ahead of the debate and after it with some reaction from swing state seaters. that does it for us on "after the bell." jackie, we will see you soon back in new york once again. again, i'll see you at 8:00 with neil, but we wrap up from here right now. "lou dobbs tonight" starts right now. have a great night, everybody. ♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. we are 12 days from what president trump calls the most important election in american history. and this country is in the midst to of what often seems to be an utter breakdown in american society. the radical left has decided that it doesn't matter really who votes in this election so long as the left-wing corporate media, big tech, social media and, of course, the deep state are allowed to deny voters the knowledge of any wrongdoing by their candidate, joe biden. the left in this country believes you may have the right to vote, you just don't have the right to know.

and it is that thinking and that commitment on the part of the left that could well spark a political explosion in this country, one that would return our republic -- turn our republic upside down. 20 odd years ago corporate america, academia, the left-wing national media, indeed, both political parties hailed something called the knowledge economy, that it would drive the future prosperity of america and raise democracy across the third world. well, it turns out that those very same institutions now -- that is, government, corporate america, social media, big tech -- strive and strive mightily to make certain that knowledge is not shared in the body politic, that voters may vote, but they may not know. that, in fact, only elites in this country should have the right to know and should have the right to tell you what you may and may not know. recent bombshell exposes about the corruption of hunter and joe

biden have been censored by radical dems in congress, the media giants, silicon valley building, if you will, a silicon wall between americans and knowledge of what their government and their politicians are actually doing. the newsrooms of the corporate left-wing national media have, indeed, become outposts for the radical dems, the left. they've all tried to bury any report whether it be "the new york post" or fox news about what is happening in this country. npr has been among those denying the public right to know, particularly the truth about the reported corruption of hunter and joe biden. npr's public editor today said that, quote, we don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories, and we don't want to waste the listeners' and readers' time on stories that are just pure distractions. how considerate of the npr

editor. in other words, move along, you great unwashed. we heats of the -- elites of the left will decide what is news and what is yours to know. as the left ignores story after story, the stories only grow larger. fox news today obtained text messages between hunter biden and one of his former business partners, tony bobulinski. hunter biden sent an e-mail, and that e-mail remained on hunter biden's laptop. and it revealed the big guy, joe biden as he was referred to, was in for a 10% cut of a business deal with a chinese energy firm. in a statement to fox news today, bobulinski said this, quote: hunter biden called his dad, "the big guy" or "my chairman," and frequently referenced asking him for his

sign-off or advice on various potential deals we were discussing. i'm seeing vice president biden say he never talked to hunt her about his business. i've seen firsthand that that's not true. because it wasn't just hunter's business. they said they were putting the biden family name and its legacy on the line. and tonight that legacy, that name does appear to be on the line. bobulinski says he intends to provide material to the senate finance and homeland security committees which document the corruption of the bidens. he's also, by the way, we've just learned president trump's special guest at tonight's debate against joe biden. questions about the bidens' overseas business dealings loom over tonight's final debate, of course. fox business' hillary vaughn is in nashville getting ready for the big showdown and joins us with more on what we can expect

this evening. hillary? >> reporter: hi, lou. there will be six toppings discussed at tonight's debate, but missing from that list is the topic on the economy. that is something the president has said would be a top priority for him if he gets a second term. >> i asked you what's the priority? i mean, those are all the good things -- >> the priority now is to get back the normal, get back to where we were, to have the economy rage and be great with jobs and everybody be happy. and that's where we're going, and that's where we're heading. >> and who is -- >> reporter: both candidates, both candidates are on the ground here in nashville and getting ready for their final face to face before election day. but tonight the growing scandal surrounding the bidens' overseas business deals will be right in front of joe biden's face tonight because president trump is bringing hunter biden's ex-business partner, tony

