facebook, look at microsoft. we're closing the show. look at them again. microsoft up five bucks at 221. facebook is up 15 at 295. both 5% gain for facebook, microsoft up 2%. what a day for those two. neil, it's yours. neil: stuart, thank you very, very much. i would not be surprised those in the gulf coast region are not necessarily looking at their 401(k)s or their financial statements. more concerned with life and death issues, barreling right down their back, hurricane laura, expected maybe to hit land, sometime late tonight, overnight as a category 4 hurricane. hundreds of thousands in the region are already evacuating. we'll talk to a top city mayor who started that process and where the process goes from there. jet's go to jeff flock following all the developments in port arthur, texas. jeff. reporter: i'm glad, neil, that you're leading with this one. you have a lot of other news out

today, the covid and convention, but this is a big deal. i'm outside in port arthur, texas. that is the biggest u.s. oil refinery. that is the motiva refinery. it is shut down, flaring some gas. just a skelton crew. they can't shut it completely down. that is shut. oil and gas throughout this region shut. but more importantly the people. take a look at the latest pictures of this morning people getting, the last plane out of saigon almost. the last few buses out of the port arthur dead center in the cone. we're dead set the eye of the storm could come ashore. if it is a cat-4 storm that comes ashore, and you're in the wall, you will get quite a ride. you point out unsurvivable water in terms of storm surge. we talked to some folks that stayed in other hurricanes but

after their experience, this time they say, i'm out of here. >> trying to stay, when they said it would be category, would end up being a category 4, the possibility we would be in the eye, that is kind of scary. with harvey, we went through it with harvey. no. let's go. let's get out of here. reporter: harvey, rita. they have seen it all here in this area of the country. the only positive, you talk about katrina being a catastrophic event. because it was over such a huge population area. this isn't a huge population area but anybody who is here, in addition to the oil and gas is going to get quite a ride. we'll be here, neil. neil: you know, i'm curious, jeff, have they talked about shelters? i'm just thinking of covid-19 and fears about distancing, all the rest, whether people are leery of that. they face it on one end but face it on the other?

reporter: you know, one of those deals you got to make a choice. you know, it is not an easy choice. they had to put more buses on. they don't want to pack the buses full. more buses. more shelters they tried to do. there is not a lot of good places to go here. this is all low ground. you see the water? i don't know if you can see it, right behind me is water. surrounding all this area. it is bayou and it is low land. when the water comes up, where are you going to go? you will hang from a pole somewhere. you said it. it is not good right now. neil: all right. hang in there, be careful my friend. we want to keep you safe as well. jeff flock no better following these types of things, why we keep assigning him to these type of things. we have the galveston, texas, mayor pro tem. mayor, you're very, very busy. we appreciate you taking the time. what is the latest you're hearing, particularly in your city?

>> right now we're following hurricane laura very closely. it has taken a turn a little bit to the east. we feel very concerned for our neighbors in port arthur and beaumont. we are close by. so if that hurricane turns to the west any at all, we'll be right in the cross-hairs of the hurricane. neil: now you early on had been recommending evacuations. how many have been heeding your warnings and advice, mayor? >> quite a few. we are, we went through ike. we remember that. a lot of the residents are really heeding the advice. we evacuated those that needed assistance yesterday. we got them out on buses. they are moving to austin, texas for housing up there. the rest of the residents have evacuated. those that have stayed, we notified them that if they have stayed, that they may not be able to have emergency services

if the conditions get very bad. neil: mayor, if you run into those that say all right, we'll try to evacuate. no way in heck do we want to go into a shelter, with the covid-19 concerns and everything else. so much your state has been through, with the earlier spikes, things stablizing now. but they're very leery of that. some would be more willing to ride out the storm than go to a shelter? >> well, you're right. that is what we run into at times. you know, it is a complex situation to evacuate residents and those that need assistance. when you throw this covid-19 situation into the mix, makes it a very challenging situation. we're doing everything we possibly can to maintain social distancing. to have of courses of course mandated. we have ambulances for those that need isolation and things like that. but it's a complex situation. you have to weigh the pros and cons and benefits and the

downside of it, when you make these decisions. neil: all right. hang in there, mayor. i know you have your work cut out for you. especially with fears of 15-foot storm surges. that is not survivable if you stick around the area. we'll follow it closely. mayor craig brown of galveston, texas. want to go to phil flynn. this is a big refinery area. one of the largest in the country is in that neck of the woods. galveston is one of the world's largest. they should them down in abundance of caution. normally prices would be spiking but aside from that it is excess supply for the time-being. what are we looking at pricewise? >> you're absolutely right. we have already seen gasoline prices go up in anticipation of the storm. the refiners shut. wholesale buyers bying as much gasoline as they co.

people starting to get out of the eye of the storm. starting to get out of the city. the initial surge in price. the big question, what happens next. we don't know yet. depends on laura. if laura does damage for the refinery, we could see sustained higher gas prices right now. right now it is hitting the heart of the u.s. refinery industry right now. we have not seen a direct hit like this to a potential refinery in 15 years. even hurricane harvey came in on an ingle and missed the refinery areas. but it flooded like crazy. we still had refinery issues that hiked prices like crazy. sometimes when you get the storms, the prices can go down after the initial surge. the main reason is because people don't travel. they don't go out. they're staying home. this storm, once it goes through and hits, it is going to boomerang back towards the east coast. there will be as many as five,

six, seven states, that impacted with bad weather, power outages that actually lowers demand. neil: you know, i'm just wondering, all of that the backdrop is kind ever interesting, because exxon sill soon be removed from the dow 30. it has been there since 1928, one way, shape or form. much oil itself has been getting pounded. demand isn't there. we overdid it, overfracked, that other stuff. you and i know a little bit about having oil energy plays in play but it comes at this time now where you realize you might say it's passe, man, oh, man, you miss it when it stops flowing. >> absolutely. i keep telling people the death of the internal combustion engine is exaggerated. we'll see demand for oil for a long time. i'll tell you this, when you

look at the u.s. energy industry, i feel for them. this is probably the most challenging year we've ever seen in the history of oil and goose. they're getting hit from every direction, whether covid-19 demand destruction, weather. it is opec price war. or it is this concern about world where we're not going to use oil in the future. it is really affecting investment. it is affecting the overall u.s. economy and we would like to see these guys get a break. we pray for the best outcome from the storm. we hope everybody stays safe, especially in the energy industry, because we need this industry. it has been a big boom to the economy. the energy industry has been there when we needed them in the past. let's hope they come through this a little better, that the rest of 2020 is better for them. neil: all right. thank you very much, my friend. to that point houston a big oil city, pounding on the theme phil was mentioning, closing a lot of restaurants stores, businesses

