for new york city even though the governor had said previously, watch out, you've not been obeying the social distancing rules. we might have to lock you down again. apparently not so phase two coming next monday. my time's up. neil cavuto is standing by. it is yours, neil. neil: thank you very much we're following that. we're following new messages we're getting from the new york governor where he is talking about hospitalizations infection rates all going that way, speeding up reopening of the state, particularly down state in the new york metropolitan region. we'll have more on that. it's a tug-of-war on corner of wall and broad, a lot has to do with spike of cases abroad. we'll get to that in a second. you're looking at times square area. we show you, avenue of the americas there is a little bit more traffic than it used to be. this isn't like anything in the good ol' days before the virus but better than it has been.

a step in the right direction. whatever your cup of tea. we're following reaction about the senate republican plan to reform police departments across the country, without getting too involved how they go about day-to-day business. that is source of criticism for democrats saying they don't go nearly far enough. hillary vaughn, back and forth on this out of washington. hey, hillary. reporter: congress has dueling bills that address police brutality while the house is marking up their reform package that republicans in the senate today, introducing their response. senator tim scott leading the effort today, saying his proposal goes hand in hand with the president's executive order he announced yesterday. >> too often we're having a discussion in this nation about, are you supporting the law enforcement community or are you supporting communities of color this is a false binary choice. the answer to the question of which side do you support, it's i support america.

reporter: to strike a balance between strong-arming state and local governments to have sweeping reforms nationwide. senator scott put in place reforms to retrain the officers by offering millions of dollars in grants. look where the bill stands right now by the numbers. 100 million in grants for bodycam partnership program would help departments buy body cams, train officers how to use them, log and store the surveillance data. 50 million for the department of justice to create a training curriculum, certify training programs for local police officers to utilize. 20 million for alternative use of force training. 50 million for de-escalation training and 100 million dedicated to training officers on their duty to intervene. if they see a fellow police officer using excessive force in the field. the bill does not outlaw chokeholds but offers access to

federal funding. prohibits chokeholds being used with very few exceptions. it establish as national use of force data collection registry to track troubled officers ho have history of complaints or infractions but democratic lawmakers in congress say the bill does not go far enough. say it just makes recommendations instead of mandating changes. >> from what i heard there is is not a lot in that proposal that has real teeth in it. it seems very weak and flabby. but we obviously start a negotiation because this is a national crisis we're in. reporter: neil, negotiations are on a tight deadline. leader mcconnell says the bill will hit the senate floor next week and they're trying to get it passed before the 4th of july recess. neil? neil: aggressive timeline. thank you very much. hillary vaughn in washington, she is all over this stuff. great job there i want to go to gary mccarthy a former chicago

police department superintendent. very honored to have you, gary. thank you for taking the time. >> thank you. neil: how do you feel about all of this? there will be a change, i'm sorry, sir, there will be a change, we just don't know the degree of the change. i'm just wondering how you feel about some of the things that you've heard on chokeholds and then, some going even still further to say, you know, we have to go further in defunding or taking money out of law enforcement budgets, what do you think? >> well, first of all, neil, i think that the george floyd incident is probably the worst incident that i have seen in my 35 year career but i've always been a proponent of national standards for policing. i worked in three different states. i did 25 years in the nypd. i worked in newark, new jersey for five years as police director and here in chicago as a superintendent for five years. the difference between policies in those three places enormous

but i have a big problem with politics dictating policy. and that is a road we really shouldn't be going down. because it is great that people want to try to make sure that the police are doing the right thing. absolutely everybody should think like that. who is the police policy expert in the senate writing this bill right now? who is the police policy expert in the house writing this bill right now? we have been down this road before and although not a supporter of the previous administration as far as policing is concerned, president obama did a good thing with the president's 21st century task force on policing. this came right after ferguson. they put together a series of experts that went around the country. people from the community, community activists, police chiefs, criminologists they went around the country collecting best practices. when he issued the report on best recommendations, 92% we

were already doing in the chicago police department. we had a 50-year low in the murder rate. 75% reduction in police shootings and big reduction in complaints against officers following road map. problem is once the politics got involved, next thing you know, rahm emanuel cover his tracks, fires me. looks at the squirrel. that is example of politics dictating policy. as a result of that, if you take my last four years as superintendent here in chicago and compare it to the last four years, there has been 635 more murders in the city. so whatever we're doing is not working. there are road maps out there how to do this, to reduce complaints, reduce arrests but it starts with a rational conversation about race in this country which i don't think has happened yet. people scream at each other. people make demands. unfortunately elected officials bow to the pressure all the time

neil: a lot of screaming to your point, thank you very much. garry mccarthy, urging a little calm. stepping back, we forget this president barack obama did in fact have a plan to rein in incorrect police behavior. after ferguson. the present president says he is only one to do so. i want to get that fact out there. he is not. phil keating joining us out of miami beach, florida, they're looking at a sudden spike in cases. they say it is under control but a lot of people are getting kind of nervous. what's the latest? reporter: absolutely, neil. good afternoon. record-setting positive test results all reported from six states yesterday. that includes three big ones, texas, arizona, and here in florida. ocean drive and beaches reopened one week ago, meaning more people out and about, dining and drinking. more economy open, but a lot of health experts predicted, once

the states started doing this there would be more infections. florida has seen a surge of 14,000 positive cases in just the past 10 days and two weeks with more than 1000 positives. increased testing is a factor but reopening of the economy also a factor. in tampa, scores of people on boats participated in a trump-tilla boat weekend. universal volcano bay water park, no social distancing, minimal mask wearing. 19 states are reporting a surge in cases, while the northeast, original epicenter is seeing declining cases. 19 states are in the south and west and spiking. mayors of miami and miami beach say if south florida's numbers keep surging at this pace, they will absolutely consider rolling everybody back. >> implementing a stay at home order, while effective, we saw how effective it was

mathematically, it's a measure of last resort but we definitely do want to sound the alarms. >> we still have to maintain caution. reporter: while bars and restaurants in the state of florida are now open at 50% capacity, bars and clubs in south florida where most of the cases of the state are, are still closed. leading to this protest yesterday, demanding the right to work and open up the economy and society further. as for florida republican governor ron desantis, despite rising numbers he is adamant that the reopening of the state's economy will not be rolled back. meanwhile researchers in england are reporting a possible breakthrough. test results showing a steroid significantly decreased the risk of dying to covid-19. neil? neil: all right. phil, thank you very much. covered a lot there, phil keating in florida, again and as phil said there is no talk about delaying any planned reopenings and next phases, including

