that day on march 7th, 1965, and throughout the civil rights journey that we took as a nation. he made an effort, more than an effort, he dedicated his life to nonviolent change. and you often hear him quoted as saying that it was time to get into good trouble. this will take about ten minutes or so, and in that time we have an opportunity to talk with those who knew him as we watch this procession. our reporter, steve harrigan, was telling us moments ago when they reach the peak of this bridge, so about halfway across that 1200-foot point, they will pause for 60 seconds. the alabama state troopers back in 1965 on that day, through prejudice and hatred, beat the people on that bridge, tried to beat them back, tried to beat back their push for a greater america with more freedoms and equality for everybody.

they tried to beat them back and beat that out of them. they did not succeed. and we are a better nation now. again, this will take a few minutes for them to reach the bridge and then cross over to the other side, taking that pause, and we will be here on fox news to take you through it all. i want to share now though from a perspective on this extraordinary life one of his longtime friends and house colleagues, member of the congressional black caucus, representative emmanuel cleaver. congressman, you're with me in. >> yes, good morning. harris: good morning. and i look and see that you are with us from home in kansas city, and that's where you and i met many, many years ago. >> yes. harris: give us a texture for what you're feeling and what others are feeling today who were part of the struggle and continue to be. >> well, there's manager which

all of us are feeling pain but some joy. john's chief of staff came to me a few months ago and confidentially toll me what was -- told me what was going on and because john may need some prayer and some inspiration. john was inspiration to everybody else, and i met him back in 1974 at the baptist church in birmingham, alabama. i was stun thed over the fact that -- stunned over the fact that this guy would actually stop in the vestibule to talk to me, reverend nobody, when all of these great pastors who led e the movement -- ralph ab aberna, he stops talking to them and i don't think he ever knew hi many

name -- he knew my name. but he always called me young brother. a few weeks ago maybe he never knew my name after 30 something years. i'm joking, of course. he was the most humble human being i have ever been around in my life. and if you look at press conferences where he attended, he never tried to position himself in a places where the cameras -- there were others who would push people out of the way almost to get in front of the camera. but here's a guy who was a lion. and lions don't need to strut through the plains telling people they are a lion. everybody on the plains can tell that. and i don't know, you know, went out on the black lives matter mass saw in washington. -- plaza in washington. this was his last great display

of power or righteousness, and it was john lewis standing there with a cane if -- cane in his hand. and it was the lion, the lion. albeit the lion in winter. and people talk about john being beaten on that bridge. if john could speak and if you'd listen to his speeches, he was essentially saying i regret that i is have but one cracked skull to give for my people. and my people meant blacks and whites and browns and muslims and jewish people. that's who he was. harris: yeah. you know, that's been part of what i think his legacy carries forth into 2020 as we face a new chapter or struggle. and, look, congressman cleaver, things are different than they

were, you know, 55 years ago, obviously. some things remain though. and i wonder if you had an opportunity to talk with congressman lewis in the last few months. i mean, it feels like since george floyd the country has changed many different ways, many different times. i don't even know if we're talking about the same things as we were on may 25 that brought us together. >> one of the things that i are to tell you troubled -- i have to tell you troubled john was that some of the young demonstrators, you know, would say things like, you know, well, he's past his time. and john lewis, the life he lived is a life that can be -- that we put on display to all generations. and they were saying, you know, he's talking about nonviolence and love and peace, and particularly some of the anarchists, very few of them were in there, but most of them were good people. many of them were trying to

suggest to the crowd something that would be antithetical to what john lewis had always preached. and i thank god that right now if you look at the marches and the demonstrations that are continuing, there they're sometg that john felt so good about and it just made my heart glad, and that is this: if you look at the demonstrators here in kansas city, a city you know quite well, the crowds in some instances were as much as 75% white. that wasn't the case in the march on washington. that wasn't the case -- harris: right. >> -- going across the edmund pettus bridge. but it is now, and things have changed and changed dramatically. and john lewis, among many others, is a reason that we are where we are now. and it really bothers me when people say things haven't gotten any better. that is absolutely not true.

