reported -- connell, as they reported a loss on the bottom line. long term it could be good news. back to you. connell: amazing how much has changed. thank you, gerri. jackie and i will see you tomorrow, thanks for watching. "lou dobbs tonight" starts right now. ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. if we begin with another -- we begin with another extraordinary, bizarre twist in the radical dems' and deep state's effort in the persecution of former trump national security adviser general michael flynn. clinton-appointed judge emmett suggest -- sullivan is now demanding the entire for d.c. court of appeals which overruled him, he wants them to rehear the decision from two weeks ago, a decision from that three-judge panel that, well, created an end to flynn's case. calling upon the judge to dismiss the case and move on. judge sullivan refuses to do what his bosses in judicial

terms told him. judge sullivan again proving he's a partisan activist trying to destroy the life of general flynn. and, by the way, not making the judiciary look any better. the d.c. court of appeals doesn't have to take up the judge's request. we'll see what happens. judge sullivan's decision follows a major day at the supreme court, a day of important victories again for president trump. the justices closed out their term by delivering split opinions on two cases concerning the release of president trump's tax returns and financial records. in separate rulings, justices delivered a victory for president trump in blocking the radical dems in congress from having access to the president's financial records. at the same time, the high court also ruled president trump -- nor does any president in their ruling -- have absolute immunity from prosecution, as if that was the issue. and the ruling by the court is

that manhattan's activist, left-wing democrat cy vance, the manhattan district attorney, can have access to those documents and subpoena his tax returns from his accounting official in this instance. a contradictory and, again, extraordinary ruling from a court that has obviously simply if left its moorings. white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany focused on the radical left's coordination with the radical dems, in this case the manhattan d.a., as they work to harass and subvert president trump. >> justice thomas noted that the district attorney for the county of new york, cyrus vance, served a subpoena on the president's personal accounting firm that, quote: was merely identical to a subpoena issued by a congressional committee requesting nearly ten years of the president's financial records. so the partisan attorney, the democrat from the new york, is

aiding and abetting the democrats, lawless democrats like nancy pelosi who have pursued this president with bogus charges of collusion, with bogus charges in the impeachment inquiry and are now pursuing this and assisted by cy vance. lou: president trump today making his displeasure if with those rulings very clear, indeed. >> the rulings were basically sending everything back down to the lower courts and to start all over again. so from a certain point, i'm satisfied. from another point i'm not satisfied because this is a political witch hunt the likes of which nobody's ever seen before. it's a pure witch hunt, it's a hoax. just like the mueller investigation was a hoax that i won, and this is another hoax. this is purely political. lou: the president likes the word "hoax." i prefer the word "overthrow." they're trying to overthrow the president of the united states.

they're trying to block his very agenda. they are trying to dismiss him as president of the united states with these ridiculous rulings in which they would allow a local district attorney to prosecute a sitting president of the united states. that is idiotic, absolutely idiotic, and there is no basis whatsoever in either law or reason to have come to that conclusion. only one reason, and that has everything to do with politics. president trump today also railing against corrupt members of the obama administration. they were caught spying on his 2016 campaign, they were caught spying on his presidency. they have yet to face any form of accounting or justice. and he tweeted this in part: we have a totally corrupt previous administration including a president and vice president who spied on my campaign and got caught, and nothing happens to them.

this crime was taking place even before my election. everyone knows it, yet all are frozen stiff with fear. u.s. attorney john durham leading the investigation of the origins of spygate, obamagate, and fox news reports today he is also facing heightened pressure to finish his investigation by the end of the summer; read, before the election in november. sources now say if durham fails to complete the remaining lines of his investigation, he might wait until after the election to reveal his findings. that would be unconscionable. president trump today signed an executive order to improve access to educational and economic opportunity. president trump highlighted the achievements of the hispanic community under his