amusement parks of disney and universal still looking at july reopenings. some facilities in and around those parks are already open. now in the meantime we are talking about the impact of all of this here and abroad as more regions report an uptick in cases, particularly in china where they have cut about 60% of the flights in and out of beijing on reports of a stubborn spike in cases there. so much so, that they have already, already, moved to close schools and not allow college kids to return. they have a very different school year than we do but, suffice it to say, some are looking at that as a sign maybe this is something we should be looking at. already robert lighthizer, the trade representative, said despite the spike in covid-19 cases he is on the wires saying he is confident that the chinese will deliver on their promises in that trade deal. dick grasso, former new york stock exchange chairman and ceo on whether that is doable right now. you know, dick, every time we

talk we have some sort of virus-related news and now the latest that china might be seeing a spike in cases in beijing and that is raising fears, whether they're justified or not, they might not be able to deliver the goods on that trade dale. i'm curious about your thoughts on the fallout from that? >> neil, good to be with you as always. look, i believe washington has got to put the pedal to the metal on beijing to make sure they honor that agreement. very hard to assign a high level of credibility to what's coming out of the leadership in china right now but we do know that we cut a deal and a deal is a deal and they better own up to it. i believe they will. i believe it is a little bit of dancing on the head of a pin and i do think that this president who has been incredibly,

incredibly pro-america first and getting the chinese back to a economic balance with the united states is going to make them fulfill their responsibilities. neil: there is only so much you can do though, right? the reason why i'm raising it with you the markets to your point, dick, seem to be dismissing this second surge or spike in cases, that it is going to delay things or even compromise world health again but it does raise some concerns that companies that were looking for some, you know, clear light going forward, they can't get that. are you worried about that? >> well, certainly it is a concern, neil, but remember we got to understand why the spike. is it greater testing, or is it people suddenly not adhering to the social discipline of distancing? and i think it is the latter,

frankly. you look around, whether it's demonstrations, whether it's people partying in the streets, or on the beaches, i think we've, you know, we've had a little bit of cabin fever and you know, the emotion of returning to what will be a normal u.s. environment, i think has caused people to lose their discipline. i'm really very, very heartened by what the airlines said this morning. wear a mask or don't get on the plane. it is a reminder that social distancing helped defeat or flatten the curve and you think it will do it again. neil: you know on the floor of your old home the new york stock exchange, traders are there again, not nearly as many as we had before, certainly not nearly as many when you were running things but they don't always honor that distancing provision and i'm wondering whether that worries you? >> well, you know, it is a

difficult challenge when you're in a physically convened, open outcry environment, neil but i think they're doing a good job, trying to adhere to the social distancing. remember something, neil, you know that trading floor is the microcosm of the american economy and, you know what they want to do, what each and everyone of those men and women who are representing almost the 100 million investors in this country, what they're trying to do is get the best possible price for their investors. and so, you do see at times a violation of the distancing but it is quickly, it is quickly absolved. i think, to the credit of the professionals on the trading floor and to the management of the exchange, they're doing one heck of a job trying to adhere to what the government asked everyone to do. neil: it is tough to do. you know, can only do it for so

long. it is something you have to get together, compare buy and sell order. always good seeing you, my friend. be well and safe -- >> before you run -- neil: yes? >> before you run i want to send your viewers a message, those who are scratching their heads about markets this is something that was given to me after 9/11. it is a t-shirt that reads very simply, don't sell america short. the best is yet to come. neil: it is your time horizon that matters, right? >> you know, neil, fourth quarter of this year we'll be cooking at rate run rate gdp. this president is going to bring us back. neil: all right. we'll watch it very closely. thank you very, very much, dick grasso. that view about markets and don't under stint, our enincluded has been born out again and again. if you're patient, markets do come back.

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neil: you know, sort of like that dirty little secret that shouldn't be a secret at all talking about the economy and the comeback. when they talk about v-shaped recoveries they invary bly include what is happening on mortgage front. mortgage demand hit better than 11-year high in the latest month. rates were at record low david liken to pick it all apart. david, looking at all of this, it is remarkable in the middle of the virus, all of a sudden concerns about protests and our own country's stability people are not getting, you know, dissuaded that confidence things are good enough to put money down on a home. that's a big deal claim. >> it's a big deal. you sit and look at this whole

market, interest rates at this level, there is so much pent-up demand. you look at the builder sentiment number last week. refinance, activity, neil, is at a record, record volume. remember back in 2005, you could refinance your homes in one year and have it make economic sense. we're back to those kind of times, neil. it's crazy! neil: are banks able to keep up with the demand? >> no. that is the biggest problem. can cannot hire enough people. if you're a mortgage underwriter looking for work, you will absolutely have the pick of jobs out there. we can't hire enough people. we're using more and more technology to meet the demand but we're overwhelmed. this is an industry absolutely overwhelm manied by the demand. this is best of times for the mortgage industry. neil: for buyers or sellers, i'm sorry, david, we have a little delay, for buyers and sellers or both?

>> apologize the delay if it is on my end. it is for both. for buyers trying to find a home, there is inventory issue. you guys reported there is a great article on your website, not too long ago, on this very topic. as for sellers they're going do we want to sell our home right now because of covid? do we want to go through that? some are, they're getting really good prices. up and down, this spring, for example, neil, we're finding people up there are saying to us that they're getting door knockers, the door hangers on their door, do you want to sell your home? because so many corporations are exiting out of other, other markets and bringing companies to texas, specifically dallas and there is such a demand for housing, that they literally hire employers to go around hang signs, will you sell your house, we would like to buy it. we'll pay premium dollars. that speaks to the shortage of the housing supply and also then that is on top of the just overall general demand for

housing, at least here in texas. it is true in other parts of the country. neil: what's the hottest part of the country right now? >> i would have to say texas is one of those very, very hot spots. we're also seeing florida is a hot spot. we're seeing a couple other states. you know what's interesting, neil? it is really coming down where the tax base is. what is favorable for the companies moving to, from a tax standpoint. and also, you look at the governors that are opening up the states. texas where we live. it's a great state. the great state of texas. they're opening it up. as a result, people that have been locked up, my friends trying to work in the homes in which overall working very well, but they're wanting to get out and they want to get to a state where there is less concern about covid. whether, you have people agree with it or not. the demand for coming into these states, look for states where there are governors opening it up. that is real interesting determining factor here

recently. neil: certainly economically, that's the case. thank you very much, david lyyken transformational housing. he was talking this way before we got the boffo numbers. write down what he says. we have a lot more coming up. we have a lot more on the personal protection paycheck protection program, how uber wants a part of that to help out folks including its drivers. more after this. ♪. where will you go first? wherever you make go, lexus will welcome you back with exceptional offers. get zero percent financing and make no payments for up to 90 days on all 2020 lexus models. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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♪ yeah ♪ ♪ y-yeah ♪ ♪ yeah ♪ hey, hey ♪. neil: all right. stop me if you heard this before, google being cited for tipping its hand showing its bias. jackie deangelis on that. what is happening here? reporter: google is defending itself from a nbc news report indicating that the company was taking action against "the federalist" and zero hedge that articles, google said, push

