we thank you for doing so, and we thank you for being with us this evening. have a great weekend. see you monday. good night from sussex. ♪ ♪ elizabeth: to the big showdown in the michael flynn case today, a federal appeals court balking at letting the justice department drop its case against the president's former national security adviser after flynn's lawyer, siny powell -- sidney powell said the fbi lied and also slanted government misconduct against michael flynn. even the fbi i wanted to drop the case in to 17 because there was nothing there -- 2017 because there was nothing there. joining us tonight, a justice department spokesman. this is a fox business exclusive. also house judiciary's ben kline

on growing doubt in washington over the foundation for the fbi launching the trump-russian collusion probe as more documents are declassified. senator chuck grassley declaring, quote, we could not find a single shred of evidence to support it. more on what critics now say are the fbi's weak and feeble efforts to launch it. plus, joe concha on -- [inaudible] controversy as the probes bear down on the obama administration abuses of power in the trump-russia probe and the flynn probe, top democrats either running away from questions about it or trying to revice and come up with new narratives that avoid their initial scorched earth attacks that trump a russian asset, and he's going to jail. and dr. alveda king on seattle's leadership in chaos. the mayor and the police chief now at odds. and the mayor downplaying

protesters seizing six city blocks calling it, quote, just a block party, the summer of love as reports come in demonstrators threw rocks and improvised explosives at police officers, planned to burn down the police precinct. also 25 cops now injured since those protests there began. also tonight former trump state department senior adviser christian christian whiton on what's missing in the media on, quote, a spike in covid cases just as democrats and media criticize more tests, they're criticizing because more testing is turning up more cases just as we reported would happen. but now the push is on to blame president trump. i'm elizabeth macdonald, "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪ ♪

elizabeth: thanks for joining us. you're watching the folk business network. let's get right straight to edward lawrence with with the latest from washington. >> reporter: yeah. president donald trump facing a lawsuit now from protesters who were involved in the lafayette park, being removed from the park. in fact, the lawsuit filed by the aclu and the black lives matter movement claiming the president made an unprovoked attack to enable a photo op. the suit also names attorney general william barr. right now in that same park, in lafayette park, is a church vigil going on as protesters are taking that d they're taking to that mark again. they're -- park again. they're putting chalk, writing on the sidewalk in the view of the white house in favor of black lives matter. a number of the messages there, at least one person now in the famous picture at the st. john's episcopal church with the president is apologizing. senator lindsey graham says he supports general mark milley's

apology. listen to this. >> i think it was a beautiful picture -- >> why -- >> i'll tell you -- >> why do you think you're hearing from general milleverything y, from secretary -- milley, is secretary of defense's per. not why you think you are, but do you think it's senate? >> no, i don't think so. if that's the way they feel, that's fine. i have good relationships with the military. i've rebuilt our military. i spent $2.5 trillion. nobody else did. >> reporter: and the president there saying he has no problem with it. white house lawyers also trying to stop the book publishing by former national security -- or director of national intelligence john bolton. an opinion article in the "wall street journal" from bolton's lawyer said that the book went through the clearance process with multiple pre-writes and now he believes that the white house is using national security as an excuse to censor bolton.

the white house lawyers believe the book still contain classified information. in the release the book claims to outline other ukraine-type transgressions he and others say, they say bolton and others raised alarms related to those transgressions. the book goes on sale on january -- june, i should say, june 23rd. so it's interesting how much information comes out right before a book is published. elizabeth? elizabeth: edward, thank you so much. okay. let's get to this story. judges on a d.c. appeals court today seemed pretty skeptical of arguments that they should force a federal judge to dismiss the case against purpose's former national security adviser, michael flynn, as sought by the department of justice. this after flynn's lawyer said the case was, quote, concocted and planned government misconduct against michael flynn. watch this. >> to make us go through that process when the ultimate result has to be the grant of the motion to dismiss.