administration. >> before the plague from china came in, you know what that is, that's the china virus. before it came in and hit us, we achieved the lowest hispanic-american unemployment rate and the lowest poverty rate ever recorded. [applause] we achieved the highest ever incomes for hispanic-americans and many other american groups. under our leadership -- [applause] the hispanic-american high school graduation rate has reached an all-time high in the historically of our country. -- history of our country. as long as i'm president, i will never let you down, i will never let his hispanic-american or any american down, that i can tell you. [applause] lou: good for president trump. and he is working to bring back jobs for hispanic-americans as well and all who are out of work because of the can china virus pandemic. today it was announced that 1.3

million americans had applied for initial jobless claims. that number represents a 14-week decline. more americans beginning to go back to work. it is a real sign of a strong trajectory for recovery. an wall street stocks were mixed. the dow fell 361 points. the s&p fell 18, but the nasdaq hit yet another record close, up 55 points on the day. and volume on the big board, 4.9 billion shares traded. crude oil lost more than 3%, breaking below $40 to $39.52 a barrel. a reminder, listen to my reports three times a day coast to coast on the salem radio network. well, a new report today claimed some of president trump's aides are trying to hold him back from fighting culture wars as part of his re-election strategy. politico wrote with that advisers are pushing president trump to focus instead on the

economy and law and order, ignore china, ignore the culture wars. but president trump is once again showing he knows his voters best. in a new interview with real clear politics, the president says this: we are in a culture war. if the republicans don't tough it out and get smart and get strong and protect our heritage and protect our country, i think they're going to have a very tough election. i think he is exactly right. president trump also making it clear where he stands ahead of the election in november and how he will differentiate himself from the radical ideology of, well, left-wing joe biden. the former vice president already allowing the socialist agenda of bernie sanders to infiltrate his agenda. the two releasing a host of radical policy recommendations for the democratic national committee and soon its platform. sanders says if biden follows

those recommendations, he'll be the most progressive president since fdr. here's what that progressive platform sounds like. >> are you in the rain? or is that not rain? if where's the wilmington -- the delaware state news? i mean, delaware newsroom, i should say is. that's my hometown team. i better call on them. my team and your team already working closely together to light up the path forward here. critical laws like the pro act to strengthen collective bargaining, on politics like prevailing -- look, yes, i'm taking too much -- you're a lying dog -- >> that you are subject to -- >> and i can hardly wait to compare my cognitive capability to the cognitive capability of the man i'm running against. thank you so much. lou: we turn now to ed rollins, top strategist for great america

pac, former reagan white house political director, fox business political analyst. ed, we're watching joe biden turn to the left and turn hard. he may make bernie sanders look like a moderate before this is over. what -- how does president trump exploit this extraordinary radical left turn on the part of the democrat party's nominee? >> there's two things the president has to do. one, he has to be focused 100% on the economy, get this economy moving again. argue that he did it once, he can do it again. and, obviously, do something about the virus are. he has to get the is virus out of the way as best he can and be as helpful as he can even though it's now a state and local problem as opposed to a national. don't get distracted. don't get into a hundred different things. stay very focused on what he did, what he ran are four years ago, getting people back to work. it's very key now. basically, fighting the virus.

it's about leadership. lou: and he e and that campaign in 2016, he kicked everyone's butt who got in his way. this is a more constrained president trump. china, how big an issue should he make it because it is awfully, awfully big for us as a nation. >> i think he has talked about it all the way through, and he's going to continue. but the reality is the voters he has to go after at this point in time, he's lost a little bit of senior voters, they're very concerned about the virus. people going back to work are very worried about jobs, obviously, you know, china into that. but the key thing here is he has to show strength. this is about leadership. joe biden sitting in the rain today listening to the birds children in the background, i watched that speech with birds chirping all through it is not going to make anything that's going to change the dynamics. he's just the alternative. if you don't want trump, he's the alternative. trump has the ball. he can run with it, he can score big points if he stays focused. he has to stay focused though.

lou: ed rollins, as always, thank you very much. good to see you. up next, new york city mayor bill de blasio ignores the surge of retiring cops in histy as he paints -- his city as he paints a city street in support of black lives matter. what the --? we'll take it up with former nfl great and congressional candidate burgess owens. and a reminder e my new book, "the trump century," it's available for preorder. it's coming out in the fall. it's now available at the trump century.com for preorder. please go there and, well, help yourself to as many copies as you would like to order. stay with us, we're coming right back. ♪ izes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? given my unique lifestyle, that'd be perfect! let me grab a pen and some paper. know what? i'm gonna switch now. just need my desk...