unsubstantiated claims about the black lives matter movement. now the report said that google felt the media outlets violated the search engine's policy forbid monetizaton of sites, that provide, quote, derogatory content. google insisted that "the federalist" was never demonetized t was the site's comments section that was in question here, not the actual articles. that zero hedge had already been demonetized. chris bedford, editor of the federal lift said this on "the evening edit" last night. >> i can say for certain nbc news changed their story, and google was very, very quick to shut it down. the question is whether google is at side of truth in this matter or in retreat after a very clumsy attack. reporter: the irony here this is coming just as there have been some reports that google's ceo, sundar pichai is open to testify in front of congress on

antitrust questions. speaking of which senator ted cruz wrote a letter to pichai, the recent actions of google to demonetize a conservative media publisher, "the federalist," raises concerns that google is abusing its monopoly power to censor political speech which it disagrees. senator josh hawley is introducing legislation allowing for lawsuits against google and facebook, twitter over issues related to censorship. the issue from google, aside from potentially censoring speech, deplatforming, demonetizing their ad revenue could literally bankrupt them, shut them down, if that is what google is doing, the bigger question becomes is it abuse of its power, adding that to the list of things congress is looking into. google reportedly banned 200 publishers from generating

profits through google ads in 2017 alone. this is something that will continue. antitrust probes, neil, were put on hold because of the coronavirus pandemic. there will be a point when the focus comes back to this topic. back to you. neil: jackie deangelis, thank you very, very much. in the meantime, if you don't wear a mask while you're flying, guess what, you ain't flying? the airline industry is coming together to enforce this policy, no mask, no ticket, no-flying, maybe not for a long, long time. grady trimble following all of that out of chicago owes o'hare. grady. reporter: neil this comes as number ever people flying is steadily increasing. all the major airlines are saying if you don't have a mask on your face you're not allowed on our planes. delta, united, american, going so far we will take away your future flying privileges if you take your mask off at anytime during the flight or don't have

it on when you're boarding. as we look around here, some people are taking it more seriously than others like that gentleman there. a couple of people were in full hazmat suits. most people, i would say the majority have their masks on. i talked to one gentleman will wear it for boarding. as soon as he gets on the plane he will take it off and be comfortable. the flight attendant's union saying federal government needs to do more. they say it needs from a federal mandate. the requirements has only come from the unions. the flight attendants said in stern statement, the federal government has abdicateed one of the rare times you're allowed to take your mask off if you're eating or drinking. but some carriers, dealt a, american, they're not serving in-flight alcohol either. they are are doing that to limit the amount of interaction

between flight attendants and passengers and limit amount of time passengers don't have their mask on. neil? neil: how long would that be in effect? say you fight with them on the plane about it. they not only make life difficult for you there but they will also put you on a naughty list, pretty much, right? reporter: let's say i wouldn't want to watch that interaction go down with the flight attendants forcing somebody to get a mask on. i don't think it will get that far. i have a statement from jetblue. they told me they're working with their employees to try to de-escalate have the person politely put their mask on f they don't, i guess we'll see. i did talk to that gentleman who was very insist extent he will not wear his mask. he said he will take a rental car if he has to avoid it. we'll see if there are people like that who just don't want to wear a mask. neil: frayed nerves, i guess, my friend. frayed nerves. grady trimble thank you very, very much. you can understand it, right? but on both sides this is

getting long in the tooth. people just go nuts. we have the cabbage cofounder right now. the big deal to help uber drivers apply for the paycheck protection program, get some help there, just when you think maybe there is nothing there for them but apparently uber feels otherwise. is there something there for them? is all this despite the promise too late? what are you hearing, katherine? >> we're seeing a lot of applications coming not only from uber but independent contractors across the country are who just becoming educated as they can be about their access to ppp. neil: the program to include upper drivers and others that might benefit from this, is that a harder process to go through, kathryn? how would you describe it? >> it is easier. the documentation is little more straightforward. they qualify for much lower lines, for a loan as little as

$1500. foremost financial institution, that is manuel process. they don't generate revenue from 1500-dollar loan to make it worthwhile. because we automated on boarding and application process to the sba we're able to do that for them. neil: you know, this is a dumb question, you would know this certainly far better than i, are uber drivers considered independent contractors and as such, you mentioned this might be easier for them to apply, because is it because they're independent contractors or what? >> uber drivers are independent contractors and work for gig economy companies like lyft or instacart. these are not employees of the companies. they are independent contractors and they get tax documentation to support that. we're using that documentation in order to approve them for pp. yep. neil: got it. it sounds to me like there was a lot of money thrown out when the virus first hit but this seems to be among the more successful programs. at least the demand, in the

beginning at least far exceeded the supply of funds available but it seems to be a winner in that respect? >> we agree although a lot of the funds went to much larger businesses. we are surveying smaller businesses from our perspective. 80% of the applicants at kabbage have five or fewer employees. these are much, much smaller businesses. the early applicants qualified for millions and millions of dollars. our average, median loan amount is 13,000 five. neil: that's right. i forgot about the big guys got that. some were shamed giving it back. thank you very, very much. we'll follow that very, very closely. we'll follow the fallout from north korea. we knew they were angry, volatile to deal with, but so angry they would blow up a facility in their own country to make a statement? that's angry after this we're here for a reason.

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♪. neil: all right. forget about whether there is an app to do that, right now there is a device that amazon is working on, a technology that will alert workers at a plant or wherever you are whether they're getting a little too close for comfort and violating those distancing rules. amazon's stock which has been on a tear, up an additional 33 points or a little bit more than

1.25% on that latest news. amazon has taken over the world. that's what is going on right there. charlie gasparino has already taken over the world and from his perch somewhere looking over an ocean he is updating us on t-mobile and everything else going on around that. it is very layered, very involved, very over my head but fortunately not over his. charlie, what's happening with this? >> neil, some people say i'm too close for their comfort and i think the people at t-mobile -- neil: i'm one of them. >> charlie, mr. ergen who runs dish who is an integral part of the t-mobile sprint merger. let's first back up. last year doj finally approved the t-mobile-sprint merger. approved it with conditions. it's a huge merger, $26 billion. it es supposed to advance 5g which is the next big thing in communications there is a lot of reasons from a public policy standpoint you wanted these two companies to merge which stood a

challenge from state ags which said it was anti-competitive because it created, got rid of a carrier. justice department was able to convince a democratic federal judge, democratically appointed federal judge that wasn't the case. as a matter of fact, that they're going to create another network. that other network was going to be created by none other than than charlie ergen, one of the toughest negotiators in the business and from what we understand, this deal while it is technically over, it is not over. it is still not through and one of the reasons why because that tough negotiator, charlie ergen of dish, is still negotiating. here is what we understand is happening here. a key part of this deal would be charlie ergen creating another wireless carrier and purchasing another asset from t-mobile to make it work. that asset is boost mobile. boost is a prepaid service designed to give telecommunications services to people with not a lot of money. it's cut-rate.