bobulinski, to the debate tonight, and trump plans to point him out in the audience when confronting biden about business deals with his son hunter. but so far biden has not gone on the record to deny these reports, and today his campaign is dismissing them as russian misinformation. >> we expect that trump will attack biden is and his family, and every time he does that all he's doing is reinforcing what we've said all along. he is acknowledging that he has no case for a second term. >> reporter: lou, there's been a lot of talk about the mute button and how it will be used tonight, but the commission says they're not going to use the mute button in open discussion which means they're not going to use it to try to rein in a candidate if they get unruly or if they interrupt a lot. lou? lou: this hapless debate commission had better not. hillary vaughn, thanks so much. we appreciate it. we'll have much more on

tonight's debate. it looks like it'll be a blockbuster. as well, of course, more stories on the corruption of joe and hunter biden. we're joined by white house chief of staff mark meadows, the political savant himself, ed rollins are, pulitzer prize-winning columnist michael goodwin and former cia national security expert fred fleitz. well, republicans on the senate judiciary committeed today unanimously voted to advance the supreme court nomination of judge amy coney barrett to the full senate for a full vote this coming monday. it was unanimous because the radical dems on the committee boycotted today's proceedings. the full senate will vote to make judge barrett a supreme court justice, as i said, on monday. the radical left's boycott of judge barrett's confirmation comes as their presidential candidate says he plans to reform the entire court system. listen to what joe biden told

viacom's cbs. >> i'll put together a national commission of bipartisan commission of scholars, constitutional scholars, democrats, republicans, liberal, conservative, and i will ask them to over 180 days come back to me with recommendations as to how to reform the court system because it's getting out of whack. it's not about court packing. there's a number of other things that constitutional scholars have debated. lou: i didn't see a single interruption in that, did you? coming up next, we'll have more on the left's cover-up for joe biden's corruption scandal. we're joined next by white house chief of staff mark meadows. and thank you to everyone who's made my new book a national bestseller, "the trump century," available now. go to loudobbsshop.com. go to loudobbsshop.com. there's lots of treasures there

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site doxing trump watchers. that allows you to search by zip code or address and see a map of who donated -- in this case donatedded means, in fact, spent money at the trump shop. it's arguably a chinese-sponsored venture as well. we don't really have a clear ideas of the ownership because they've made certain that through their corporate structure we can't find out. but we'll try nonetheless. also breaking tonight, the biden corruptioning scandal is widening, and now it involves radical dem vice presidential candidate kamala harris. according to a may 2017 e-mail obtained by fox news, harris and other prominent democrats are listed as key domestic contacts for benchers between hunter

biden, his associates and chinese venture company. other key contacts include chuck schumer, amy klobuchar, dianne feinstein, new york governor andrew cuomo, and what list would be complete without the raging socialist, new york city mayor bill de blasio? our first guest tonight is among those with the president for tonight's debate, and joining us now from nashville, tennessee, the president's chief of staff, mark meadows. mark, good to have you here. the big story here in the last hour has been the appearance of a very special guest tonight for the president, mr. bobulinski is going to be there. i think this in military terms would be called conditioning the battlefield. well, we're conditioning the battlefield. we're also, hopefully, letting the american people see the truth perhaps for the first time. so on the national stage,

certainly his presence will help everyone understand that this is about biden corruption. and we're not talking about just hunter biden. in fact, i would suggest let's just talk about joe biden. since he's on the ballot, let's make sure the american people know exactly how corrupt his activities have been. and when we start to look at everything that has unfolded over the last several years, you can't help but draw a conclusion that it was a pay-to-play scheme. and so joe biden, on the debate stage, should answer some questions about that tonight. lou: and certainly in the social media universe a lot of people are having fun with the term quid pro joe. [laughter] the slice that he took of whatever pie they were dividing with the chinese, with the ukrainians, with the romanians, with the kazahkstanis, it gets