the government's just basing -- wasting resources out the wazoo pursuing this, and the toll it's taking on the defendant is certainl irreparable harm. elizabeth: remember, this case involves the fbi saying, yes, there is nothing there, no derogatory evidence against michael flynn as of early 2017 and also allegations that the fbi tries to corner him in a perjury trap. judge emmet sullivan has scheduled a hearing next tuesday to hear from both sides. ing the judge could disease on the motion to dismiss by the end of july who could make a whole new troubled of appeals. let's welcome to the show carrie kupec. carrie, it's great to have you on. your thoughts on this case and what's happening now. >> the arguments were pretty interesting. they lasted about two hours. the attorney general had one of our top court litigators to

argue this case this morning. and liz, you know, the bottom line for the justice department is we have the prosecutorial discretion, the authority as part of the executive branch to decide whether we bring a case or not to bring a case. and here, based on what we now know, we have decided it would not be the right things to do to move forward with this case, and so that was a point that you heard repeatedly this morning. elizabeth: kerri, what is the reason for the judge to keep litigating the case? judge gleeson said this is gross misconduct by the justice department, are that this is only -- that flynn is getting, you know, soft treatment from the doj because he's a political ally of president trump. what's the reaction there? >> so i don't think anyone who's followed this case, it came as much surprise to them what judge gleeson said considering he had made his views public before judge sullivan brought him in. in fact, he wrote an op-ed for

"the washington post" in early may expressing his views on the flynn case, and the very next day judge sullivan appointed him as outside counsel to argue against it. so no real surprise there as far as what judge gleeson thinks or quite clearly thought in the past. and some of the language that the judge used in his brief, i thought, particularly ironic. he used the phrase highly irregular. that he found the conduct in this case by the government highly irregular. and i would say i agree on that point but in a little bit of a different way. it is highly irregular for a judge to operate -- i'm sorry, for -- yeah, a judge to operate as a prosecutor, which is what's happening in this case. it is highly irregular for a judge not to grant the department's motion to dismiss after a u.s. attorney who spent ten years as a career prosecutor, ten years in the fbi recommended to the attorney general that base on what we now know, he does not believe that any one of our 93 attorneys in

the country would have brought this case. and, of course, liz, it's highly irregular for the fbi to pie on an american presidential -- spy on an american presidential campaign and then, after closing an investigation on an american citizen, decide to ambush that citizen in an interview. and in an attempt to get them to lie about activities in the investigation that was already closed. so there are -- we could talk for quite some time on the highly irregular activity that has occurred in this case from day one. elizabeth: you know, and also what happened today, so judge sullivan has been accused of bias against michael flynn, saying he committed treason working for the cup of turkey. one of the federal appeals court judges today brought up race are. he tried to equate whether dropping the case against flynn is the same as a prosecutor dropping a case against a white police officer, and that white police officer should not have to answer for using excess e force on a black defendant.

what's your reaction when you heard that? >> and, of course, the judge was getting into the heart of the discretion, the prosecutorial discretion aspect that the prosecutors in this case have. the department of justice attorney who was arguing the case, i thought he made a very, very important point where he said it's not just harm to the defendant at this point, to the human being, mike flynn, at the center of this case, but it's harm to our system. it's harm to the way separation of powers, the way our government's been set up. and, you know, judge sullivan could grant our motion to dismiss in this case. it doesn't mean he agrees with us, it doesn't mean that he's expressing his own opinion, it doesn't mean he thinks it's the right thing to do. he would simply be acknowledging our authority as the prosecutors in the executive branch in this particular case because it's our authority to bring cases or drop cases, not that of the judiciary elizabeth: yeah, i hear what

you're saying. it's about the constitutional separation of powers. i did want to get into what seems to be set aside in these discussion on the part of the judges here, that, you know, the fbi declassified fbi notes and documents show that the fbi knew it did not have a case against flynn as of late 2016 and the fbi case agent was going to drop it because it didn't have any derogatory information about the trump-russia probe. and then peter strzok and others conspired to try to catch flynn in a perjury trap, you know, lying to fbi officials. flynn was not going to get a miranda warning, and they basically -- flynn did not have a lawyer present in this fbi interview. so there was a lot of of irregularities there. and joe biden unmasked the name of flynn and then got to flynn's phone call with the russian ambassador leaked to the washington post likely by former