apparently he is balking on that purchase, even though he agreed to it and the deadline is coming up on july 1, he is balking on that purchase to get better conditions on another purchase, his sale of spectrum for t-mobile. t-mobile wants to pay x, he wants them to pay x times two and they're now at loggerheads over that. basically this is charlie ergen at the last minute over the sale of spectrum to t-mobile, trying to wiggle around this boost deal, according to the sources close to the matter. what does that mean for you, the average citizen? well, if you got boost you're in limbo right now. a lot of people have it, millions of customers. you don't know who owns you right now. boost mobile is a prepaid service targeted to low income people. it is in limbo. if you're t-mobile, you need that spectrum to buildout your 5g. again the trump administration wanted the merger so they could buildout 5g. that is in limbo right now. the whole thing is kind of in

limbo. we thought this deal was done. rubber is meeting the road right now. from what i understand the department of justice antitrust division wants this thing through, is mediating. so we should have something in the coming weeks. july 1 is right around the corner as you know a couple weeks away. so that's when the boost deal has to be done and from what i understand it really does have to be done. i don't know hower again wiggles out of that. it is part of the consent degree. t-mobile doesn't necessarily have to buy his spectrum which he want as lot of money for. it only has to enter into good faith negotiations. mach cam dell delrahim. he wants maybe to lean on

t-mobile to gawk ergen to give a little more. it has major implications for you the average person. if you're a boost customer, a lot of people are, you don't know who is owning you, what your services are like, t-mobile needs that spectrum to buildout 5g. it still hasn't got a deal. neil, back to you after all that. neil: all right. you've been breaking more news, my friend. you know, sheltering down here. i know you're holed up in your compound there. meals are slipped under the door but you've been on fire. keep at it. >> well, neil, i will tell you this, there is very little to do when you're in lockdown mode which, i kind of am. i work out a lot. work out about hour 1/2 a day. when i'm not doing that, i'm, i'm reporting. i do spend some time at the end of the day and have a drink. i think i earned it. neil: okay. well, you and which the workout thing like we're separated at birth. thank you my friend.

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♪. neil: you know outdoor dining might have been around a little while in some states.

in new jersey it is relatively new. in new york still hasn't formally happened. they're waiting for that. in new jersey an institution a lot of people are drawn to, finally opening i guess its front doors, as long as you don't go in. the washington house, co-owners all with us right now. guys, congratulations, how is it going? >> it is going pretty good, neil, thank you very much. as of monday we were allowed to open outdoors. we had kind of limited outdoor eating prior to this and, due to the rules in place we've been able to expand some of our outdoor seating here. we're excited to get back to it. neil: well, you know, you're a destination i know very, very well and about you all that.

seemed like overnight, outdoor dining was like everywhere, certainly around up in new jersey, not too far from you, and it has changed even the mood of people, hasn't it? >> absolutely, yeah. we were so lucky that local town is supportive and people were behind the whole take-out effort. after a while they were ready to get back to life. so there is a great energy. we're excited we can be a part of it. it is cool. >> we've been lucky -- neil: how do you handle rain. i was just going to say, how do you handle rain? >> well we have tents set up for part of it. you know -- take it as it comes. that is all we can do, right? >> we can only deal things we can control and obviously that's not one of them. but as i my sister-in-law said, i think people are eager to get out and where they would have been a little bit more

discerning in the past, maybe they're willing to brave the elements a little bit more to, yeah, get out to see their friends and family. you know, get back to some sort of normalcy again. neil: i'm just wondering, guys, the way this is going now, i don't know how soon they're looking to start indoors, so people go in your restaurant and all. but we've had this spike in cases, not as dramatic in new jersey, for example, as in some other states, but do you worry about that, when you read the headlines, they're going to delay things? >> yeah. now we absolutely do worry about it. that is why we're going above and beyond in terms of safety for our staff and also for our patrons. we have taken that to another level with more spacing in between tables. we have also added outdoor restroom trailers with, with running water, real bathrooms and everything else. this way keeping all of our

patrons outside so nobody has to go into the premises at all. we think that will make a huge difference rather than having lines of people waiting to go in the bathrooms and so forth inside. really kind of trying to protect everybody as best as we can. >> we have also -- neil: what about the social distancing stuff, guys? >> yeah, we have the tables are set up so that woe basically built our picnic benches ourselves. we have them there permanently fixed so they can't be moved. the tents that we have set up are kind of individual tents where we are only two tables under each tent so that, that kind of, that limits how people, traffic flow. then we have everything roped off as well. then we'll have lots of staff on hand as well to make sure that everybody, kind of abides by the rules just so we can keep

everybody safe and everybody has a good experience. neil: do you still have, i think it was scottish salmon, do you still have that? >> yeah, we do. >> still do, yes. >> along with many other delicious things. we have the oysters -- [inaudible]. yeah. neil: just checking, just checking because people are, when do you have fish, neil, scottish salmon? i will have that. best of like to you. let's hope it is sunny days throughout. love what you're doing, love your attitude. you maintained that. you know if people love you, they will make a point coming to you. that seems what is happening. wish you all well. continued success. >> thank you so much. >> good talking to you. neil: heat up the salmon, guys, i will be there soon. it is to die for. we'll have more after this. ♪ ♪ yeah

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are coming up with a plan to police police departments without getting too much in their business. democrats already saying it doesn't go far enough, that they want to defund or hold back funds for departments that don't move to change their ways on things like chokeholds and the rest. ashley webster has been following this back-and-forth. ashley? ashley: yeah. want to talk about the morale among the police departments, as that debate is discussed, neil. look, the mayor of l.a., eric garcetti, called police officers killers. we have city councils across the country looking to defund their police departments and leaders in minneapolis want to disband their police departments. it's not surprising that morale among the police officers is suffering. some have quit already. others are considering a move to more cop-friendly communities. now they are getting help to do that. law enforcement move, a new service that helps frustrated police officers to relocate. on the first day of operation, the company received at least

