the world i believe at this point. it is certainly the world's most important technology company. and it is up. apple is leading this market higher. you're up close to 2%. up two bucks on apple. 15 is your price and the dow is up 370. time is up for me. neil, it's yours. neil: we're following growing list of those ho tested positive from the coronavirus. you heard from stu a little while ago, kayleigh mcenany has tested positive. she joins a growing group, ben sepien, hope hicks. and amazing those in attendance at the judge barrett event, saturday the 26th, pretty much, that is where the sort of epicenter started here. not exclusively here but if you think about the people who were

there, senator mike lee, senator ron johnson, thom tillis, i believe chris christie was at this event. reverend john jenkins, notre dame president, have tested positive for the virus here. this has gotten to be the source of confusion here. if so many have tested positive there, who is running things in the white house? now all of this, of course occurs as people are waiting with bated breath to see if the president will indeed make it back to the white house today. there is growing hope from some of his doctors at least that is a distinct possibility. you have to remember with the ongoing concern how far this virus has spread, whether it would be a good idea for the vice president himself, who was by the way at that event and with others kayleigh mcenany, hope hicks since, whether it would be a good idea for the vice-presidential debate to happen? no one posited that that would

be called to question, cancel that, outside of your screen in walter reed hospital. we're expecting a announcement from the president's doctors fairly soon. they might detail exactly what the president plans were, back at white house there is growing concern for people that worked there, many have, under multiple presidents whether they are covid safe. joe biden is willing to debate donald trump if experts say it is safe. the first caveat i heard from the former vice president as to the october 15th debate. more immediate one is wednesday's debate, vice-presidential debate between vice president pence and kamala harris. nothing has been called into question with that. but again, given the former vice president's proximity to all the individuals who since tested positive. he has been tested a number of times himself, they might be looking at that. we're not saying anything but if you look at that picture, those people, who weren't in

attendance at the rose garden event, it is amazing how many come down with a positive you know, diagnosis here on this virus. we'll explore that with a number of top doctors who could be in peril, how bad this gets, what it could mean. it has not added to wall street. the president appears to be fine and indications from the first lady, emailing from the white house or tweeting i should say more appropriately, she is okay too. the worry because you test positive with this, it does not mean it is going to flatten you or leave the white house rudderless and all of that. but it is something that is a gnawing drag on a lot of folks who think it freezes the campaign year or pushes things back. blake burman is following all fast moving developments. blake, how close are we whether knowing the president can even

go home today, sort of bandied about there? have you heard anything on that front? reporter: we don't have an official time when we might get a potential medical update from the president's doctors. no official medical up date today, neil, so far from either the white house or the physician that looks after president trump. as you know over the weekend there was all sorts of confusion as to what exactly is the health status of the president of the united states of america. we sort of have a better picture of it over the last few days, how all of this unfolded as we know on friday, neil, the president did indeed take supplemental oxygen. after that as well he took a antibody cocktail from regeneron. since then he has been on a five-day remdesivir treatment and on the steroid dexamethasone. how he is doing today though, no official word from the white house. though white house chief of staff mark meadows in his interview with "fox & friends" earlier this morning said the

president improved in his words overnight. listen. >> his health continues to improve. the doctors will actually have an evaluation sometime late morning and then the president in consultation with the doctors will make a decision on whether to discharge him later today. we're still optimistic. reporter: that covid outbreak at the white house neil growing even wider. we learned that press secretary kayleigh mcenany just revealed she too tested positive for covid-19. when you look at the list of those who either live in or work at the white house on a daily basis it is growing. we know right now who has tested positive. the president of the united states, his wife, the first lady of the united states, one of the president's senior most advisors hope hicks, the aforementioned press secretary kayleigh mcenany, the body man for the president, someone who is around him all the time throughout the day, nick luna positive as well.

not just at the white house t stretches over to the campaign true as president's senior most official at the campaign, bill stepien tested positive for covid-19. neil, keep in mind, when we look at that event on saturday, we report who we know tested positive at the white house or who has been very close to the president and has tested positive the white house to date is still refusing to put forward a list or at least a general number of exactly how many people have tested positive who work within that building. you see the faces and names of these senior officials but there are dozens and hundreds of staff members who all work together in a very close and confined building, neil. you just have to wonder if the white house is at the beginning, the middle or the end of this thing. neil? neil: you know, blake the vice president was at that judge garrett event. he has tested negative multiple times. this is more than 48 hours, or

more from the vice-presidential debate. do you know whether anyone there has said maybe for the better part of copings, put it off, cancel, i'm taking that leap here. no one else, something being done. only reason i mentioned joe biden he is willing to debate the president. experts say it is safe. that is the first time at least he added that caveat. what are you hearing? >> yeah. well, at the vice-presidential debate too, if it goes forward they are taking extra measures. instead of being six feet apart, cdc recommendations will be double that, 12 feet apart. i can tell you in, making a, calls this morning, i haven't really been given any indication neil from the white house side of things this might be put off but as we have seen, this story just continues to move and continues to change and it's a long ways between now and wednesday evening, that is for

sure. neil: thank you my friend, blake burman. where are we here medically? a lot of relief that the president is doing okay. could be released today. we don't know. dr. craig spencer, global health emergency medical director. doctor, you're not obviously the doctor for the president of the united states right now. you're hearing about how things are growing and aggressive treatment he is getting. would it be wise to release him today? are some things he is getting at walter reed things he could be getting at the white house? >> it is really hard to speculate on the president's condition and the discharge plan i assume. i assume his excellent team of medical doctors will make that decision for him. this is not just a gnawing drag on the white house. this is a public health disaster. this is emergency. the white house needs to shut down and people need to quarantine. we wouldn't do this anywhere else in the country.

woe need to do contact tracing as recommended by the cdc that is not being done here. we have to seriously wonder if the white house can't take care of the white house safe can't keep the u.s. safe from the coronavirus. unless they take the right health precautions we'll need to wonder for that. i hope the best for the press secretary, i hope the best for donald trump. there are 30,000 people in hospitals. 40,000 more infections every day we haven't taken it seriously by day one. now we have to take it seriously. by pretending it doesn't exist in the white house, is not sending the right message. neil: to your point, we had more than 50,000 additional cases on saturday. that represented a multimonth high. i'm wondering, what you do when you talk about contact tracing, you talk about what should be normal protocol, and it just seems to me with all of this fixation on the debates that anyone in that area at the time when they had this judge barrett

event, out of abundance of caution should be quarantined, right? >> absolutely. 100%. unequivocally yes. we are seeing that this was clearly a super spreader event, right? how many more cases do we need to see come out of this? there will be more later today. probably more in the next few days. everyone at the event needs to quarantine 14 days, hands down, done, unarguable. neil: when they're talking about the vice-presidential debate, believe me sir i'm not trying to corner but you seem it doesn't seem like a good idea. you're the medical expert. with new cases pop up regularly, not a good idea. >> i completely agree quite honestly. look, you're not cornering me. i am hear to tell the truth. that is what america needs especially after months and months of misinformation. yes, anyone exposed should quarantine for 14 days. that is not me making this up.

