federal agencies and every single one had a power to stop a project. anytime you went to an agency they had the power to stop it. and it would stop the project, not only stop it, right in its tracks, it would stop it. with our reforms, there will be one quick and fair decision. we're going to give every project a clear answer yes or no. yes or no. the two year process were just to submit is two years is not acceptable t will be very quick yes or no. after study, but the studies will go quickly, and they will go simultaneously. so if you're in numerous agencies you're all going at the same time. instead of waiting for one, for two, for three, and often times you go through one it would take you six months. then you have to wait 90 days, then you have a review period. then you start the second one. and now you go for another four months and then you wait 90 days, you have a review period.

and sometimes you had to go through nine, 10, 12, different agencies. so even if you did absolute rapid it was many, many years before you could even think about starting it. we have up here, by the way, that's a chart of the old system and the new system. i think the new system is better. [applause] i think it is better not only in time, i think it is better in terms of the process. i think it is better in terms of the importance from an environmental and safety standpoint. but take a look at that. this is what you had to go through, in fact it was much more dramatic when i first came up with this, about a year ago. we took that and we rolled it out, it was so dramatic t kept going and going. the difference is that, so many of those steps you had to wake before you could even think about going to the next one. you had to gut full approvals. any one of those colors where there was a problem or a rejection meant it was dead.

and now you go through this very simple but very comprehensive solution. it is a beautiful thing, especially if you understand construction and building and other things beyond building like i do. at the same time, we'll maintain america's gold standard environmental protections. the united states will continue to have among the very cleanest air and cleanest water on earth which we do now. we have the cleanest we ever had, meaning ever. meaning i guess in the last 40 years. i assume that 200 years ago it was cleaner. i can imagine it was very clean a couple hundred years ago, brian. they will say, i'm careful with the fake news media because if i say that, we have the cleanest water we ever had, they say what about 200 years ago before anybody touched the lake, when the lake was a beautiful virgin lake, nobody ever touched it. yeah, they got me on that one, don't they, huh? i have become extremely careful. i always say, probably they're

talking about 35, 40 years, something like that. if it is any different from that, media, we will, look at all those people back there, any different than that we will report to you. we will make an amendment. we will, we'll never make a correction. i don't like doing that. one of the first projects accelerated by these reforms willing the planned expansion of i-75 right here in georgia. that is honor of your wife, in honor of marti, in honor of marti. they have been looking to do that for many years, right? the governor will get it done. the expansion will add 77 new lane miles of commercial vehicles, like those driven by ups, saving drivers countless hundreds of hours a year. with us a julian paulk, a teamster. i know the teamers very well, who drives this route often. julian, please come up to tell

your story, please, thank you. [applause] >> good afternoon. hi, my name is julian paulk aft great honor. i'm especially grateful for my wife being with me today, of 14 years. [applause] i spent the first 16 years of my career driving a package cargoing from house to house, but in my last three years i've been in the big-rigs, mostly on 75 and throughout 75 we have a approximately 765 trucks in metro atlanta. 64 of those travel from mcdonnell to macon, georgia, 100 miles round-trip, with the congestion it is hard to get

there, creating time commits. every time i loaded my truck, whether it was medical equipment, a gift to someone, a loved one, that time in transit was very important. so with this infrastructure is very important to me and all of my fellow upsers because the investment in our roads and bridges reduced congestion and opened up -- connell: live from atlanta, georgia, you're watching president trump's remarks on infrastructure, talking about as he has many times in the past cutting red tape and he put it, job-killing regulation. the stock market closed up, the dow higher by 227 points. with that, welcome to the show. good to be with you as always. i'm connell mcshane. melissa: and i am melissa francis. and this is "after the bell." keep going, guys. we are, sorry? all right. we're going to go to edward lawrence who has more now on