things have gotten visibly better, and john is a great reason for it and one of the best things that's ever happened to the united states congress. harris: you know, representative cleaver, i'm so appreciative of you being with me particularly at this moment. they have begun to cross the edmund pettus bridge, and as they do, i want do you about good trouble. now, when i was growing up, it was explained to me that that was a fan i way of saying change. -- fan i way of saying -- fancy way of saying change. what did it mean in. >> well, good trouble meant that when you go out to fight injustice, when you speak out against bigotty, when you speak out against exclusion, that will always be a counteraction. that will always -- there will always be a response. for every action there is a counteraction. and so he was saying but even though you're going to get in trouble for standing up for

right and challenging wrong, that's good trouble. when you do it, when you are able to stand up and challenge wrong and get into trouble, that is good trouble. that's delicious trouble. that's necessary trouble, as he said it. and he got into that that trouble all the time and never, ever expressed regret for any of the trouble he had gotten into. he was arrested over 40 times in his life, and he felt good about the fact that he had gone to jail for getting into good trouble. harris: yeah. you know, in reading this week i reminded myself of that point in american history and how just 79 year before john lewis was born was the start of the civil war. it hasn't been that long, and there has been tremendous change, and his life is an

example of just what each person can accomplish. do you think right now that next wave of, you know, emmanuel cleaver, john lewis,siest is city ejacson and some -- jesse jackson and some of the others who have been part of our legacy of change, who's in that next wave? what is the process like right now, or do we need or have it? >> no, we don't have it. and i am not upset that we don't have it. back in the 1970s and '80s when the civil rights movement -- it actually happened all the way back to 1619, but it has changed to the point where there will be leaders in various other realms. for example, we're not going to have a martin luther king again

because that leadership is not necessarily needed at this moment. but we're going to have people in political leadership, we're going to have people in religious leadership, we're going to have people in economic leadership and in business. we're going to have people all over. and there will be individuals who will cheerily be at the -- clearly be at the top and provide counsel and assistance to those who are following him or herment but in terms of a martin luther king or a john lewis, we only have a few of those guys who are still left. but most of the people who founded, for example, sclc, owe lowery -- joe lowery, c.k. vivian, they died recently. sncc others were involved in, that organization is no longer there. but there are young people who are leading on college are campuses as that group in the

student nonviolent coordinating committee. and i think we should not look for a single person to be the leader anymore because there's no one in the world who can say, well, we have one leader for white folk or one leader for the brits. and that's where we are x. if that's a good thing, because it means that we've made progress. harris: wow. that is so uplifting and such an informed and positive way to look at all of this, because it is a sign of progress that we can look in the psalm direction but not have -- in the same direction but not have to be the same, everybody not having to follow the same pattern because of the progress that's been made. before i let you go, i do want to say that the family of john lewis has just crossed the bridge. we were waiting for those big

vehicles and the big motor coaches, congressman cleaver, to cross. and so as we get ready, we can see now down at the entrance to the bridge that caisson that carries congressman john lewis. i want to just get your thoughts as we begin the procession now with the congressman making that crossing. march 7, 1965, the nation was where, the nation was what, and what impact this particular day had on history to you. >> well, back then it was filled with a viciousness and bigotry and exclusion, and i can remember my wife and i and her sister and her husband drove from kansas city down to mississippi for the, for an sclc convention back in the day, and we didn't get to mississippi until nightfall. and i can tell you we were driving in total fear. this was in the 1970s,

probably in the 1977 or so. and so that atmosphere it hadn't been completely raced, but it's not the way it was then. and i'll let you in on a secret, john lewis' family crossing that bridge, they didn't call him john. they called him robert. and the only people who called him john are people from the movement, those of us who are still around. but we called him john, they called him robert and still they call him robert. dr. king didn't call him either, dr. king called him that boy from troy -- [laughter] and it was just like john always ared to me as young brother, you know? dr. king always referred to him, where's the boy from troy? and then john lewis actually split with a more aggressive leadership in sncc and followed

dr. king or stayed very close to dr. king. never became a member of the board of sclc, but he was -- that march, he crossed that bridge with a guy named jose williams who was a chemist in his real life, and hosea gave him his ability to make a pretty good income as a chemist to participate in the movement with sclc. and there are a thousand stories like that, some great people. try to give a life to those people like you and me. harris: we are now watching the caisson being told to go around. we're going to see now there's a vehicle crossing to, just to the side of the case edison. they'll pull on out of the frame, and for the first time we

will see the caisson carrying the remains of congressman john lewis coming across the edmund pettus bridge. i'm join by representative emmanuel cleaver from missouri, from kansas city, and we are so appreciative of you taking us through some of these moments. and as we now see that vehicle pull out of the way and we can fully' e that caisson -- see that caisson, this is that iconic moment. john lewis coming across the edmund pettus bridge again, this time his final journey. representative cleaver, before i let you go, there is a movement afoot to try to rename this bridge, it was named originally for a confederate general and a white supremacist leader. i know representative jim clyburn currently in the house and yourself and many others want to rename the bridge. where are we in that process? >> well, i think it's going to, the change is going to be made