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lou: well, the u.s. army says they ma mistake in distributing a handout that labeled the phrase "make america great again" an example of white supremacy. this from the united states army, they made a mistake. the handout invited soldiers and civilian personnel at the army's arsenal in huntsville, alabama, to attend seminars entitled, quote, operation inclusion. i mean, this is outrageous.

somebody should be fired, and i would start with the secretary of the army, maybe the secretary of defense. i mean, this is ignorance. the handout, featuring slides with what it considered examples of white supremacy, they include celebration of columbus day. talk about mindless, reactionary fools. few -- my god! if -- the celebration of american exceptionalism can't be tolerated. the phrase all lives matter, you can't say that if you're in the army. the army's since recalled those handouts and launched an investigation into how it happened. that'll take them seven months at the rate this army is doing things of late. hopefully, they can break that down to maybe a couple of days. what do you think? well, breaking tonight, the leftist city of seattle holding a racially-segregated training session last month. does that sound like we're going forward or backward? if separating races?

as they instructed white city staffers to undo their whiteness and that racism isn't all their fault, but they are responsible. i mean, this, this country is going nuts. certainly seattle is. other things the white is city staffers were toll by their superiors in seattle, they to -y have to give up in order to, quote, be aecom -- accomplices for racial justice. good lord! gash teed physical safety at times, control over other people. relationships with other white people and accepting jobs and promotions when not qualified. good lord. new york city's version of seattle is led by the socialist mayor bill de blasio who today took part in the painting of a black lives mural on new york's fifth avenue right in front of

trump tower, purely coincidental, don't you think in his endorsement of the marxist movement comes as 179 new york police department officers filed for retirement between june 29 and july 6th, a 411% increase over the same period a year ago. the cops have had a bellyful of this, this mayor and the nonsense that he is, well, leading in this city. and this is a city in pain. and an overwhelming number of retirement applications has caused the department to limit the number of retirement applications allowed each day. think about that. there's a limit on who can retire. [laughter] it's, you know, hotel california stuff. you can get in but you can't get out. joining me now, burgess owens, super bowl champion, nfl player,

republican candidate for utah's 4th district. he won the primary last week, and we are delighted to have you with us, burgess. what is your reaction to the black lives mural, this mantra now that is falling on the lips of everyone in media, it seems, and the radical dems? black lives matter and you go to hell if you say all lives matter. >> well, lou, first of all, good talking with you again. this is the reason why i'm running. burgess for utah, by the way. yeah, what we're seeing, we've been talking about -- [audio difficulty] because they are frantic, because they realize the curtain's about to be pulled back. they realize the election of purpose and recouping the house and senate, the days are done. these guys are frantic. but we also understand this is the stuff we've been going after for decades. we have right now in leadership people going throughout our marxist laboratories of these colleges. so we still have a small group

of power that runs those things that really runs our lives. but the american people are smart enough. we are drawn toward freedom. we hate tyranny, it's in our dna, and i can promise you, lou, this is a time that democrats, republicans and independents that love america need to start having a conversation. this is crazy, this is nuts. even though they might not come out and say it, the fact that all lives matter should not be a topic that we should be debating. any common sense, any nation -- particularly our nation -- that's all been about freedom and service, we all know that all lives matter. only the leftists, the godless would make that an issue. if we're going to come off the this, i just have so much faith in the american people. we're going to get it. and those guys, they're frantic, they're going crazy because they know how close it is to coming to an end. lou: yeah. and i agree with you. i'm very, about as optimistic as anyone can be, but also that