to be quite a tremendous amount of money. but do you know, does the president know what the fbi has been doing with the hunter biden laptop that has all of that, that treasure-trove of information and documents for the past ten months? >> well, we don't know, lou. and honestly, that's one of those things where the fbu will neither confirm nor deny e any investigation that may be going on. as you know, director wray on a number of issues has been, his fbi has lacked a transparency in terms of getting documents to senators. but i wouldn't suggest that in this particular case. hopefully, they're investigating it. we've now seen enough evidence that would suggest that there was at least probable cause to open an investigation. whether they have or not, we probably won't know for some time. but it does sound like, to me, that not only have they been in possession of a laptop, but they're been in possession of

other information. so now we're all of a sudden seeing whistleblowers and other witnesses coming forward to say that not only was this not russian disinformation, but it was very troubling in terms of the activity, it's pay-to-play access to joe biden and the white house. and supposedly, nothing was wrong but yet what we do know president donald trump has been saying this for a long time, now finally the facts are coming out that supports his allegations from years ago. lou: the president has had to face stiff competition from the biased moderators, i think it's fair to say, that have preceded the one tonight. she appears to be the slyest of all, potentially. he is dealing with a debate commission that is absolutely -- it may not be a rogue operation in the eyes of the left, it certainly is to conservatives and republicans.

how is he going to deal with the anticipated friction and contra temps by this moderator that doesn't even put the economy on the list of fop topics to be discussed in the final debate or foreign policy for which this presidents has won four nobel peace prize nominations? >> well, i can tell you this, that it is disappointing, i think, to the american people to not have the i economy which is, obviously, the number one thing that people are concerned about, not be the lion's share of this topic or foreign policy which, when president donald trump was candidate donald trump running, they said, oh, well, this is his weaknessment well, it's turned out to be his strength. he's accomplished more in four years than most presidents, in fact, i would say than any president has in eight years on the foreign policy e realm. we went from endless wars to

actually having a peace deal under this president. so it does a disservice to the american people when you pick and choose the topics that are slanted to, hopefully, be a benefit to vice president biden, but i can tell you the president's ready. he will take his message to the american people. and listen, he's been a fighter before he got here, he's been a fighter for the four years, he'll be a fighter for the next four years because he is most concerned about america first and the things that matter to main street americans. lou: you know, i can't imagine he by now will have a smile on his face and deal with this with some considerable humor because the absurdity of the opposition, the resistance as it's called, has become comedic. one great note for millions of americans, nancy pelosi is talking like she's seriously interested now in doing a deal.

where does the potential china virus relief stimulus package stand this evening? >> well, i hope she's ready to do a deal. what we've seen for the first 90 days has been a lot of talk and not much action. the president has asked secretary mnuchin and myself to stay involved. the secretary and the speaker, as you know, have had a number of discussions. i'm hopeful that those discussions will provide some real results for the american people. i can tell you that chairmen on the democrat side and chairmen on the republican side are talking to try to look at language and reach some kind of consensus. so we've entered a new phase. but the president has been very clear, there's a lot of people that are hurting, let's get politics out of the way. he's met her more than halfway. it's time that she makes a deal, and if not, she'll have to

answer for that not only on november 3rd, but for many years to come. when people are hurting, there's one person who stood up and helped, and that's president donald j. trump. lou: mark meadows, chief of staff for president trump, thanks for being with us. appreciates it. the "lou dobbs tonight" quote of the day from legendary florida state university coach bobby bowden who recently recovered from the china virus. the coach said, quote: i've had the chance to get a lot of wins in my life, but i really wanted to win this one because i i wanted to be around to vote for president trump. so please take the time, dadgumit, for the sake of our children and grandchildren to keep america great and vote for president trump. we'd like to hear your thoughts on all of this. share your comments. follow me on twitter @loudobbs like me on facebook, follow me

