dinner with friends, some relaxation. stuart: i am taking my daughter out for her birthday tomorrow. lunch, of course. i can't stay up til dinner time. but that's what i'm doing. [laughter] it's going to be a dynamite weekend. we had a good time today. thanks for watch, everybody. we really appreciate it. neil, it's yours. neil: stuart, thank you very much. we've got a bit of a selloff, a lot of people wondering about what's going to happen with stimulus, whether it's going to materialize or not. it's getting a little long in the tooth, but we are going to watch that. we're also going to get the latest on what the senator will do, maybe not do, senator bill cassidy will be joining us. then we're going to hear from harold hamm, executive chairman of continental resources, what he made of what could have been the most telling faux pas in a presidential debate since gerald ford, 1976, insisted eastern europe wasn't under soviet.com nation. it was the joe biden remarks about phasing out the oil

industry. here's why you know it's a big deal, the biden campaign has been busy trying to clarify that position. almost immediately after the debate last night and repeatedly today. we'll give you the latest on all of that. meanwhile, let's go to hillary vaughn on the fallout the day after. hillary. >> reporter: hey, neil. well, president trump, as promised, gave democratic nominee joe biden a chance to set the record straight whether or not he had any involvement with his son's so-called shady overseas business deals. >> i think you have to clean it up and talk to the american people. maybe you can do it right now. >> i have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life. i have not taken a single penny from any country whatsoever. ever. >> reporter: trump invite -- and biden talked economics, giving voters a real contrast in

their policy differences for how they would help businesses and workers. >> helping small businesses when you're forcing wages, what's going to happen and what's been proven to happen is when you do that, these small businesses tour many of their employees. >> there is no evidence that when you raise the minimum wage, businesses go out of business. as that is simply not true. >> you haven't ruled out more shutdowns? >> no, i'm not shutting down today, but there are -- look, you need standards. if you have a restaurant, you need to have plexiglas dividers so people cannot infect one another. >> putting up plexiglas is unbelievably expensive, and it's not the answer. i mean, you're going to sit there in a cubicle wrapped around with plastic? it's -- these are businesses that are dying, joe. >> reporter: and, neil, the mute button did get used last night, and it seemed to work. things were pretty calm on stage, but maybe they were too calm because at one point biden was looking at his watch during the debate to see what time it

is. but following this debate, voting is already underway, and vice president mike pence actually cast his ballot voting for himself and president trump today in indianapolis, and president trump will vote early as well in florida over the weekend. neil? neil: all right. funny if, you know, it turns out that pence was voting for, like, biden/kamala harris. oh, my god, whatdid i do? hillary vaughn are, thank you very much. great job yesterday, by the way, and through today. i appreciate it, hillary. let's go to bob cusack, the hill editor-in-chief. i was thinking when you were coming today, bob, about the fact that nearly 15 million americans have already voted, that we have precious few who were still undecided, so given the fact that this was a pretty solid debate, i think people would agree to that, certainly better than the first one, is there an opportunity for the to take advantage of that, or is it in the battleground states, particularly pennsylvania with the comments that joe biden made

about phasing out the oil industry, is that where it will make a difference? >> well, neil, the president needs to make a comeback, and i think republicans are saying it started last night. both sides basically are breathing a sigh of releaf. democrats because joe biden doesn't have to debate anymore, and because president trump did a lot better than the first debate. pennsylvania and florida are key. you're going to hear a lot about fracking, joe biden's comment about oil which some vulnerable democrats who are friendly to the oil industry, they're distancing themselves. joe biden still has the edge. i think donald trump is going to have to really have a strong closing week and a half. but without a doubt, his debate performance last night was so much better, and republicans are happy about it. neil: you know what i kept thinking, bob, if this donald trump had shown up for the first debate, it might be a totally different equation now. we don't know, but it was that stark, you know? >> it really was. and the first debate, arguably,

is the most important. but politics is all about comebacks, and, you know, we adopt know. we don't know if the polls are right. certainly, the polls were wrong in 2016, and that's what's catapulting, i think, and giving the president some hope here. he's doing a lot of rallies, joe biden is not, and a lot of this is the 2016 playbook. will it work in 2020? we shall see. neil: you know, four years ago when you and i were talking, there was all this talk is there maybe an unheralded or unseen, quiet trump vote? that's been put on steroids now because a lot of people believe with all the controversies and dust-ups and what happens to people if they have a trump sign or a trump bumper sticker that there could be many, many more quiet supporters of trump than we know. but i'm wondering, i mean, do pollsters factor that in at least better than they were trying to do four years ago, or are some of these polls in some of the states would be beyond the margin of error, but what do