that is not you suggesting this. this is the guidance from the cdc, trusted health institution from the country that makes the recommendations. we know even if you're standing 12 feet from someone else infected that doesn't mean you can't be infected. being indoors with poor ventilation is a risk factor for the virus to hang around to potentially infect. the last thing we need right now more people in this administration or potential next administration sick in the hospital or potentially worse. neil: you know, doctor, my son started college this fall and already he's in quarantine simply because he was on a floor with people who did contract the virus. they have taken abundance of caution i get that, but it does seem to me, again i will defer to you, you're the expert, we are seeing a serious spike in cases across the country right now. i'm wondering what the heck is

going on? whether this persistence, i believe for the last five days, doctor, 40,000 more new cases in the united states. is this the feared fall surge or is this a second wave? is this a rougher part of the first wave, how would you characterize it? >> i would characterize it as an ongoing public health crisis. you know we never really dipped between 20,000 cases on daily basis. we had more cases than any other country on the face of this earth. not just because of our population. because we have not taken it seriously from day one. me or any other person in public health is not at all surprised the number of cases has been increasing recently. it is what we all expected. kids back in school. kids back in college like your son. others going indoors. less likely to be in well-ventilated places. all of this is completely expected. why we've all of been screaming and yelling, trying to share these truths for really many months now. i'm glad that hopefully people

are waking up to this. i hope it is not too late. we're going into the fall and winter with 40,000 cases and increasing on a daily basis. hundreds of people are dying every single day from coronavirus while other countries around the world are getting their case numbers down to zero. this is not a third wave or fourth wave. this is one unending public health crisis caused by mismanagement from the start. and that's a fact. neil: doctor, thank you very, very much. dr. craig spencer, columbia global health emergency medicine, director of much, much more. a read on this all of this occurs as the doctor was saying on news that kayleigh mcenany, the white house spokesman has been tested positive for the coronavirus. a growing list at that. it is called into question a lot of things here, not only remaining presidential debates, but maybe the vice-presidential one just a couple days away since the vice president was around the very people who are now testing positive. leaving out the president and

first lady. talking about kayleigh mcenany herself and that crowded group at the judge barrett event on saturday the 26th. what is the fall out from this? again the caveat we heard from joe biden who is open to another debate with the president. for one, wants to make sure doctors are okay with that. it is the first time he has attached that sort of but to that debate. chris wilson joining us, gop pollster, laura fink, democratic strategist. laura, i end with you, forget about you, forget about whether the next presidential debate can happen, the president is still in the hospital, whatever semi quarantine would continue, white house would put it close to the october 15 debate, but now given the spreading we've seen from the event at the white house, should the vice-presidential debate go on? >> that is a question that will be up to the doctors but i do think out of an abundance of caution it should be looked at, it should be considered.

i think the failure to do so is sort of what got us here. the health and safety of our american president is incredibly critical for our national security. so that obviously has to be looked at. the health and safety of those around him. we see staff members, career public servants, we see military, high-ranking military officials all potentially exposed. we don't know the degree. that needs to be taken care of first before we get to the consideration of debates but also calls into question will there be a strategy change with respect to how the president conducts his campaign? it would seem sending mike pence on the road there will not be. so that, again, national security concerns and that lack of change of any sort of behavior that is against a lot of the medical and scientific professional guidelines is signaling to the american people, he doesn't really think, he hasn't changed course. that calls into question if he cannot protect his own health and safety. if those closest to him, how can protect the health and safety of

the american public? neil: chris, what do you think of this? not so much, whether the debates are still doable do you think right now the white house is handling this properly or still being a little cavalier? we're relieved we hear things look better than we thought, certainly 48 hours ago from the president but some of the things we're getting engaged on right now don't look like they have got this thing under control, certainly within the white house? >> you know, neil, it would be irresponsible for me to pretend i know what is going on inside of the white house. we have got to trust they have interests internally giving the best advice possible and making recommendations that are in the best interest of both their patients and the american people. to assume otherwise or some higher authority, whether the president or vice president, everybody else is ordering them not to do that is just wrong. you know that the people around president like i do. they don't want to get covid. they don't want to take risks with their lives. yet they are in a situation right now that is, i think all

of us can do nothing more than offer up prayers and hope they're all better. from overall standpoint, interesting editorial i was reading on another network by an emergency room doctor james phillips. i expect to get covid. his point is, look, many of us are exposed to it long term it is going to happen. we should be spending time what are long-term effects. how long do we need to isolate with it. how long until we're free where you cannot contract it or give it to other people? i think that is one of hopefully something that can come out of this, we spend a little bit more time looking at a post-covid world in which someone contracts it, when can they get back to normal, be around other people? that seems to be a real gap in our learning at this point. neil: guys, thank you very much. we have a lot of breaking news here. again in this situation with kayleigh mcenany and the spreading appears to still be going on as we get more cases of this certainly from the west wing of the white house growingg

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♪. neil: talk about less spikes in this country but really pronounced in the new york city metropolitan area. there are nine zip codes in and around queens, new york, by the way where the president himself was born and in brooklyn, new york, but it expanded to at least 10 or 11 other sip codes in that area. might seem odd, there are a lot

of people there, they are scrunched together. you could have as many as 20 zip codes, regions, blocks, neighborhoods, largely in the brooklyn, new york, and queens area that have seen a notable spikes in cases and hot spots. so far new york's mayor bill de blasio has advocated unless this cools down, a lot of those so-called hot spots, those nine sip codes would be among those that would have to dial things back once again, look at revisiting some measures that have a whole new lockdown feel to them. restaurateurs in the area are dreading that, fearing that is what is coming. they're not getting any hopeful news out of new york governor ayatollah khomeni who has be new york governor and drew cuomo. what is in these areas is worrisome enough he is keeping an eye on it. whether he will go along with bill de blasio's plan to

restrict dining in this sort of tough, i don't know, we're monitoring that, very nicely. why the heck is the diasorbing, because of all of this crisis atmosphere. what happened to the others and improved the chances for getting stimulus done, a coronavirus relief package that could easily eclipse 1 1/2 trillion dollars, no way of knowing, that but the dynamic, nancy pelosi said changed last week with the news on the president, and that it continues to foster possible talks continue today between she and treasury secretary steve mnuchin. let's get the latest from edward lawrence in washington. edward? reporter: neil, the rhetoric has also turned positive related to this. chief of staff of the white house mark meadows says there was progress over the weekend. house speaker nancy pelosi echoed those remarks. meadows says members of the public should start now,

pressure their congressman, pressure their senators to get something done. listen. >> i do think there is potential of a deal as long as politics do not get in the way again. i can tell you that secretary mnuchin and speaker pelosi have been talking. the secretary and i have been in constant contact. reporter: i learned through sources they will talk again today. the chief of staff speaking by phone to "fox & friends" says at least pass a bill on stuff you can agree on. one area both agree on extended unemployment insurance there own your screen. white house economic advisor larry kudlow says the administration is offering $300 a week extra. the house speaker is still pushing for $600 a week for benefits paid and some worry that pays more people to stay home rather than go to work. both side agree that the airlines need extra help, by extending the payroll support program which pays worker salaries and benefits.