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♪ ♪ lou: there's no secret that president trump and the corporate left-wing national media with, the corporate media, it's just, it's not a good thing. and viacom's cbs' "60 minutes"

in a disputatious battle. lesley stahl claiming that reports of spying on president trump have been, quote-unquote, discuss credited. discredited. we're going to take that up and much more with the editor in the chief of "the news," john solomon, as well as files that he has obtained today from former hunter biden associate tony bobulinski. he's the author of "fallout: nuclear bribes, russian spies and the washington lies that enriched the clinton and biden dynasties." john, good to have you with us. >> good to be with you. lou: did you just about fall out of your seat when you heard lesley stahl say to the president that stories of spying on his administration and campaign have been discredited? >> i did because it's just factually wrong, and "60 minutes" knows better than that. i worked with "60 minutes" on a project about a decade and a half ago. they took great care that every

word would be true, and lesley stahl clearly broke that. there is overwhelming evidence that the fbi spied on donald trump and his associates. i was at least four things i can remember off the top of my head starting with the fact that in august 2016 during the very first fbi counterintelligence briefing they gave then-nominee donald trump, they inserted an agent specifically to spy on president trump and michael flynn. and they recorded every word that donald trump said, even a comment he had made about his minor son. that's called spying. in january of '17, they did it again one of his very first baseline briefings as president. they wanted to put an agent in, and somebody said that's not appropriate. we shouldn't be using it. we know of at least two trump associates who had counter -- human resources run up against them who recorded their words and made transcripts of it. when you wear a body wire and record somebody, that's called spying.

lesley stahl has no basis to make the statement she did in the interview with the president, and i think it's one of the problems we see in media today. reporters are out there wishing what they say is true instead of knowing whether it's true. lou: yeah. it was a stunning, stunning misstatement on the part of lesley stahl. >> yeah. lou: i want everyone to see what the attorney general, it's a very famous quote from the attorney general, and here is william barr on spying. >> i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. i think there's evidence i spying did occur. yes, i think spying did occur. lou: and the -- [laughter] and the deep state and the radical dems just were beside themselves. they wanted him so to say something about surveillance or, i don't know, cupcakes and daffodils. [laughter]

he used a great word, spying. plain anglo-saxon stuff that all of us can understand, even me. >> yep. and, listen, we see this time and again. just a couple days ago we had adam schiff out there saying it's russian disinformation on the hard drive, and then the dni came out and said, no, it's not. how many reporters went with adam schiff and never corrected the record when the dni came out and said the laptop is not russian disinformation, it's not a spy campaign. time and time and time again in the trump era my profession, people that call themselves professional journalists, have leapt the american public down by misreporting and injecting subjective opinion and e trying to pretend it's fact. it's a shame, and they're disserving the public and the electorate. lou: and i heard reporters today and i read reporters today using, you know, reporting on the claims of russian disinformation as if the number one intelligence officer in this

country, the dni, john ratcliffe, had never said there is no russian disinformation campaign, period. it's stunning, as you say. unprofessional at best, just pure ignorance at the worst. let's turn to tony bobulinski and this president's special guest tonight. you have his files. what are you -- give us an inkling at least of what -- >> yeah. lou: -- you see coming. >> i got a handful a couple of days ago, and i got a more complete dumped today. these are the files that have now been turned over to the senate, to ron johnson. and they make very clear that thed idea around hunter biden's foreign business deals was to trade on his name, to get money from china or any other country because he had access and influence through his father. the early bobulinski files go back to 2015 when joe biden was still in office, and then the deal that joe biden is allegedly a 10% owner of or stakeholder in

occurs right after the vice president gets out. hunter biden and his business partners were looking to trade in on joe biden's name. and most times targeting foreigners who americans should be concerned about; the chinese, the russians, the ukrainians. this story is not a figment of someone's imaginationment it is now documented, and i think tony bobulinski becomes a very powerful witness for this reason: he says he's a democratic donor, he served our country and his family served our country for a long time faithfully in the military. he's got no political axe to grind, but he does have the goods to give us a factual assessment of what the biden family was up to. i think the next few days can be very eventful for the american public and for joe biden. ing. lou: and i want to, if i may, conclude here, john, talking -- i'd like to talk do to you about this disinformation campaign that is being run by the