you think of all that? >> well, the one thing is, is that compared to 2016 president trump has a grip on the party like he did not have back then. his base is much stronger than it was back then. now, his numbers with dependents are not as strong. as far as the polling, i mean, frank luntz, a leading republican pollster, said if the pollsters get it wrong now, or the industry's going to have to fold. but there's going to be a lot of polls between now and november 3rd, and we've seen -- we saw the race in 2016 shift, so you just never know. biden has the advantage, but you never know. neil: if stimulus doesn't materialize -- and later on we'll be talking to senator bill cassidy about that -- i know they're working overtime, nancy pelosi, steve mnuchin if you believe, at least, some of these reports to put something together, the odds of it before election day, i cannot imagine they're good. >> no, way less than 10%. just because of timing. mitch mcconnell, he does not want to be jammed by nancy pelosi, he's a little concerned

about that. but they just have next week, and what's that about and this weekend, confirming amy coney barrett. the senate is a very slow moving operation. is a covid bill going to pass? yes. is it going to happen before november 3rd? no. neil: bob cusack, great catching up with you, my friend. the hill editor-in-chief, bob cusack, in washington. we told you a little bit about the dust-up over what could be a gerald ford-like mistake. remember 1976 when he told jimmy carter that there is no soviet.com nation in eastern -- domination in eastern europe? that, many argue, cost him the election or at least slowed his momentum right before the election, and jimmy carter went on to win. now, it's a very different sort of analogy here. but when joe biden talked about phasing out the oil industry, was it an up -- an unforced error? take a look at how they're handling it since. >> when my mom would get in the car when there was a first frost

to drive me to school, turn on the windshield wipers, there'd be an oil slick on the window. the fact is those front-line communities, doesn't matter what you're paying them, it matters how you keep them safe, what do you do, and you impose restrictions on the pollutants coming out of those fence-line communities. >> okay. i have one final -- >> would he close down the oil industry? would you close down the oil industry? >> by the way, or i would transition from the oil industry, yes. >> oh, that's a bug statement. >> it is a big i statement. because i would -- >> why would you do that? >> because the oil industry pollutes significantly. >> really clear about this, let's be really clear about this. joe biden is not going to ban fracking. he is going to deal with the oil subsidies, but that's -- you know, or the president likes to put everything out of context. let's be clear, what joe was talking about was banning subsidies, but he will not ban fracking in america. neil:ing all right.

biden juxtaposes a little differently than originally stated last night. remember, what joe biden would say, eventually phase out the oil industry. there's no way of misinterpreting what his intent was and getting rid of their subsidies. harold hamm, no doubt, caught wind of that. he joins us. harold, very good to have you. the fact that joe biden and kamala harris are trying to clarify this on top of their inconsistent views on fracking, the vice president now likes to point out i'm against fracking on public lands, i've always been open to it elsewhere, but this view on the oil situation, the president immediately seized on the fact, did you hear that, pennsylvania, did you hear that, oklahoma, did you hear that, texas. what do you think of all of this? >> well, good morning, neil. you know, all this is relative, for sure. i personally believe that finally joe biden put the final

nail in his coffin. and that's how big this is. it's amazing that you brought up 1976. all you have to do look at joe biden's record. in 1978 he voted for jimmy carter's fuel use act which mandated 100% use of coal and eliminated the possibility of using natural gas. and that's what we have around the world. if there's problems with the environment, joe biden caused it. and that technology was taken, first of all, in the united states and now around the world. we've got china that's putting 300 of these coal-fired generation plants in this year. so that's what we have. and india, pakistan, you name it, i thailand, we've got 300 of them going in. and they want to point at somebody else, oil and gas on the, you know, for co2?