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♪. neil: all right. back to politics, we've got the big republican convention still going on. this is night number three. this is where things start escalating. fox business starts covering. we will be of course live tonight beginning with my buddy charles payne. after that take you through some big speeches later tonight with all our fox all-stars. this is important night for some of the what they call the future party luminaries, potential nominees themselves to showcase themselves. obviously vice president pence will be speaking. his wife will be speaking. senator joni ernst, a host of others will be speaking. the south dakota governor, kristi noem will be speaking. party luminaries to make the push, put donald trump over the

top, some polls indicate that is happening in battle ground states. before we get to that, go to hillary vaughn for what we're in for for night number three. hey, hillary. reporter: today will follow last night where it was blue-collar workers and small businessmen from key swing states like wisconsin and maine, really stole the show. talking about how business has been better after obama and biden left the white house and president trump moved in. >> he acknowledged the importance of farmers and agriculture. that support and focus on negotiating new trade deals gave us the confidence to rebuild our barn and dairy operation. >> as long as trump is president fishing families like mine will have a voice. but if biden wins, he will be controlled by the environmental extremists who want to circumvent longstanding rules and impose radical changes that hurt our coastal communities.

reporter: that lobster man, jason joyce said four years ago the obama-biden administration shut off thousands of miles of ocean, making them off limits to fishermen just to cater to environmental activists but president trump reversed that decision and also ended eu tariffs on lobster that taxed their products up to 20%. that got under biden's skin. the democrat ric nominee tweeting rare pointed response. only direct rebuttal come from him this whole week. president trump can try to shift blame all he wants, maine's hard-working lobstermen are hurting under his watch. they deserve better. as president i will work to protect the livelihood of and safety of fishing community. the biden campaign made a flashpoint in this election. targeted white house larry kudlow for referring to the pandemic in the past test. kudlow made the case of biden's promise to eliminate trump's tax cuts and raise taxes by

trillions on day one. >> this is no time for a 4 trillion-dollar tax hike, coming out of the deep pandemic, who in their right mind would pick the pockets of taxpayers and drain money from their wallets and purses? reporter: neil, tonight, vice president mike pence will officially accept his nomination as vp for the second time. we will have live special coverage, analysis of those remarks on fox business network starting 9:00 p.m. tonight's theme, is "land of heroes." pence will speak at for the mchenry, the battle site of the war of 1812 that inspired "the star-spangled banner." they could get a permanent mitt that would allow a live audience, neil. we'll see who will be in the audience for those remarks. neil. neil: hillary vaughn, thank you very much. maybe it is not exclusively the economy, stupid. maybe the battle this election

year is about the virus and presumed response to it and maybe ongoing protests escalated as you know. kenosha, wisconsin, last night two people were killed in a third night of protests since the shooting of a black man many people will argue was unjustified. be that as it may, it could be a sign that the law and order issue emerges. president's response toe the virus and not so much the economy. too soon to tell. steve moore is with us. of course the freedom works economic contributor, trumponomics author. we have ethan berman with us, radio host, slightly more liberal preference. steve, on this issue that the larry kudlow is saying now is not the time to raise taxes, well if you're arguing that things are great, the economy is roaring back now, could be a fine time to raise taxes. you can't have it both ways, can you? >> well, ohio of hi, neil, good

to be with you. larry was not saying we were out of the woods. last three months we have nine million additional jobs. but we still have something like 12 or 13 million jobs to go where we want to be. i think larry is saying. we made progress. we have a lot of work to be done. i happen to agree with him. i know you're not surprised about this, neil, raising taxes on american investors and american small businesses and our corporations would just lead to flood of capital leaving the united states and going to other countries. that is very valid point. biden will have to explain how that big tax increase is going to help the economy. neil: you know, ethan, even barack obama held off on raising taxes on the upper income, which he wanted to do, but he held off for some years because the economy was deemed too precarious to do so. so is now the time to do so? >> well i don't think it will happen right now.

clearly we haven't come out of the trump chaos economy, the trump deficit, 6.6 trillion additional dollars adding to our national debt, even when the economy was strong, thank you to president obama, who created 1.5 million more jobs in his last three years than trump did in his first three years, even carrying over from president obama. so i don't know that right this minute is not when joe biden is talking about adding new taxes. he doesn't take office until january anyway. the goal is for us to actually have a cohesive national strategy to address covid which is how we get the economy to come back. so when steve moore points out nine million jobs, those are not added jobs. those are recovered jobs that were destroyed because we didn't have a cohesive national response to a pandemic after trump removed obama's pandemic team. look, it is about the coronavirus. it is about covid-19. that is how we get the economy back. yes, we do need to pay a little

more taxes because those at the highest end receive the greatest benefit of the republican tax cut of 2018. so we need some -- neil: i just want to know, i have want to know ethan what is fair share. when i hear fair share, i'm not paying fair share. if we got 35%. 39.6%. we got it to 40%. seems a moving target. i get your point. comparing years in office and presidents you can argue the last three of the obama administration, first three of the trump administration. you can leave out the first five of the obama administration. get different numbers. each side can play with that. but steve, i do want to pound on a point that might be integral here. republicans always prided themselves on watching the spending like me raising to a ponderosa buffet, out of control. who are they to struck anyone on

fiscal propriety and discipline. >> that is a fair point. republicans spent a lot of money. we spent two trillion dollars on the pandemic. by the way on the national response we got a little bit of hint of joe biden the other day what he might want as national response, would be this catastrophic idea we would shut down the entire national economy. you want to see great depression you do that on top of problems we had. i can't believe joe biden said that. he did say it. if his quote, scientists want to shut down the economy he would do it. look, right now, you have debates going on as we speak, neil, between nancy pelosi and donald trump. trump wants to do a trillion dollar stimulus plan that includes the payroll tax cut. pelosi is at $3 trillion almost a trillion dollars for the blue states, cities that are so near bankruptcy. it's a little bit hard to say it is trump's deficits when pelosi

wants to spend three times as much as he does. neil: ethan, be that as it may, deficits will keep piling off no matter who is in office for the time-being, i'm just wondering whether the markets will be clueing us in on something, that regardless who gets in, they're relying on the federal reserve to keep things kind of copastetic. what do you think of that? >> i think it is dangerous territory, neil. it is interesting, steve moore and i, and you and i have talked about this over the years. look, people, especially on the right have one response when the federal reserve was doing this after the great recession, when obama was in office and cautioning the federal reserve propping up the markets this way. i actually share some of that concern. i'm worried what that does long term, if it makes us too reliant on the federal government for this type of economic growth, which again this economic growth is really limited to the shrinking number of people who

own stocking stocks in the marketplace, who are benefiting from the market continuing to do well. i have celebrate the american economy doing well but i don't want it to be limited to the top 1% or 5% or 10%. it needs to be broader, broader. neil: wait a minute on that. >> yeah. neil: almost six out of 10 americans have some interest directly or indirectly in the stock market. they see it in their pension statements. they see it in the 401(k)s. they see it in their teachers union contracts and everything else. so it is not as if this is just a slice of the grey poupon crowd, right? we're minimizing the market impact on a much broader base of the american people? >> well, i mean don't disagree with you, we have pension funds, which republicans aring shrinking them, pension funds fighting against unions like braces in california. really bluntly, neil, you know this through the covid crisis, that top .001% of the wealthiest of the wealthy gained

