they're looking for some other way to do it. i would say i already ordered my absentee ballot, so i'm good to go, connell. connell: there you go. see you from georgia and florida later in the week. "lou dobbs tonight" starts right now. thanks for joining us. ♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. delegates at the republican national convention today unanimously and officially nominating president trump and vice president mike pence to lead them to another victory in november. the republicans' nomination announced after an in-person roll call vote in charlotte, north carolina, a move already upstaging the radical dems' dull, lackluster, even occasionally lifeless virtual roll call last week for china joe biden. both president trump and vice president pence made their own surprise in-person appearances in charlotte to thank all of the delegates from all across the

country. vice president pence rejected the radical dem' suggestion that, quote, democracy is on the ballot this november and offered this contrasting and much brighter message: >> the economy is on the ballot. [applause] law and order is on the ballot. [applause] our most cherished ideals of freedom and free markets are on the ballot, that's why we need four more years of president donald trump in the white house! lou: president trump afterwards giving his own rousing kickoff speech. he appeared in high spirits. president trump using the crowds chants of four more years to troll the radical dems and, of course, the left-wing national media. [cheers and applause] >> four more years! four more years!

four more years! four more years! four more years! >> if you want to really drive 'em crazy, you say 12 more years. [laughter] [cheers and applause] lou: president trump also warning the delegates about the radical dems' continued push for unsolicited mail-in voting, declaring that would open up november's election to outright fraud. >> 80 million mail-in ballots that they're working on, sending them out to people that didn't ask for 'em. they didn't ask, they just get 'em. and it's not fair, it's not right. you have to watch because bad things happened last time with the spying on our campaign, and that goes to biden and that goes to obama. and this time they're trying to do it with the whole post office scam. they'll blame it on the post office. you can see 'em setting it up. be very careful and watch it

very carefully, because we have to win. this is the most important election in the history of our country. lou: the president's remarks riling up the left-wing national media just as you would expect. cnn cut away from the president's speech after 20 minutes. they had important usual partisan analysis to offer their viewers. and msnbc, well, it tried to, quote, fact check the president with banners on their screen. both networks did no such thing during their nearly wall to wall coverage of the democrat national convention. msnbc pushing its usual priority-produced propaganda as did cnn. there you see the free air time for democrats. we'll keep you posted on how that works out over the course of this week with the republicans. the left-wing media doing their absolute worst to cut down opening speeches tonight at the rnc. what is it exactly they're

afraid of? scheduled to speak are the likes of donald trump jr., senator ted scott, house -- tim scott, house minority leader steve scalise, all going to cheer the president's agenda for the upcoming second term which includes the creation of 10 million new jobs, putting a stop to america's reliance on china, defending law enforcement and police, ending illegal immigration and eradicating the china virus. president trump is expected to speak again tonight at the convention where the president will thank front-line workers who are fighting the china virus pandemic. last night at the white house president trump announced a new weapon in that fight for those front-line workers, authorizing the emergency use of convalescent plasma if, an historic development in the president's operation warp speed which the president today once again praised. >> and yet you saw yesterday

con. v.a.less sent plasma -- convalescent plasma, you saw remdesivir, you'll soon see vaccines pouring out years ahead of what they would have been under a more traditional, let's use that term because it's nicer, a more traditional administration where they would have taken years to come up with this stuff. we're coming up with it like nobody's ever seen before. lou: the president obviously having a good time and the delegates, certainly, as well. president trump expect republican convention underway, another democrat-run city though is dealing with violent chaos. police in kenosha, wisconsin, shot a black man, jacob blake, seven times in the back as he tried to get into his car. he appeared to be reaching for something in the front seat of that car. police say they were there to respond to a domestic incident

but gave no further details about what led up to the shooting. witnesses claim blake was trying to break up a fight between two women when officers arrived. one witness reports blake pushed past police and was tasered before the shooting. the shooting caused arson, vandalism and thugs to riot in the streets. businesses were torched, buildings destroyed. the mob even knocked one police officer unconscious, throwing a brick at him. watch this. >> [bleep] [background sounds] lou: democrat leaders like wisconsin governor tony evers is have yet to condemn such violation. the governor tweeted in part that, quote: we stand with all those who have and continue to demand justice, equality and accountability for black lives in our country. end quote. joe biden and his running mate,