dni jake clamber told the reporter, quote -- clapper. take the kill shot here. that seems like a long laundry list there. your reaction. >> yeah, there is a long laundry list. and so, you know, it would be wonderful, obviously, if appellate court instructs the lower court to grant the motion to dismiss, but if they go forward -- or bailout to, judge sullivan holds a hear anything mid july, we hope he will recognize our authority as a coequal branch of government and grant our request to drop this case. elizabeth: kerri, thanks for joining us. come back soon. >> thanks for having me on. elizabeth: coming up, seattle leadership in disarray. the mayor and the police chief now at odds over demonstrators taking control of seattle city blocks with a police precinct in it. the seattle mayor's been downplaying this calling it, quote, a block party and, quote, the her of love.

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♪ ♪ elizabeth: welcome back. let's take you to seattle where the mayor and the city's chief of police are now at odds over who made the call to abandon the city's police precinct to protesters. the chief of police blames city leadership, the mayor now

downplaying protesters seizing control of city blocks, calling it e, quote, just a block party, the summer of love. local reports coming in of seattle police now saying demonstrators threw rocks and improvised explosives at police officers and that 25 cops have been injured. 25 police officers injured since these protests began. police still cannot gain full access to the police station. now watch the seattle mayor here and also watch the governor of washington state who claims that he hasn't heard about a what's going on. watch this. >> so i know it will shock you that the president is perhaps not giving an accurate or truthful picture. we've got four blocks in seattle that you just saw pictures of that is more like a block apparently atmosphere. it's not an armed take over. we have block parties in this part of seattle all the time. it's known for that.

>> the capitol hill autonomous zone, what's your thought about the fact that protesters have taken that over? >> well, that's news to me, so i'll have to reserve any comment about it. i have not, i have not heard anything about that. from any credible source. elizabeth: okay. watch seattle's chief of police and the head of seattle's police union tell a different story. >> you should know leaving the precinct was not my decision. you fought for days to protect it, i asked you to stand on that line day in and day out getting pelted with projectile, to be screamed at, threatened and in some cases hurt. ultimately, the city had other plans for the building and relented to severe public pressure. i'm angry about how this all came about. >> they're willing to take a precinct, removing the 911 call

center won't allow people service in the city. so where is the reasonableness here? where is the safety of the reasonable community of the city of seattle? to me, that is absolutely appalling. elizabeth: we welcome back to the show, we're delighted to have back on dr. alveda king. you are the niece of martin luther king. you know, dr. king, the fire department was called in to stop a potential burning down of the police precinct there. that would have started possible fires up if down the city blocks there. your reaction to all of this. >> liz, i am so concerned for the mayor who seems to be suffering from a terrible affliction of nostalgia and denial. in other words, maybe when she was growing up a block party was fun, and maybe the free love movement was different then. but she is in the middle of a

pandemic situation with covid-19 still existing and now the ayottes and finish now the riots. we have accurate reports from people who love in seattle who are concerned, and i'm surprised that the governor hasn't heard about this or he says not reliable information. and so block party. no. autonomous zones are the same as a sanctuary city where lawless people go and anarchists and everything. if there's no police there, then they have free rein to regroup and go back and do it again. so free love, what kind of free love? when the businesses in those four blocks, any business owners or people who have home nearby, they are not safe. so she's in terrible denial, and trying to sell that to the nation. but she's not -- either she's totally unaware or not being honest, one or the other.

elizabeth: dr. king, you just spoke with such honesty this. seattle ranks in the top 20 worst cities for crime out of 115 cities. that's as of 2018. so portland, oregon with, had a similar disturbance. they said it's civil upset in portland. they shut it down with police alaska. is it your concern -- action. is it your concern that when these things get out of hand, they can escalate? they wanted to burn down the police precinct, and 25 cops were injured. your final word on this. >> well, the families, the children, the communities, even the churches, the people in the area are in danger, and their mayor dreaming about block parties? i think that's unfortunate. she's in big denial. think it's unfortunate. elizabeth: thank you so much for joining us. come back soon, we love having you on. >> thank you so much. elizabeth: we've got a whole lot