$574 billion in net worth during a pandemic. we have tens of millions of people who are out of work, who are desperate to put food on the table, who can't pay the rent. we don't have a good national strategy to keep people housed. we'll have a major housing homelessness crisis if we don't address that when we talk about deficit spending, that is where it should be focused. not on propping up people who are benefiting tremendously through all of this. look, i want everybody to succeed. i just don't want a handful of people to succeed when the government is picking these types of winners, losers, major subsidies in the marketplace or major subsidies of certain oligarchs. that is not good for america or good for democracy. neil: i want everyone to succeed except you two guys because you argue. i'm kidding. steve, let me get real quick your take on the gap between the rich and poor. to be fair it happens in republican and democratic

administrations. there have been various ways to flair row that. higher taxes on wealthy to narrow the gap. others spur business investment. with bill clinton it was the internet boom. it is always short-lived, the gap continues to widen. if the president were reelected, does he care about electing that? the fear he doesn't? >> that is a great question. i think donald trump cares about growth. grow the economy, get everyone better off. as my buddy larry kudlow said in his great speech last night, we do want a rising tide that lifts all boats. i never liked the class warfare argument, take from this group, give to that group. do what kennedy did, reagan did, trump did in the first you few years get everybody working out there. one quick thing in passing i agree it is a tragedy. we should get every single american owning stock. neil, they should be watching your show and should be invested

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♪. [. [gunfire] neil: two people were killed in the protests in kenosha, wisconsin, last night. another one clinging to life.

the third night of protests following the sunday shooting of jacob blake that has raised a lot of questions about why the officers did what they did. there is no way to tell. investigations are ensuing here, but many family members and others said, there has not been enough done to communicate with the family and to justify the attempted killing, they said of a black man. ongoing fears are persisting because there is talk of still a fourth night of protests planned for this evening. mike tobin in kenosha with more. hi mike. reporter: there were armed counterprotesters last night. the county sheriff used the term vigilante. we started getting scattered traffic there were armed conflicts with the counter protesters and black lives protesters at the gas station behind me. all at once a quick volley of gunfire came from this direction.

people started shouting for medics. as we went to check out what was happening down here, there was a big melee of gunfire. [shouting] [gunfire] >> get down. get down. get down. [gunfire] reporter: when the chaos cleared there were multiple shooting scenes. police say two people were shot, two people were killed. one person was injured. by our observation, the person who was injured was shot through the arm. people on the street say he walked himself into an emergency room. police are still searching for a suspect. all of that follows another night of cops and protesters with this back and forth exchange that has become standard at these big riots or demonstrations. the county courthouse has become a flashpoint. there is a big fence around the county courthouse. [inaudible]. cops responded with riot gear, with tear gas, with rubber bullets. with pepper balls. the protesters are armed with

bottles. they're using fireworks, rather powerful fireworks and makeshift shields. ultimately multiple shields with riot gear forced demonstrators away from the park across from the county courthouse. that is when you had all the friction with the gunfire. lost on all of this, update on james blake. he went through several surgeries. he has multiple injuries to his internal organs, stomach, liver, spinal cord yesterday. the family does not know if he will ever walk again, neil? neil: incredible. mike tobin, thank you very much. giano caldwell how many times have we got together on this show, other shows, violent protests that turn deadly. here we go again. what do you think? >> it is quite a sad situation when we're looking at numbers according to one report in 2019, there were 1004 people shot by

the police. when the broke broke it down by race, african-americans were shot at higher rate. notwithstanding if there was a situation that may have happened, the person may have a gun or knife, whatever the case may be, it is still pretty large numbers whether we're looking at civilians and the police. this is very disturbing trend now. this situation, in and of itself we really need to wait for the facts to come out. we really do need to wait for the investigation to be complete before we begin to make suggestions about what exactly happened. it didn't make sense to me that a police officer would shoot some one in the back seven times while their kid in there it seems. very excessive with a number of officers. again so important it wait for the facts to surface before coming up with an opinion. but in this situation i think there is a lot of people hurting especially in the era of george floyd. we've seen a number of instances through social media where

african-americans have had situations, run-ins with the police where they were shot unjustly. i believe the country is waking up. this is even more indicative of the fact that we need police reform and better training for officers. neil: you know, gianno, i thought the most impressive person i've seen in this whole unfortunate tragedy is the victim's mom, urging calm. urging people to show respect to one another. living up to our high standards as a country. that is someone who darn near lost their son or facing the prospect of a paralyzed son for the rest of his life, rest of her life, yet she kept her composure. what did you think of that? >> yeah. you know, i think it is a blessing to have a mom who can see the light at the end of the tunnel. and for her son who is in the hospital who may never walk again, i'm sure that was one of the hardest things she could have said. we've also seen other folks who

family have been victims. george floyd's brother, who said, you're not rioting and looting in the name of my brother. he wouldn't have wanted that. i think that is great so many people have that kind of mentality and attitude, but what people really want to see, at this point in time is real change. it is so unfortunate what the democrats did when senator tim scott came up with a police reform measure and democrats really left the room during negotiations because they wanted to use it as an issue for the election. it shows who really cares about black lives. i said time and time again. democrats don't care about black lives. they care about black votes. it continues to ring true this is not a political issue. this is about life 100%. we must work together as a country to solve these crises. if we allow political divisions to stop us, we're not longer a country. neil: giano caldwell, we needed