both democrats and the president agree, another round of direct checks should go out into the economy. plus the importance, the important one. the small businesses. the left over honey in the paycheck protection program both sides agree it should be used to help businesses really struggling through this still the big sticking point, money for state and local governments. republicans want it targeted for losses from the coronavirus. democrats are saying states should be able to use it to plug holes where they want. back to you. neil: edward, thank you very, very much the market read on all of this with rebecca walser. what do you think what is going on, how the market is digesting all of this, crazy crosscurrents? good news on the president. we hope that continues. good news on the first lady, we hope that continues. bad news, worrisome news on the ongoing spreading going on in and around the white house that has taken half a dozen people who since tested positive, prominent people, many, many more could be affected, your thoughts? >> you know, neil it is sort of

crazy. this year can't get any crazier. i don't know what to say this year is bananas. neil: i hear you. >> why didn't we see the white house, the staff, the super spreader event happen earlier? it is amissing it happened close to the election. all i think it will be a learning lesson for america, right? i am not one. i was all on board. everybody was onboard for the initial shut down, two weeks to flatten the curve. that turned into six months after hodgepodge of different reopenings scheduled across the country. we need to act differently this time. all of your former guests, previous guests talking about hey, this is, let's quarantine, let's self contain. all we're doing is delaying the inevitable. until there is vaccine if you live every kind of life you are subjecting self to risks. with social distancing, with masks, we don't know the efficacy of masks.

let's see how we do with all the people so close to the white house that have been affected. i think markets are happen right now, neil, because the president is tolerating it. like you said we do have a little better chance of getting some stimulus. we need it. airlines carved out have to be done. that entire industry we talked about many times is a huge, huge cash burn that they can't wait indefinitely for additional stimulus without collapsing. so we've got to get airlines taken care of. we need more stimulus. whether or not it gets done before election day it is so political right now. i don't know if it will happen before november 3rd. neil: more news they get like this the more it could happen. we'll watch it very closely, rebecca, thank you very, very much. rebecca walser here is enjoying the ride on the prospect whatever is going on good news the president himself appears to be doing just fine, even of the spread in cases we're hearing it is under control. the protocals getting under creel are not being necessarily

applied here. almost every business or school system a spike in cases leads to quarantines and the rest that go beyond just individuals to setting down ironclad policy that makes everyone feel safe. think as well about people that worked in the white house have more decades, many, many decades. talking cooks house cleaners, the rest that support the president of the united states, executive staff. they're in harm's way as well. don't get me started on secret service. is the protocol trying to keep everyone safe by trying to look at those who could be in harm's way, to quarantine themselves and those at best who would be exposed to them if they didn't. that's what is at issue here. the white house's handling of this, more importantly, whether it is learned anything from this? we shall see. so you're a small business,

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neil: a lot of folks in the new york metropolitan area feared, the governor is now saying schools in the cluster of hot spots encompassing eight zip codes around the queens and brooklyn area, but it spreads beyond that will not be open on wednesday. i won't open a school that i wouldn't send my own kid to. this is coming from governor cuomo. kristina partsinevelos following all of this in new york city. christina. this is building quick. reporter: it is. now we got confirmation because the state has to approve these closures. now andrew cuomo, the governor of new york, saying yes indeed they will go ahead closing schools in the zip code areas. come wednesday we're still waiting to hear information. i would like to point out andrew cuomo is still speaking right now. come wednesday we could see closure of non-essential businesses, indoor, outdoor dining, hair salons as well as

schools in nine zip codes. like you said in brooklyn, as well as queens. there has been a major spike in coronavirus cases. the positivity rate over there is above 3%. so if those non-essential businesses go ahead and close all on wednesday, that would affect roughly half a million people. given the fact that they are having a press conference now we heard from mayor deblasio just yesterday own the news. listen in. >> talking about people who have been through so much, businesses who have struggled to survive, this won't be easy at all for families who depend on their livelihoods but it is something we believe is necessary to keep this city from going backwards towards where we were months ago. reporter: so we know that the state has officially just approved the closure of schools. we're still waiting to hear about non-essential businesses there ace lot of back and forth going on between the governor and as well as the mayor of new york. the mayor of new york saying that the state needs to step in with help for this.

you have the governor literally moments ago blaming local governments for the uptick, taking to twitter, and i quote, local governments have not done an effective job enforcement in the hot spot zip codes. new york state will be doing aggressive enforcement starting today. again in these nine regions. businesses will have two weeks. they will be closed for two weeks. we'll be allowed to reopen if the positivity rate in those areas decreases below 3%. they're also paying close attention to 11 other regions where we are starting to see an uptick. that is note good for new york, that is for sure. back to you. neil: kristina, thank you very much. some of the businesses to kristina's point really opened themselves. andrew rigell new york hospitality alliance director. what do you think of all this, andrew? >> this is absolutely devastating very challenging. people are trying to open up restaurants, finding a way to

survive. they may be shut down again before they even got open. so it is just, it is really tragic situation. neil: where do things stand right now with your members before we got news of this and the fact that a shutdown could last a while? >> well, it has been absolutely devastating. we just started reopening at a 25% indoor occupancy on september 30th. the rest of the state had been open at 50% indoor occupancy since back in june. so the city's restaurants, we've really seen thousands close. there was a report came out last week that up to 50% of them could close. 150,000 new yorkers that worked at restaurants and bars are still out of work. it is a dire situation. today's news only compounds that. neil: i just wonder too, i mean, many of your members have been looking for aid, anything out of washington. it has been quite a while waiting for it to come here. now there was the paycheck protection program and the like

but your members need a lot more than that i would imagine? >> we need a lot more. the paycheck protection helped a little while for those restaurants that got it. now they're exhausting personal savings. they didn't shut down because of a bad burger or people didn't like their service. we've been mandated by government to shut down. we need the same exact government to open to help businesses survive. the restaurant act passed in the hoist of representatives needs to be enacted into law. it is about restaurants, workers, helping people pay their rent, the vendors think about the economic ecosystem that relies on a vibrant restaurant industry? the farmers up state, the sales rep that sells you your beer, your florists if we don't get new york city's restaurants back operating and help keep as many of them open as possible now, i don't see how the rest of new york city's economy or even the nation's economy is going to recover. that is why we need the