optimism of mine at least is based on people who are strong and courageous enough to step forward and put themselves on the line in the arena, like burgess owens. you know, without, without people with that kind of strength and character, i mean, you look at capitol hill right now, and i'm only going to point my hand towards the rino republicans. my god, burgess, they're quiet. they sit on their hands. they get run over by the left. and, by the way, in that they've become enablers. they're complicit with this madness and permitting it. in point of fact, they end up supporting it de facto. >> yeah, you're right. and only we know the difference because we have a president who's such a historic difference from the way it's been done in the past. those that have gone along, enabled and men let'sist, lou, look what's happened to the black community. i've been a republican for 30 years, i've never seen the

program -- blacks that are old, young with, rich, poor if, we're leaving the plantation. that's what scares the left so much. if we're an indication of where our country's going, we're going to be okay. we just have to keep hopeful, keep focused, be engaged. don't let people keep you from going to the polls. get your votes done. we have to be out there competing at the polls. that's what it comes down to. lou: and competing at the polls is, in my opinion, burgess, exactly what this set all of this i off, it's the reason black lyes matter became -- lives matter became so energized. exactly the moment that president trump's approval rating amongst african-americans in this country went above 20%, that's when all hell broke loose, and i think you're exactly right. >> can i just say this? lou: yeah, sure. >> the dawn is coming.

america needs to understand. we're always hopeful, and we fight when there's a battle to be fought. we're going to win this. the leftists will lose at the end of the day, so just keep hopeful. lou: absolutely. and, please, sure as hell, everybody, keep fighting. burgess owens, good luck. thanks for being here and congratulations again on your victory. up next, will we see john durham's report, his investigation of spygate, obamagate before the election? before the end of summer? or there something at work here holding back that conclusion? john solomon joins me here next right after these quick messages. please stay with us. ♪ ♪ okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%.

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those radical dems and the deep state to continue to try to overthrow his presidency and subvert his agenda. we're joined now by john solomon if, award-winning investigative reporter, editor-in-chief of "just the news." john, great to have you with us. >> thank you, lou. lou: i've got to start with john durham. >> yeah. lou: you and i have talked about this, this show has been pointing out that this judiciary, this justice department slow-rolling the american people. it isn't just the radical dems on capitol hill. this is a major act, in my judgment with, of treason. and i mean that not in the legal sense, but they're betraying the damn country. and it's nothing less than that. the idea, as they floated out today, that john durham would not have an investigation ready by the end of of the summer as the attorney general himself suggested strongly that they would do, it now may fall to

after the election. that is criminal. that is just criminal, in my opinion. i want to hear yours. >> yeah, listen, i've seen a lot of activity over the last three or four months showing that they're building a criminal case. i think there's going to be a pretty the baby sort of solution here, and that is that there may be some actions around labor day, a handful of of indictments or a plea bargain that comes out that begins to tell the story. but there is a little bit of a rope-a-dope, and i think sending flares this is going to carry past the election. based on the evidence i'm seeing, witnesses being interviewed, talk, documents changing hands, that there is still the possibility of some indictments, some criminal action in september. and, you know, some of the excuses we hear don't make sense. all right, it was covid, there aren't grand juries. well, a grand jury was able to indict in new york last week.

it can't be that hard to get this done, and lord knows the evidence is standing in public. the case has already been made in public. lou: well, i mean, what we're really hearing from this attorney general and this justice department is that this isn't a priority, to know who tried to overthrow the president of the united states, to hold accountable justice department officials, intense community officials and department and agency leaders within that i.c. and, frankly, how many people in the white house were involved, how many people in the white house were actually controlling spygate and the greatest scandal in this country's pretty if call history. -- political history. i mean, this is as nonsensing call, as you put it, this is nonsensical. ghislaine maxwell is more damn important than getting to the root of a massive political corruption in the federal government? my god, man -- >> yeah.