kamala harris, also fanning flames of racial tension. biden called the shooting another example of, quote, systemic racism. harris used a tweet to demand an immediate investigation of the shooting as if there wouldn't be one. a curfew already imposed for tonight, a state of emergency has been declared in kenosha, wisconsin, trying to curb a second night of rioting. left-wing activist sean king also contributing to tensions. he tweeted his own version of a rallying cry for the left-wing mob. he tweeted today that, quote: i'm not going to call for peace. we tried peace for years. y'all don't understand that language. excuse me. we are calling for a complete dismantling of american policing. it's not broken, it was built to work this way and mayhem is the consequence. you earned it. king's endorsement of mob

violence on the streets of america also an endorsement of another deadly weekend across the country in democrat-run cities. 66 people shot, 5 killed in chicago. at least 45 more shot, 8 killed in new york city. police in portland declared a riot on what is now the 88th straight night of violence in that city. left-wing activists set fire at the city's north precinct. they attacked police officers. they were throwing rocks, bottles and using lasers against the officers. the violence in these democrat-run cities ignored last week by the radical dems' convention as was the threat of china. president trump today made it clear china will be a focus of this convention and his campaign leading up to election day. president trump says china has taken advantage of our nation for decades, and it will only get worse if he isn't president.

>> china had the worst year they've had in 67 years. [applause] prior to the plague, the worst year they've had in decades and decades, and we had the best year we've ever had. but we took in billions from china. we never took in ten cents from china, they took -- china, for 25 year, not only obama, for 25 years china was taking in anywhere between $200 billion, with a b, and $550 billion from the united states. finish i give 'em all the credit, number one, for being smart and outfoxing all of the people that stood here and their representatives, but china, we built china. we helped -- we gave them 3, 4, 500 billion a year. because before that and before the world trade organization and they getting into it, china was flatlined.

china was -- it was after that happened, and then they took advantage of us because we didn't have people that were smart enough to see. and, by the way, biden would be the worst of all of them, because his son took out $1.5 billion, and he gets fees on $1.5 billion which is millions of dollars a year. give me a break. >> right. >> china will own our country if this guy gets elected. [cheers and applause] lou: the president's comments come as the justice department arrested and charged zendong chang, a texas a&m professor and nasa researcher, who was secretly collaborating with a chinese university and at least one chinese-owned company as part of china's government's thousand talents program. he u.s. attorney ryan patrick say, -- saying, quote: china is building institutions with bricks stolen from others all around the world.

the chinese talents program exploits our open and free universities to say nothing of what has been lax enforcement of u.s. law, and that is apparently ending. it was a strong day on wall street, a record-setting day on wall street as we begin this new saiding week. the dow rally ared 378ing points -- rallied 378 points. the s&p hitting hitting a new rd close, 16th of this year. the nasdaq up 68 points, its 37th record close of the year. this is a rebound, ladies and gentlemen. volume on the big board, 3.8 billion shares. crude oil finishing at $42.44 a barrel. a reminder to listen to my reports three times a day coast to coast on the salem radio network. up next, schools across the nation changing their curriculum because of black lives matter? we'll tell you just how many teachers support the marxist

movement when we come back. our guest, larry elder. and my new book, "the trump century: how our president changed the course of history forever," now available for preorder. get your copies at any new web site, lou dobbs shop.com as well as amazon.com. we'll be right back, please stay with us.

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lou: breaking news now, jerry fallwell jr. has resigned as president of liberty university. his resignation comes after falwelled had said he and his wife were being blackmailed by their former pool boy and family friend identified as john carlo e branda. falwell's wife apparently had an affair with him and the falwell's invested in a gay-friendly hostel that he ranch falwell claims the man tried to extort them, asking for large amounts of money to keep their activities secret, an allegation that granda denies. falwell out. also break tonight, the radical left teaching our children is changing curricula

in response to black lives matter. one black superintendent near fort worth, texas, says, quote: we can't control what happens with the police, but we can control what happens in our school systems. i guess parents and school boards have nothing to do about that. a recent education week survey found 81% of teachers support the black lives matter movement. the marxist movement, black lives matter. by the way, 70% of u.s. teachers are in teachers' unions. well, writer georgia mel hill says, quote: if you were of the opinion that the united states wasn't nearly as bad as nazi germany, how wrong you are, end quote. hill is working on a documentary on colin kaepernick for disney. here's nfl commissioner roger goodell on not listening to kaepernick. >> i bush we had listened