restaurants act. it is the best program out there right now to help as many restaurants as possible. we're seeing it in new york, we're seeing it around the rest of the country. we need restaurants to recover for the rest of the economy to recover. neil: you hit a big ol' speed bump today. the new york city hospitality alliance center director. that is the hope. whatever happens to the establishments that have to shut their doors once again, it isn't too long, same with schools directly affected. we don't know schools that will be closed for in-person classes whether it will all go virtual. it is beyond just eight zip codes. it could expand to at least 11 others. i know that sounds like a lot of zip codes to some of you in states where people are more spread out but in this new york metropolitan area, talking about a radius of probably no more than 10 miles or so, but it is what it is as they say. it has become the catchphrase in

this country. all of this as the super spreader event or whatever you want to call it, spreader event just to put it more simply goes way beyond the judge barrett ceremony that was at the white house saturday, september 26. more than eight individuals who were at the event have tested positive for the coronavirus. life goes on. business goes on. but again the priority here seems to be as it should be on keeping people safe. it is clear to say right now that this encompassed kayleigh mcenany, the white house press secretary who deals routinely in often maskless sessions with the white house press corps. almost everyone with whom some of these key individuals come in contact with, we still don't know the full story. this is not a matter of going back in time, finding who said what, trying to trace it back to what the white house was saying then versus what the white house is saying now. we're not interested in pursuing

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bill stepien campaign manager, hope hicks, rnc chair ronna mcdaniel, the head of notre dame, reverend john jenkins. they were there for the celebratory event at the rose garden. chris christie, who helped the president at that event. he was in the third row i believe. he was helping the president prepare for his debate with joe biden. he too has tested positive. at least three senators, mike lee, ron johnson, thom tillis. but the list is growing. we only keep mentioning this to say that you know, when it keeps growing and growing, there are procedures in corporate america for this sort of thing, that you get a quarantine going. contact tracing, certainly the latter has picked up considerable steam over the last 72 hours to put it mildly but now the question that comes, all right, do you you at the white house do what many businesses do, borderline lock yourselves down or quarantine the facility?

because there are a lot of people who work beyond the white house staff at the white house. i'm talking those who have been there for decades, doing everything from cooking the first family's meals to cleaning up, to arranging all sorts of protocols that come in, dozens, hundreds of people in the scheme of things over all of these weeks. so we don't know yet whether that will involve a full-fledged quarantine of the white house itself. but given additional names i'm seeing here. we'll try to lock them down for you to know and double source this, but it is growing and it's a worry. chad pergram right now how this could be affecting a lot of things including the supreme court confirmation process for judge barrett. sir. reporter: well this is an issue on capitol hill too. you know sofar republicans are saying they will forge ahead with the confirmation hearings next week for judge amy coney barrett. the senate is out right now. mitch mcconnell senate majority weekend changed schedule because of concerns

about three senators tested positive late last week with the coronavirus after the white house event there is no testing regime at united states capitol. rodney davis a republican congressman from illinois. he is the top republican on the house administration committee, he has been pushing for testing here at the capitol since the spring. listen. >> i hope folks here on capitol hill to take a step back realize we left a lot of people, thousands of people on capitol hill vulnerable because we don't have the same capacity to address infections on the front end as fast as what the white house is able to do in this case. reporter: davis is among 14 house members, five senators who tested positive. there were three positive tests of republican senator alone, two of whom on the judiciary committee. the senate suspended the floor schedule next two weeks but the confirmation of amy coney barrett will start a week from today. politically the democrats will like to delay the hearing until

after the supreme court hears an obamacare case on november 10th? >> there is no reason on god's green earth it should be delayed, to rush a witness through with inadequate hearing where people can't see the witness face-to-face. reporter: we're expecting a partially virtual hearing next week, with some senators there, some not there when it comes to committee vote, the senators don't have to be there. they can vote by proxies so long as not a deciding vote to get nominee out of committee. you don't have to have a favorable vote to get it out of committee to get it on the senate floor, neil. neil: thank you my friend. chad pergram following better than anyone i know on capitol hill. we're still learning a little more about a measure going on in new york to lock down the facilities the governor said brought upon themselves, the paraphrasing here renewed lockdowns, restrictions indoor dining, eight zip codes, minimum of eight around the new york city area.

it sounds like it is growing. stay with us.

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♪. neil: we've been telling you about this escalating case count in the new york metropolitan area that will shut some businesses down again as a result. but governor is saying, governor

cuomo, without the hot spots, new york state has the lowest positivity rate in the nation. that seems to me like saying outside of that, mrs. lincoln, how did you like the show. take that out of the equation. this is populace region in the new york metropolitan area. charlie gasparino with the quick fallout from all the developments and soaring market to boot. i would imagine soaring on the relief over the president but you play it out for me? >> yeah. that is definitely part of it. that the president looks like he is getting better and, he is in our prayers. that is good news for stability. you know, neil, if you look at the markets, particularly on a short-term basis what they like is stability. the president getting better and possibly returning to the white house shortly would be a sign of stability and markets like that. there is another stability trait in there. you can see this a lot in the futures markets. the futures markets were pricing

in essentially a contested election for months and months and months. that led to some sort of underlying volatility in stock prices wild swings up and down. they're starting not to price that in as much anymore from what i'm understanding from traders. the contested election scenario is being discounted somewhat right now, meaning what traders are saying and this is not, these are traders, this is not me predicting, i don't need all the emails you want to depress voter turn out to elect biden and not trump because it is not true, i'm just giving you what i'm hearing from while wall street sources. if you don't like it, far be it from me to say what you should do. this is with i'm hearing, the contested election scenario is waning. what a lot of people are saying is that, a lot of traders, neil, is that biden is going to win out right, not through contested election. not three months of hanging chads, that the chances of that

are going down. the chances of him winning outright at least initially or a few days later are growing. and that stability trait is also in the market right now. so it is interesting what is going on. you have to look some stocks pricing in biden victory. some of the energy stocks sold off after the debate. then the president's covid announcement. energy stocks, meaning, biden would be bad for energy and for gas and oil and coal but he would be good for some lar energy. solar energy stocks are going up. kind of interesting what is going on. the markets are coming to term with a lot of information. neil, back to you. neil: and a lot, you're not kidding. thank you, charlie. thank you for keeping your language so clean here because that normally does not happen. neil: all right. we've got the dow up a lot today. this is really, deservedly so looks like the president will be okay. we'll find out from his, his

doctors. he might be even released today. it is all others that people are getting at least concerned about, how far this spreads in a white house where this seems very much to be spreading. after this. ♪

neil: all right. well, the good news is things are looking up for the president of the united states, that he