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♪. neil: all right. she was a star at last night's gop convention in which she spoke to those that attended, jenette jeanette nunez, republican florida lieutenant governor. obviously a state dealing with

aggressive back and forth getting kids back at school. a judge already halted florida public schools from reopening citing safety concerns. governor good to have you back with us. i guess what is increased the safety concern is a report that 9,000 new cases of kids contracting the virus have brought the total to 50,000 over this roughly three to four-week period. what is going on? is it a worry to you? is it reason enough to go slow on getting everyone back, what do you think? >> well i think certainly we have gone slow here in florida, neil. we have 64 counties are in face two. other three counties, miami-dade, beau ward, palm beach, with majority of cases are in phase one. they have not gone back. they will commence virtually. however a number of school districts proceeded with going back. parents have the option. if they don't feel it is safe

for their child for a whole host of reason, they can keep their kids home doing online. that is the crux of this discussion. i don't know why it became so political but it is about parents choice. it is about making sure that each child has access to the best quality education. i think there is no doubt in anyone's mind that the best place for a child to learn in terms of the environment is in the classroom. so our goal is eventually to get them there but obviously to allow for individual choice from the parents, the students, and the teachers as well. neil: i couldn't understand this judge's decision, governor, where, i guess the fear was of immediately going back in person. what will that decision mean? i know it is being appealed, what would that mean, if you had to stick to the letter of that decision? >> well, neil, horn necessarily i think we're going to wait and see what the appeals court determines. i know the commissioner of

education -- neil: we lost our feed to the lieutenant governor. we just don't know. to get to the point, we just don't know. everything has been going florida's way of late with number of new cases and worrisome cases and positive test results, you know, igniting concern, that was very pronounced, easing up a little bit. i think, the lieutenant governor is back with us. i am wondering though, stepping back from this, governor, is it your sense florida is through the worst of it? the uptick in cases and kids notwithstanding, some other metrics we use, new cases, worrisome cases, those in hospitals, those sadly dying, they have all been trending down. do you think that continues? this latest news on kids notwithstanding? >> we certainly hope that trend continues. we believe that it will. we've seen like you said, the worst of it. the peak was somewhere mid-july.

what we've seen of late is reduction, dramatic reduction in hospitalizations, people on vents, people in icus. this virus will be with us for a while. i think everyone understands that. that is really the focus of trying to open safely, recognizing there is a potential for a vaccine by the end of the year in record time. but that doesn't necessarily mean people are going to want to get a vaccine, right? we know, just from a flu vaccine, a lot of people choose not to get it. so we'll certainly be vigilant. we'll continue to monitor all the important metrics. as you know, neil, it is very difficult when you look at one piece of data on any given stay, you want to make sure you look at it holistically. that the data is accurate, consistent, reliable. that is why we look at things on a two-week rolling basis. we look at trends. everything points to florida going in the right direction. neil: we'll watch very closely. lieutenant governor, thank you very much. i want to switch over to louisiana right now where the

governor, john bel edwards is updating us from baton rouge, how the state is preparing for what could be a doozy after hurricane. hurricane laura clocking winds that make it a category 3 but could be a category 4 literally hours from now. let's listen in. >> you see almost the entire parish shows possibly nine feet of inundation from hurricane laura. that goes through calshoo parish. lake charles, that have not seen flooding before, neighborhoods and businesses. one thing i want to point out, that is if the track holds exactly as we see it. the strongest surge will be dictated by that track but as we look at it right now this is the most dangerous zone to be in when it comes to storm surge and the word unsurvivable is not one

that we like to use and, it is one that i have never used before. so this is, what is most likely the worst case for southwest louisiana. as we branch out though, i do want to show that again this storm has wide, sweeping impacts well outside of the most dangerous zone that we just talked about. there will be life-threatening storm surge as far east as morgan city. so even interests that far east, people that far east need to be concerned if you have anything to do with what is going on at the coast right now. there will even be coastal flooding, issues of a more minor nature across southeastern louisiana and into the tidal lakes. unfortunately the maps i showed you do not account for rainfall. those are just storm surge. so on top of the inundation that is possible from hurricane laura

as it comes on schorr, we're looking up to 10, 15 inches of rain in localized areas and coastal areas of the state. you put that on top of seawater coming in, you can imagine the picture this may paint. inland as far as north shreveport flash flooding will be possible. again all portions of western louisiana need to understand that the heavy rainfall can create quick flash flooding and as the governor mentioned earlier if you're trying to travel in the heart of the storm, you're putting yourself, whoever is in that vehicle definitely at risk. with that i will wrap up my comments and switch it over to back to the governor. before i do, i just wanted to double down on his comment about rita. it is something that a lot of people will use that as their

baseline and i just want to kind of mention it again that there is no way to be certain that if you lived through rita, that you're hunkering down today in an area that there was an evacuation notice, that you will survive. and so piece, as the governor mentioned, the weather service recommends everybody follows all local officials when it comes to evacuation notices. thank you. >> thank you, ben. and, one of the things that we have been told to expect, we're already seeing, is the ability for this storm system to produce tornadoes and in fact that area of concern will extend through southeast louisiana. if i'm not mistaken, just before i left the over watch room a

warning was issued for capital area parishes with respect to tornadoes. that is something we have to pay close attention to today, and tomorrow as well. obviously a serious concern is people trying to drive on flooded roadways. it is normally the storm surge. it is people out on flooded roadways. that is what causes the most people to die -- neil: we are monitoring the louisiana governor outlining preparations louisiana is taking for what will be an unsurvivable storm if you don't get out of its way along the coastline with you know, flood surges in excess of 15 feet. it is estimated to bring with it, winds of 140 miles an hour and gusts up to 170 miles an

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neil: all right. we have heard from the louisiana governor on hurricane laura. we are going to be hearing from his texas counterpart, governor

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neil: all right. from the governors of louisiana and texas, the message is simple. don't say that you haven't been warned. both urging those in the hurricane's path, that is laura's path, as it stands right now, a category 3 storm, but one that could easily hit land as a category 4, to clear out of its way. hundreds of thousands have been asked to do so. why might that be, adam? reporter: hey, well, you mentioned it. it's a very strong storm and really, just knocking on the door of jumping up to that next level, a category 4 storm. you are looking at winds currently at 125 miles an hour. it only takes a wind of 130 miles an hour to suddenly classify it as a category 4 hurricane. you do see kind of just behind my head, gusting up to 155 mile an hour winds. very defined eye-wall there. this looks like a big powerful storm and that's exactly what it is.