earlier. kap, to what you were kneeling about and what you were trying to bring attention to. we've invited him in several times to have the conversation, have the dialogue. i wish we had the benefit of that. we never did. and, you know, we would have benefited from that -- >> yep. >> absolutely. lou: well, joining us mow is larry elder, host of the larry elder show on the salem radio network, also the executive producer of the extraordinary documentary: uncle tom: the oral history true of american black conservatives. great to have you with us. let's start, first of all, the spectacular remarks of roger goodell, he wished that he had listened to colin kaepernick earlier. your reaction to that. >> i think it's just extraordinary the way this so-called black lives matter

movement has cowed all of these people into making these statements. the whole thing is premised upon a false notion, that black people are being killed by the police just because they're black. the data do not support that, if anything, the police are more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black person than a white person. and there's no perspective here. there are 50 million interactions with the police every single year that result in about 10 million arrests, about 60,000 officers were assaulted in 2017, and despite all of that, in quotes, about 1,000 people were kill by the police, 500 were white, by the way, and at least as many unarmed whites if not more are killed by the police every single year, but the media, van jones, msnbc, they don't seem to care if it's a white person being killed by a cop. so the whole thing is driven by this lie that america remains an institutionally racist nation, and the reasons for that lie because the democrats need that

lie to frighten blacks into pulling that lever for them and to convince guilty white people to do the same thing. it's hurting the country because what happens is the police pull back, bad guys know that, and the people who are hurt are the very people that black lives matter claim to care about. lou: are you shocked in any way that so many americans are just rolling over for the nonsensical claim that police departments everywhere are monolithic, that they are flawed, that there is systemic racism rampant? you know, where the hell is is, where where the hell were these people for the last 50 years? [laughter] how many of them didn't see the progress this country hats made? -- has made? i mean, it's really stunning to me. and corporations are supporting this activism that is marxist in philosophy, in tactic.

it's really deeply troubling. >> i am surprised. when you look at police departments like in chicago, hike in new york, like in l.a., the departments pretty much reflect the demographics of their city, and these cities have had police chiefs of color, at least chicago has and l.a. has. l.a. had back to back black police chiefs, lou, from 1992-2002 during the o.j. simpson case, and that didn't stop people from accusing the lapd of framing ab incident man by the racist lapd. so i am surprised by all of this. i would have thought, for example, you have a police chief in minneapolis who's black and hispanic. i would have thought, therefore, that would have caused the community to feel, okay, maybe sometimes bad things are going to map, but at least we've got somebody in charge who's going to launch a author row investigation. but it hasn't seemed to mollify the people in the streets. i don't know what they want. lou: well, they don't -- it's not just about the police department, because they want to tear the entire country down and

are doing so at every possible opportunity. no question, and they say it straight up, they want to alter our values, they want to change the way america operates, they don't care much for our heritage, our culture. it is, it is a cynical lot, the national left-wing media, who continue to support this marxist nonsense, this activism, this violent. jemele hill talking about this country, i mean, what she say -- when she says it's just as bad as nazi germany, where are the people who normally would be going through the roof at somebody using that kind of language, referring to nazi germany but letting this go unchallenged? it is absolutely ridiculous, a comment like that. it is obscene to say it. >> by the way, she's got the --

lou: i'm not asking her to take back her word, but it's obscene. >> i thought we'd entered into a new frontier when drew brees very innocently said i will never respect anybody who disrespects the flag, i will never agree with anybody. he apologizes, apologizes again,, then his wife apologizes. i'll tell you what, if and when mike ditka says -- apologizes, i'm moving to cuba. [laughter] lou: yeah. [laughter] well, you don't have to get your -- [laughter] i can assure you of that. larry eller, good to have you with us. we'd like to hear your thoughts, share your comments. follow me on twitter @loudobbs like me on facebook, follow me on instagram @loudobbstonight. john solomon, dr. michael pillsbury among our guests tomorrow. we would like you to join us, please. we thank you for being with us