might have passed the diceiest time of his positive coronavirus diagnosis he got a couple of days ago, but not so for the place he wants to return to the white house, where cases seem to be popping up again and again. we have heard of a number of midlevel staffers there also tested positive for the virus. we don't feel safe sharing their names until we can double-source this, but suffice it to say that it's grown to possibly a dozen or more who were at or near that big event at the white house back on saturday, september 26 for judge barrett, as the president made the announcement that she would be his choice to replace judge ruth bader ginsbu ginsburg. who's who list of senators, staffers, kayleigh mcenany, kelly a kellyanne conway, a host of others, to say nothing of the president and his wife, leading some people to say maybe the white house should be in lockdown. too early to say that right now. but quarantines have been

advocated as contact tracing picks up considerable steam. you are looking outside walter reed medical center, where we are expecting an update on the president's condition and whether he will indeed return to the white house later today. blake burman with more from walter reed. hey, blake. reporter: you mentioned that who's who list of those who have tested positive. we have learned this afternoon that the press secretary kayleigh mcenany is now on that list testing positive for covid-19. senior most officials including president of the united states and first lady. though there are also reports at this hour as well that there are two white house staffers, additional white house staffers, that have tested positive, sort of mid to lower level staffers. we haven't been able to independently confirm their names but it goes to this, as we were talking about when i left you last hour, of not really knowing exactly how widespread this is inside the white house right now, especially considering that the white house is refusing to say exactly how many people that they know of

who have tested positive of covid-19. back out here at walter reed, we have not yet gotten an update today on president trump's condition. the white house chief of staff mark meadows did say on "fox & friends" this morning that the president's condition quote unquote, improved overnight, though we haven't gotten any official word from the president's physician or official word from the white house so far today. neil? neil: blake, thank you very very much, my friend. blake burman in the middle of all of that. to dr. tom price right now, the former health and human services secretary under this president, former georgia congressman, much much more. secretary, how do you think the white house is handling this right now, you know, spread of cases, at least, i'm not the doctor, you are, sound pretty worrisome. what do you think? >> well, good to be with you. i think right now, the secret is more information as opposed to less. to treat the white house as an area that certainly has been --

has evidence of a hot spot so you need to do all the things that need to be done to mitigate the challenge of transmitting it to somebody else. what that means is social distancing, physical distancing merchandise the buildi inside the building itself, masks for everybody, n-95 as opposed to cloth masks if possible. make certain that anybody that feels the least bit ill ought to be staying home and everybody ought to be tested on a regular basis to make certain they are not introducing more transmission into the white house than already exists. neil: i want to tap your medical expertise, if you don't mind. if you were the president's doctor, would you advise him to go back to the white house? >> i think that's a decision for the physicians and not having the clinical information available, it's not possible for me to say. and anybody else, frankly, who makes a conjecture about whether or not the president ought to go back to the white house without having that clinical information is simply being irresponsible. but the president has --

neil: i'm just talking in reference, doctor, i'm sorry, i'm talking in reference to the spreading number of cases, those testing positive. forget about whether it's safe for the president or safe for those around him. is it just a safe place to work, in your eyes? >> well, the president going back to the residence area of the white house is different than going to the west wing, and clearly, the president is an essential worker. let's be clear about that. so there is work that needs to be done and so long as he is physically able to carry out those duties, then whether he carries them out at walter reed or whether he carries them out at the residence area of the white house really is immaterial so long as his physicians agree with where that occurs. neil: i don't know the source of a lot of these new cases that are cropping up, doctor, but i do know that many of those who have since tested positive were at that september 25th event for judge amy barrett and i'm

wondering as well, since the vice president was there, out of an abundance of caution, whether he should quarantine himself. i know he's tested negative a number of times but is it say a good idea for him to debate on wednesday? as a doctor, what would you tell him? >> i think as long as he's isolated himself and i understand that he has, he hasn't come to the white house over the weekend, and as long as he continues to test negative and be asymptomatic and everybody around him, the same, then i think it's perfectly fine to proceed with his activity as is currently planned. but it's important to again, this is going to continue to be the challenge that we have as a nation even when we get a vaccine. we are going to have to continue to be cautious in the activities that we're doing, continue the mitigation efforts of physically distancing and hand washing and mask wearing until the virus has moved through our society and moved on, or has gone away.

and it will at some point. but it certainly isn't at this point. neil: you know, i'm happy things are looking better for the president. i'm sure you are, doctor, but they do still seem to have a cavalier attitude about the disease, and i'm wondering, obviously it's a life-changing diagnosis when you get it, testing positive for covid, many many have, obviously, but it doesn't seem again to have changed the behavior or what will happen at the white house. now, it might. it might be a requirement that everyone wears these masks, to your point, and all that, but given the fact the president was driving around and waving to supporters in his car, and i understand he wants to thank them and let them know that, but it just seems a little cavalier to me. your thoughts? >> well, i think that as i mentioned, i think that it's imperative that the white house, the west wing and those working in the white house and in the executive complex all take this extremely seriously, and it's

important that they do the things that need to be done to make certain that those individuals that come and work in that area aren't unduly exposed. these are essential workers. the business of the united states has to go on. it's not like you can just take a break for a number of months. so the activity, everybody has a personal responsibility to act in a way that makes it less likely that they are going to transmit it or that they are going to address it as rapidly as possible if they do, in fact, get the virus itself. neil: doctor, secretary, very good seeing you. thank you very much for stopping by. tom price, former health and human services secretary of the united states. joined now by carol markowitzma. kat, i want to touch on a number of developments in your neck of the woods and that is this renewed crackdown in some of these vulnerable zip codes in

and around new york city. it started at eight, it could grow well beyond that. what do you think about this now, because it sounds like they are going to be shutting things down again. >> yeah. well, what i think is when they start shutting things down again, yes, some stuff's open but it's still pretty shut down as it is, right? there is the option of at least in my neighborhood still outdoor dining but you know, it is getting a little cooler out, especially at night, so unless you want to eat dinner at 5:30 in the afternoon, it's really not that fun anymore. the 25% indoor, a lot of these restaurants are really really small so if they are even -- that's going to be possible for them, it's going to be hard to snag one of those seats. with the way things are, it's quite frankly bad enough for me right now. thinking about another lockdown depresses me beyond my baseline of depression that i have maintained through this entire

thing. neil: don't let it get the best of you. we are learning in this back-and-forth about what to do in new york city that there must be clear friction between the democratic governor and democratic mayor. a reporter apparently asked governor cuomo about why the mayor has been unable to pull the trigger with enforcement closures. he said you would have to ask the mayor that. that isn't very reassuring. your thoughts? >> yeah, it's a continuing battle between these two. i think these closures are the dumbest things i have ever heard and i hard a lot of dumb things during this covid lockdown. they are closing down only some areas and they are closing down schools which have only been open about a week so have had no cases yet. if they close down the businesses which is still unclear, people will just go to businesses in the next neighborhood over and spread covid. i think one of the bigger points that i have not seen a lot of people make but i will be making in a column that will run in the "new york post" tomorrow is