lou: this is outrageous on every level. >> yeah. listen, i talk to people all across the country who are dropping their heads -- scratching their heads wondering what's going on. i do believe the attorney general has made this a top priority. john durham's been digging in. but remember, they still rely on the same bureaucracy that gave us these first cases, and i think there's a little bit of a rope a done going on, and it's -- rope-a-dope, and it's time to set a deadline and get it done. lou: let's talk about the bureaucracy. the deep state extends, obviously, to the supreme court. this, these decisions today, making available to the d.a. of manhattan, cy vance, a left-winger in absolute coordination and orchestration with the radical dems on capitol hill can proceed with a subpoena of the accounting firm for the president and get his tax records, and the supreme court

ruling at the same time congress cannot. i mean, who in the hell do they think they're kidding? they're one and the same. >> they are some head-scratchers, right? lou: well, you've got a lot of head scratching going on, josh. >> i do. i'm losing my hair because of if it. [laughter] lou: i am so sick of looking at this, you know, nonsense and people saying, well, you know, what the hell, we'll catch it next quarter, or we'll do something maybe next year. >> yeah. lou: who the hell is this justice department to say it takes this long to do a damn investigation? they have killed every investigation, killed every opportunity the at getting to the truth, and we're damn fools to put up with it, in my judgment. let's go on with it -- [inaudible conversations] >> the frustration is legitimate. i understand it because i hear it from lots of people in many different corners. i just came back from wisconsin where i heard a lot of this, why does it take so long to get these issues resolved? why can't you bring people to

justice? hasn't happened. lou: the judiciary, do you believe it's as corrupt as every other part of the justice department and the fbi? >> well, listen, i think all of our institutions this used to be apolitical have shown increasing signs of politics whether it's pete strzok's e-mails, judge emmet sullivan's rope-a-dope and not dismissing the case against flynn. you're seeing apolitical agencies dripping with politics, and that's bad for the future of america's democracy. there's no doubt about it. lou: yeah. you know, we've seen a lot of people in the streets here lately. ooh -- i'm thinking it's starting to look like all americans are going to have to get in the street to be taken seriously. it's really asinine to see what we are witnessing with the left-wing media trying to control speech and thought, the left in this country trying to dismember this great nation of ours and people sitting around going, well, what the hell, you know?

maybe we'll figure it out in time. it's, it's time now, i believe, john. i hope you do as well. >> the american people have the ultimate weapon. when they go to that ballot box in november or when they mail in their ballot in september, they have a chance to take back their country, and i think that's what this election is about. it's a choice about the america we've come to love and enjoy and positive per in and an america that will be run by anarchists. i think that's what's at stake in this election. lou: yeah. might as well anarchists, all the people wanting vote by mail instead of following an election filled with both safeguards and integrity. john solomon, as always, good to talk with you. i feel all better. pretty much. up next, white house chief of staff mark meadows joins us with reaction to today's supreme court rulings. we'll be talking with him, also how quickly can the united states decouple from china? the hudson institute's michael

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have you with us on the broadcast. especially on what seems to be a fairly average news day -- [laughter] that is, a day filled with developments, events and chock full of news. it's good to see you and thanks for being here. >> great to be with you, lou. lou: thanks so much, mark. the president issuing an executive order on hispanic prosperity. no president has done more than he has to assure the prosperity of hispanic-americans. do you believe that he gets sufficient credit for achieving the lowest unemployment rate ever for hispanic-americans, the highest level of employment and the list goes on? >> well, the list does go on, lou. sadly, not only does he not get credit, but he gets the exact opposite as a narrative from the mainstream media. i mean, when you look at not only what he's done for hispanic and latino employment levels, but really the way that he's engaged.

