth: okay. welcome back to this debate. this is about common sense. it is about keeping people safe from covid-19 while protests against racial injustice at that both sides support that has been the debate right now. the worry about covid-19 in the

protests. now this, reports coming in at least 70 covid-19 testing sites were destroyed in protests across the country. top officials on president donald trump's coronavirus task force, including dr. about, warned the nation's governors they are worried about a spike in infections and lack of testing. welcome former state department official kiron skinner. your reaction. there was a big push to get testing ramped up. good to have you back on. now more than five dozen sites were destroyed. your reaction? >> liz, thanks for having me. thanks for the incredibly accurate coverage you've been doing on the racial injustice, the protests and covid-19 in recent weeks. my reaction is this, we know that the united states is the world's most fully functioning,

multi-ethnic democracy. we know there are racists in america, there are bigots and some who engage in discrimination in the work place. but that is not the united states. the american narrative is one of americans of all streeps stripes going after people who are racists and bigots and we ultimately win and catch up to them. what we're seeing on the streets now throughout the united states is a manipulation of african-americans by a machine, democratic machine, i hate to say it, that is not to be partisan, in the american cities that's telling african-americans, your injustice is so great that it is important for you to do all the destruction that you can. well for better half of a century or more in many instances it has been democrats and liberals who have been running those cities, who have been spending billions of dollars in special services and funding the police. shouldn't they be to blame? this is got to be overtaken by

reason and research. but african-americans are being encouraged not to do that in the midst of all that's going on. elizabeth: i hear your point. your point is well-taken and thank you for your gracious words there. i'm grateful for that. you know, but, now we've got covid-19 testing sites destroyed. i mean, you know, the trump administration was criticized for not ramping up testing sites. now nearly six dozen are ruined. there is real concern by dr. birx, she is saying to the nation's governors, you have to ramp up sites now in urban areas, minority areas, as dr. fauci saying covid-19 is not over yet. they're worried about a second wave. destruction upon destruction of minority owned businesses, testing sites. this is not about hatred and revenge. it is about getting reform done and unity and the nation moving

forward in peace. your reaction to that? >> i absolutely agree with the way that you put it. that what we should be doing now is figuring out a way to make the urban communities a lot more positive and peaceful and safe for all people. which means political competition. which also means that the republican party has to have a set of better narratives and arguments to persuade voters in those cities to join with them and to help break down the machines but if we don't do that, and do it quickly, we're going to see more covid-19 cases because more testing sites will be destroyed. many that have been destroyed can't be rebuilt very quickly. the health care infrastructure in urban areas is often always fragile and to see it made more fragile is really disturbing for purposes that have nothing to do with uplifting african-americans elizabeth: do you see anywhere else the frank discussion that you just brought up about the

democrat machines running our nation's cities and that being the problem? >> it's hard because it looks like you're fingerpointing and i don't want to look like i'm doing that and it sounds that way but the fact of the matter is we have to have an honest conversation about who has been in charge for a very long time in areas where millions of african-americans and people of color live. often there is not a republican to be found. there is not a conservative to be found. they can't find a way in to the local offices or to the city offices or even to state government or to be the governor itself. we have got to talk about that fact. i think the person who has done it best, perhaps most thought fully has been my colleague at the hoover institution. shelby steele. i don't know if you had him on my program. elizabeth: shelby is great. >> it is not about democrats or republicans. it is really about the right formula for our country. elizabeth: okay.

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