testing in these areas is far lower than in areas with low covid positive rates. so if you are testing just a few people who have symptoms, for example, instead of testing large numbers of people, you will have higher rates. i think we are doing this all backwards. i cannot believe we haven't learned anything from the previous lockdown that covid cannot be contained and here we are with the mayor and governor arguing again about what should happen. neil: you know, i think the governor was saying earlier some businesses took advantage of this. i don't know whether he was referring to restaurants that went beyond the 25% capacity thing. i have no idea. but that they brought this, i think what he was saying, i don't want to put words in his mouth, they brought this upon themselves, what do you think? >> that's a strong how dare you from me honestly, because it's quite easy for him to say that. he's not struggling financially. he has not been, you know,

assaulted with horrible thoughts of what am i going to do, how am i going to pay my bills. i even as someone who is still working and at the office right now would have a horrible, horrible, horrible time if i would ever dare to say you know, you guys should really not worry about it, you guys should really not break the rules because i can't say that. that would be hypocritical. i have no idea what they are going through. i can empathize. i can't sympathize and neither can he. for he to judge people and actually criticize them and slam them for truly just trying to survive, i mean, they're not trying to be greedy here. they are trying to pay their bills. this started in march. neil: it's a very good point. carol, where do you think all of this is going, especially so much of the new york city area suddenly finds itself under pretty serious restrictions again. >> again, i think what we're doing is so backward. again, containment has not worked. it has not worked anywhere. i think attempting this again when it hasn't worked before is

insane. i would love to know which businesses cuomo is pointing to as breaking the rules and spreading covid because i honestly don't see it. i see pretty good mask wearing all over the city. i think they are just targeting these areas that have a slight uptick and really going way too far. again, closing schools is the craziest thing i have ever heard of considering there have been no cases at all yet. neil: guys, thank you both very very much. i know we had other subjects planned here but you handled this breaking news very well. as you always do. i appreciate that. by the way, one of the things a lot of people say well, with all this uncertainty about the cases spreading in and around the white house, why is the market soaring? it could have something to do with because of all of that, the prospects for stimulus look a little bit better. we are getting word that nancy pelosi and treasury secretary steve mnuchin spoke for about an hour on the phone on this relief package. they agreed to talk again on tuesday. this is coming from nancy pelosi's spokesman, saying all

of this on twitter. so as confusing as all these developments are on the virus front, it's hastening the need for both parties to sit down, quit arguing and hammer out an accord on stimulus. the devil's in the details and whether they can separate what's hundreds of millions of dollars into something resembling a package. we are a long way from there but wall street is counting on them to do just that. staying on top of your game

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>> and more spending and ultimately, bigger deficits, bigger debt and perhaps higher interest rates as a result, but listen, this is a difficult time to be an investor. so many things buffeting the market. obviously most severely, the illness. neil, i have to say, i'm a little surprised that the market's having such a good day today. look, i'm not being hyperbolic to say we could have a serious constitutional crisis on our hands. the president, and i certainly wish he and melania well, but he is an older man, he's not in great health. a lot of members of his inner circle are testing positive. i'm a little surprised to see the market doing as well as it is. the real story, as you said, has been in the bond market, selling off pretty dramatically in the last couple days. that's because no matter what happens with the illness, what's assured is more lockdowns and more spending that's pushing bond prices lower and pushing bond yields up. neil: one of the arguments, i talked to a number of wall streeters, you know, over the past few days, including this

past weekend, who are of the view maybe the market or the politics is giving you lemons, you make lemonade. i don't say that to make a political aspersion here but by and large, there is a more low tax, low regulatory environment, wall street, yet it seems according to some to be embracing a biden presidency on the notion that he will be doing a lot of spending and that's a lot of stimulus and the markets can live with that. do you buy that? >> well, you know, i think trying to make market predictions based on who wins the presidency is really a fool's errand. those who predicted the market would be fractured under president trump proved exactly that point. this once again just makes it such a difficult time, this time around, because we are not only trying to game the presidential election but also the virus, the health of a lot of currently elected administrators, the potential for a new supreme court justice.

in my fund as a professional investor, we are raising liquidity because the tea leaves are so difficult to decipher. with the virus still wreaking havoc even in our own administration. neil: were you surprised that the regal cinemas and all 500 plus of those in the united states shutting down, they are going to be laying off tens of thousands of people worldwide, that that was but a blip on the radar? what did you make of that? >> yeah. well, they really tried but you know, the fact is there's not a lot of audience now who wants to go sit in an enclosed movie theater. what's been so interesting about covid is that in effect, it sped up a lot of trends that were already in place. amazon, zoom, teleworking, these were trends already in place and it has hastened the end of that traditional movie theater experience. it was already on its way out and regal is one example of a company that's pretty highly leveraged.

they had a lot of debt coming into the covid. i think ultimately we will get through this. they said they would never build skyscrapers in new york after 9/11. they did. i think movie theaters will come back after covid but in a new way. maybe it will be more like dinner or experience but for now, movie theaters are on the way out and this news from regal is just the latest example. neil: yeah. it's a tough environment, when you reopen and the best you can show is "jaws." okay. we will see what happens, my friend. jonathan hoenig, always good chatting. the dow up about 340 points right now. we are waiting to get details on exactly what kind of progress we have been hearing in these talks to get a coronavirus package going, but the president and nancy pelosi, they have struck up quite the friendship here, at least to move the ball forward. we are also waiting and probably more importantly for status on the president, about how he's doing, whether he will be able to go back to the white house

today. but again, given all these new positive cases in and around the white house, you could reasonably ask yourself why do you want to go back there again? after this.

neil: all right. new york governor cuomo still speaking with the press right now, has no idea whether some of the new restrictions, especially for restaurants in and around the new york metropolitan area, these so-called vulnerable zip codes that will see their operations scaled back a little bit, no way to handicap how long it will take, but if california is any example, it could be awhile. william la jeunesse on how california counties are handling an uptick in cases that can sometimes last awhile. william? reporter: well, neil, new york and california are doing it entirely different. new york is going after neighborhoods. well, not in california. remember why we went into

lockdown in the first place, stop the spread, bend the curve? now california says counties cannot reopen until they address historic inequities and reduce infection rates in poor, black and latino communities. take los angeles. 3,000 zip codes. under this new requirement, positivity rates must be roughly equal across the county, meaning until -- i think we have a graph here -- it basically equalizes from one area to another. >> 4,960 people who passed away where race and ethnicity has been identified, 50% are latinx. reporter: i have another map to show you. positive rates around the state, purple counties, remain largely closed. yellow, open. however, this new metric, counties cannot reopen or advance until they reduce rates in the hardest-hit neighborhoods. >> i do believe that there are