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♪ ♪ elizabeth: welcome back. you're watching the fox business network. we're coming into the bottom of the hour. okay, as more and more documents

are declassified, there is growing doubt in washington over the reasons why the fbi trump-russia collusion probe was launched to begin with. watch iowa senator chuck grassley on this. the question now is given new details, there are thin grounds for why the fbi launched it. were officials ready to launch because they hated trump? watch this. >> we also held a hearing on foreign agents registration act oversight, submitted countless oversight requests to federal agencies in the special counsel's office and reviewed sensitive and classified documents produced by the state department, justice department, fbi and intelligence community. we didn't find a single red of evidence to -- shred of evidence to support the narrative. we found quite a lot of evidence that there were problems with the way that the fbi conducted

its investigation. and that's based on roughly four years of work. elizabeth: let's welcome republican congressman ben klein of virginia. the congressman sits on house judiciary. your reaction -- great to have you on, sir. your reaction to what you just heard, not a shred of evidence? >> it confirms what we've known for many, many months, that the steele dossier was full of holes. the horowitz report confirmed that the fisa process was flawed. we need to fix it. thankfully, senator lindsey graham, chairman of house -- senate jewish tissuely, taking -- judiciary, is taking action. we're seeing nothing out of nancy pelosi's house of representatives or jerry nadler's judiciary committee. elizabeth: congressman, let's explain what senator grassley just talked about, the foreign registration act. the document the fbi used to justify its launch of the

trump-russia collusion probe, it starts off like this, peter strzok, who was fired, signed off on an investigation into the theory that someone on the trump team was breaking the law, the foreign agent registration act, by not registering with the u.s. government that they were working for a foreign country. but that was only based on a low-level trump campaign adviser, george papadopoulos, who over drinks in a london bar suggested that the trump team had received, quote, some kind of suggestion of help from russia about releasing information damaging to hillary clinton. sir, was that enough evidence to say that papadopoulos was a russian agent or working for russia? a suggestion of a suggestion? no evidence cited? your reaction? >> not even close. the threshold wasn't even in sight, much less met to proceed with this investigation. and all the years and years that

resulted of running could be these false rumor -- running down these false rumors, proving that the steele dossier had very little, if any, facts to it, making sure that the truth came out, that's been a process that is finally, finally coming out. hopefully, it's going to result in some action to reform the fisa process to make sure that this process, if it is reformed, these types of accidents never happen again, these types of abuses never happen. elizabeth: let's turn to this, that the fbi knew in early 207 they did not -- 2017 they did not have evidence of trump-russia collusion, but then special counsel robert mueller wiz was appointed anyway. this comes from that declass fired document in the obama administration's intelligence community assessment saying there was, quote, little corroboration -- no crop raying, actually -- of christopher

steele's dossier work, that's opposition research paid for by the democrats. it was uncorroborated by early 2017. but now i want your reaction to this, the doj inspector general found that former top fbi official andrew mccabe pushed to include steele's reporting into the ica arguing that, quote, obama had requested everything you have relevant to this topic of russian influence. how much was president obama involved in this? >> we don't know at this point, but we do know that when mccabe and others wanted to close this upon the transition from the obama administration to the trump administration, we had jim comey himself say that they needed to keep out going and that they needed to have that interview with carter page during the transition in the hopes of catching him and, hopefully, getting him to lie to investigators without an attorney present. and we see the results.