he caused it in 1978. is so let's talk about sub is is is -- subsidies. we don't have subsidies in oil and gas. they've given subsidies to wind and solar, and joe biden's the one that did it, you know? it's amazing, they talk about subsidies. we don't have subsidies. i've drilled my share of i dry holes, and nobody ever paid me a do you mean. so that's not what happens. we don't have subsidies. we're not polluters -- neil: but maybe -- [inaudible conversations] >> our industry is very clean. neil: i'm sorry. do you think he was talking about there's a way to encourage fracking in the early days, the role the federal government would play? it seems like a stretch, but his view on fracking like his view on fossil files, he's cleary not a fan. -- clearly not a fan. barack obama was not a fan, didn't i think it was our future. you know that his goal, ultimately, is this zero emissions world, get rid of this technology, we don't need it. but fracking has completely

changed everything. you're a pioneer of it. we're now the largest energy producer on the planet. so if we dial that back, i'm just wondering, or i think you're on record as saying we could be looking at $6 gas in a biden administration. this wasn't the sole reason i why, but that it would be very unfriendly to the industry. could you exing plan that? explain that? >> first of all, they can't even get the terminology right. flare stimulation's been around -- fracture stimulation's been around 60 years. that's one of the first jobs i ever had in the industry, you know, servicing those fracture stimulation crews. so that's been around forever. what changed everything was drilling, putting long laterals in this tight rock that we have so prevalent in america. so we've created something fantastic here. they can't stand it. they've been i trying to put us

out of business for 60 years. so that's where joe biden comes from, and he got caught last night. he got caught. he had to tell the truth. they've been trying to put us out of business. let's take permitting. all this is slight of hand. you know, what they intend to do is stop permitting on federal lands. my goodness, federal lands, wyoming, that's what you have out there. you know? let's talk about the permian. new mexico, delaware basin, the permian, that's what you have. that's 25% of u.s. production. so it's all slight of hand. but last night he got caught. and the people in pennsylvania, my goodness, wake up. he wants to put you out of business. so, yes, it did rz nate, and donald trump made a good point of it. he did a great job last night. neil: you know, harold, that was

the first thing the president seized on reminding us, you okay with that, texas? you okay with that, pennsylvania? you okay with that, oklahoma? let's take it as a given despite tightening polls, the president wins texas regardless, oklahoma a gimme, i think. but pennsylvania, where they're separated by just a few points, that faux pas, whatever you want to call it, could cost joe biden those 20 electoral votes. that could be a game-changer. has it changed your posture or other big backers of the to give some more money to keep that momentum going? where are you on this? >> well, sure, it should. and it's not just pennsylvania. it's also wisconsin, it's also minnesota -- neil: sure. >> i mean, those white premium sand mines up there, you know, a lot of other states, you know, depend on our industry. we're talking 19 million jobs here. you know? all the people that depend on oil and gas in america.

we've lowered emissions down to 1977 standards with plain-burning natural gas that we're exporting around the world. i mean, we're doing our part. neil: so, harold, the president, you know, is down on in terms of the financing for his campaign. i think going into these final couple of weeks, not even, joe biden apparently has about $100 million more in the bank than the president. have you, i know you're a contributor and a backer of the president. have you or some of your friends and like-minded trump supporters said, all right, we'll give more? we'll see what we can do to sort of get this momentum still more of that? >> well, i'm glad you brought that up, neil. we've talked to the campaign today, and yesterday was the single best day ever for donald trump's campaign fundraising. so people were listening, people

were tuned in. yesterday was the single biggest day of fundraising. neil: and for you? would you give more? >> sure, i'm going to give more. you know, we need to support what's going on for america. it's all about consumers. you know, let's think about what it means. today i was on a talk show in north dakota, and a farmer called in, and he said think about what it means for production of food. you know, fertilizer is made from methane. and if we're going to do away with oil and gas, that's going to double the cost to farmers, and we're going to produce half as much food. i mean, it doesn't stop, neil. it goes on and on and on. and people need to consider all the ramifications of what joe biden wants to do.

neil: harold, you're a good read of the political scene as well being a savvy businessman, multibillionaire doing what you do, but i'd be curious what you make of the debate reviewers who were saying if this donald trump who showed up last night was the same guy who could have done that a few weeksing ago, it'd be a very different race. do you think time is of the essence with the president? given the fact that so many have already voted, close to 50 million, and that there's not a lot of wiggle room here, this might be too little too late? what do you think? >> no, it's -- that's -- donald trump last night was very focused, and, you know, it's hard when the opposition is name-calling you. i mean, he had 15 names in that first debate that he called our president of the united states. i mean, everything from a liar