what the president has been doing through the day. edward? reporter: yeah, the president also we're talking about the big news of the day. the market is grabbing on to, we had the pull of the market between positive and negative. positive of the vaccine. the negative of u.s. china relations, tensions that sort of increased there but the positive won out today. you see the market finishing up 227 points there. the market is up because moderna says all 45 patients that got their trial vaccine created the necessary anti-bodies in their system to get rid of the virus. in addition, none of those people had serious long-term side-effects this is very important for doctors. what happens now? on july 27th, moderna gives it to 30,000 people to see if that next sample size has the same outcome. the speed which this is happening, things to demand of billions of dollars on the table of profits. federal government is also putting up money. here is the president from his news conference about this

topic. >> through operation warp speed we will deliver a vaccine in record breaking time. we're doing very well on the vaccines. we have many, many different vaccines being studied right now. many of which are looking really good. and we're ready to distribute the vaccine when we get it. we're all set. reporter: and having the promising vaccine for moderna go into phase three trials at the end of july and also a vaccine from astrazeneca in the uk. they're working on phase three trials. that bodes well for having a vaccine by the end of the year. administration official says four to six weeks from right now, they could have be manufacturing the vaccine before it is approved because companies have the confidence in the product. u.s. wants 100 million doses by the end of this year. melissa: wow that is exciting

step. edward thanks so much for that. connell. connell: melissa, while the president was talking, we talked about the market closed up higher for the day. the major averages however below their session highs. lauren simonetti with the wrap-up on the day on wall street. lauren? lauren: connell, stocks rose on hopes of a vaccine as edward was explaining. look at the dow, it is up 228 points on the day. it is up four days in a row. nasdaq erased earlier losses, by 62. s&p 500 so close to returning to positive territory 2020. the juice for the market was moderna. pfizer also starting a phase three trial for its vaccine. astrazeneca not far behind. those stocks up in a big way. travel stocks would benefit for a return to normal. look at this, united up 15%. royal caribbean, up 21%. want to talk to you about three dow stocks in the news,

goldman sachs blowout quarter. recent chaos in the market and all the volatility boosted trading activity. investors are concerned that success can't be repeated in the second half of the year so while goldman did close up by more than one% it closed off its highs of the session. the worst performer of the dow is united health. it warned of higher costs in the second half of the year. that overshadowed net income that actually doubled last quarter versus last year. it is ironic united health saved money because fewer people went to the doctor, fewer people had surgeries because of the pandemic. that demand is returning to near normal levels. united health is down. apple, major winner. the european union second highest court overturned a 2016 ruling that apple pay $15 billion in back taxes to ireland. the court said there wasn't enough evidence to prove the irish government gave apple a sweetheart tax deal. apple is a winner. closed on record high. that helped nasdaq overcome a

earlier downturn. nasdaq is up two days in a row. it is .6% away from record close. connell, ba to you. connell: i figured irish government gives everybody a sweetheart tax deal. thank you. lauren. melissa. melissa: here for reaction to the president's speech and everything else today is steve moore. he is an economist at freedomworks. steve, that was vintage trump we were listening to at the top of the hour. i hope you can hear me. that was really see his sincere enthusiasm talking about building, talking about construction. he is naming a specific road that he wants to expand, i-75. you heard cheers. there is nothing you like more when you get more highway in your area, makes your traffic run a lot more smoothly. do you think we're going to see more of that type of thing? >> well, hi, melissa, good to be with you and that was a vintage donald trump speech. we remember when he ran for

president in 2016 he talked about the dismal state of american infrastructure and potholes in the roads and the fact that some bridges and roads haven't been fixed for so many decades. so this is a issue that trump has promised on for four years now. we are starting to see some of these construction projects all over the country. it needs to happen. the other thing he talked about though, i thought was really interesting, melissa, all of the impediments to building roads and building airports and other, you know, projects that involve infrastructure which is the environmental delays, the incredible regulations, that he said could add, 10, i think he said at one point even 20 years of delays. that he says he will streamline that whole process so we get these things built quickly. that is almost more important than the money. melissa: it is. i did like that part. he said single approval process. can you imagine something like

