lou: congressman devin nunes, as always we learn something every time we talk with you. thank you so much for everything you're doing. join us tomorrow, byron york, congressman andy bigs. please be with us. thank for being with us tonight. good night from sussex. ♪. elizabeth: the president on his way back to the white house after visiting a biotech company working on covid-19 vaccines in north carolina today. tonight we've got a lot of stories for you. more on the new unrest now spreading to a dozen cities this weekend from coast to coast. we have shelby talcot who is a reporter who has been the ground in the front lines of these riots. she will give us the latest what she saw. with us tonight, civil rights attorney leo terrell with us. what will the rye off thers want? what will make them stop? will they continue the mayhem over after the election?

could jimmy carter, obama, stop them? democrats downplaying the riots. top democrat jerry nadler saying antifa violence in portland, a myth. joe biden called the protests peaceful. rioters are embedded in them. as democrats continue to blast the president for trying to stop the destruction. people are warning there is not peaceful or mythical about officers being assaulted with power tools, commercial grade fireworks and lasers that blind them and buildings being set on fire with people inside of those buildings or cop cars being burned. also tonight, you would think the two-year trump-russia probe was based on high level russian firms with connections to russian intelligence the way the media and democrats talked about the story for three years. turns out that is not the case as knewly revealed government documents detail. senator lindsey graham, the fbi

sourcing for their probe was pretty lame. it is going from bad to worse. senator graham is saying that there is evidence that fbi officials lied to both the fisa court and congress on the trump-russia probe. senator graham telling that to our maria bartiromo. greg stuebe with us on that and attorney general william barr appearing before his committee. nfl hall-of-famer and player, mike ditka has had enough. stop using the flag as platform for political protests. giano caldwell with his take on that. president trump and joe biden pulling together expansive legal war chests and armies of attorneys what could be the most litigated election in u.s. history. it will be a brawl. former governor wisconsin scott walker former 2016 karn date with us to break the fight down. i'm elizabeth macdonald.

"the evening edit" starts right now. first up, latest from washington. a lot of headlines coming out. fox news rich edson has more. reporter: good evening, liz. the president touched down at the white house after a full day of touring a biotech company in north carolina of the president spent his afternoon at the fuji film biotech innovation center. he announced a 265 million-dollar contract to the company to expand its vaccine manufacturing capacity at a facility in texas. the president says if ongoing vaccine trials are successful, local governments can further open up their economies. >> i think if those things happen, if just one of those events happen, you will go right back into the v. i think you're probably in the v anyway. i really do believe a lot of governors should be opening up states that they're not opening and we'll see what happens with them. but a lot will have to do with the fact that therapeutically i think you will have great answers. reporter: the united states is in the worldwide race to develop

a coronavirus vaccine. this morning biotech company moderna in conjunction with the national institutes of health launched a series of massive trials on a experimental vaccine. company says scientists will test 30,000 volunteers. split them into two groups. one gets vaccine. the other gets saltwater. they will check if the group injected with the vaccine came down with the virus and if so the severity of the symptoms. >> we will not cut corners in order to evaluate a vaccine and although we have gone at significant speed to get to this point our job at fda and our solemn promise to the american people we will judge based upon the data and upon the gold standard that we have at fda regarding safety and efficacy of a vaccine. reporter: covid-19 is surging across the united states. more than 147,000 people have died now. more than 4.3 million covid cases of coronavirus cases have been confirmed. one of those confirmed is

national security advisor robert o'brien. white house says he had mild symptoms. he is self-isolating at a secure location off site. the white house maintains there has been no risk of exposure to the president or the vice president. liz, back to you. elizabeth: thank you, rich edson in washington. to the unrest, it has spread to a dozen cities this weekend from seattle, portland, los angeles, oakland, california, to atlanta, louisville, to new york city and philadelphia and now rioters shooting at people in places like austin, texas and in in aurora, colorado. a protester carrying a long gun approach ad car in austin, texas, he was fatally shot by the driver. in aurora, colorado, rioters injured two people. they are expected to survive. in seattle 47 arrested, 59 officers injured after rioters hurled rocks and explosives at police officers near seattle's east police precinct.