iranians and the russians. and we had that revelation today. and it turns out that, well, carrying part of their water were rino anti-trump groups including nefarious lincoln project. give us your thoughts on this development. >> what a remarkable statement that someone, a group run by a former mccain operative, steve schmidt, would be -- fall prey to iran. john mccain never would give way to iran the way these guys did. they allowed propaganda into the american public. they furthered it. and this is the problem that we see in america today. we see both political and media elites taking whatever information regardless of factual accuracy and inflicting it on the american public. the lincoln project should apologize, the media who reported on it should apologize, and we should all learn a valuable lesson. let's get our facts straight before we start shooting our

mouth off. i think the american public would benefit if politicians immediately got their facts straight before they started talking. lou: yeah. unfortunately, they're not in the truth business, they're in the political and political destruction business. john solomon, thanks for being with us, we appreciate it. up next here, president trump's enthusiasm soaring. his is soaring and so are all of his supporters' enthusiasm. china joe biden has something of an intensity, excitement gap. we'll have much more on that right after these quick messages. stay with us. i searched and found sofi and applied for a personal loan. i paid off my credit cards and felt a weight come off my shoulders. thank you sofi for a great experience and for helping me get my money right. ♪

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lou: joining us now, former reagan white house political director, fox business political analyst, the savant himself, ed rollins with us. and pulitzer prize-winning columnist for the new york post, fox business contributor, michael goodwin. great to have you both here. >> thank you. lou: let's start with, if we may, the idea that so many news organizations are downplaying, killing, blacking out the story of the biden family corruption. your reaction first, if i may, ed. >> well, i think it's outrageous. i think michael did a fabulous job this morning in the post of laying out another element of it. as a matter of fact, it was such a good piece, i read it at 5:00, i had to rewrite a piece that i did for fox news today, make it

tougher. they're not going to cover it, and i think the key thing here tonight is the president has to sell his own message. he can do some of this, he can go after biden and certainly a little bit, but don't waste the whole 90 minutes doing that. sell his program because he's going to have 75 million people, this is the last big shot at that big an audience. he needs to make it positive because he's done great things for this country. lou: right. michael, your, your piece in the post, you know, another story. what do you make of the new revelations about tony bobulinski, the special best of the president tonight? and it looks like he is a treasure-trove of information not of the biden family liking. >> no. the documents that he's got, i mean, i heard john solomon before, i mean, no one's had a chance to go through all of them yet, but they're all available, and that's e what's amazing. and he's on the record. these are not anonymous sources,

these are not documents that are not publicly available. so this is a watershed moment, lou, i believe, in the history of, you know, sort of the corruption, the international corruption is extraordinary. when you think of all of the things that joe biden was willing to work with the chinese on, all of those democratic mayors and governors that are cited, they were the ones that they were going to approach about infrastructure projects in their cities and states that the chinese could buy -- lou: look -- >> it's an amazing thing for a former vice president to be involved in any such thing like that. lou: yeah. let's be straightforward, this is not about joe biden. this is about the former vice president making a bagman out of his son and using him as a runner apparently for millions of dollars, ed.

and you say there are a lot of topics, and there are, but there are two topic es, and i want to get to this. there are two the topics not on the menu for tonight at the moderator's request. that would be foreign policy and the economy. what kind of idiocy is this to not discuss two of the most important issues and responsibilities any president has? >> well, first and foremost, this should be the last debate that the presidential commission ever has anything to do with it. the two candidates in the future need to sit down and carve out their own rules. this should be a foreign policy debate. always has been on the third debate. the president has to basically go -- again, articulate some of this stuff, basically just don't the entire night. he needs to sell himself and his programs because biden's not going to do it. and i think that's very, very important. people need to be reminded of all that he did and will continue to do, and that's really drawing the line here. lou: hell, if americans don't