that, just a single approval s that realistic? is that something in place now? is that something he promising for the next administration? do you have more color on that specific detail? >> well here's what i think is likely to happen, melissa. is trump is going to through executive order try to override some of these regulations. of course congress will try to step in to impede him from doing so. you're looking a potential showdown between the congress and the president. in fact some of these regulations were passed by independent regulatory agencies but some of them were passed by acts of congress. incidentally there is a related issue really important to this which is what happened in the last week or two with pipelines. when you talk about vital infrastructure we need in this country, probably nothing more than we need more urgently than pipelines so we get the oil and gas from pennsylvania and west virginia and north dakota to other parts of the country. we're so behind.

i don't know if you saw, a couple of the big pipeline projects in the last couple of weeks have either been canceled or delayed because of environmental, environmentalists roadblocks. that's a big part of the infrastructure scheme that we need to put in place. melissa: okay. so going back to what you said at the finishing of that, so he is going to say i will push through a road really quickly and congress will say no, you may not build that nice road in that state, you think that is really going to happen? >> yeah i do. especially, i don't think there is any question the house democrats will go after trump. he doesn't care about endangered species. doesn't care about, whatever the objection might be so absolutely. the reason i brought up pipelines is that because that is what they have done with the pipelines. if we have these kinds of regulations we now have on pipelines we wouldn't have been able to build the interstate highway system. we need to streamline these

regulations there is no reason that a road project can't be completed in three years, rather than five or 10 or 15 years. this is going to be a conflict between the democrats in congress and president trump. melissa: real quick, one more, so he is a master of messaging. he gets up there, we're looking at him on the screen, he has huge ups boxes behind him, everyone in america is getting everything shipped to them by box but the first speak he came up to join him, he brought up the truck driver, not the ceo of ups, not the regional manager, as i understand, the gentleman stood up at the microphone, i've been driving a big-rig. what i would like to see more highway. this is exciting. i mean that was, that was very clever political, if you're cynical, like i am be are you saying that was a very clever political move? >> by the way, this wasn't by

accident. this was because the whole theme of president trump's re-election campaign is, i am the blue-collar president. i'm the one who cares about blue-collar jobs. i will save oil and gas jobs. i want to make sure we have trucking jobs, manufacturing jobs. by the way, melissa, you saw this morning, we got great numbers on manufacturing and industrial production. that will be the theme. trump caring about those blue-collar workers. those rot people who got him eelected the first time. melissa: thanks for breaking down the message behind the message what we're hearing at the beginning of the show. we appreciate that. connell, over to you. connell: melissa, virus news to come with 45 states facing a spike in new cases, reported, compared to one week ago. this is florida reports a grim new milestone. texas officials are now warning that some hospitals there are on the brink. we'll talk to a top medical advisor to the texas governor

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connell: here is a "fox business alert." we just received from the grocery store chain, kroger. it announced it will require all customers coming into its stores to wear masks when coming into the store starting on july 22nd. today is the 15th. this, melissa follows a similar announcement came in this morning from walmart. melissa: so funny because we have to do that here everywhere we go. it is funny to hear other places aren't doing it. the new pandemic epicenter, florida, reopening or sorry, reporting a record number of covid-19 deaths and 10,000 new infections. the number of total cases has surpassed 300,000. fox news's phil keating in miami with the details. phil? reporter: melissa, about 30% of coronavirus tests here in

miami-dade county are coming back positive. that is roughly one in three people getting a test. of course you mentioned, the state of florida now with more than 300,000 covid case since it all began. the hot spot of hot spots, miami-dade county, comparisons to china at the very beginning are now here. >> miami is now the epicenter of the pandemic. we're seeing in wuhan six months ago, five months ago, now we are there. reporter: miami's mayor says that is an extreme comparison but insists there are without a doubt very pressing issues here on the ground. >> we do have an issue with our hospitals very, very close to or very nearing capacity. we are trying to create more capacity. we do, you know, we may have to take some dramatic measures if things don't improve over the next few weeks. reporter: out west in arizona,