officers suffered burns. the station suffered structural damage. overall 18 people shot dead during rioting. back again is shelby talcot, a "daily caller" journalist reporting on the front lines of these riots. shelby, you were there at the riots. tell us what you saw? >> liz, there has been a ton of unrest. we typically see huge crowds earlier in the night, starting around 9:00. it is fairly peaceful at that time. as the night goes on, 10:30, 11:00 there's a huge group of protesters or rioters who turn their focus on to the federal courthouse and, they have been told there is warnings given by federal officers, don't touch the fence. don't try to break through. time and time again, night after night, they're trying to breach the fence and it starts sort of this war every night on the streets of downtown portland.

elizabeth: were they, were the riots going down, were they de-escalating until the administration sent in federal forces? the democrats like joe biden saying they were peaceful protests. now they're saying antifa violence in portland is quote a myth. what are your thoughts on both of those issues? >> we weren't here before federal officers were deployed but certainly from people we've spoken to, these protests have been ongoing, really haven't showed a major sign of slowing down. by the time we got here the courthouse is littered in graffiti. there is things on the street from fires being set and fireworks going off and i saw that clip the other day jerry nadler saying antifa is a myth and violence here in portland is just a d.c. lie essentially and you know, the videos, the videos we've taken all week kind of

speak for themselves. it is very clearly not the case i think. elizabeth: you know, what do the rioters want? do they want defund the police? do they want income inequality solved? i think you heard them chanting a certain chant. can you tell us what they want and what will make them stop? >> so we did hear them, one of the, one of the chants i think stood out to me the most was, they were saying, they're not going to stop until all the precincts are burned to the ground. so this, this is an extreme attitude and, they want the federal officers out but, who knows, if the federal officers leave will they leave the courthouse alone? i'm not sure. so they're angry at the federal officers. they're angry at the police officers. i think they just want all of this defunded. they want officers out of portland and night after night we're seeing there is, there is no slowing down.

elizabeth: no slowing down. polls by outfits like pew research show many americans welcome racial and ethnic diversity, believe the communities should be diverse. people should support peaceful protests stipulated in founding documents of our country. we are, shelby, in unpre dented historic moment, pandemic triggering joblessness, fight over police brutality. from where you sit it seems morphed over that. rioters shooting people in as you tip texas and aurora, colorado, talk to us about portland piece finding a bag of rifle ammunition and molotov cocktails after responding to a park protest? can you talk more about that. >> we have much more information besides their statement. they found numerous bullets and molotov cocktails in a bag near the courthouse. there has been stabbing of a

trump supporter the other night. there were the shows fired in another incident. so, it is clearly escalating. i think your earlier point about the, the unrest, sort of branching off from the original reason that these protests started is really accurate. we've seen it time and time again, you know, in seattle, in washington, d.c., in new york city, there is definitely different groups that are now taking advantage of why these protests were started. elizabeth: do you see police showing restraint? do you see them showing restraint taking hands off approach but they have to respond when attacked? in seattle, they torched construction buildings at the site of a new youth detention center. rioters vandalized cop vehicles in new york and in philly. in los angeles protesters attacked police officers. do you see officers showing restraint? >> yeah h yes.

so every night we've been on the ground officers issued multiple warnings before coming out and deploying crowd control munitions. we'll hear over the loud speaker, the first warning is typically, don't touch the fence, don't try to breach the perimeter. the second warnings when the rioters ignore the first warning this is declared unlawful assembly. leave the area immediately. nobody typically listens. the officers are forced to come out. during the time warnings are issued, result of fireworks being thrown at the courthouse. fireworks thrown at the fence. they throw bags of garrage over the fence and light it on fire. all sorts of things continue to be tossed. they continue to toss when officers come out to disperse the crowd. elizabeth: police officers releasing bodycam footage in

seattle. we showed you what they are dealing with. seattle in process of cutting police budget in half. chief of police there, carmen best warning seattle businesses are on your own. the city council has hamstrung us now we respond to the rioting. we've been reporting, shelby. we told viewers about rioters across the country, exposing police officers and their families home addresses and phone numbers on the internet. the rioters showed up at the home of acting homeland security secretary chad wolf. are you hearing about that as well? this is now as you point out, morphed into something else? now they're showing up at their personal homes to basically protest? what is your reaction? >> i have heard reports of that. numerous officers have been doxxed and have their public or information made public. i think it is dangerous. you know these officers, from what i have seen on the frowned ground in portland just trying