we are going to be getting to see some of the outer bands of rain hitting the coastline right now but really expecting it to de deteriorate into the evening hours and overnight tonight. this is one of our tropical models. you do see a landfall likely 1:00, 2:00 in the morning right around the texas to louisiana coastline. that should be paid attention to but things deteriorate well before you get to that point. these are our wind gusts. you do start to see by 8:00 p.m. you are getting tropical storm force winds, likely getting hurricane force winds by midnight. just because this isn't making landfall until early thursday morning doesn't mean you are not going to start to see an impact here later on this evening. with all that wind, you get such a large storm like this, maybe the most damaging part of this system, we are expecting the storm surge of anywhere from 15 to 20 feet, getting right into the cameron area. this is widespread, stretching all the way back in towards new orleans, two to four feet. this is going to do a lot of damage and that wall of water is one of the ways you can see some

of that. neil, i do want to leave you with this. once this makes landfall, it's still going to be a big system for a lot of folks. it stays a category 1 hurricane well into thursday morning and then you are going to be tracking this as at least a tropical depression moving across the country. so we are paying attention to the next few hours but i think this is going to be a problem probably for the next couple of days. back out to you. neil: holy cow. thank you. my friend following all of that. casey steagall with what's going on in texas. the governor is speaking to the press right now and outlining emergency evacuation plans that he's called for, hundreds of thousands along the coast of both texas and louisiana have been urged to get out of town. casey is in galveston right now. hey, casey. reporter: yeah, about 420,000 texans, in fact, have been ordered to evacuate. another 200,000 or so over in neighboring louisiana. back out here, behind me, the gulf is already getting very

very active, as laura makes its way to us. a whole lot of whitecaps out there and it's really changed drastically just over the last 12 hours or so. it will continue to deteriorate as you heard adam say. off in the distance, you can also hear the sounds of power tools like saws and drills, because the plywood is going up. things are being protected as residents are making their final preparations on galveston and all across the gulf coast region as laura makes its way to us. a lot of valuables being moved to higher ground like cars and boats, for example. all nursing homes and assisted living facilities here on the island of gavelveston have been evacuated. residents and staff being taken inland to places like san antonio, austin, dallas. buses were made available to transport additional people who call the island home. the mandatory evacuation for galveston went into effect at

noon yesterday. some tell us that they thought this was headed more toward louisiana, so the evacuations here caught them off-guard. listen. >> i'm beginning to panic because i wasn't prepared at all. i have four kids and i'm raising them alone, so it was kind of like scattering everywhere. reporter: now, about 100 miles to our east, that is the beaumont port arthur area, where laura is scheduled to make landfall late tonight, early tomorrow morning. it's right at the border of texas and louisiana. it's also where the winds are forecasted to be the highest and the highest storm surge is also expected. the latest warning from the national hurricane center puts the storm surge at a potential of 20 feet in that particular spot. some communities have even implemented curfews. here in galveston it begins at 8:00 tonight.

neil? neil: all right. be careful yourself, my friend. galveston home to some of the worst hurricanes we have seen in american history. hopefully this will not join that disaster club. we are following it very very closely because that's a big oil area, as you know. a number of refineries there, some of the world's largest in and around galveston, port arthur, whathave you. oil prices, though, are not responding dramatically to all of this. we've got a lot of supply in that market and that is mitigating the blows we could get from oil production that could be shut down for maybe weeks to come. scott shellady following that angle for us. are you surprised you have not seen the traditional spike on fears you normally get with a hurricane? >> well, no, not really, because you know, oil traders, crude oil traders in particular, they've got models and stuff. they can see, they will have been tracking this for two weeks now. they will slowly but surely get

involved and that's why you have seen the price rise slowly but surely over that period of time. getting surprised by a hurricane in august is like getting surprised in chicago by very cold weather in january. it's really what happens afterwards is what we are all kind of concerned about. how much damage and as you said, how much the supply line's interrupted. that will be the real unknown. they have seen this coming, these traders will have prepared, they will put positions on and a lot of times you will see that slow rally into this event, and if nothing really dramatically happens bad, you will see the price slump off. but if we see a big disruption, it will carry on its route. neil: you know, sometimes things happen in confluence that make you scratch your head and say is there something profound going on here. this is the same week we are learning that exxon is getting kicked out of the dow. it's been there since 1928. it's no longer considered cool. usually you put cool high tech companies in there, those you know, social media angle or salesforce.com, whathave you.

but it will be leaving. i'm wondering whether that is kind of like a metaphor of our times here. >> well, it's kind of a metaphor for 2020, isn't it? it's really what it feels like. the whole year has been that way. you have seen that happen in a number of things. look, we have got restaurants that can't open up to at least only 25% to 50% of their revenues. they can serve people outside but we've got winter coming, what are they going to do. there's so many things out there that are contradictory and almost the height of lunacy with exxon coming out of the dow. it's not your daddy's dow anymore, is it. those type of things seem to be happening every single day. it's almost sad but i'm not surprised by it anymore. neil: yeah. you are probably right. i'm waxing way too poetic here. scott, always good. stay well, stay healthy. joe bastardi, chief meteorologist, on what we are looking at here and what it says about the season. a busy season, joseph.

what do you think? >> yeah, it is. you know, we were talking about the traders knowing this was coming. we had this storm based on what's been going on from 10 to 15 days ago, alerting people. as a matter of fact, our april forecast, we don't monkey around with the numbers. we show people where they are going to go and this is a hyper-season we had. these storms have gone right where our forecasts tagged so if you were our client, you were ready for this big season just like 2017. we were already warning people about another east coast threat for the labor day weekend because you could see this pattern, we have seen it before, so we forecast it. i will add something also. i want to add something also about the other aspect of this. when this goes inland, there's going to be power outages all the way to tennessee. shreveport, little rock,

memphis, nashville are all liable to break their records for highest non-thunderstorm wind gusts. that has another effect. you saw what happened. people were without power three, four days and when that happens, there's an opposite drain on energy. so that's another thing people have to consider. this storm is just, it's going ashore as the strongest storm in that area, i think it's going to beat rita, beat audrey from 1957. those two refineries, beaumont and port arthur, especially lake charles is likely to get really slammed because they are on the eastern side of the storm. but the other consideration is this will continue to knock out power all the way up into tennessee. so you have to understand that there's going to be millions that are going to be affected with this, even though this is not hitting the dreaded houston/galveston area which we are always worried about because a storm moving north-northwest

hitting over there would shove all that water up galveston bay and then you really have huge problems. there's no question about the impact of this storm. it's an historic storm. it's in line with what we were forecasting and what we were warning people from back in april was in close development, approaching the coast is when they are going to intensify, and that is a nightmare for meteorologists because you have to figure out the track and the intensity, in this case i believe it's going to be a category 4 at landfall between midnight and 3:00 a.m. central daylight time between the mouth of sabine and lake charles, louisiana. neil: thank you very much, my friend. as joe was speaking, we are getting more details out of that presser the texas governor is having right now. winds, to joe's point, are the biggest threat of the storm, 10 to 15 foot storm surges are expected, could go higher, particularly in the galveston area where you heard they could get up to 20 feet. and the storm would likely exit