another coronavirus surge test, one in four covid-19 tests is coming back positive. lines are long with multiple hours in the searing desert heat. texas, more than 10,000 new cases yesterday. icu nurses are concerned if things don't improve, patient loads don't lessen, that there won't be enough front line workers to serve the need. miami-dade's schools superintendent today saying if things next month are like they are right now, it will be unsafe to reopen schools. melissa? melissa: wow. that is dramatic. phil keating, thank you. connell. connell: let's talk more with dr. mark mcclellan about all this. the doctor is a top medical advisor to texas governor greg abbott. i will ask you a about texas in

moment. quick reaction from phil reporting in florida. 30% positivity raid in miami-dade. obviously not a good situation. what about comparison of medical officials to wuhan these days? >> connell, all of these are indications that the epidemic is growing, not under control and as you heard it, hospitals are approaching capacity. we're potentially running short on supplies and the worse is yet to come. the number of cases is still going up and the hospitalization rate lagged behind. the case, the cases by a week to 10 days. so, we're in for some still tougher times ahead. it is very important to plan not just for trying to get the cases down through masks and other stuff that work, but also through, also time to address getting more hospital capacity in place. connell: so transitioning to texas, what are your recommendations to governor abbott who you're advising?

are you close to or have you already advised him that he needs another statewide shutdown in texas? >> well the governor's already mentioned that a statewide shutdown could be ahead if these trends continue. there is at most a short window of time, now, connell. connell: between the opportunities to head off real challenge in availability of hospital beds and having enough hospital workers and the, trends and cases that are happening now. further steps may be a little bit short of full lockdown, like closing indoor restaurants, doing steps at a regional level, the hardest hit regions rather than the whole state, may be necessary in very near future, if not a lockdown. and just want to remind people that this is avoidable with masks, with distancing, with the steps that we know can work to enable some economic reopening, some ways of going about business, not as usual, but well

short of a shutdown but we are all in this together. so we all have to take these steps for those alternatives to a shutdown to work. connell: doctor fauci talked about that, anthony fauci in an interview with the "atlantic," where he is defending himself from attacks coming in from the white house, but interview of substance to your point, dr. fauci talked about troubled states, texas, florida, hitting what he called a reset button. put comments on the screen. by reset button i don't mean everybody locking down again. we have to call time out. everyone wear a mask. bars closed. no congregating if crowds. keep your distance, protect the vulnerable. he says if we do that, i for few weeks in row, i guarranty you the numbers come down. does that apply to texas? can you avoid further lockdowns? >> it does but we need to take the steps right away and we need all to be in it together for them to work. it really is 90, 95% of

population in texas or any part of other part of the country sticking with those guidelines for the months ahead that will make it possible to keep the economy open without having our health system overwhelmed and without having this rising, unprecedented number of deaths from the pandemic t can work. but we need a lot more people taking this seriously around viewing this as something you do for your neighbors. it is an individual decision. i get the individual liberty argument. that is about helping something around you. texas has a great tradition. i hope it is more part of the response right away because, connell, the state needs it right now. connell: so does florida. so do some other states. you know, there has been this argument, you mentioned individual liberty, that maybe as well, the things are not as

bad as they seem. there has been exaggeration, the death rate, mortality rate is not as high as it was early days of new york. some people say we don't need to do as much. what do you say to people making that argument? >> i think that argument is essentially wrong. so the death rate for people who have covid-19 has come down. that is because younger people are getting it and because connell, our treatments for seriously ill patients are getting better, but what really matters is the total burden in the population. that depends on the fatality rate for covid but it also depends on how easy it is to spread. the problem with covid it is very easy to spread especially among people who have no or limited symptoms, if they're not wearing a mask. if they're not paying attention to distance. and so what really matters is the impact on our health and the impact on our economy, not the fatality rate by itself. so, we really need to take