to do their job. we actually saw when it was declared a riot saturday night, while multiple people detained, they let multiple people go. they picked them up. one officer picking up a mom off the ground, telling her to leave the area. so, i don't think that they want to have this battle every night. elizabeth: yeah. good to see you, shelby talcot. great journalism there. come back soon, okay? stay safe. >> thanks. elizabeth: okay. look at these images of president trump in new jersey, stepping out of his black suv, tossing signature red make america great again baseball caps to supporters. coming up you would think two year russian probe would be connected to high level russian intelligence way media talked about the story for three years. that is not the case. senator lindh spy gram says the

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♪. elizabeth: okay. welcome back. you would think two year trump-russia probe was based on high level russian officials with connections to russia intelligence the way the media and democrats reported the

story. turns out that may not be the case. senator lindsey graham says fbi sourcing, the evidence used it spy on the trump team was pretty lame. it was the steele dossier. a lot was driven by. that it has gone from bad to worse. senator graham told our maria bartiromo, that fbi not only lied to the fisa court, potential perjury, but the fbi lieded to congress to justify the evidence they were using toe spy on the trump team. greg stuebe on house judiciary. ag barr will testify tomorrow. great to see you, again. your thoughts on that. >> senator graham didn't tell us who that is yet but i imagine that will be made public this week. they should absolutely be held account lied to the committee and congress. a number of people were tried for similar charges. look at roger stone. individuals involved in the mueller investigation.

absolutely if you have somebody in the fbi that testified fall sy before congress they should be held accountable. elizabeth: about u.s. attorney john durham and whether his criminal probe of the trump-russia probe whether fbi officials perjured themselves, to get fisa wiretaps to target carter page, trump advisor there. among the other things they convinced the curt that sourcing for christopher steele, this primary subsource, was quote a russian-based source when he wasn't. he was living here in the u.s. he was on steele's payroll. he was saying that the steele dossier, christopher steele can't be trusted. he embellishes things. it is third hdd r r wahwaenatoratorra hra onn h s.st tsthis. tinforma the fbibid hehehe the fbiwnew thatthehe steele d der wsier was wongeonge it.it.e, the t t t continueded o th iths wh iat i think thinknk w c.ubli not onl oynl did did the fhebi o

theouou about tboutbout rboiabii t steetete dossiersisi the t to li t cess. th is separepep crime cri. tun tedded next week. not only did the fbi lied to the fisa court, they lied their [bleep] off to the congress. elizabeth: what do you think, congressman? >> well look, this has never been about russia or collusion this has been a political takedown of the president and thank goodness that president trump got elected and ag barr is where he is, and durham is doing this investigation. think, if hillary clinton would have gotten elected none of these actors would have been brought to justice for all this miscarriage of justice going on in the fbi. lying to the fisa court. to surveil on a opponents political campaign. i'm looking forward to a.g. barr's testimony tomorrow. hopefully these individuals that have lied to congress who did not use the oath of their service to the fbi will be held accountable. elizabeth: okay. and also republican devin nunes

is saying, he will look into the brookings institution because this christopher steele source here was writing research papers for the brookings institution. it has been a revolving door. it's a left-leaning think tank a revolving door for clinton and obama officials to go in and out of there, impeachment witnesses as well. senator graham said obama administration officials would be called in to testify before senate judiciary on the steele dossier. who do you think should be called in? here is the thing? hillary clinton's campaign paid for the steele dossier and dnc helped fund it. then it was opposition research steele pulled together in order for hillary clinton to contest the 2016 election if she lost. somehow it got into the fbi and the fbi used it. so who do you think should testify? >> i think all of these actors, names you heard, strzok, comey, all the individuals should come in and testify. unfortunately in the house it is run by the democrats.

they will never bring those individuals in to be held accountable for some of these things. that is why we're relying on the durham probe and durham investigation to get the to bottom of all this miscarriage of justice and fbi. i hope people that did commit crimes do get charged f they don't get charged, what will say this doesn't happen again? elizabeth: congressman, thank you so much, we'll be right back after the break. stay right there.