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lou: a lot of, lot of problems about ballots in the mail. it turns out that every concern about absentee voting and mail-in ballots is pretty well justified. 72% of absentee voting precincts in detroit -- think about this, 72% -- did not match the number of ballots cast in the state's primary three weeks ago. back in 2016 presidential candidate jill stein wanted a

recount in michigan, but 37 of detroit's precincts couldn't do it because this were more ballots in the voting machines than a what poll workers had counted. the democrats want you to believe there's no problem with this? are you kidding? john brennan, james comey, they don't think they're targets of john durham's obamagate investigation. brennan says durham told him during husband 8-hour interview -- his 8-hour interview at the cia headquarters friday that he wasn't. now, why would they be at the cua headquarters? does that strike you as passing strange? it does me. comey says, by the way, he can't imagine that he's a target. i wonder what the people at the cia think. durham hasn't said that they are targets. he hasn't said they aren't. joining us tonight is tom fitton. he is e the president of judicial watch. he has a new book, it's called "a republic under assault: the

left's ongoing attack on american freedom." it's available for preorder right now, we recommend it to you huguely. tom fitton -- highly. tom fitton, good to see you. this is, first of all, explain to me how the former cia director under investigation by durham, whether he's a target or not, is at the cia headquarters for that investigation? >> well, it sounds like old home week. main they needed to i are view -- maybe they needed to review classify information. of course, that could have been done at another location. my concern is it's been, what, 16-plus months since durham was appointed and only now is he questioning mr. brennan. and, you know, i think mr. brennan is probably calling it right. i hope he's wrong that he isn't a target, i think comey believes he isn't a target. and they might think otherwise if there were serious investigations or serious investigative approach evidence, and i'm not seeing it.

i don't see grand juries operating, i don't see a bunch of witnesses coming in, i don't see lawyers complaining about their clients being brought in before durham. you saw during the mueller investigation, that's what a serious criminal investigation looks like. each though it was corrupted, you know -- even though it was corrupted, you know when the government's bringing pressure on witnesses and suggests, and that is not evident here. i don't think it's because he's being careful, i think it's because he's not doing the work. lou: you think durham is not doing the work. so what you're really saying, it seems to me if i'm inferring correctly, is that if he's not doing the work, this investigation is a sham. >> the clinesmith prosecution was handed to him on a silver platter last year, and the guy finally pleads out -- lou: we're talking about kevin clinesmith. >> the fbi lawyer who altered ld

the document about carter page. he bleeds out and -- pleads out and says, yeah, i did it, but i didn't mean anything. i thought it was -- [inaudible conversations] lou: and was allowed to do so, again, in a court by a, the presiding judge of the fisa courts which had been defrauded by this man who seemed to take it all in his, you know, candy and syrup. it was ridiculous. and what, and what did the government get for it? nothing that we can see. clinesmith looks like he's free as a bird. i just wonder who you're going, you know, we're going to be comparing him to and what, and why this fbi has taken 16 months to get to this point. i have to tell you with, i'm a little concerned that the fbi is no longer an investigative agency, because if this is the way they operate, it's going to take them decades to deal with

anything of real complexity. this had a lot of moving parts, but the fact is what is in the public, public view right now is enough to bring charges against i don't know how many people, you name the number, 12, 24. it's ridiculous. >> well, clinesmith wasn't arrested, but they managed to arrest steve bannon. the comparison and contrasting, to me, is just remarkable. lou: so absentee ballots, the president says, are all right. mail-in votes are not. we're watching, again, more problems with these mail-in votes. why in the world isn't somebody doing something about it? it's really deeply concerning that we're going into an election on november 3rd, and i don't know how much strength the

republican party has at each voting place, and meanwhile it looks like there may be about 80 million ballots that should be questioned because of what we're seeing now just produced anecdotally in jurisdiction and state after state. >> 61 million otts are going -- ballots are going to be mailed out. not to people who have asked for them, just mailed straight out. so you're going to have the system awash in ballot and ballot applications. in the primaries, according to the "the washington post" just recently, across the country they threw out at least 334,000 ballots. push that up during the november elections. you're talking potentially millions of americans relying on the mail to vote, mistakenly in my view. to me, it's a moral obligation to get people to vote in person because i don't want your vote or anyone else's vote, lou, to be lost in the mail or not counted because our election

system's been overwhelmed. lou: well, and everyone remembers the president talking about we might have to do the election over. he said that just off the cuff. the fact is that's exactly what's happening in paterson, new jersey, where the city council election there, there's allegation of a mail-in -- >> right. lou: -- voter fraud. and so they're going to have to do that election over. and it's happening in jurisdiction after scwurs diction. tom fitton, great to have you with us. good to see you, thank you. up next, former president obama reveals just how radical joe biden's presidency might be if he were to win. we take that up and more in just a few moments. and my new book, "the trump century: how our president changed the course of history forever," you can preorder it. get your copies at my web site, lou dobbs loudobbsshop.com and amazon.com. we're coming right back.