ways to meet those metrics in large counties and the thresholds will keep guiding our way. reporter: but many local officials say it makes no sense. why penalize thousands of businesses, bars, restaurants, gyms, trying to reopen safely because a city 50 miles away cann cannot? >> -- families we ought to be working most hard to protect rather than inflicting punishment on everybody else. reporter: they must improve all communities if they hope to open and that could hurt some people hoping to go to work because of some city many miles away. neil? neil: thank you very very much, my friend. william la jeunesse reporting from los angeles. we told you what's going on in the new york metropolitan area. well, sometimes there are these phenomena that occur in the

middle of things including a rally in support of president trump over the weekend that got more than five million twitter views. the woman behind this joins us right now. she is the republican running for max rosen's seat in staten island. i'm talking about congressional seat. nicole, boy, this looks like a huge crowd. what was the, you know, the inspiration for it? was it planned, preplanned, did it just sort of virally take off, what? >> well, this was the staten island republican party. as you know, we have one of the most hotly contested congressional races. i'm taking on congressman max rose, who not only voted to impeach the president but has also sided with the defund the police crowd, votes with nancy pelosi 97% of the time. these people came out to support the president but to also demand law and order be restored to the

streets of our city. they are very unhappy with what's happening here under mayor bill deblasio. they want someone in washington who is going to hold him accountable and that's why i'm running for congress and right now, we are ahead in the polls. nancy pelosi keeps pumping in millions of dollars in an attempt to stop me from winning, but as you can see from the crowd, this district is energized and they are ready to get out there and vote. neil: i had congressman rose on last week. we were talking about, you know, where things stand on, you know, various stimulus efforts to help folks out. he is for anything and everything that can be done to get another coronavirus package out. are you? in other words, would you support another stimulus measure? >> i do, but max may say that when he's on tv with you. however, when the republicans put forward a measure to just allow the ppp money that's

already been allocated to be issued to businesses that have been waiting, he voted against that. so he talks a great game when he's on television but then he goes to washington -- neil: to be fair, to be fair, he wanted something all inclusive in a stimulus measure. you might be right, politics i'm sure is played on everyone's part here, but would you be for something that ends up being a lot more expensive than earlier thought? some of the figures they're kicking around is something closer to $2 trillion right now. would you be okay with that? >> well, i think the number that the republicans are looking at are probably in the 1 to 1.5 mark but i will say this. i wouldn't support what, you know, this blanket release of convicted felons or to change our voting system to same day, eliminate all voter identification laws in the country -- neil: what's an extension of those federal unemployment benefits? what about an extension of the federal unemployment benefits?

the two parties for now seem only separated by the amount, whether 300 or 400 or 600 a week as some democrats want. where are you on this? >> yeah. i think, look, i'm with the republicans on this. but it has to be tailored. i think we need to tailor it specifically to covid relief, not throw in all these idealogical things that don't belong in a covid relief package. i think that's really what -- neil: i understand that. but on the unemployment benefits, just so i can be clear, you are open to republicans who want to extend that as well, just not at $600 a week? maybe $300, $400? where are you on that? >> i think -- i think the 300 to 400 mark is really where the president and the republicans are. i agree with that. don't want people making more than what they were actually making when they were working because then that incentivizes people to return to work which is what a lot of small businesses are talking about. at least if they could pass the ppp and agree on that, they should do that and then they can negotiate the rest of the

package. quite frankly, nancy pelosi and max rose, they left town and are out on the campaign trail instead of doing their jobs. neil: you know, the senate is going to be leaving town for two weeks. they are all leaving town, right? >> they should both be staying there, quite frankly, until a package is done because what they are doing right now is turning their backs on the american people. neil: thank you very very much. republican candidate for congressional seat in the new york staten island area. more specifically. in the meantime, we talk about spikes in cases here in the united states. of course, it's in parts of europe as well, particularly in france and particularly right now what's going on in paris. benjamin hall has an update out of london. reporter: hi, neil. europe has really felt it got a grip on coronavirus. you had the early lockdowns in march and april and since then, we have seen economies opening, businesses reopening, schools almost back to normal. what we have seen over the last few weeks is this second surge

of infections. many people now calling it the second wave as the weather turns and winter seems to be appearing. the uk which has the biggest death toll in the eu, over 42,000 people, has now reported almost 13,000 new cases in a day. that's more than double the last weekly average and approaching the highest figure from back in march and april. localized restrictions have now had to be imposed in some northern cities to prevent gatherings and prime minister boris johnson has suggested that it was ignoring restrictions that has led to this surge. >> to be fair, what happened over the summer is there has been a sort of fraying of people's discipline and attention so that's why it's so important that we follow the guidance, get the virus down, allow the economy to keep moving. reporter: in france, a daily record number of cases has also been reported, with just over 17,000 new cases in 24 hours. as a result, france and paris is now having to ban and close all

bars and restaurants as of tomorrow. something which is going to be a major hit to the economy. they have raised their coronavirus alert to maximum. we have also got madrid doing a u-turn, reimposing their lockdown. some 4.8 million people are now banned from leaving that area along with some of the surrounding towns, and the fear now is that without action, european hospitals could soon be overwhelmed. but, the big but, is that the death rate for 72 days has stayed stable even though case numbers have risen. there is a growing chorus of voices saying as long as the death rate stays low, there should be no need to reimpose harsh restrictions which have such an impact on people's livelihoods, jobs, careers, if they can keep the death rate low. that's the same argument we are hearing in the u.s. we are hearing it over here as well. neil: amazing. thank you very much. benjamin hall in london following the fast-moving developments. in the meantime, you heard about all the airlines that are now looking at laying off thousands of folks. it will directly affect you, too, especially where you want to go.

i'm not talking big, big cities. i'm talking not even close to big cities. grady trimble on that. reporter: yeah. airlines are cutting more routes, and that means some airports will have no airline whatsoever, no flights out of them. we will tell you which ones coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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on that map will have no airline serving them, no flights whatsoever. this comes as american and united airlines move forward with job cuts for a combined 32,000 employees. both airlines say that could be reversed if the federal government could reach a deal. a deal does look promising but if one does happen, as we have covered this hour, we don't know when that would be or what it would look like. >> i do think that there is the potential for a deal, as long as politics do not get in the way again. but even if a large comprehensive bill is not possible because of a few things that are out there, and there are still some major differences, let's go ahead and pass the number of things that we can agree upon. reporter: the airline industry one of the hardest hit from the pandemic, as you can see from this chart. fewer than a million passengers going through tsa checkpoints across the country in a single day since march, that number was

closer to two million and now with these route cuts on the way, it could be trouble, especially for these smaller cities which will no longer have flights into or out of them. neil? neil: grady, thank you very much. grady trimble on all of that. we have been talking about how things have shifted in this country since the coronavirus hit. a lot of people moving out of cities, that's obviously one of the more note wiworthy developms but so are the jobs. lauren simonetti on all of that. reporter: glassdoor finds that job openings in, i will show you five major cities, some of the biggest in the country, including new york, san francisco, los angeles, washington, d.c. and seattle, are seeing job openings down more than 20% from last year. it's not only people, but companies, too are moving out. they want more physical space and they want cheaper rent and mortgages. where are they going? gainesville, florida in the north of florida. bismarck, north dakota.