♪. elizabeth: social media now lighting up against the media and democrats like joe biden and jerry nadler downplaying the violence in u.s. cities saying there is nothing peaceful or mythical about rioters firing commercial grade fireworks and using power tools and more to attack officers in trying to set federal buildings on fire with people inside. watch democrat jerry nadler downplay the riots over the weekend. watch this. >> it is true, there is violence the whole country. do you disavow violence from antifa happening in portland right now. >> that's a myth that is being spread only in washington, d.c. >> about antifa and portland? >> yes. >> sir, there is videos everywhere online. there are fires and riots. throwing fireworks at federal officers. dhs is there. it is online. it is crazy, mr. nadler.

elizabeth: joining me now, civil rights attorney leo terrell. it is great to have you back on. your reaction in is this a myth? people were shocked this weekend at riots. 18 people shot dead in the rioting since they began? your reaction? >> thanks for having me. jerry nadler is one of those democratic dinosaurs need to retire. tell you what happened, democratic mayors joe biden given keys to democratic cities to extremist groups. when that democratic minneapolis mayor and democratic council allowed extremists to burn down the police department it's a green light. the democratic party is poll exist for extremists groups. you cannot bargain with these individuals. they want to destroy and overthrow all our institutions. the most important one, they want to eliminate law enforcement. that is why, i'm on your show. that is why i left the democratic party. elizabeth: so, democrat mayors are getting criticized by places

like "washington post." even "the washington post" majority of rioting is happening in cities run by democrats. your thoughts on "new york times" downplaying violent riots, calling it quote, strident protests turbulence they're calling it. your reaction? >> "new york times" and democratic cable networks are basically in bed with the democratic party. they want their constituents to believe that is peaceful protesting. that is a lie. that is rioting and looting. they have played all-in, liz. very simple. downplay the rioting. call it protesting because we only have one goal, to defeat president trump. that is our gameplan. president trump is the only person trying to restore law and order. it is outrageous and it is insulting to insult the american people thinking that is not rioting. jerry nadler is wrong to call that a myth. it is real. it is live. people are losing their lives.

elizabeth: yeah. the question is, would jimmy carter, biffle clinton, or barack obama put up with it for two months in portland? there is another story, leo, "chicago tribune" out with new data, showing 400 people have been killed this year in chicago. that is 97 more than all of 2019. i would like you to react to what happened on abc news. sarah fagen, ceo of deep root analytics. technology company. she was sitting next to rahm emanuel. served in the george w. administration. listen to what happened on abc news this weekend. let's listen. >> federal agents protecting a courthouse that rioters are trying to burn. in some cases with if he ral officials inside. look, make no mistake about it, these mayors on the west coast have abdicated their leadership. i don't think the federal government has any choice but to go protect federal property. elizabeth: you see that?

you hear what she said. they have abdicated their leadership. why don't they step up and govern. that is the asking democrat leaders, why won't you govern and stop it? >> they have been bought and paid for by black lives matter extremists. i challenge on your program, any democratic mayor, politician, political pundits to argue the president doesn't have the federal authority to protect federal property. there were two federal judges who ruled in favor of federal officers using riot gear. this is just outright lying, liz. it just burns me up inside to see these democrat who i used to be a party to lie to try to defeat president trump. they're ignoring their cities. what is happening finally? people of color, people of color need police officers to protect them from the thugs and criminals who are rioting every night. this is crazy. we're in an apocalypse right now. elizabeth: you know what is

painful? the national bureau of economic research points out four out of 10 of businesses shut down because of the pandemic are owned by blacks. >> right. elizabeth: less than, you know, one out of five are owned by white people. those businesses are getting torched. your reaction to the back the blue rally supporting police officers taking hold across the country? we like to think of ourselves as trend spotters here. our team works really hard to track trends no one else is picking up on. we've been tracking the back the blue rallies, defending cops, supporting cops for couple months now. 1000 people packed eisenhower park in long island, new york, american flag. your take on this. what is your reaction back the blue rallies taking hold? >> i have family in law enforcement. 98% of the officers protect us. they are out of standing. they protect us at 2:00, 3:00 in the morning. everyone in this country can relate to a positive story about the police. they are using a bad officer who had the horrible situation with