in alabama. i think the federal government, members of congress would love to see it named john lewis bridge, but there are people who, for example, crossed that bridge with john lewis on that day and were beaten. and so on one side there are people saying, you know, you change it to another name that would reflect all the people who went across the bridge. those of us in congress would like to see john lewis serve as the example of the people, as a representative of the people who crossed that bridge and who were also beaten that day like hosea williams. but, you know, john lewis, i can tell you without fear or contradiction, never, ever, ever participated in the conversations that were occurring all around him about naming that brim after him. he was -- bridge after him. he was just not that kind of a guy. in fact, john was shy.

he probably never would be able to call it the john lewis bridge if he were alive to see that happen. terry sewall, for example, representative, she wants it to be john lewis. and i think there's going to be probably some back and forth in that community. bulletly, i think that the name -- ultimately, i think the name of the bridge going to change and, hopefully, it can be changed to john lewis. he would probably not be excited about naming anything after himself. harris: representative emmanuel cleaver, you were pastor at a church when i was a young news anchor in kansas city. love to hear you preach. and now you're a leader on capitol hill and giving us so much experience and history today as we honor the legacy of congressman josh lewis. thank you -- john lewis. thank you for your time. >> good to be with you. god bless you. >> god bless you.

as we watch this, a couple of things to tell you about. so this is the route to the bridge, and this is really where you will not see any other vehicles except for those escorting that caisson with john lewis. and so we have made the turn, if you will. you saw those vehicles pull out of the way, and this is relatively a sight space because if you pull out, you'd be able to see the bridge is right there. and as we head into this procession that will eventually reach halfway across the bridge, the peak of it, and and take a pause, we will then -- and i'll let you know when it's about to happen, we will then make every microphone silent. we will not be talking through that. we can take in those moments together. for now, i want to bring in fox news political analyst juan williams. juan, on this glorious sunday, you are with me. >> yeah, it's an amazing moment, harris. i'm so pleased that you're here and, you know, it's a moment -- i've been down to that bridge

several times. as you've heard people say, congressman lewis would lead delegations of members of congress down to selma so they could see it, so they could understand that that small bridge, you know with, it just goes from selma across to east selma, and the march commerce were -- marchers were on their way, a 55-mile march, headed to montgomery. but when you did this with john lewis, you know, it was like watching one of the a apostles come to life. and i think other members of congress, you heard steve scalise speak in this way, emmanuel cleaver speak in this way, that john lewis for all his unassuming manner telling that story, it was like bringing history and the passion the life so that all of us americans could hair in the sacrifice that he -- share in the sacrifice that he made that day to make a difference and to bring voting rights because this was about

establishing voting rights for black people in the united states, to bring voting rights to life. and, of course, it was just a matter of weeks after what happened on that bridge that the united states passed the voting rights act of 1965. harris: you know, juan, i shared this with you, and, you know, maybe some of our colleagues as well. but when my father decided to serve in the military, john lewis and other voices who joined his, mlk, and their press for nonviolent change in america was part of why he dedicated himself, my father, to fighting for this country. at a time when it was filled with struggle and strife and, you know, so much prejudice and bigotry and hatred. but he said he'd rather fight for a country where men like john lewis knew how to get to what was right than not.

and, you know, having been born in the year that they crossed this bridge and john lewis was hit, i mean, you know that that next generation, these further generations that we are are proof that it worked. [laughter] that the experiment in meeting hatred e and violence with peace and love and patience but persistence works. >> absolutely. you know, we wouldn't be here in these positions that we are today without men like john lewis. i don't think there's any question that in some ways, you know, black americans have been the most patriotic. they talked about during world war ii the double v, rickety abroad -- victory abroad against the nazis, the imperialists, but then victory here at home in terms of achieving the visions, the aspiration that you can find in the declaration of independence, that all men are created equal. and john lewis really stood up

to that principle and did so in a nonviolent manner as steve harrigan reminded us when he crossed that bridge on foot right next to hosea williams. what you saw was a man with his hands in his pocket even as the alabama state troopers advanced with violence, with sticks and with smoke bombs and the like. john lewis was a nonviolent man standing up for american principles and american justice and saying we have a right to vote in this democracy. harris: amen. juan williams, co-host of "the five," thank you, juan. we are watching those crowds now cheer as they celebrate the life and legacy of congressman john lewis. and you can -- you know what? i want to lower my voice. listen, you can hear them

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