we have a judge now who is looking for assistance in the form of an amicus brief from another judge who, even though he had stated in previous ruling that prosecutors have the absolute discretion over their cases, that he doesn't want to give prosecutors discretion to dismiss the charm against carter -- against michael flynn at this point. elizabeth: okay, that's the michael flynn case. you know, the steele dossier that you mentioned, the opposition research, the doj inspector general said it had russian disinformation in it. thank you so much, congressman, for joining us. stay with us, a big show coming up. ♪ (vo) at audi, we design cars that exhilarate with versatility,

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♪ ♪ ♪ elizabeth: welcome back. joe biden claims that he, quote, absolutely convinced the

military would step in president trump loses, claiming president trump won't leave the white house. this triggered a media echo chamber of people agreeing with joe biden on this. watch. >> andrea, republicans on capitol hill do not want to stand between donald trump and the election if he tries to steal it, and i think joe biden's exactly right. >> i think that former vice president biden is exactly correct. i believe the military generals and others will step up and make sure that there's a peaceful transition of power. elizabeth: let's welcome former louisiana governor bobby jindal back to the show. great to have you on, governor. your reaction to what you just heard. >> this is incredibly hypocritical and ridiculous. remember what happened four years ago. the left working these samely dick cloughs assertions, they said president trump would not accept the outcome of the election. president trump's not planning on staying in the white house after losing the election, he's

planning on beating joe biden. remember four years ago hillary clinton couldn't accept the fact that the american voters selected donald trump over her. she blamed everybody but herself. she blamed the electoral college, the voters, she called us deplorables, she blamed everybody. then after that look at what the obama administration did. flying in the face of a peaceful trr of power -- transfer of power, they manipulated our intelligence agencies to try to undermine trump's first year in office, fabricated stories about collusion of russia. and i know you've been covering that, so it's the left that has a problem with accepting the actual verdict of the voter, not the right, not donald trump. they tried this four years ago, it didn't work then, it's not going to work now. i think joe biden should stay in the basement and stop talking to voters and the media. elizabeth: governor, to what you just said, joe biden is also raising eyebrows with these sound bites as well.

let's listen. >> even dr. king's assassination did not have the worldwide impact that george floyd's death did. you know, the rapidly rising in with, with, i don't know -- even if none of her employees had children back at home were worried about spreading anything, people aren't going to come in. so what enables them? not anybody, but -- what you can do, and you're right about near term, you could begin to be able to get help in terms of how you have a business where you can go online and say send me your prescription, i can are out nilled. -- i can have it filled. i'm beginning to get bored by my own talk here. it's not fair. the constitution says all men and women are created equal.

elizabeth: okay. first of all, it's the declaration of independence that says that, not the constitution. and the idea for filling drug prescriptions on the internet is not new, it's a multibillion dollar industry. what was your reaction, toe, to what -- though, what biden said about the death of george floyd had a bigger impact than dr. martin luther king's? >> george floyd's death was a tragedy. let's be clear, the way that dr. martin luther king lived his life was an inspirational legacy that's transformed the world. not just here in america, his peaceful act of civil disobedience for equal opportunity, for justice, for a color blind society, he's called on men and women of faith to join in on this march for justice. it's inspired not only people here in america for decades to make transformational changes in our society, he is rightly recognized as an icon all over

the world for his stance and for nonviolent demonstrations, peaceful acts of civil kiss to weed yens -- disobedience. we're not perfect, but we have a huge debt of gratitude to dr. martin luther king and his leg is city to continue to strive toward a more just society. again, george floyd's death is a tragedy that demands justice. not sure why the vice president felt the need to compare the two. he remarked earlier that he was beginning to bore himself, look, his numbers actually went up the less he talked, the less he showed the mesh people his thoughts and radical policies. i was being serious, i really do think he should continue hiding in the basement and stay away from those cameras. elizabeth: governor jindal, always great to have you on. come back soon. >> thank you very much for having me. elizabeth: still ahead, as more and more documents are declassified, radio silence from democrats and from the media. again, growing number of declassified documents now call