george floyd as a phony pretext to commit this violence this country supports law enforcement. antifa and these extremist groups are trying to eliminate law enforcement. one last point, democratic mayors, you know what they're doing? they want to defund police! that's crazy! who will protect us? seattle "chop" zone? not this country. not in this great country. elizabeth: it became a social justice movement. now it turned into a marxist movement led by white people, leo. that has been the criticism. that is the reporting we're seeing coming in. that it is white marxists who support, you know, communist socialist policies. let's be blunt. that is what critics say they are, what do you say, leo? >> that is a very valid assumption. who are these people? get them on the show. see what they want, this is well-organized, i give them a-plus on social media, they know how to do it. who are they? let's see what the demand are. this is extremist group wants to

overthrow our foundation is all about, democracy and law enforcement. that is it what they're in for. we don't know who they are. elizabeth: civil rights attorney, leo terrell, great to have you back on. >> always. thank you, will do. elizabeth: next, same here. next up, the big business of sports. now fans getting even more turned off by sports getting political. they tune in to tune out to all the political fighting. we'll talk to fox news political analyst, football legend mike ditka is spot on that the national anthem and american flag at sporting events should note be used as a platform for any protests whatsoever. that is coming up next. i've always been fascinated by about what's next.

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♪. elizabeth: welcome back to the big business of sports of the fans getting turned off by sports getting political. they tune in to tune out to all the political fighting but now

this, hall of fame football legend, former nfl broadcaster mike ditka, he agrees to saying stop with the protests using the flag and the anthem. he has been saying this for years. he doesn't like sports teams kneeling at the national anthem when flag is displayed, using that as a platform for protests. listen to mike ditka talking about all of that. it is happening with major league baseball, the wnba and soccer leagues. listen to old ditka. >> i'm old-fashioned. i will only say what i feel. i think there is a way you protest and a way you don't protest. you don't protest against the flag and this country who has given you the opportunity to make a living playing a sport that is you never thought would happen. so, i don't want to hear all the crap. elizabeth: with me now fox news political analyst, giano caldwell. always great to have you own. we love your thoughts, insights

and perspectives. what did you think when you heard coach ditka say that? >> i absolutely agree. you don't protest against the flag and don't protest against your country. as we have these discussions colin kaepernick, when he was on the field had been protesting quite a while. we see many football players or athletes pick up from that but here's the real question. after all the protests what have you asked for? what are you seeking? what is it that you're really looking to do? you think about the march on washington back in 1963, i believe it was, you had all these thousands of folks, i think they said between 200,000 and 300,000 people. they came out to hear mlk speak. he spoke about injustices. from that one march, what did we see the 1964 civil rights act. the 1965 voting rights act. they had a list of demands they wanted to see accomplished and

they protested peacefully. i think that is the way things should be done. what we've seen on the streets of chicago, portland, and a lot of these other places in some cases, we've seen peaceful protests but in others we've not seen. that we've seen destruction of property. seen people marginalized, become even more marginalized people wanting to take advantage of the situation. this is a point where everyone is listening. what are you asking for? we've seen some of the things senator tim scott has done but the democrats didn't want to work with him on that. that begs the question, what is really going on here? is this about george floyd? elizabeth: here's another story. "usa today" ran a piece today, saying quote, athletes are not protesting against the flag or the anthem. they're merely using it as a platform to bring attention to social injustice. the critics say, wait a second, minorities, people of color died for that flag. soldiers died for that flag. it is about what is sacred. also joe namath, football legend

has said, the field, sporting field is sacred too. keep it what it is, a place for competition. top democrat rahm emanuel equated to kneeling in church, gianno. football players like tim tebow attacked for kneeling in prayer on the football field? >> that reminds you of something, right? in other words, rahm emanuel came up with a narrative that he believed would fit. truthfully speaking that is not been the true narrative. if you want to highlight racial injustice, i think that is fine. i think that is absolutely fine. however there should be and ask. if you don't have and ask, why are you doing it? more importantly, we, in this era, especially in the trump era, everything is political. you cannot say good morning without it feeling political. you can't post anything on social media without it being political. i put on my instagram @giano caldwell, if you support the looters and rioters unfollow me now. people made it all political.