yesterday i was with him, with the mention e can president, and to see -- mexican president, and to see the support he had from what was supposed to be his adversary really being articulated each and every day, that's a key. but it doesn't surprise me because each and every day, lou, you know that washington, d.c. has one job, and that's to try to make sure that they undermine this president. not work with him -- [laughter] and 16 blocks away on capitol hill they're always fast at work, if they do work, the tie to make sure that they undermine the president. we're not going to stand for it. we're going to continue to work hard with executive orders. i just left the oval office a few minutes ago where we're talking about exe ty order -- executive orders that actually will make a big difference. lowering prescription drug prices. this president going to do three different executive orders that will substantially make sure that the average american gets to pay less for their prescription drugs. lou: well, that's good news for

all americans, in point of fact. and i have to say to you i thought i was for a moment wrong about lopez obrador. i truly believe that he and the president -- believed that he and the president would be important partners, i really did, before his election, lopez obrador's. and the fact is they got off to a rough start. but to see them now working together as partners on illegal immigration, on tackling the drug cartels, the mexican drug cartels, doing so much together, it is a very hopeful moment in the relationship between the two countries, and it's got to drive the left wing, again, nuts in this country that those two men are full-on partners, and they have a mature, balanced relationship between their nations along with canada that people didn't imagine possible. >> well, i don't know that i imagined it possible. i can tell you as a relationship

built on knew chul respect, i had dinner last night with the president of mexico's chief of staff, a business guy who understands that what's good for america good for the entire region not just for american citizens. and as we had that discussion, it was very eye-opening that it was the president's personal appeal to their, to mexico's president that actually made a big difference. and we talk about border security, we talked about economic prosperity. and ultimately, that's a story that most in the mainstream media would like to ignore. but this president has been not only engaging there, but around the world doing what's best for americans and really keeping an america first policy initiative. lou: yeah. and the left-wing national media doesn't much, mark, like to give this president credit for the usmca which replaced nafta and

created balanced, reciprocal trade amongst the three -- >> right, and, lou, they said it couldn't be done. they said it couldn't be done, lou. lou: yeah. >> i mean, nafta, which i was not in favor of being from north carolina. we saw so many jobs disappear overnight, and yet they said it couldn't be done. this is not only a historic deal, but it's possibly the largest trade deal that we've ever had to do and negotiate in very difficult circumstances. lou: well, there are nothing but difficult suckers for this president, it e seems -- circumstances for this president, it seems. we'll be back with mark meadows right after these quick messages. mark has been kind enough to stay with us for further discussion on a host of issues. mark meadows with us. stay with us, we'll be right back. ♪ i wish i could shake your hand. granted.

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♪ ♪ lou: we're back with the president's chief of staff the, mark meadows. and, mark, i get to do something that i can say exactly what i mean on this broadcast. the supreme court is acting like a bunch of squirrels. i mean, they're out of control. and to rule simultaneously that a local d.a. can have is access to a president's tax information

through his accounting firm while the congress of the united states cannot, every, you know, every local d.a. in the country could persecute a president, a sitting president. it's mindless. what -- your thoughts. >> well, i can tell you, obviously, we're in a different branch and perhaps not as free to express our personal opinions as you might there -- lou: right. >> but i can say this, this was nothing more than setting up a fishing expedition for every local d.a. across the country. i would call it the presidential harassment decision. if you look at it on its face as they remanded it back to lower courts, hopefully we'll see a little bit different opinion coming out of that. and they did put in a few caveats that would say you can't just harass the president, but you and i both know that that's what congress has been doing, that's how this originated -- lou: that's all that congress has been doing. >> listen, they're not passing

anything that matters to moms and dads or aunts and uncles on main street. what they're really doing about trying to affect the november elections by trying to conduct, quote, oversight that really is more weaponizing the oversight committee, and it's just a shame. lou: so help me out on this, peeking of doing something -- speaking of doing something to mess up the elections again as they did in 2018, now we hear that john durham may not have any charges ready by the end of the summer. and if he doesn't, that he probably wouldn't bring charges at all until after the election which, as i just said to john solomon, i mean, that's just criminal conduct on the part of our justice department. it's -- the justice department led by this president. what the hell is going if on over there? >> well, there's two things, two ways things happen here in washington d.c. that's slow and never.