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-- today we are all one community comprised of many races, religions and ethnicities. our diverse and storied history is what makes our country strong and yet we still have so much to learn from one another. i urge people to come together in a civil manner so we can work and live up to our standard american ideals. neil: you know, in an age of red meat and i guess blue meat with the democrats just in your face, along comes melania trump to change the tone and tenor to talk about her concern, the administration's concern presumably for those dealing with covid-19 and the increasing violence in american cities. it was the kind of approach a lot of people were saying where has this woman been throughout the campaign. they could utilize her more. after last night, regardless of

what you think politically of her or her husband, you could count on that likely being the case. anita mcbride is the former assistant to george w. bush, former chief of staff for first lady laura bush. she knows quite well the power of a first lady at the right moment at the right time. it's very good to have you back with us. i thought in this hyp hyperventilating world of in your face and the other guys are bums and our guys are saints and what they're doing will lead to the end of the world and what we're doing -- she was a calm in the storm. there's a good way to utilize that beyond just last night. what do you think? >> yes. definitely. i mean, it was nearly 30 minutes of turning down the heat, turning down the rhetoric, applying a bit of a balm to our country, although she enumerated all of the crises that we're facing at the same time. a pandemic, a raging debate on

race, childhood abuse and neglect, you know, opioid addiction. she didn't shy away from what the challenges are in the country but she said what she's seeing in three and a half years is just this resilience of the american people, that they can tackle this, we can tackle this. i think that was really, it was important. it just came at the right time. neil: i agree with you there. you know, we have a long history in this country of no matter what we think of the president at hand, when it comes to the spouse, we generally like the spouse better because they sort of, you know, punch through the politics of the moment. george bush, your old boss, experienced that with his wife laura, who was generally more popular than he was. barbara bush was generally more loved than her husband. her husband would joke about it and note it. so did barack obama with michelle obama.

they are powerful forces in and of themselves. i guess you don't want to necessarily overplay that, but if you were recommending how the trump campaign use melania, that's a strong word, a positively jiapologize for that, but take advantage of melania, how would you do it? >> everyone walked away from that last night, certainly the campaign and convention operatives and the american people, too, saying i need to hear that more. i need to hear that voice. need to hear that soothing calming sort of we can get through this message. also, you know, that character witness that she is for her husband, no one can quite do it like that, like a president's spouse can do. but i think i would say she should be herself. she has shown that she will speak when it is the most authentic time for her, when she feels she can make the most contribution. she's not a person that needs to

be the loudest voice in the room, and the one that's always out there. because i think when she speaks people stop and listen. between now and the election, it will be great to see her out there in a more regular basis but again, she strategically places her voice and her influence in a way that suits her best and ultimately hopefully helps her husband. neil: we shall see. thank you very very much. anita mcbride. she doesn't have to be the loudest voice in the room. she will never be a tv anchor. so i don't know if that's going to hurt her feelings. it is what it is. thank you so, so much. i've got my panel weighing in on this, how the convention is going so far. we are halfway through it. tonight is the third night, the final night tomorrow night with the president's remarks. tonight of course we hear from the vice president, his wife, a host of others. tom bevin joins us, real clear

politics cofounder, deborah mcloughlin, attorney and democratic strategist extraordinaire, and republican strategist, joseph pinion. the importance of balancing it out, between those who will be rabidly giving you the red meat whether the republican party or the democratic party, and those who try to step back, maybe as melania trump was trying to do last night. your thoughts thus far? >> look, i think there's been a very good balance. it's been struck by the rnc. i have been quite impressed. i think if last week the hallmark was democrats trotting out never-trump republicans, this week the republicans have spent the first 48 hours in hot pursuit of the maybe trump independents. those individuals who felt disaffected, who didn't come out in 2018, who democrats thought have fallen off the trump train forever, yet i think again, with everyone from daniel cameron to senator tim scott, one by one have been saying like that old

spiritual children, children, get on board, because i think the trump train is starting to leave the station and i think everyone in between that wrote trump off are really going to have something else coming. neil: you know, when we talk about the issues, danielle, this idea of law and order, timed with a third night of violence in kenosha, wisconsin following the shooting of jacob blake, but the fact that democrats have not spoken out more on that violence is seen as the giant wedge through which republicans are driving a mack truck through. even john kasich, who supports joe biden in this presidential run, is saying democrats have to be screaming loud and clear for public safety and they're not. what do you make of that? >> you know, i don't disagree with you. i think it's very clear and it's not only in washington but we have had numerous -- oregon is another example. i agree that democrats need

[ inaudible ] against violence that we are seeing in the streets. so certainly this is an issue, law and order. one thing i think is a little bit [ inaudible ] is disconnected is the thread republicans are making that the scenes of violence we are seeing now are going to be the scenes of violence you see under a biden administration. i don't think republicans have made the case because you can't point to pictures from washington today and say that joe biden issue. president trump is the president right now. we need to see this administration in addition to obviously local authorities make sure we are not seeing this kind of civil unrest. people are afraid and fairly so. neil: that's a good point. tom, normally when people see violence occurring in american cities, they generally take it out on the party in the white house. that hurt democrats in 1968. i know lbj wasn't running but

his vice president was. it just didn't help. still, it was a close election in the end. i'm wondering by taking the law and order issue, blaming it on democrats, is there a risk of that, that a lot of people at home will say you're the guy who's running the country, fix it. >> well, i guess it's possible. but look, you know, there is i think the democrats' unwillingness, joe biden's unwillingness thus far to come out against the looting and the violence, destruction we are seeing around the country and most recently in kenosha allows trump to make this an issue that can play to his favor, because i think, you know, look, because he's constantly tweeting about it and talking about these g governors should accept the national guard, all those things. i think trump is positioning himself so that it doesn't really, you know, boomerang back on him.