to a clown to fool, you name it. and, you know, it's hard -- neil: yeah, yeah. >> yeah, it was a better forum last night finally. and thank the news service for doing a much better job than it did that first go around. neil: real quickly, the president saws joe biden gets in, you might as well kiss your 401(k) good-bye. leaving aside what you were saying the impact on the energy industry, fracking and all the rest, what do you think of that? what it would mean for the market? the president's clear indication is kiss it all good-bye. what do you think? >> well, first of all, you know, the president has been a friend to peace and prosperity in this country, and you can expect just the opposite if joe biden gets in. i mean, it's going to plunge the country into a depression. that's exactly what we're headed. so people need to think about that. we're going to go back to an era

of scarcity instead of abundance. i mean, that's where this guy comes from. i talked about $6 gasoline becoming a real possibility, and this is all about americans. it's all about consumers. this thing's bigger than us. you know, we need to think about our country. we need to think about what it means to america and american consumers. you know, that's what we're talking about, neil. it's bigger than all of us. neil: so when you did say the $6 gasoline, i just want to be clear, that would happen why? because a biden administration would put up all sorts of new environmental rules and restrictions, move away from fossil fuels, what brings you to that $6 -- >> well, it's easy. we just ree accelerate to what they were doing -- revert to what they were doing when he and obama were in office. it's death by a thousand cuts. it's all the regulations that they pile on runs the cost up to

us as producers. it eliminates supply and all the things that happen to run costs up. you eliminate supply, costs are going to go up. so i, frankly, have got a lot of reserves. i price the best commodity, but it's bigger than me. you have to think about america and where it takes us. if it's not produced here, you know, with the cleanest technology that we have in the world, where's it going to be produced? you know, back in with rogue nations? and let me tell you, opec knows how to run the price up. so that's what we'll be left with. neil: harold hamm, a real pleasure. thank you very much, continental resources founder and executive. he was understanding the importance of fracking when nobody was. most people had no idea what the

whole technology was about. -way ahead of that curve -- he was way ahead of that curve and appreciates the i norm few of what was said in the debate last night. the implication of joe biden's comments in key battleground states that have some saying the game changed last night now. more after this. ♪ ♪ look limu! someone out there needs help customizing their car insurance with liberty mutual, so they only pay for what they need. false alarm. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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pfizer, johnson & johnson and eli lilly. so this criticism of the president, that he might have jumped the gun, that might have been a bit premature. not the president, but the criticism that he dud jump the gun. anyway, gerri willis on this latest race and where things stand on a vaccine. hey, gerri. >> hey, neil. that's right. so delivering hundreds of millions of doses of a coronavirus vaccine, it's an overwhelming job that a logistics industry insider describes as the berlin airlift of their generation. but pfizer is breaking the mold, and they are slashing middlemen and developing their own delivery system in an unprecedented response. pfizer's vaccine is still in late stage trials, but with emergency fda approval, could be ready for use at the end of november. and behind the scenes pfizer has been laying the groundwork for the mammoth $2 billion logistical effort of distributing it. take a look at this. it all starts here in these

giant freezers at pfizer's kalamazoo facility. the vaccine has to be kept in subzero temperatures for it to remain effective, making the transit process tricky and time-sensitive. so pfizer has developed its own thermal shipping cases known as cool boxes that can hold up to 5,000 doses of the vaccine and stay cold for up to 10 dies. they also come -- days. they also come i equipped with gps trackers, and they monitor location and temperature levels. the boxes will leave the freezers at the plant on trucks capable of moving more than 7 million doses per day at the airport. pfizer has enlisted the help of fedex, ups, dhl cargo planes to transport the vaccine to airports around the world. from there the carriers will then deliver the doses to hospitals, clinics and other vaccine sites. now ideally, the total run time for this operation, believe it or not, just three days, and

that, of course, doesn't leave a lot of room for human error. and i can tell you that the folks at pfizer, they believe this is the biggest job they've ever had in terms of delivering a vaccine, so they've cut out the middlemen, and they're spending literally billions of dollars on this effort. neil, back to you. neil: gerri willis, thank you very, very very much for that. even the most unusual of companies are pitching in right now to help folks out dealing with the pandemic, but i do think what anheuser-busch is doing is certainly among the more unique. it's using a lot of its facility and breweries to produce hand sanitizer. of it's a little bit more complicated than that, but in the case of anheuser-busch right now, it's donating better than 375,000 ounces of sanitizer to polling stations and what they're going to be doing about that. the company, the usa chairman will be joining us shortly on