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elizabeth: welcome back. as the growing number of declassified documents show the shaky foundations for the trump-russia probe p democrats are scrambling. and now this: house intelligence chair adam schiff now under scrutiny for trying to revise and water down his initial narrative. he's now dialing back on his statements that trump is a, quote, russian as set and that trump is going to jail. schiff is now saying, well, russia's putin prefers trump's election to the presidency. no. schiff repeatedly said trump was a russian asset on the media.

let's welcome back to the show media reporter joe concha. joe, your reaction to this. >> that's funny, liz, because i look at some research done an adam schiff, and the number of interviews he did talking about exactly what you just described that the president is a russian asset, that his campaign associates had colluded with russian officials, you know how many times he was interviewed just on tv? i'm not even talking print. 419 times between january 20 the 7 and june of 2019. that's almost 50 hours. you'd have to watch titanic nearly 7 times to get to -- 17 times to get to 50 hours of adam schiff, and the only topic was donald trump guilty until proven innocent. he is a russian asset. he should be impeached, should be removed from office. now you'll find bernie madoff in front of a camera before you find adam schiff being asked about those.

elizabeth: what do you think about the radio sigh eleven from democrats and the media on this? abuses of power under the obama administration and the whole probe, and by the way, i want to take you to this thought. schiff went on the floor of the house and basically cited the steele dossier as evidence. now we know in this russian disinformation, he read from the dossier as if it was fact. let's watch this. >> about as clear evidence you could find of intent by the campaign to collude with the russians. he may be the first president in quite some time to face the real prospect of jail time. according to christopher steele, a former british intelligence officer who is reportedly held in high regard by u.s. intelligence, russian sources tell him that page has also had

a secret meeting with the is ceo of the russian gas giant. according to steele's russian sources, the campaign has offered documents damaging to hillary clinton which the russians would publish through an outlet that gives them deniability hike wikileaks. elizabeth: okay. the cia told the fbi the steele dossier was internet rumor. and also steele's own sources were saying it's full of speculation and hearsay, take it with a grape of salt -- grain of salt, it's just talk over beers. but he's reading it like it's an indictment, like it's fact. >> right. first of all, we never should have called it the dossier. sounds bond-like. in 2016 the dossier was pitched to every major publication whether you're talking "the new york times," all the news organizations, broadcasts, i'm sure fox news, and also buzzfield. buzzfeed is the only actual publication that printed it and, therefore, that opened the gates

for cnn to run with it as well, and we eventually got to the nice a saw warrant. -- fisa. adam schiff is the michael avenatti -- you remember him, right? he's the president of a cell lock over at liker's. but adam schiff needs to be held to account, and that would mean the media -- that's its job, right? -- speaking truth to power without fear or favor to party and, of course, that's not happening right now because michael flynn is just so 2017, and we've already moved on to other things whether it is coronavirus, rightly so, of course, and of course all the protests. the allegation goes 0 times, 1,000 times more around the world than the exoneration, and that's why you have a very uninterested media right now. elizabeth: yeah. 10,000 times around the world the two or three years the media was calling trump a russian asset and he was going jail. watch this. >> we're about to find out if the new president of our country

is going to do what russia wants. >> and if there are no shoes on the trump human centipede that are not about russia. russia, russia, russia. >> this cloud about collusion with russia will hangover him. >> he may be the first president in quite some time to face the possibility of jail time. >> the russians -- >> the russians -- >> the russians disrupted -- elizabeth: the president is a russian operative. joe, has any -- have you seen anybody in the montage say i was wrong? you know, the mueller report disproves what i, we were saying for the last three years. is anybody in the media or democrats taking accountability for what they said? >> that's the thing, right? the lawmakers haven't apologized because they haven't been asked to i apologize by the very people that are actually interviewing them. columbia journalism review, cnn,

okay, during the trump presidency where a lot has happened devoted 26% of its total news coverage to the president bush-russia collusion -- trump-russian shah shah collusion story. again, that saying, guilty until proven innocent, that's what happened here, and now we're not even going to bother with the follow-up and waste those resources all those years. elizabeth: yeah. joe concha, thanks so much for joining us. appreciate it. come back soon. >> enjoy your weekend, liz. elizabeth: up next -- you too. up next, former trump state department senior adviser christian whiton joining us. stay there. to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. discover all the ways we're helping members today. or credit card bills. as a doctor, i agree with cdc guidance. i recommend topical pain relievers first...