but again, you know, if joe biden comes out at some point and says look, we got to stop this, i'm against this, and he doesn't even have to go sort of full sister souljia like bill clinton did. he just has to condemn it and i think that would go a long way toward -- that's an actually truly moderate position. the fact he hasn't taken that moderate position thus far is raising some real questions and eyebrows. neil: that's an interesting analogy. i remember that, sister soulja, very violent lyrics, bill clinton at the time at the risk of losing an important base condemned those remarks and those lyrics. that was then. it's a very different world now. joseph, given the narrowing we have seen, it's more anecdotal at this point in polls, as you all remind me, are fleeting. but the president seems to be tightening in some of these battleground states. i don't know how things will be after the dust has settled from both conventions but where do

you see things going? >> look, i think the reality is that when you look at the polling, i think it's a result of the fact of something that's been building for a long time. you look in places like florida, where covid rates are starting to trend down and president trump is starting to trend up. i think the reality is that a lot of anecdotal evidence that we saw earlier is starting to look like data-driven trends. so when you have, you know, things like these vote parades people thought were a joke, it's not looking very funny anymore because when you've got buildings burning anywhere from kenosha to minnesota, any time a building burns, probably a disaffected trump voter starts thinking that perhaps they need to go back into the warm embrace of president trump because if democrats are unwilling to take a stand, if fact checkers and the liberal left are going to insist on the fact the ambitions of the left are somehow devoid from the responsibility of the democratic party, then i think it's very easy for president trump to stand there and say

with actual authority that if democrats were in power, it would actually be worse. similar to how michelle obama tried to implore the american people that the worst has yet to come. neil: you know, danielle, real quickly, the vice president, former vice president, generally keeps this rope-a-dope strategy or hiding in his home because it's worked for him, sending out virtual comments or now and then an interview but very rare. is that looking risky now? the more you see what's going on, that he's almost playing it too safe? >> look, we have 74 days before the election and as we all know, it's really off to the races after the last convention. normally these are in july but they have been pushed because of covid. i don't think it's fair to say that biden has been hiding anywhere. he doesn't have the stage that the president of the united states has, which, by the way, was sorely misused this week. the notion that we would have a president using the white house, using the rose garden, having a

diplomat, our senior diplomat, making a speech -- neil: he does hide. you know, he goes out less to talk to the press or anyone else, less than i would even pass a produce section in the grocery store. it's very noticeable. i'm just saying that maybe the strategy's working because he's maintaining a lead in the polls but it's not as big as it was and -- >> no, it's not. neil: he kind of has this thomas dewey feel to him where he's taking advantage of something that might be very short-lived. >> i think there's a calculus that the more the president is out there, the more he can damage himself. i think that's part of the calculus. i go back to the fact we still have a long time and as we all know, look at 2016 as a great example, anything can happen. so the polls, yes, he's softening in three of the swing states, florida, pennsylvania and wisconsin but the fact we are even talking about texas or georgia or arizona as potential swing states, i still think says a lot about what's happening in

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fight endless wars. joe biden will continue to spill our blood and treasure. president trump will bring our heroes home. neil: senator rand paul with us now. you know, senator, how do you know joe biden would spill our blood and make for more wars? >> i think joe biden's history in the senate is long, many decades long, and i don't recall him opposing any war while he was here in the senate. when he was vice president, he was president obama's right hand man during the libyan war which was a disaster. i think both in our history, in our recent history of the last generation, the iraq war and the libyan war, show that regime change in the middle east actually lead to more chaos, power vacuum and more terrorism. i think president trump has often voiced that. i've heard him say it dozens of times that it was a mistake to get rid of saddam hussein because it tipped the balance of power towards iran. i have never heard joe biden say

that he's learned from his mistakes. he voted for the iraq war and he enthusiastically support ed president obama through the libyan war, both of which were a disaster and i see no evidence he's changed his ways. neil: he was among 77 republicans and democrats that voted to go to war with iraq back in 2003, to be fair, and ultimately regretted that, have said so many times. nothing brave there since the overwhelming tide has turned and people felt otherwise. having said that, though, i was looking back on remarks that president trump has made and he has long stated that he was against the iraq war from the start. now, back in those days when i talked to him, back then, he was more impressed with the way the war started and gave kudos to president bush about that start. he did claim that george bush senior should have finished the job some years earlier, but he was not against it from the get-go.

so you never know, right? you never know. depending on the circumstances. >> you kind of do know that joe biden didn't learn the lesson. the lesson of the iraq war was that toppling a dictator, leaving a power vacuum, changes the balance of power and wasn't good for us and we lost a lot of lives but the middle east is not a better place. the reason we know joe biden didn't learn that lesson and that his contrition is false is that he went on to support the war in libya and did exactly what the war in iraq did. so the idea of regime change leading to better things, you know, i think this is something joe biden has never learned but president trump, people want to dispute when or where he became an opponent of the iraq war. all i can say is that for the last couple of decades, all i have heard from president trump is what a mistake it was to remove saddam hussein and what a mistake the iraq war was. i haven't heard joe biden out there saying that. what i hear from joe biden is oh, yeah, i got caught up and now the progressives don't like my vote so i've got to change my

position but then when war came about in libya, both he and president obama decided to bomb that country to smitherenes and what do we have now? disaster, a civil war, a chaotic place where terrorists thrive. there is an important lesson to learn from the iraq war and i don't think joe biden ever learned it. neil: but you know, republicans don't point out another lesson potentially from that same obama/biden administration when it came to syria and punishing assad for gassing his own people. ultimately, they said they were going to leave it up to congress to validate whether they should respond. congress never did. so isn't it more fair, senator, to say that both sides sort of talk out of both ends of their mouth on this issue and you really can't telegraph what they are going to do because the situations change? >> it's almost always safe to say both parties speak out both sides of their mouth. that would be safe to say. but in the instance of syria, i

think you can see that president trump has been reticent to get more involved and when threatened with a border skirmish, elevating between the syrian kurds and the turks, president trump decided it wasn't worth leaving 200 troops in the middle of a situation where 100,000 turks were amassing at the border. i think president trump has shown restraint. when iran was bellicose and brought down one of our drones, he contemplated an attack on mainland iran but didn't carry it forward. i think president trump has shown restraint and i think in the past, the hillary clinton wing of the party, which is also the joe biden wing of the party, were very supportive of getting involved in the syrian civil war and i think that was also a mistake. i think part of the reason isis arose was they once again had a vacuum in syria and isis arose out of that vacuum of weak government and chaos. but this was all sort of people in both parties, the lindsey graham wing of the republican

party loves the wars over there, too. but also joe biden is part of that and i think he's an unreformed part of the war caucus of the democrat party. neil: finally, this president also is the first to say i'm going to pull more troops out of germany, i believe 10,000 to 15,000, still leaving a contingent of i think more than 30,000. you probably know these figures better than i. bothers in your party and the democratic party saying that will risk problems going forward. you say what? >> i think you have neo-conservatives if both parties, biden would be one, hillary clinton would be one, bill kristol who is also supporting the bidens, would be one. they are sort of this world war ii mentality that you have to own acreage and we have to have millions of troops in europe in case the russians march in. times have changed. i thought pompeo did a good job describing this when he came to our committee recently and said he was there when we had over 100,000 troops but times have

changed. we had over a million troops in germany one time. so times have changed. they do change. i think the idea of where we are now technologically is that owning acreage, having acreage in afghanistan is necessary and probably counterproductive to be in the middle of all these villages. but we have the technology to stop people and thwart people from attacking us. that can be done often from more remote sites and i think it's less invasive when we get less involved in these chronic civil wars and a much better way to treat this. president trump believes that but i think joe biden is still old school. he supported every war that ever came down the pike when he was here in the senate. never voted against a war. so i think joe biden is a much greater risk for war than president trump. look, i'm as anti-war as they come. i support president trump because i truly believe he wants to end the afghan war. neil: finally, the much ado about the president making his speech to the nation tomorrow from the white house.