understand now that this president is historic, what he has done9 with the economy, what he has done in foreign policy, four nobel prizes, three supreme court justices by next week, michael goodwin, what should -- let's close it out with what you think the president should do tonight in that debate. >> well, look, i basically agree with ed that positive has to be the emphasis. positive about his own accomplishments, positive vision for the second term. and, of course, he he has to mix in other things. the state of the world. i mean, there's a bit of a state of the union speech somewhere in there where you talk about who do you want guiding america in this world given the challenges we face? and, of course, he's got to go after biden on this stuff. there's no, there's no way the media's going to do his work for him -- lou: i mean. >> gotta do it directly himself. lou: and the american people, no

matter what npr, twitter, social media and facebook, of course, say, you know, this really is important, and the public has a right to know. and every one of those news organizations that are denying the public right to know deserve whatever they get. ed rollins, michael goodwin, thanks, and we look forward to a great debate tonight. the corporate left-wing media and big tech doing all it can, of course, to bury the biden family scandal. "lou dobbs tonight"'s john faucet talked with supporters about a media cover-up at a rally featuring donald trump jr. in holidaysberg, pennsylvania. >> do you think the mainstream media is corrupt? >> i would say so, yes. definitely. >> well, everything they say has turned out being lies. they're definitely biased against trump. if you look at the debates that are going on with the people that they pick to be the moderators, this next one that's going to be moderating, she

actually said 2012, christmas with the obamas. >> absolutely. not you guys, i'm sorry. most. most mainstream media is corrupt. >> if that hard drive found had been don jr.'s, do you think the media would actually be covering it? >> it'd be on every news platform big, small. you wouldn't hear the end of it. >> absolutely. the minute they found it. definitely. i hope that it gets out now because i don't know if the left will cover it. >> oh, they'd be losing their minds at this point, you know? it's -- again, it goes back to the censorship thing, you know, which we're seeing in twitter and we're seeing in facebook, and you're seeing they keep up what they want to keep up. >> one of the text messages revealed on hunter's computer, he has said he has to give 50% of his pay to pop. do you follow that practice in your family? >> no, no. i make the money, i keep the money. that's how i operate. >> no, i don't.

my daughters know they need to work. i brought them up with conservative values, you need to work to get what you earn. >> i don't -- no. no. [laughter] >> do you know anybody who does? >> i do not know anybody who does, no. >> does that sound legitimate to you? >> it doesn't sound legitimate to me, no. >> thank you very much, man. >> thank you. lou: i kind of like the fella who says he makes the money, he keeps the money. not in america, i've never run into that deal anywhere. up next, more on the bidens' e pay-for-play scheme in china. we take it up with former cia national security expert fred needs. and a reminder to buy my new book, "the trump century," available now at loudobbsshop.com where patriots shop. lou dobbsloudobbsshop.com. stay with us. it's still warm.

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♪ ♪ lou: on wall street, stocks moving higher. the dow jones industrials up 153 points, the s&p up 18, the nasdaq up 21. volume on the big board picking up a bit to 4.2 billion shares. a reminder to listen to my reports three times a day on the salem radio network. the "lou dobbs tonight" word of the day is kerfuffle which means

a commotion or a fuss, a disturbance especially when caused by conflicting views. and tonight there could be a bit of a kerfuffle. by the way, that -- it's an old scottish word. it is derived from a verb, imagine that, fuffle? have you ever heard that? i hadn't either, and that's why this is the word of the "lou dobbs tonight" broadcast can. joining us now, fred fleitz, president and ceo of the center for security policy, and he's been in a kerfuffle or two during his career. good to have you with us, fred. >> good to be here. lou: let's turn to the big conflict, and that is the inability of the national intelligence apparatus and intelligence community to understand when the dni says there's no russian disinformation campaign, they