further steps right now to head off the need a shutdown or other extreme measures as head into the fall to try to reopen schools. connell: even as we're getting positive news on vaccines as we did today. that is down the line a little bit. we're talking about the implead i can't think future. always good to see you. we'll check back with you speaking of the near future especially about texas. dr. mark mcclellan. melissa. melissa: second-guessing reopening? city officials across the u.s. considering the possibility of another shutdown. plus the new battleground. how president trump is working to keep one pivotal state in the win column. ♪. customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? given my unique lifestyle, that'd be perfect! let me grab a pen and some paper. know what? i'm gonna switch now. just need my desk...

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♪. melissa: so "fox business alert" for you now. justice ruth bader ginsburg has been released from the hospital and is quote, doing well after

being treated for a possible infection. this is according to a court spokesperson. so again, ruth bader ginsburg, supreme court justice, on her way home from the hospital. connell? connell: all right. good to hear. now this is too close for comfort. beaches, bars, restaurants all shutting down across the nation as we've been reporting in many cases as social distancing protocols increasingly are neglected. then you get the shutdowns. grady trimble is today in whiting, indiana, with more on the story. grady? reporter: we're at wahalla beach. it would have been a pretty good beach day here in indiana. it was not in the cards at least this particular beach. because apparently over the weekend, people packed it in shoulder to shoulder. the mayor saw that. he called alarming disregard for social distancing rules you mentioned. you know what he said i will make it easy to social distance at beach, i will shut it down

entirely. saying in a statement we feel we can no longer provide a reasonably safe health environment for our patrons. some of the patrons blaming people coming from chicago. you can see the city skyline. beaches still closed. so people coming from chicago to the beaches in indiana. that city is dealing with its own problems. a brewery was shut down for not following safety guidelines. other restaurants and bars over the weekend were cited. now mayor lori lightfoot sending a stern warning and this keeps up, people and businesses keep ignoring the rules we may have have to role back the city's reopen. >> we're very close to going back to a dangerous state of conditions. if you are a business, we're not afraid to shut you down, we've proven that. so please, step up and do the right thing. reporter: the same types of things are happening in philadelphia and providence, rhode island where they had to

close down bars an restaurants for violating guidelines. to be clear these are not hot spots by any means but officials in each of these officials want to prevent becoming the next hot spot. connell. connell: get out ahead of it. grady. melissa. melissa: setting up a clash in the nation's largest school district. new york governor andrew cuomo unveiling guidelines for the fall. virtual learn something threaten to the widen the gap between rich and poor. we'll talk to one new york city councilman about solutions to the looming crisis that is next. plus a century old technology could be the key to disinfecting high-risk areas and reducing the spread of covid-19. after a four-month closure, disneyland paris reopening today at reduced capacity with new safety measures in place, including the mandatory use of facial masks, social distancing and over 2000 hand sanitizer

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♪. melissa: the back to school debate, new york governor andrew cuomo announcing schools can reopen if a region's infection rate is below 5% but with virtual learning extending in several districts across the u.s. what will this mean for a growing education between rich

and poor? joining us with more, is new york city councilman steven levin. thanks for joining us. i love it when you come on the show to give us perspective what is going on with city council. >> thanks, melissa. melissa: my concern we are actively widening the gap between rich and poor kids. there is such a disparity in damage between what is being done for kids here, that don't have anyone at home. i look at the stats, i'm a mom in new york city, depending what you're looking at and stuff, 20 to 50% of kids were not logging on at all during this period. that doesn't even talk about meals and figuring out what kind of support these kids might need. i'm just so concerned about them not physically being at school, i know you share that concern. you know, are we going to have kids back in the classroom in

the fall? >> so, yes, i mean that is a huge concern. as you said we're seeing this play out in real time. particularly think of families where, as a single parent, that parent has to work. they may be an essential worker. they may work at a grocery store. they may be a teacher themselves but how does this all work in a single parent household where a child is either elementary school age or middle school age and needs supervision? so mayor de blasio, and his chancellor richard caranza, the doe chancellor in new york city laid out a plan in last couple weeks that would have a hybrid model where half the time a student would be home and half the time a student would be in school and that would allow for the requisite social distancing. i heard an immense amount of complaints about this plan.