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♪ ♪ >> i'm edward lawrence, washington d.c. liz is having some technical difficulties, so we'll take the it from here until she gets back and settled. democratic national committee chairman tom perez and nancy pelosi called out an impaled president donald trump as being directly responsible for the deaths of african-americans because of his bungled delay and response to the coronavirus pandemic. now our guest, let's welcome former trump state department

adviser christian whitend. what's -- why ison. what's your reaction to that, first of all? >> it's completely ludicrous. let's remember, nancy pelosi was out encouraging treuerism -- tourism, telling people come to san francisco, come to chinatown the same time donald trump was shutting down flights from china. i mean, there's just, you know, this is the democrats once again engaging in race baiting, race hustling. if you look at where these vulnerable communities, black americans who do have higher susceptibility to this because they are more likely to have conditions like diabetes, to be obese, to have other health conditions, they're located primarily or at least concentrated somewhat in cities that have been run by the democrats since the 9th century -- 19th endly. what donald trump has done for black americans has increased their economic situation. you know, we have black unemployment below -- before this crisis was at its lowest point in u.s. history, just above 5%.

black wages increasing faster than white wages. everyone's wages going up in the trump recovery before this pandemic. so really just an outrageous statement. >> and the coronavirus is surging across a number of states, but many governors have no interest in bringing back that restrictive stay at home order despite threatening arrest if people went outside to church, for example, what do you think about that, first of all? just your thoughts. >> right. yes, yes, you can have -- you can secede e from seattle or you can go to a riot, but you can't go to church or protest to reopen the economy at the state capitol. you know, we have to be on guard for a mainstream heed media and for public health authoritarians who really want to preserve this crisis who, frankly, are hoping for a second wave of coronavirus. there just isn't really that much evidence of a second wave. if you look at arizona, a lot of the numbers come from an indian reservation, high e incidents of

diabetes and obesity. california and arizona also having large numbers of people coming from mexico or u.s. citizens or green cardholders was the numbers in mexico are going up. people always want to jump on florida because a they reopened early and, yes, the number of cases is up 28%, but testing over that same period over the last two weeks is is up 37%. that actually means the trend going in the right direction. and if you step back nationally, look at that seven-day average, we're just below 800 in that average, that's only about a thursday of what they were at the peak of this crisis. so things are trending in the right direction. >> i'm interested in your thought, christian, what about the protests and did that put people at risk for possibly transmitting some of these diseases for some of the spike that we're seeing? >> yeah, that's really the question that's yet to be answered. if you look, we are more than two weeks away from when they started, and two weeks is thought to be the outer edge of the incubation period. frankly, you'd think we would

have seen an increase in hospitalizations around seven days if this was a driving force. this all calls into question whether the lockdowns were that effective and, frankly, there's been misinformation on all sides. the white house sent out an e-mail saying they saved three million lives. i don't think so. [laughter] you have not the spike that was predicted, but things seem to be going in the right direction. elizabeth: great interview. thank you so much for that. we really appreciate your time there. edward lawrence did a great interview. we are so sorry for the technical difficulties. well, that does it for us. really appreciate you joining us this week. we hope you have a great weekend. i'm elizabeth macdonald with "the evening edit." thanks so much for watching. have a great weekend. ♪ ♪ y're

going to take all the sex and violence out of it. all right, that does it -- [laughter] ♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. radical left democrats are in their moment, but what will be the consequence on election day? for two weeks city after city across the country was hit by demonstrations, protests and rioting and street violence, and the mayhem captured the nation's attention without doubt. and so did the obvious conflicting objectives of many of those leading the demonstrations and the groups, the groups they represented. and, yes, the riots leaders as well. and now that a relative calm has is settled upon the nation, there is in seattle a curious spectacle underway.