500 calls, it says. more than 1,000 e-mails, nearly 4500 webpage visits. the service's creator says a police officer exodus is already happening. take a listen. >> so they're looking to say where can i survive with my family, where can i retire for a good life, and quite honestly, the exodus is already happening and i think it's going to continue dramatically, as we see the anti-police movement moving in this country. ashley: the police exodus is most pronounced in big cities, where we know the stress is and yes, the cost of living is much higher. but another trend being reported is the number of police officers who are deciding to quit, saying enough is enough. they are going to retire even if it's early. we spoke to a former member of the lapd who says many officers are just simply angry and disheartened. >> i think across the country,

folks that were maybe thinking of staying another year or two, maybe three, part of them start pulling the plug right now and in my conversations with officers throughout the city of los angeles and also at the county, that's exactly what they're talking about. ashley: well, of course, this has consequences. officers quit or retire, police departments left behind are short-handed which is another big problem. what we are seeing now is that maybe cities will have to offer retention bonuses like they do in the military to keep officers in the rank. that is money a growing number of cities, as we know, simply doesn't have in their budget. beware, there is an exodus of police even moving from big cities to smaller communities or indeed, just hanging it up and retiring. neil: thank you very much, my friend. hope that doesn't linger too, too long. edward lawrence, meanwhile, following the fallout from china and renewed covid-19 cases that

have elements of beijing almost in quasi-lockdown mode. that's a separate story here. but the big story is how all of this will impact their commitment to buy more goods from us, particularly farm-related goods as part of that trade deal. edward lawrence with, as i said, much more on that. hey, edward. reporter: yeah. that's the sticky part of it, how much will they buy. before we get into that, i will say you talked about chairman powell. the federal reserve chairman also saying that now is not the time to take the foot off the gas on fiscal stimulus. he believes or he told the house there should be more fiscal stimulus, they should consider going forward. u.s. trade representative robert lighthizer on trade sitting in front of a house committee, the ways and means committee right now, getting a lot of questions about the phase one trade deal on this. lighthizer feels like the chinese are on track for buying the agriculture from u.s. farmers under the trade deal. listen. >> i think at this stage, there

is a $10 billion or more range. as recently as last week, they bought half a billion dollars worth of soybeans, for example. so it's something we are monitoring very closely. reporter: lighthizer says his deputies are having conversations about every other day with the chinese to work through trade issues. now, that obviously is the fed chairman you see on the screen there. u.s. trade representative robert lighthizer says he's watching the agreement very closely including intellectual property theft, also opening of chinese markets. now, he says he could exercise enforcement if the chinese don't follow through, but he believes they will follow through this agreement. now, on the united kingdom, the u.s. right now with the united kingdom is having a second round of trade talks. this has been going on this entire week and will continue into next week. there are no chapters closed out in the agreement, but lighthizer believes that they can have a few chapters closed out by the end of the week.

he says it is possible to have an announced trade deal by november, but unlikely. he says it would be impossible to have an agreement in front of congress this year, but he's confident that we will eventually have one with the united kingdom. back to you. neil: all right, edward lawrence, thank you very very much. well, if you had any doubt about the durability of these markets and whether they could be sustained, they are almost always punctuated at least in the beginning by a surge in housing, housing related activity, the stocks down the road that happened after 9/11, that happened after financial meltdown. took awhile but this is why some people are seizing on data like new home mortgage applications that are close to an 11-year high, actually more than 11-year high, permits and home construction, future activity seems to show that could be the wind at the industry's back and maybe the overall economy's back. scott martin looks at this kind of data very very closely. scott, that tends to lead the way, doesn't it? >> it does.

neil, homes in our personal balance sheets as far as the value is typically the biggest item on our personal balance sheets these days. so yes, they are very important to ourselves personally and certainly to the economy. but i hate to kind of spike or dump out the party punch here on the numbers today, but we are worried about the housing market. not so much that it's going to crash or just say burn up, but the reality is that there's going to be some leveling off here from i think this recent bounce we have seen. it almost becomes maybe more of i guess a word to describe it is trifurcated market which means there's going to be a lot of differences in three areas. one is certainly going to be in location, say urban versus rural, also going to be in price, maybe homes that are in that cheaper range, below that median home price of say $226,000 nationwide might sell better than the higher end homes, then certainly with respect to how they are constructed, either single family nature of construction that they have versus a multi-family or condo might be

separated as well. so you have a bumpy market i think going forward as the economy continues to recover. neil: you know, spikes in cases you hear about, no governor that i know of maybe with the exception of oregon and utah where they're considering it, is delaying phases, reopening phases as a result of those spikes. what do you think? >> yeah, i agree. i think one of the interesting things, too, is being in chicago, and back in chicago, recently after leaving for a good month and a half and spending some time in very lovely and comforting ohio, shows me, though, just getting back here and talking to some folks, talking to some clients of ours, shows me how some of this big city living is starting to get stale for some folks. certainly to your point about what certain states have done as to how they have done these reopenings, it's starting to sour people's opinions of some of the machinations that have gone on.

if you think about it personally, if you are unsure you will stay in a particular city or state or you are unsure about your job going forward because our research still suggests we will lose several million jobs out of this recession, one way or another, whether or not you like it, no matter what the fed does, no matter what the treasury department does, there's a lot of uncertainty out there with respect to the mortgage market, in our opinion, that even as a bank, if you are going to lend to somebody that all of a sudden wants to buy a new home, if they're not so certain they have a job say come the fall, if they don't have a job now, do those dollars get lent. neil: then you have to wonder whether it's a self-fulfilling prophesy for cities like new york that slowly reopens, a lot of people might not come back, not because their bosses aren't telling them to but because they don't want to. that obviously leads to, you know, mayors across the country looking at ways to make up for that by raising taxes to address a declining tax base. it could feed on itself, couldn't it? >> self-fulfilling prophesy or

my friend, i tell you, in chicago, i'm afraid of that. they have already talked about some of the things they need to cover which we already had to cover when we didn't have covid going on and didn't have the protesting and things. my goodness, if you look at some of the coverage that these mayors and the governors, the governor here in illinois that needs to cover with respect to budget shortfalls, we already had, my goodness going forward there's going to be a lot of tax burden on the folks that are left and the businesses that are still operating here. neil: thank you, my friend, very much. scott martin. kingsview asset management. fox news contributor as well. with us now digesting all of that and what the impact will be for the economy and the republican plan to address the police unrest, racial unrest, jon thune, senate majority whip, an important person in the senate leadership. senator, very good to have you. before i get into these other issues including what you and your colleagues have come up

with to address police departments and these other issues, we were talking about bhoufrpy a recovery th how bumpy a recovery this might be for cities and they might not enjoy as strong or big a work force as they had, because a lot of people are second-thinking you know what, we don't want the hassle. what do you think? >> i think that could happen. i think there are a lot of jurisdictions in this country today who, you know, people that are sort of packed into densely populated areas of the country, our bigger cities, maybe looking for a little bit more open space, and i also think, too, a lot of that has to do with tax policies. i think a lot of these cities across the country who have really high taxes, states that have high taxes, this may be an opportunity for people to give consideration to another place around the country, say south dakota. where we have low taxes. but there's a bill right now that i have introduced in the senate which i think speaks to