concerns about this plan from parents. melissa: right. >> because that doesn't seem to work for anybody because how are you supposed to go to work. melissa: no, it doesn't work for anybody. >> half the time. so a few solutions that i've heard -- go ahead. go ahead. melissa: no, you go ahead. i want to hear the solution. >> oh. so the few solutions i heard come out, two council members have some plans in the work. councilmember land hears a plan that would really ramp up wraparound services so that when the students are home on those days, we have other types of facilities, ymcas, libraries, churches, houses of worship, that can, that we can get not-for-profit staff to be able to supervise them so that parents can go to work t would also have a city legislation that we would do at the city council to mandate that there

would be a reasonable accommodation in parents work schedule. any employer in new york city would have to abide by, they wouldn't be able to fire somebody because they had to be, to be home with their child for a couple of days. >> can i offer, let me offer a simple solution. i have one child in a fantastic public school here in new york. we're lucky. i know they're not all built the same. some of them are great. some of them are not. i have another child in an independent school. they are fighting for the tuition because parents are not going to pay if the kids will not go back to school. that school has a plan. they have got masks. they're ready to go. one things they're doing, staggering kids through the day. rather than doing monday, wednesday, friday. what they're saying the young kids will start at 7:00 a.m. the older the kids are, the later they will start in the day. that is the way they're cuttings down on number of people within the classroom, without having to

have kids at home. since when are teachers not essential workers? i mean why do have an essential worker badge and teachers are not essential workers? >> well, absolutely. how does it work if you're a teacher with a young child an elementary schoolchild? melissa: what about the idea staffingerring through the day? >> that is a fantastic idea. i haven't heard anybody bring that to the table yet. i think that is a great idea. another idea that our education chair mark trager is working on, actually having elementary and middle schoolkids, prioritizing them, have them be in school five days a week. having high school age kids doing remote learning except for those that need to have special needs. so that is an idea he is working on. he is coming out with a plan next day or two. so i'm eager to see what that looks like. i like your idea as well. melissa: councilman -- >> fantastic idea. melissa: yeah, no, that is great

idea. that is another thing that my son's private school is doing. they are prioritizing, younger they are, they're coming back early. they're the ones that will be there five days a week no matter what, there for the most time. the older kid who have more success learning online. anyway, councilman, thank you so much. i hope you come back next week or week after, give us an update. we love it. thank you. >> love to come back. thanks for having me. melissa: connell, over to you,. connell: we have a fox news alert. kohl's is just in with requiring customers to wear a mask shopping in stores. that rule will be implemented on monday. walmart earlier in the day and kohl's. president trump had georgia on his mind today. what president's trip to georgia tells us about the 2020 race. that's next

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♪. melissa: as scientists research ways to disinfect against the coronavirus, they are now turning their attention to the use of uv lights. this is a huge one. kurt knutsson is live in los angeles with the story. this is so problem missing, kurt. >> it is certainly promising. the number 222 is going to be

covid-19's worst enemy. remember that number. it's the number of the wave length spectrum of light in uv light or ultraviolet light. the importance of that is, it's a version of that light on the wave spectrum that is safe for humans to be exposed to, it won't hurt our skin, won't hurt our eyes but it will hurt the coronavirus and the physicists, the bio physicists at columbia university led by dr. david brenner had this incredible eureka moment. >> we took some influenza virus. we made it into a aerosol, with little particles in the air. we floated those aerosol particles in front of a lamp, we looked to see how many of the influenza viruses were killed and the answer is was a lot it killed. once we knew it worked for one