and i can tell you that, hopefully, on this particular if case it's more a case of being slow and judicious. i can say that we don't have a whole lot of visibility into the timing or what may or may not happen. i do have visibility from my previous job in terms of what john durham a may be reviewing, and i -- it's very, very damning. when we look at the kind of evidence that i've been able to see, the kind of investigation i believe that he is conducting, what we'll ultimately see is justice will prevail. you know, you can't rush these things. but i think for most americans, myself included, i think we should are had justice months and years ago. and for it to be suggested that we may have to wait another year is just, very, very disappointing. lou: absolutely. and frustrating and annoying as hell, if i may say for myself.

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♪. lou: joining us tonight is dr. michael pillsbury. he is the director for the center for chinese strategy at the hudson institute.

good to have you with us. let's start with those carriers in the south china sea. we heard andy biggs, congressman andy biggs say esper may be in the wrong job because we're getting very little press coverage what is happening out there. i suggested that he remind the defense secretary that we have combat photographers in every branch who could be bringing us video and reporting on what's out there. your thoughts? -- on importance. >> obama's secretary of defense ash carter, went out to one much carriers in a exercise just like this, lou, south china sea, he made a speech looking at china from the deck of the carrier with a large number of media photographers there, while he ordered china to obey united nations and the law of the sea. so that is quite a contrast with now, sort of a press blackout. we also see the chinese media

implying that the americans notified china advance of this exercise. now we're not supposed to do that usually. usually we can do an exercise on the high seas without seeking permission or notifying the host government. so if that happened it implies sort of a gesture of goodwill toward the china in the middled of these difficult times. that is very strange, lou. lou: it also implyies, subordination in point of fact preceeding as a supplicant, to see whether or not freedom of navigation can be in fact defended by the united states. if he did that, if the defense department did that, they ought to be fired on the spot because otherwise, what is the point of this exercise if it is not to assert freedom of navigation and to make it very clear that we're going to have a strong presence? this is asinine. this is -- the president

promised smart government. we've got some really dumb people running the defense department in a number of levels, in a number of quarters. do you think i'm wrong? >> well, there is no doubt the chinese media is suggesting to the world we're they're for these exercises with china's permission at their pleasure. that surprised me. they often complain about the a surprise, the americans didn't seek commission. in this case there seems to be notification of to china advance. lou: your thoughts about the effectiveness of the exercises as best you understand what's happening because there is effectively a news -- make this clear for the white house and everyone in government. right now the national left-wing media is a firewall for the radical dems and the deep state. they are keeping as much from the american people as they possibly can all this

administration and this president is doing. no one in that white house should be surprised that they're going to have to be inventive, innovative, and by god, charge ahead to get the story out about this president's successes and what is being accomplished and achieved, whether it's hispanic prosperity or our carrier groups in the south china sea. don't you a agree? >> i agree. it's a source of pride, lou, two carriers together. that is wartime way, two carriers operate together. not just as one. this should be a source of pride for the united states, not coverup. lou: dr. michael pillsbury, we're short on time. we'll make it up to you. reminder of my new book, the tremendous century, how the president changed the course of america forever. thetrumpcentury.com, we recommend it to you highly.

that is it for us. tomorrow night, house minority leader kevin mccarthy. pastor robert jeffress with us as well. good night from sussex. ♪ elizabeth: stocks ending fractionally to the downside. covid concern. supreme court ruling that new york prosecutors could see trump's tax returns and records but there could be delays. court ruled the congress cannot get trump's tax returns for now. republican tom mcclintock of house judiciary, he is fired up and outraged by nancy pelosi and adam schiff ripping into the blasting the high court from blocking them from getting trump tax returns. mcclintock is ready to go on democrats trying to destroy trump for years in order to keep thei