that issue. the state of new york, if you can believe this, will tax people who have volunteered to go in there to provide covid relief. if you got health care workers who have gone to new york and are there for an extended period of time, they are considered under new york tax law, they have to pay the income tax, required to do that. i've got a bill that would relieve them of that responsibility, obviously, but i also think there's a reason why people leave states like new york and move to other places around the country, and i think tax policy is certainly one of those. neil: if we can switch gears with this republican plan led by tim scott, your south carolina colleague, who said it's not about junking police departments, it's about making them run better. democrats have already seized on the measures that it doesn't go far enough or acknowledge the role that police departments in some parts of the country can go too far. what do you think? >> i think that's a talking point that the democrats are obviously going to make, but

this is a good bill, it's a strong bill. it was put together based upon the consensus of, you know, law enforcement around the country, meetings with members from the african-american community and i think that tim scott has really done a nice job. i think he deserves a lot of credit for it. he had others who were working with him. but he did try and find consensus positions. ultimately what we want to do is make a law. we want to get it resolved. we want to demonstrate to the people in this country that we lettered th heard them, we're listening and in the end we want to do some policing reforms. the question dois do the democrs want the result or do think want the issue. we will have a vote next week on the bill. if the democrats vote against proceeding to the bill i think it will suggest ultimately what their motives are in this. there is common ground out there. what the democrats want to see happen, republicans want to see happen. there is 70%, 75% overlap there. there are a few things they are proposing that are things that

are just not going to go anywhere. in the end, there's a deal there. i think if good people come to the table, allow us to get on with the bill, open it up to amendments and if the democrats have ideas about how to improve it through the amendment process, they will get that chance. then let's get a result. let's put something on the president's desk that actually improves policing in this country and sends a clear message to those out there who are frustrated that washington is listening. neil: you mentioned the president. he is against this move that's been bandied about by present and former defense officials about renaming these army bases named after confederate soldiers, generals. where are you on this? >> well, i'm open to that conversation. that came out of the armed services committee and it was bipartisan when it came out of the committee. i don't think, neil, that we should completely avoid having a discussion about perhaps naming bases, if there are confederate generals who don't have good

records and obviously they were people who rebelled against the union of the united states, maybe there are generals, more recent generals that we could name some of our military installations after. i think it's okay to have that discussion. i'm open to that. we will see where it goes when the defense bill comes to the floor of the senate. but you know, given the context we are in these days, times change and who we revere by way of naming military installations, i think it's okay to have a discussion about whether or not that needs to be updated as well. neil: i'm just curious, your own thoughts, then, on this move to remove, you know, from streaming services, movies like "gone with the wind," a lot of cop shows, even kids' entertainment that deals with police. where do you see this going? are you okay with that? >> well, i think that stuff gets a little crazy. that's the problem, is you start down this slippery slope. thinking about renaming ten

bases in the south who were named after confederate generals, some with very sketchy records, is something i'm okay having a conversation about. but classics like "gone with the wi wind" and some of the other things now being banned from some of the content providers in this country, it seems to me at least that you can carry this discussion too far. i think we have to at some point say enough, already. there are certain things about our history obviously that we don't like. there are stains on our history. we have learned from them, we are continually trying to improve. we want to be a more perfect union in a place where everybody is equal under the law, and i think that's what we aspire to, but you know, we can sometimes go too far with some of these crusades. i think we have to be conscious of that and employ an approach that is reasonable, that's modest, that takes into consideration the deep feelings people in this country have, but let's not overdo it. neil: senator, while i have you,

normally we don't discuss polls and normally i wouldn't even bother, but i look at them in their fullness and they do show a trend where the president is rapidly losing support, including in six midwestern battleground states, all of which he won, he now trails from anywhere from three to seven points. as you often remind me, i think rightly so, it's very very early. we still have a ways to go. but he particularly is hurt on his reaction to these racial protests and his handling of the coronavirus situation and what seems to be many of those polls, an indifference to a spike in cases for the sake of reopening the country. now, again, early, but trends that are undeniably at least in polling hitting him. what do you think of that? >> well, the president's faced with some really hard decisions and he's been dealt a very very difficult hand. i mean, think of all this. we had start of the year with

impeachment, then the virus, now dealing with these issues of race in the country. these are complex issues, they are hard issues, and i think the president, if he strikes the right tone, neil, can recover some of that lost ground. at least what people perceive to be lost ground in some of these battleground states. i think an upbeat message about the economy, if we start climbing out of this thing and the economy starts to recover and jobs come back and wages come back, that's solving a lot of problems for a lot of people. we are learning how to live and co-exist with the virus right now and as we head into the fall, we will have massive amounts of testing, way more than we have today. the vaccine is being accelerated, could be here a lot sooner than we think. there's a lot of upside potential for the president if he can get out, talk about the things that he's going to do and work with us to do to get the economy back on track. i think that's where most people are. they are pocketbook voters, they are economic voters. they want to know if their lives are going to be better through all this. and i think it's important on

the other issues, particularly the issue of race, that the tone change. i think the president, the white house need to deal with these issues in a very serious way. be proposing solutions, but i think demonstrate an empathy that they are hearing and listening to the american people. neil: it's a balancing act, to your point. good seeing you. be healthy, be restful, be well. senator john thune joining us from washington. the dow up about 30 points right now. it's weighing all this back-and-forth about plans to defund police departments and this uptick in cases. after this.

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but elon musk does like the texas spirit now that he's in space with spacex and all and working in coordination with houston control and everything else, there might be something there that goes beyond just tesla. the full court press on the part of texas that has succeeded so mightily in wooing businesses from high tax states like california and new york to come to texas. we'll see where that goes. meanwhile, in san diego, the push to ease parents' fears if they're comfortable with their kids going back to school or if they just want to teach the kids themselves this fall. the mayor is open to that. mayor kevin fauconer. explain what you are kind of stating here. you want to let parents decide? >> good to be back with you, neil. yeah, the school board here in san diego voted last night to give parents that option. to open up schools, to have the kids start on august 31st, but also with the option to continue distance learning which we had

of course for the last several months. i support them. i think that the plan we have been working on, again, our superintendent with our local school board here in san diego, we spent a lot of time on what does a safe reopening plan look like, allow parents to have that choice. i think that that strikes the right balance. i'm confident a lot of parents are going to take advantage of that. coming up here to get their kids back in school and to get that on-site learning under way in a safe, new normal, if you will, environment. neil: you know, the issue never was about whether the kids would be in danger but the teachers, you know, a lot older, might be if they're exposed to the virus, concern of a spike again. what do you think of that, and health officials warning not necessarily this fall about doing this but to watch and be careful to not miss the fact that it's older people, not that all teachers are old but certainly older than the kids they're teaching, who are the most vulnerable?