some of your colleagues, those on the opposite side of the ledger as well, think he shouldn't be doing that. i'm just curious to go beyond this. if you were to become president some day, and many say you harbor those ambitions or that you should, where would you accept your party's nomination if the venue were down from the white house? >> i would say there are better places, frankly. i have said before in the last week or two that i probably would have chosen another venue. but i don't think it's an en end-all. at the same time we are in the midst of this sort of viral pandemic that a lot of things are different than they have ever been. most of this is virtual. having some people on the lawn to watch fireworks, you know, i don't think it's the worst possible thing. but i probably would have chosen a different venue but that doesn't mean that it's so horrendous that it's something that oh, my goodness, this should never happen. i think that we have to be careful about crossing the line between official government and

unofficial government. but every day we have these things. i'm standing in the rotunda of the russell building and we are not supposed to do strictly political things here. i'm allowed to answer political questions but it's not supposed to be predominantly political but my office is political so it's often difficult to, you know, what is the line between my official duty talking about legislation and then handling a political question in the same interview. so it is tricky. but they are so intertwined i think it's often hard to separate politics from office as well. neil: i got you. i will just pretend i never asked you a political question. senator, thank you very much. very good seeing you. senator rand paul on all of that. a lot more coming up, including news that just had restaurant owners in manhattan screaming. the mayor talking about the possibility of keeping them closed for the rest of the year. food for thought that has enough of them saying it's making us

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neil: all right. they're worried about another night of violent riots in kenosha wisconsin right now. grady trimble with the very latest from there. hey, grady. reporter: neil, a lot developing right now. we know three people were shot last night. two of them killed. we have just learned that a 17-year-old has been charged with first degree murder in at least one of those killings last night. again, he is being charged with first degree murder. we believe as an adult. he was arrested in antioch, illinois, about 20 miles from where we are. this is an auto sales lot where you can see rioters smashed in car windows, even burned one car. it's also where the shootings happened last night. it was a very violent scene as men with long guns were in the area and that is who at this point we believe among them was this 17-year-old who has been arrested. that's some graphic video shot

by our overnight crew last night. we want to go to a full screen now from the kenosha county board which sent a letter to governor tony evers just this morning saying our county is under attack, our businesses are under attack, our local law enforcement agencies need additional support to help bring stability back to our communities. the county board there asking for an additional 1500 national guardsmen. they are getting 500. we just learned in the last few minutes as well that governor tony evers has authorized 500 guardsmen to come to this area to assist the local and state law enforcement after another night of unrest that led to death here. we have been talking to local businesses. they say the same thing. they want more law enforcement on the streets to make sure this doesn't happen. listen. neil: i guess we don't have that. i apologize for that. thank you very very much for

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hurricane. just got that distinction with winds topping 130 miles an hour, may go to 156. once you get over that, you are in rarefied territory, category 5. but this is all happening a little bit earlier than a lot of forecasters had predicted. again, this storm, tropical storm quickly turned into a hurricane, then a severe hurricane, then a category 4 hurricane, endangering the coastline of texas and louisiana, much of the gulf. already 500,000 residents in those areas have been urged to evacuate. we will keep you posted. in the meantime, we are looking at the ongoing impact of the coronavirus. keep in mind a lot of these people are trying to escape the storm, they don't want to go into shelters because of the virus and the fears about the social proximity distancing and all of that. but in new york, it's taken on a whole new tone that they are putting things off and hurting the economy. the new york city mayor hinting that the ban on indoor dining could continue through the rest of this year.

restaurants heard that and oh, boy. kristina partsinevelos with more. reporter: neil, you've got six long months later and the pandemic continues to get the best of the restaurant industry. restaurants like max's where i am right now on staten island have no idea when they are allowed to reopen and serve customers indoors. this restaurant is one out of at least 100 that plan to file a class action lawsuit against the city so that they can be allowed to serve customers indoors. already in survival mode, the owner, max himself, is at a crossroads. does he either close his doors for good or does he break the mandated rules and serve customers indoors. >> it's not viable for us to be around if we have to wait for a vaccine. we can't make our bills and pay staff. we are going to be closed. it's very scary. there's 25,000 restaurants in new york city who will most likely face the same fate together.

reporter: both of those restaurant owners say they don't want handouts, they just want to be able to work. they are also questioning the consistency of the rules. you have retail shops, gyms, even the bowling alley down the road is allowed to reopen. but yet restaurants can't. this comes as new york's positive coronavirus rate right now for the positive test is just at 1%. like you mentioned, you had yesterday in a press conference, the new york mayor saying or alluding to a possible prediction of 2021 or even worse, when a vaccine comes around. that's going the leave so many people out of work. at least 160,000 in the new york region, at bars and restaurants that do not have jobs, and over 1300 restaurants that have already closed their doors for good. so you have warm weather and many of these restaurants, 10,000, to be exact, are using their outdoor dining to help them survive. but with no plan in place for

indoor dining, many are left in the dark as to how they approach the colder months ahead. back to you. neil: what's weird, we have not heard from governor cuomo on this. i don't know if he can overrule the new york city mayor, but he has not been keen on keeping things in suspended animation indefinitely. i assume that would include restaurants and i would assume this might lead to a tussle between the two. reporter: exactly. they have a website and have received a lot of action already from a lot of restaurants in various boroughs that really want to get involved with this class action lawsuit because they just feel it's unfair and they need to survive as well. neil: absolutely. great report. thank you very very much. these poor guys. now you know, when they have these statistics, one in four could go out of business and stay out of business. someone's got to hear them. someone's got to respond to what they are dealing with. stay with us.

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hey, bud. charles: a great honor doing this with you tonight, neil, thank you very much. good afternoon, folks. this is charles payne and this is indeed "making money." another monster day for the nasdaq composite including grand slam that you never heard of but you will today. they continue to play taps for the dow jones industrial average, looks like it is losing even with the changes that very been made. maybe you should buy stocks they're kicking out of the dow? we're explaining that. dick's sporting goods is my stock of the day. another example why you can't let your politics inform your portfolio. the trump family taking the center stage at the rnc its with