look like damn liars when they come out with 50 others and sign their names to a letter saying it's a disinformation campaign. your thoughts. >> well, i mean, the ed is -- the evidence is out now. this clearly is not russian disinformation, nor did russia have anything to do with it. you might wonder why did these former intelligence officers say that. the throw out this allegation that was obviously false concerning 2016. the answer is fairly obvious, it works. the media will happily report any russia-related allegation that hurts president trump. and it just shows a lack of ethics of these people, that they would say such a thing. lou: you're such a nice guy, fred. [laughter] the president calls them fake news. they're lying s.o.b.s, can we put it that way? the fact of the matter is that every one of those associated with that letter and that statement are lying s.o.b.s, and we have to be plain spoken about it. there is no room here for

mannered responses and quaint civility. this is nonsense, and it is destroying the republic, and we've got to stop it. i think it's that urgent, don't you? >> i think it is, but, you know, something else it did, the intelligence community's reputation is in trouble right now because of the way intelligence was weaponized against president trump in 2016 during a campaign and throughout his presidency. i think they're on thin ice. and not just with president trump, with a lot of republicans. and when so many former intelligence officers come out and just throw, well, russia did it out to discredit this allegation with absolutely no evidence, they have done severe damage to an institution, the intelligence profession, that was already in trouble. lou: well, with any luck at all, with any luck at all they will destroy those organizations. it's time to end the fbi. it is thoroughly and per vaseoffly corrupt. pervasively corrupt. political corruption has overwhelmed the institution. you can't find anyone, you know,

just at random walking with you on the street that respects the fbi for anything it's done in this country in the last, i don't know, three, four years. we know what they've been doing. they've been focusing on overthrowing a president, for crying out loud, and there hasn't been a single whistle blower step forward. and there hasn't been a single one of the current top officialdom at the fbi and justice department have moved to hold those guilty responsible. i mean, those are the facts, are they notsome. >> well, look, i'm a little more hopeful -- lou: are they not? >> -- concerning the fbi and other organizations. i'm hopeful in the second alternative there will be a massive house cleaning that the president will put people in there that will force these law enforcement intelligence officers to do their jobs and to keep politics out of their jobs. and i think the president's prepared to do that. i don't want to throw out these organizations just yet. i think they can be saved. lou: yeah. well, you may think so.

i have to respectfully disagree. i mean, this is really serious now, and i think we're going into an election on november 3rd, and people are being denied the right no know what -- to know what their government is doing, they're being served up with more disinformation by not only the former c ia and -- cia and ndi chiefs, i mean, this is outrageous, what we're watching. and it is a clear effort on the part of the obama era intelligence chiefs to subvert a president and overthrow him. and they persist even as we approach the election. the american people are not this stupid, and the radical left in this country believes they are the, and the deep state, obviously. i hope that they're not proved right. let's turn to the biden scandal, fred, very quickly. why in the world are we watching this wall come up around the

truth and deny it to the mesh people about -- to the american people about what this former vice president did with his son who he treated like a common runner for a mob to bring in money, to split up the money? it's outrageous. >> well, my biggest concern is that the chinese government were investing in joe biden even after he left office because they thought he'd be a potential president. i heard everything that you said, but these allegations in 2017, a 10% stake the in a chinese energy company, interest-free loans, if those are true, the chinese government was investing in joe biden thinking he would run for president in 2020. i'm very concerned about that. lou: they were not only investing in him, they were, in fact, aligning with him. and as he is talking about china's not a, an enemy, it's a competitor. and a fine, fine country.

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mcdaniel. a reminder to follow me on twitter and @loudobbs and like me on facebook and at instagram @loudobbstonight. thanks for being with us. we'll see you shortly. elizabeth: tonight the final presidential debate in nashville, tennessee, it is just a few hours away. you're looking at a live shot of the scene. president trump, joe biden, making their closing arguments in one of the most unusual elections in u.s. history. covid-19, the new hunter biden bombshell emails and text messages, national security, china, russia, iran will likely light up the last debate. with us tonight on this, the rest of the day's top stories, lara trump, congressman devin nunes, ric grenell along with congressman james comer, charles hurt, white house spokesperson