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♪ ♪ lou: earlier in the broadcast we told you cnn cut away from president trump's speech at the republican national convention in charlotte. listen to what cnn's anderson cooper and john kingman said about what they had heard from the president of the united states. >> john king, i mean, this was very similar, i mean, it is sort of all the most recent greatest

hits and false statements by the president, and i imagine what we're going to hear a lott this week from the president who clearly wants to be out front every single day. >> it underscores the challenge in the news. really for people watching at home if you are a voter who has not decided, if you are a voter who is not firm in your decision to watch the next four days, because this is a sad thing to say, but a lot of what you just heard from the president of the united states is wrong, misleading or outright lies. wrong, misleading or outright lies. lou: john king. wow. quite -- i mean, what you're watching over there, if you're watching it at all, is, it's bizarre. as if there is no conscience, no standard, and they represent all of that. well, breaking news now, the national left-wing media celebrating former arizona senator jeff flake as he becomes just the latest rino to endorse

china joe biden. the trump campaign says, quote: joe biden has been a failure in the washington swamp for half a century, so no one should be surprised when swamp creatures gather to protect one of their own. [laughter] rinos backing joe biden insist he is a moderate and won't take a hard turn to the. [laughter] you think we're -- to the left. do you think we're approaching the election? however, former president obama says quite the opposite. he says there isn't much difference between biden and. sanders. obama telling the new yorker, quote: if you look at joe biden's goals and bernie sanders' goals, they're not that different from a 40,000-foot level. don't you love how the former president considers himself to be at the 40,000-foot level? going on, he said a lot of times the issue has to do with, quote, how do we go about that and what are the coalitions we need. what i think the moment has done is to change some of those calculations not necessarily

because joe's changed, but because circumstances have changed. and he went on and on. we didn't. michigan governor gretchen whitmer running the return of college football for the big ten conference. several of the venn national big ten athletic workers are -- iowa, nebraska, ohio state and penn state, but one reporter covering ohio state says the michigan governor is blocking the wolverines from playing, and there are a lot of upset folks in the big ten. talk about traditional football, tough, hard-nosed football? well, not this fall. apparently. we'll see. china joe biden trying to laugh off the idea that he's afraid to leave his basement. he tried to laugh it off. here he is talking with abc's

david muir. >> when you hear the president say this guy's afraid to leave his basement -- >> guess what? [laughter] i have left my basement. but in the meantime, 500 million people have watched what i've done out of my basement. and guess what? people are listening. people are listening. lou: listening, he says. well, joining us now, former reagan white house political director, ed rollins are, new york post columnist michael goodwin. good to have you both with us. and let's start with that, that response to david muir and the tough follow-up questions that followed that. ed, your thoughts about what a grilling he took at the hands of abc news. >> well, he's not going to get a grilling anywhere from the mainstream media. they're more than content to let him sit in his basement, and they'll bring their cameras. bottom line is he's not going to

campaign in the traditional way, meanwhile the president's out there hitting several spots, and i think it'll have an impact. the other side of the story is here's a guy this that's had a history of plagiarism in his speeches, is and you would think on a major speech that he takes the last closing line from a former canadian socialist, you know, so i think he wants to hide out. i think it's a safe spot, feels comfortable, makes no mistakes in husband basement. if he does, they can cover i it up. lou: and others, michael, have been talking about biden plagiarizing two people, not only the canadian socialist, a few words if him, but himself in one of his older speeches, and i do mean older. your thoughts about plagiarizing yourself and canadian social u.s.es. socialists. >> well, i thought the, what was remarkable to me, lou, about that interview was the way, you know, 500 million people?

joe biden will say anything. if it's written down, it may well be plagiarized. but i'm just struck by how testy he becomes if he's challenged. and to me, when you watch more of that interview, these are generally softball questions, but they, but they go to the heart of his strategy, and he gets angry. he gets testy the same way he always does. and so i think the media is doing a great disservice by not pressing him. i mean, every time he fights back like that, you see them kind of pull back. and i just think -- lou: yeah. >> -- it's really outrageous that he's, you know, obviously intends to stay the whole campaign in the basement, make very selective, discreet visits to campaign stops -- lou: let me -- >> just enough to show that he's not living full time in the