virus, we were pretty clear it was going toe work for all viruses. >> including the coronavirus as they continue toe study exposing coronaviruses to this light here is what they found and this is substantial. what it means is that offices, interior spaces, the public gathers everywhere from restaurants, that are looking to open their inside dining rooms to all over the place, anything you can imagine a train, whatever, here is what they found out. after eight minutes of exposed to this light the coronavirus was inactivated by 90%. after 11 minutes it went up to 95%. 16 minutes, 99. by 25 minutes having exposure to this constant light which is invisible to you and me, 99.9% of the coronavirus was destroyed. can you imagine, that is crazy. i was asking about this, what

would it mean now, getting on an airplane? what would it look like? melissa: i assume that is back to me. kurt, that is astonishing maybe i'm sitting here in shock. it was my impression you couldn't be in the same space with the uv light that would then kill the coronavirus. that is a huge breakthrough, wow. thankthank you for bringing thao us. connell. connell: the great kurt knutsson. the evolving electoral map coming up into november, how some new swing states may end up really changing the game where are you?! honey, did you hear about these new geico savings? mom? you'll get an extra 15% on top of what geico could already save you. can i call you back? your father's been researching our geneology. we're vikings! there's never been a better time to save with geico.

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♪ ♪ connell: so it really looks like of the new battleground states, you saw president trump's remarks live when he visited georgia earlier today, talking about rebuilding the country's infrastructure and cutting red

tape. we're here now to discuss the politics of that by tom bevan, president of real clear politics. what are the politics, tom, of an inning couple bent republican running for re-election, visiting a traditionally red state in georgia, what does it tell you about the state of the race, if anything? >> i feel like a lot of these states that have been traditionally republican are now, you know, he's having to defend them. georgia's a state he won by five map.

i know rasmussen had it biden plus 3, quinnipiac had it biden plus 15. your job is to bring it all together and give us an average, but what do you say to people when they say, hey, what's the state of the race right now big picture? >> big picture, trump is the underdog, i do think. if you look at national and some of these state polls, if the election were held today, the odds are given all the information we have available, that he would probably lose. but the election isn't being held today or tomorrow, it's four months if now. so there's time for these things to change. i do think there is, we've talked to some pollsters who have seen this sort of shy trump effect in some of their cay that meaning there's some people who are out there who may not tell

pollsters they are going to vote for president trump, may declare themselves undecided, they may say that, you know, they may even say they're going to vote for joe bide when, in fact, they may not in the bend. so -- in the end. i don't know how big that number's going to be, but certainly if some of these states are close, you know, within the margin of error, 1, 2%, something like that, there could be a chance that, you know, that the polls are off and -- congress cobb but the message -- connell: but the message, tom, which he did last time when he was closer, biden -- we were looking at the data the other day -- is running about double the pace of clinton, in other words, has about double the lead hillary clinton had this time around. so it would have to be closer for it, as you call it, the shy trump effect to matter, right? >> correct. that's why when he's down five or six points in a place like florida, he's the underdog. and, again, this'll all come down to turnout and who can turn out their voters in the end.

connell: yep, that's always the way. sorry to put you up against the clock, but you're a pro, we appreciate it. tom bevan with real clear politics. thanks, everybody, for watching, melissa and i will see you same time tomorrow as "lou dobbs tonight" starts right now. lou: good evening, everybody. we begin with a number of important developments in the fight against the china virus pandemic. first, a number of what could be important breakthroughs in the race to create a vaccine against the china virus. the biotech company moderna working in partnership with the national institutes of health reporting promising signs from early human trials. the results of their phase one trial published in the new england journal of medicine. it is a small sample, but it does show all 45 people who participated in receiving the vaccine produced antibodies against the virus.