this isn't as much about the kids as it is about the folks working with the kids. >> yeah. i think you're right. i think it's been both. as you and i have talked about particularly during all of the reopening plans that we have been doing here in san diego, really trying to lead the way in california, it's about getting back to that not just business as usual, but what are the things that we are doing to safely reopen our restaurants, our retail stores, working hand in hand with our public health officials and you know, residents have taken it seriously and whether it's the beach reopenings we have done that i think have been pretty successful so far, again, back to our businesses opening, i have really tried to stress let's have clear rules of the road, let's communicate that, and when people get that information, i think they are going to continue to do the right thing. that's been our experience here in san diego. i'm pretty confident that when it comes to reopening our schools, our teachers are going to be able to follow those new precautions that the school board is developing and again,

you give parents that choice, i think parents are going to make the choice that fits best for them. look, i think it's important that we continue to not just do things as normal, but as we all come out of this, whether it's our schools, whether it's our economic activity, sending a very clear message that we are all in this to do the right thing together and nobody wants to give back all of the gains that we have made. we have flattened the curve in san diego. we want to keep that curve flattened. i think that that's why that communication, those policies, i think you give people the opportunity to do the right thing, they are going to do it. neil: all right. mayor, we will watch it very very closely. be well, be healthy, be safe. the beautiful city of san diego. as the mayor was speaking, we are monitoring this white house press session going on in which we got wind not that it's a big shock, the president does indeed support republican senator tim scott's efforts to lead a police

reform bill. all republican senators have signed on. democrats are not so keen. but the president likes it. this a day after his own executive order that would police the police, i guess. tim scott's measure would go even further than that. the president supports it. stay with us.

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neil: well, the pile-on on google and other companies and the spillover effect, if any, you're not seeing in stock prices today, i think that tends to be because wall street always feels these measures to rein these guys in, whether you feel that's justified or not, don't go anywhere. this justice department thing, though, looking right now at some of the protections granted these guys, this could be a different matter. hillary vaughn with more on that. hey, hillary. reporter: well, i want to flag a new report from the "financial times" from a few minutes ago that says that treasury

secretary steven mnuchin is now ditching negotiations to come up with a global digital tax, saying that discussions with european partners have hit an impasse and also telling those countries not to implement their own digital tax in the meantime, otherwise the u.s. will retaliate. but while big tech based here is dodging global taxes worldwide for now, they are looking to be more exposed as the doj, the "wall street journal" reports the doj is looking at ripping away legal protections that have given online platforms like facebook, twitter and google safe harbor from legal lash-out over how they moderate their platforms. a trump administration official tells the "journal" they want these tech companies to be more accountable for their content and more consistent in what they censor. it's not just the doj that's looking to crack down on big tech. congress is, too. senator josh hawley introducing a bill today to allow users to sue big tech. it would put companies on the hook for the users' legal fees

and also require them to cough up $5,000 in a fine. senator hawley saying today reports that google threatened to cut off ad revenue for a conservative news site the federalist over their content shows this is an abuse of power. >> this google thing, the federalist, you can't use our ad platform. google has a near monopoly on the ad platform. that would mean the federalist couldn't actually make any money, they couldn't have any access to revenue. so it's becoming more and more insidious. reporter: the doj is not just eyeing online content but offline content too. the doj filed a lawsuit against john bolton, trying to stop his new tell-all book from coming out, that details his experience as national security adviser under the trump white house. would improve his chances of getting re-election. the white house is worried about more coming out than the president's political motivations saying the book contains classified info and could threaten national

security. >> it's not about quote, protecting the president as the critics and naysayers do from the gargoyles on twitter all the time. it's really about protecting the nation. that's what i understand these review processes are. i will leave it to the department of justice to decide if that review process has been completely met. reporter: bolton's lawyer says they are looking at the doj's complaint and will respond in kind. neil? neil: hillary, thank you very very much. i alwaysking is on all of this, federal communications commission. commissioner joins now. commissioner, very good to have you. thank you for taking the time. i'm wondering when you hear all these stories and developments, whether it's the justice department, governments across the globe who want to rein in a lot of these big tech guys, particularly social media guys, and many in this country leading the charge, republicans and democrats, what signal is this sending? >> well, look, i think there's a

growing and bipartisan consensus to reform section 230 in the special unique liability protections that big tech enjoys. they have been trotting out a series of straw man arguments recently to try stloe tto slow reform efforts down. just yesterday google blew away one of their arguments, which is you can't hold websites liable or responsible for comments or user generated information. google itself made clear yesterday is holding websites accountable and responsible for the comment section. if that's true for google's ad policies that it applies to every other website, why shouldn't that same approach apply to google itself? neil: it seems that you suggested when your comments were first heard that yeah, open them up to liability, if that's the case, for taking that position. could you explain that? >> yeah. look, so big tech has made a big, big bet over the years.

that's if they cozy up to sort of leftist causes, they can keep progressives at bay, and that republicans will simply sit on their hands and take no action against them. i think their bluff is being called right now. we are seeing a lot of efforts going on not just in congress, not just at the fcc but as you talked about, the department of justice to look at antitrust action, competition issues with the immense power that google has accumulated in the search and ad markets. i think all the conduct we are seeing right now is strengthening the resolve for regulators in congress to take some sort of action here. neil: you know, not too long ago, i think you had come after twitter on the fact-checking the president thing. you had argued that that amounts to opinion journalism. do you think that the president should be held to a different standard than an average person because his words carry more weight, obviously, a lot more weight than anyone else's?

>> i think we need more information, more ideas, a diversity of views. i certainly don't think the president should be held to a more stringent standard than a lot of other world leaders, whether it's khomaini himself. a lot of people said you cannot touch 230 without resulting in less speech. that's simply not true. 230 itself talks about a policy promoting an empowering users to have tools to make their own decisions, make their own content moderation decisions. i think as we look at section 230, that should be a feature of the reform discussions. if big tech wants to keep their deal right now with these 230 protections, maybe they should let users opt out of their biased content moderation decisions. not saying they shouldn't do it but let people make the choice for themselves. i think you saw facebook do this recently with its political ad policy. people don't want to see political ads, click the button and opt out. we should empower users to do

this themselves rather than paternalistic approach of doing it for them. neil: in other words, someone's fact-checker might be someone else's biased observer. if you had your druthers, speaking for yourself, you are an influential player, to put it mildly, would you not have fact-checkers? >> i think we should turn off the bias filters. if you want msnbc to fact-check your feed before you see it, fine. click a button, do that. if you want fox business to check it before you see your feed, fine, click that button. i think that's really where we should go with theefrse efforts. let's empower people to make these decisions. do what 230 intended. give end users the tools to make these decisions for themselves. if you want no filtering, you just want the straight wild west twitter, let people have that choice. i think that's the best path forward. neil: all right. personally, commissioner, i want to phase out all the critical personal attacks that i get. some of them make me very very