elizabeth: there is a separate story we just showed, religious statues and institutions getting attacked, that is a separate case, separate story. gianno, catholic church reporting half a dozen attacks on church property, including statues of jesus and virgin mary getting attacked. what do you say to that story? >> there has been an attack on faith. this is when it comes to. when elected officials say it is fine to take down statues, nancy pelosi said they will do what they want to do. people will take down any statue. i'm personally a christian. jesus christ is my lord and savior, it is disgusting people are taking these actions and for what? for what? it is not the memory of george floyd. this has gone way beyond that. it is destruction of property. it is let me take over because you want to defund the police and in the state of new york or in the city of new york, if you will? individuals are taking things

into their own hands this is no longer a country where safety is paramount. elizabeth: great to have you on. come back soon. sorry we ran out of time. good to see you. up next concerns being raised why joe biden not taking questions or interviews from the media. held virtually no public events for three months. independent women's forum senior policy analyst kelsey bolar with is real live going on here just ahead urance, so you only pay for what you need. i wish i could shake your hand. granted. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ 1 in 5 people you meet wear yeah. that many! but right now, is not the time to talk about it. so when you're ready, search 'my denture care'. poligrip and polident. fixed. fresh. and just between us.

♪. elizabeth: growing concerns now being raised about why joe biden is not taking questions or interviews from the press. has held virtually no public events for about three months. watch fox news chris wallace here. >> in our interview last week with president trump he questioned whether his democratic opponent joe biden could handle a similar encounter. well this week we asked the

biden campaign for an interview and they said the former vice president was not available. we'll keep asking every week. elizabeth: welcome independent women's forum senior policy analyst, kelsey bolar. great to have you back on. your thought on this? >> hi, liz. what we need to understand what is going on here, this isn't about coronavirus this is a calculated political strategy being made by those closest to former vice president joe biden. they are deciding to keep him in his basement, weighing the pros and cons of allowing him to face the media, face the american public and what they have ultimately come to is that they are better off with him hideing in his basement than facing any tough questions. my question for them is, if those closest to joe biden don't have faith in his ability to campaign, why should any of us have faith in his ability to lead the american public?

elizabeth: yeah. there is also this, at the same time, we've got this stunning new results from a poll from the cato institute. shows 2/3 of americans are afraid to openly share their political beliefs. many americans not saying to pollsters they're going to support trump. basically nbc's chuck todd is now saying trump might have an advantage simply because he is the incumbent because it is unclear what the polls really are about, whether catching a the trump voter. the trump voter is not disclosing they will vote for trump. hillary led in the polls at this point in time. no third party candidate, kelsey. there is a lot of stuff going on. i want your reaction. watch joe biden making mistakes. to your point what you're saying let's watch joe biden making gaffs. watch that. >> my name is joe biden aim a democratic can candidate for the night senate the look me over. if you like what you see. elizabeth: said he is running

for the senate. watch these other biden mistakes. watch this. >> all men and women created by -- oh you know the thing. i have a record of over 40 years, that i'm going to beat joe biden. we choose truth over facts. poor kids are talented as white kids. jack, thank you very much. >> it is chris. >> i just did chris. i don't know, i just did chuck. >> by the way this is my little sister valerie, and i'm jill's husband. they switched on me. this is my wife. this is my sister. they switched on me. elizabeth: you know, trump campaign officials say biden is a quote trojan horse for the far left agenda. "boston herald" running an op-ed from peter lucas, "washington post," "new york times" downplaying importance of debates because they're trying to protect joe biden. your reaction to that?

there is legitimate concerns. by keeping him in the basement that will put pressure on him to perform in the debate. we know president trump is excellent and entertaining debater. he will face a tough challenger there. i think the american public will have tough decision to make after that. elizabeth: kelsey, great to see you, thanks for joining us. we have more show after the break