and ogden, utah, north of salt lake city. in other words, smaller cities. these three in particular are seeing not only an influx of people but business as well. all of this aided by the work-from-home trend. but these small pockets of growth don't tell the complete picture, the whole story. job openings nationally down 15% from the pre-pandemic levels. permanent layoffs are rising and there's a lack of stimulus from washington. that's threatening the smaller businesses' survival. it's not all gloom and doom. tech and retail are hiring, especially with the holidays upon us. the bulk of their hires in warehousing and logistics. that's a sign of the changing times. the long-term implications of all this, especially for the big cities that remains to be seen, but a vaccine would help surely bring the office workers back. maybe the tourists back, too. i don't know when the people are going to go back but a lot of these big cities feel like ghost towns lately. neil: they really do.

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neil: all right. more states are sending mail-in ballots. they are not all that easy to get ahold of or certainly understand. eric shawn following all of that. reporter: well, lots happening on the mail-in ballots in court today. let's start with those ballot boxes. that's where you take your ballot and put it in the box. lot of contention and controversy about that. just in the last hour or so, the secretary of state of ohio changed the rules for that important key swing state in this election. there was a ruling by a federal judge that said that they had to expand beyond one ballot box per county. another secretary of state says that yes, you can do that as long as the box or receptacle is

put on the board of elections property, meaning voters in ohio can vote 24/7 by handing their ballot in to a receptacle that is on the board of elections property. meanwhile, in texas, there are two lawsuits ongoing there, challenging that state one ballot box per county or that the governor greg abbott has cited election security as the reason for limiting the number of ballot boxes to just one. you've got some big counties in texas. critics say it puts an undue burden on the voters there who in some counties would have to travel an hour and a half or so just in order to vote. >> -- hundreds of thousands of seniors and voters with disabilities here in harris county and millions of voters across the state of texas to use a single drop-off location in these massive counties is not only prejudicial but it's dangerous. reporter: it's not only the ballot boxes. in michigan, officials there are planning to extend the deadline for mail-in votes to be counted

by two weeks after election day. but you know critics say chan stretching the deadline by 14 days can abuse the election process. >> there is an election date, votes are voted on election day, people have plenty of time to get their absentee ballot, take it to their township or county or city and turn it in in advance of election day and the election day should be election day, and that should be the end of it. reporter: well, the opposite of that is happening in indiana, if you can keep all this together and not too confusing. there, they have decided to extend the deadline by ten days but as long as the ballot is postmarked by election day. neil? neil: all right. eric shawn, thank you very much for that. in the meantime, we are still waiting for an update on the president's condition at walter reed medical center in bethesda, maryland. we were supposed to get that a little while ago.

doesn't mean there are any problems. we are told the president is doing very well, they might be releasing him today. how do we know the reports we are getting are accurate? not to disparage this president but the fact is a number of his predecessors have hoodwinked us in the past when it goes to health matters and some of it goes back centuries. a presidential historian extraordinaire is back with me. it's hard to pull that kind of stuff today but there was a time where some big news was kept away from americans. woodrow wilson comes to mind. what happened? >> yes. right. you're right. woodrow wilson had a stroke, he was campaigning for the league of nations, for the senate to ratify it and the senate would not do that. that was in late 1919, he was toward the end of his second term and he had a stroke. it was a severe stroke. he was paralyzed, he could hardly speak, and he remained bedridden for the next 17, 18

months. so his wife was, edith, was offer delivering information to him, yet he was often incapacitated yet played out the last year and a half of his presidency in that condition. neil: how is it we find out so much later this stuff? in that case it was decades later but it was similar with john f. kennedy. of course, tragically assassinated but we didn't realize until well after the fact, many years after the fact, he was battling a number of medical issues, huh? >> right. now, wilson's wife edith wrote a memoir 20 years later where she said i did not make any major decisions. but i did dictate which information would get to the president. so she did play a role. president kennedy, you're right, he had not only have addison's disease which plays havoc with your hormones and causes -- can

cause depression, fatigue, but also he had colitis, he had ulcers, he had degenerative back disease. he was a walking pill box taking so much medication, yet he was able to make it through the cuban missile crisis heavily medicated, and that worked out well for the united states. so he had terrible physical problems, medical problems, but he went on and we did not know about it until decades later. neil: you know, sometimes there are good examples when you are undergoing medical treatment, you know, with dwight eisenhower, right in the middle of an election year when he was going up for re-election, of course he had his heart ailment, he was being hospitalized. boy, they gave more details than you wanted to know but they gave them. explain that. >> well, they did. and it was, you're right, it was about a year before the election, he has his heart attack, he's in the hospital for four weeks. vice president nixon was

visiting with him daily and eisenhower made it clear that he wanted it that way in case the conditions would be worse. now, we did know about that heart attack, neil, but the voters had a chance to vote on it both in the republican primary and at the ballot box when he ran for re-election in 1956. he was re-elected by a greater margin in 1956 than he was in the first place in 1952. so the voters said hey, it's okay, we believe that even somewhat incapacitated eisenhower has recovered and we would rather have him for president. neil: does it engender sympathy, empathy, support, maybe we have been too tough? i only think of it now with this president and all, a lot of people have rallied around him, hope he gets better. what do you think? >> well, remember president reagan had colonoscopy in 1985 at the beginning of his second term and it proved to be

cancerous, and in fact, the physician said that although the physician said he had better than a 50/50 chance of living through this, in the long run, that it was serious and reagan i think hoped that that would add some sympathy to his policy agenda, but there's no evidence that it did. neil: that's interesting. burt, thank you very much. fascinating look back in history. it's much harder to pull that off today and keep people out of the loop. that's why we're looking forward to this update. the sooner the better. after this. hi, this is margarel technologies advisor to listen, is to hear more than what's being said... and offer the answers that make someone feel truly heard. i understand, let's get started call a dell technologies advisor today. i discovered my great aunt ruth signed up as a nursing cadet for world war ii. she was only 17.

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♪. neil: i leave you with the dow continuing to sprint along very nicely, waiting to hear an update on the president. charles payne will probably have that this hour. hey, charles. charles: neil, thank you very much. happy monday. good afternoon, everyone, i'm charles payne, this is making money. breaking right now u.s. markets is sparked by reports that president trump could indeed return to the white house as early as today. investors hold out hopes for more stimulus as the clock ticks particularly louder for small communities and small businesses. we'll get an update from tennessee congressman mark green. president trump woke up in good spirits this morning going on a tweet storm with a month to go before the election. how will his diagnosis of