basement and then return there, and then he'll get coverage when he comes occupant as though it's a big deal -- lou: [inaudible] >> meanwhile, the president talks to the media almost every day. i mean, it's such a lopsided apparatus that's going on here, and yet biden is right in one thing, he's getting away with it. lou: he -- let's talk about muir. i mean, i don't know where his -- at some point i would think somebody's going to ask this former vice president a tough question. muir, i -- let's roll the sound in which he asks can you win a presidential election. he doesn't say from a basement, he says just from home. let's listen to this. >> can you win a presidential election from home? >> we will. we're going to follow the science. what the sciences tell us. we've been able to travel places when we've been able to do it in

a way that we don't cause a congregation of large numbers of people. lou: ed, your thoughts. muir, i mean, i can't imagine you asking that question any tougher than david muir did except the question is, can you win if home. >> the mainstream media's got the base, they're going to do whatever they can to get biden elected. they hate trump and hate trump's people. first question is why did you have over a thousand of your delegates not vote for the platform that you and bernie sanders and he worked out together? it came out today that a thousand of them voted no, over a thousand, because it wasn't progressive enough. the most socialist document to come out of the democratic party in a long, long time, and it's not good enough. so my sense is bernie sanders and them all said just be quiet and let's get him elected, then we'll get what we want. lou: that seems to be the plan. michael, you get the last quick

word. can biden win from his base. basement? >> well, i think he will stay there until it proves that he can't. and that's why i think the president has some openings this week, obviously, with the convention in terms of the things that, you know, that the delegates of the democrats are not on the same page on their agenda, the fact that he said nothing about the violence in the cities. i mean, the national urban crisis is a major opening for the republicans. and i think if the president has a strong convention and people begin to rally around him, then biden is going to have to come out of the basement. because the science no longer says you have to stay in the basement. the country is reopening. some of it fully open. so this notion that he's following the science by sitting in his basement is simply bunk. nobody is telling him to do

that -- lou: he's just saving the nation, michael. he's just saving the nation by not in any way interacting with the nation. ed rollins, michael goodwin, thank you both. appreciate it. up next, remember the left-wing national media's cries that there wouldn't be enough ventilators for china virus patients? well, they've got a new complaint. we'll take that up and more with dr. marc siegel. stay with us, we're coming right back. usaa insurance for veterans like liz and mike. an army family who is always at the ready. so when they got a little surprise... two!? ...they didn't panic. they got a bigger car for their soon-to-be-bigger family. after shopping around for insurance, they called usaa - who helped find the right coverage for them and even some much-needed savings. that was the easy part. usaa insurance is made the way liz and mike need it- easy.

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♪ ♪ lou: joining us now, fox news medical correspondent dr. marc siegel. doctor, good to have you with us. this convalescent plasma treatment, 35% reduction in mortality as a result of its application. this sounds like awfully good news, and we're being told it isn't by some a big deal. >> lou, it is big news. it's very suspicious about the politics of this, by the way, because con v.a. aless sent plasma has been used for 116 years for different diseases, and it's been tried now in 70,000 people, half of them at the mayo clinic, and they've shown a dramatic response among

all different groups even with low doses, high to doses. high doses did better. and it decreased the death rate over a month by about a third. so that's, of course, something that you want. and it makes me wonder who would -- lou: so why would -- [inaudible conversations] >> by the way -- lou: does it make -- wait a minute, doctor, wait a minute. i mean, these are doctors saying these things. these are not complete i id e yachts, as we would expect usually to be chiming in here. so why are doctors abandoning their science to engage in politics? this is a, definitely a troubling trend we're seeing particularly on the left. >> yeah, and i want to put it in sign terrific terms. by -- scientific terms. by the way, vice president biden said from his bunker follow the science? well, i'm going to follow the science here. lou, you don't need a double-blind, randomized trial

for every treatment, especially one that's a hundred years old, and the emergency release authorization is not licensing of the drug, just says you can use it -- lou: we're out of time. we're out of time. i got it. i got it. we're out of time. how are we doing right now against the virus? are we succeeding? >> we're doing a lot better -- lou: only got seconds here. >> -- [inaudible] and i want michigan football, by the way. they've been fighting michigan state since 1898. we've got to have michigan football. lou: dr. marc siegel -- [laughter] thanks a bunch. appreciate it. we're going to remind you that my new book is "the trump century," it's available at lou dobbs shop. we urge you to go there, loudobbsshop.com as well as amazon.com. we're coming right back, stay with us. es. for as little as $5, now anyone can own companies in the s&p 500,

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