♪. elizabeth: welcome back. "the hill" magazine now says the 2020 election, it is just three months away, it is now on track to be the most litigated in u.s. history. president trump and former vice president joe biden both have put together and marshalled an expansive legal where chest, armies of attorneys on each side to fight over the results. let's welcome former wisconsin governor, 2016 presidential candidate, got scott walker. thank you for joining us. 2018 was a record for election litigation. 2020 will be worse than that? can the country stand this? >> battle over ballots democrat in states like mine are trying to flood the states with ballots

and republicans are trying to make it easy to vote but hard to cheat. they're sending to every address may or may not have an eligible voter there, that is fraught with fraud. democrats like jimmy carter in the past raised that concern. that is exactly why the trump campaign and the rnc are right to push back against this. it should be easy to vote but hard to cheat. elizabeth: the republican national committee has $20 million reports say to oppose democrat-backed effort to ease voting restrictions. joe biden says his campaign assembled 600 attorneys. so the voting rules in key battleground states governor are in court fights happening right now. that could influence the outcome of the presidential race. your thoughts on that? >> we need to deal with this. new york state they have got a primary still up in the air even though a month after the election. we saw in new jersey earlier this year the governor ordered 100% election by ballot. all the chaos and concerns they

had. even naacp raised concerns. that city council special election. there is a big difference, a lot of democrats are trying to confuse people thinking that it is just like absent tee ballots. it is not. as an eligible voter i can ask for ash sent tee ballot. that can be mailed to me. what democrats doing in california, across the country to mail to every address that might have an eligible voter. that voter might have been gone six weeks, six months, six years ago. fought with fraud. yes, exactly right. that is why the rnc is right to push back on it. elizabeth: yeah. i hear what you're saying. five states have mail-in voting but you know the point is, they have very strict oversight of it. absent tee ballots have be absenttee ballots have strict oversight. this is flooding the zone with mail-in ballots even if the owner is not on the other end of it. ag barr says a lot of hands touch the mail-in ballots before

it gets to the count. your reaction? >> exactly. you still see stories across the country with ballots coming in late. even a post office played around with someone's absentee ballots. think about this, your own home, particularly live in apartment building, all the circular things, all the newspapers, all the flyers, so much junk mail. imagine flooded with ballots sent just because there might have been someone with an eligible voter at that address. that is a huge problem. we need to guarranty every single vote and protect it. it should be easy to vote but make it difficult to cheat. elizabeth: let's move on to this. separate case. sunday on msnbc democrat val demings of florida, coning woman demings of florida has been mentioned as a potential veep contender for joe biden says, president trump, is quote willing to cheat to win. she said that included for rip powers interfering in the election. congresswoman demings says the

president is doing everything he can to instill fear and divide the nation putting federal forces in city to stop destruction and rioting. your reaction to that. >> just absolutely ridiculous. in fact joe biden the other day made a point insinuating about russia. hey, joe, did you forget you were vice president of the united states in 2016. all this hype and hysteria about russia, all the hysteria about foreign intervention there were clearly attempts to be made, but it wasn't clear it was who was for or against. reality obama and biden were in charge. they didn't fix it then. we're now cleaning up the mess thereafter. you have democrat after democrat at the federal, state, local level trying to take it out on donald trump. elizabeth: governor, your thoughts on the first debate now scheduled for september 29th in cleveland? your thoughts about the first presidential debate? >> i think it is going to be a big deal. i think they're trying to lower expectations for joe biden. but as you talked about in the previous segment, the bottom line this is guy who has been

challenged long before now. he have will be challenged again in this debate. elizabeth: okay. governor, great to see you come back soon. i'm elizabeth macdonald. you've been watching the evening educate on fox business. that does it for us. thanks for watching. stay with us tomorrow night. we'll have a o lot of headlines for you ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. as we begin this week, the body count may be rising from this weekend's violence. dozens of people were shot. at last count that number, 27 people killed by gunfire over the weekend. radical dems had their way in many of the country's largest cities as fundamental transformation that the left sought in the obama era seems now underway in those cities. democrat leaders condoning the mayhem that's overtaking their streets and neighborhoods, sanctioning the violence by effectively restraining law

enforcement, and in some