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neil: charles payne makes news on his show, he's making big news today, one-on-one with the vice president of the united states who made some waves essentially saying there's not a second wave of the coronavirus. charles, look forward to watching it. what's your sense here? where was he coming from on that? health experts are arguing with him. what's the latest? charles: neil, i think, well, i didn't think, he really was pretty adamant about taking issues with the way this whole thing is being reported, and it

really feels more political with respect to zeroing in on red states and he breaks it down, he talks about exact counties, exact numbers and other things like that and also, how prepared because obviously, there will be an uptick as we reopen the economy nationwide. i think this is where he made some of the biggest news. i just got a small sound bite we can listen to. >> in a partnership with ford, with general motors, health care, with other great companies, we are well on our way to producing more than 110,000 ventilators in less than 100 days. even as we are seeing hospitalizations declining and we are seeing cases declining over the last two months despite a massive increase in testing. we are backfilling our strategic national stockpile, we are continuing to produce personal protective equipment for whatever the future holds.

charles: so you know, i think the question, though, and we all know listen, there's more testing so obviously you get more cases, but even as cases do rise organically, will we be prepared for it. that was the main gist i think we heard right there. neil: is there any concern, though, that you are getting from folks that, you know, spik spikes, better testing, i get all of that, but these other states like in texas, where icu beds are few and far between, that there might be something more to this than meets the eye, or is he not seeing that, collectively nationally that's not the case? charles: well, nationally that is not the case, but to your point, you know, this has been every state, every region has had its own issues and i think this is what's really the most important thing is how much work the administration's doing right now to prepare for that, to prepare for the inevitable

uptick. now, i think there's a difference in words, you know i'm a stickler for words just like you are. a lot of the media using the term spike in places where they went from 10 cases to 20 cases. yeah, that doubled but that's not really a spike per se. i think they are taking this thing very seriously. they want the economy to open. they want it to be effective and functional but they know that this is a challenge. everyone knows it's a challenge. i think the white house gets it, really gets it. neil: i look forward to -- you know, charles, what makes you so powerful is a lot of people, they go down to sit next to the vice president, talk to him and all, i like how you demand no, i'm going to stay in my library, you come to me, mr. vice president. goshdarn it. i'm kidding, i'm kidding. [ speaking simultaneously ] neil: way to go, my friend. i'm looking forward to it.

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exactly right about traffic earlier. the thing about people leaving their homes, they reemerge on the roads. i don't know if they call it armageddon or carmageddon but it's very close. kristina with more on that in new york city. reporter: i'm not sure, do you remember what traffic felt like? i know you are working from home, but it seems like a distant memory. it seems like a distant memory for a lot of people that are still working from home. they don't have to deal with the noise and the cars moving at a snail's pace. experts are warning possibly once these lockdowns have lifted completely across the nation, we could start to see more commuters and more cars on the road. why is that? public transit is down quite a bit. they are virtually empty as more people are working from home or a lot of people just don't feel comfortable getting into a subway or train. here in new york city, the mta is saying ridership on subways

is down 80% compared to last year at this time. which is why they are trying to remind people that it's very safe, they are trying to assure safety by having cleaning crews and even operating realtime filtration systems to make sure the air is clean. if you are wondering which cities would be the most affected, we have a list for you. this is from 2019. bragging rights goes to boston. last year they spent an extra 149 hours stuck in traffic. i'm sorry for everyone that lives in boston right now. those numbers followed very shortly by chicago as well as philadelphia but cities are trying desperately to get people back on to public transit systems, and the worst case scenario could mean another tax. listen in. >> one of the strategies that cities are looking at to keep traffic congestion from getting where we are paralyzed is congestion pricing. new york city is scheduled to

implement that in 2021. but other cities are beginning to look at pricing strategies to keep the traffic below gridlock levels. reporter: more taxes, traffic and that could fuel city dwellers in their mass exodus out of metropolitan cities. for the time being, i guess enjoy that commute to your bedroom, the kitchen, down the stairs, because the morning commute could get a lot messier. back to you. neil: it looks like that. thank you very much. kristina partsinevelos following the traffic. meanwhile, across the globe, greg palkot following what north korea could be up to here. lack of progress of talks, it blew up a facility in its own country. that's anger. greg has more from london. hey, greg. reporter: incredible stuff, neil. yeah, we told you about that yesterday. there's new provocations today. the provocations come, in fact, a day after pyongyang blew up a

building in the north korean town near the dmz used in the last two years as a liaison between north and south. new dramatic pictures showing what happened. empty at the time, thanks heavens. it was finished with making nice with the south. it was announced today the north will send troops closer to the dmz. forces had been withdrawing from border areas as have soldiers from the south as a good will gesture in the last few years. good will no more. seoul reciprocating with troop movement. and the increasingly powerful sister of north korean's leader announcing today pyongyang rejects an offer from seoul for them to send an envoy north to try and work out differences. our experts are saying the north basically is upset with the south for holding back on business deals which had been promised before diplomacy over its nuclear missile program stalled. finally, secretary of state pompeo is in hawaii today. he is meeting with his chinese

foreign policy counterpart. a lot of things on that agenda as your viewers well know. but it is reported they will be taking up north korea, both the u.s. and china in recent days have been trying to calm things down on both sides of the border. most experts say it is in nobody's interest, not even kim jong-un's, for this region to blow up again. back to you. neil: crazy stuff. thank you, my friend. greg palkot reporting on all this from london. we are monitoring stocks at the corner of wall and broad, trying to make four up days in a row, for the averages. we shall see. right now down 75. stay with us.

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♪. neil: all right. i don't know if the president would be intrigued by this feature but apparently twitter is testing a feature that allows users to tweet using they're voice. in other words you could say something, eggs and bacon this morning, types it out, hopefully spells it correctly but the world is going with voice activated stuff. like you can talk into your watch at all, does nothing. but that's the way the world is going. got to do the spell check thing, grammar, they're fastidious about that. you already know that. but i think that is a neat idea. we'll see how far that goes. twitter stock having no reaction

to this development but i think it's a big deal. big deal coming up. the vice president of the united states talking one-on-one with charles payne. the vice president had to come to him, that is what it makes it so special at least to me. charles payne to take you through the next hour, thank you, buddy. charles: i did have muffins, neil. i did get him well. neil: all righty. charles: good afternoon, everyone, i'm charles payne, this is "making money," breaking at this moment, yes, vice president pence warn as second coronavirus wave is not happening and president trump's leadership will keep it from not happening. my exclusive interview with the vice president coming up in a moment. major indices marking time. of the nasdaq is up for eight times in nine sessions is there too much money for this market to fall and where should you be riding the next market wave. google is under fire after it censors two conservative publications and the doj is ki