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♪ neil: all right, we're shortly going to go to the white house, and the president's commenting on what appears to be a new peace deal broken between the i sudan and israel. it would follow on the heels of united arab emirates and bahrain. he's also taking questions post the debate a last night, his campaign travels and the rest. but ahead of that, i want to go to michelle, the anheuser-busch u.s. ceo. sometimes we focus on a lot of the biotech companies, drug companies and what they're coming up with to deal with the pandemic, and in anheiser's case they're donating about 375,000 ounces of sanitizerrer to polling stations so people can feel safe and all of that. and they've used a hot of their,

you know -- a lot of their, you know, facilities to produce it. the same facilities that turn out that wonderful beer. he is with us right now. michelle, very good to have you. could you explain how this works and where a lot of this stuff is going? >> thanks for having me. very early on in the pandemic when we saw everything shipping and what we saw that was happening in other parts of the globe, we got organized around three very simple principles for us here in the operation in the united states that was safety of our people, business continuity, so how could we support our teams and our partners to maintain their business and also impact and support. in this case anheuser-busch has a long history in supporting and interacting with our communities, and we thought that would be only natural to come again and be part of the

solution. the first thing that we did was partnering with american red cross, and we help them with our partnership. and from this on, we -- from there on, we start producing a very hot commodity at that point in time which was alcohol gel and started doing distribution nationally for that. and we are cull culminating nowh the donation for the -- [inaudible] where the elections will take place. neil you know, i remember at the beginning of the pandemic, my immediate thought was how the heck do you retrofit a brewery that turns out beer to do something like this? sanitizer? could you explain that to me? was it a huge switch to do this, or how did that all go down? >> yeah, we have done several different ways. if you remember, we always do these with water as well. so we stopped brewing beer, and

then we -- but in this case we have worked a little bit more with some licenses. but we, at the end of the day brewing is a process of transforming your raw material and your grains in alcohol. and in some cases, we have, for example, beer without alcohol that we de-alcoholize, so we could use that alcohol to produce sanitizer. in other mawses we had to -- places we had to learn how to do, get all the licenses and then start the production. our team very excited when our communities because at the end of the day we have more than 100 facilities everywhere in the united states, and we work very closely with the communities that we serve. and they were there to overcome the challenge, and we put together a beautiful initiative. neil: yeah. i remember the sanitizer, that was in short supply, certainly

the sanitizer when the pandemic started, and you've just opened up a whole new supply. very interesting. michel, thank you very much for taking the time, u.s. anheuser-busch ceo. as he was finishing up, we're getting a statement this to us now from the president. he's taking questions from reporters after announcing this apparent peace agreement between sudan and us israel. let's listen in. >> yeah, no, i think it's a terrific thing. it should beed completed pretty soon -- be completed pretty soon. >> if, expand on -- [inaudible] >> well, i think ultimately, ron, maybe we'll become a member of this whole thing, if you want to really know the truth. look, in the end you're going to have everybody together with the united states. and beyond the united states you'll have other major powers involved and with it, not have to be signed into it because it's a region. and i could see iran -- look,

someday i'd love to help iran. i'd love to get iran back on track. their gdp went down 27%. they've gone from a rich country to a poor country in a period of three years. and i'd love to get them back on track. they just can't have nuclear weapons. nuclear weapons, and it's always death to israel. that's all they shout is death to israel. so they can't have nuclear weapons, but they should be a great nation. they're great people. i know so many iranians, i have a lot of iranian friends, and it should be a great nation. and we want it e to be a great nation, but we can't have nuclear weapons. and i could see iran ultimately, it sounding right now it doesn't sound like something that would happen, but i see it happening that, ultimately, they'll all be one unified family. it'll be an amazing thing. probably has never happened in the middle east because the middle east is known for conflict and fighting. [inaudible conversations] >> -- normalization and --

[inaudible] >> no, but i think that it's moving along, that process is moving along are. it's a good process. we've had an incredible relationship long term. we've never had a dispute with uae. they've always been on our side, and that process is moving along i think, hopefully, rapidly. [inaudible conversations] >> [inaudible] could you speak a little bit about how -- [inaudible] the dynamics of the -- [inaudible] >> which plans? >> [inaudible] >> the dam, you said? the dam -- [inaudible] >> mr. president -- [inaudible] >> we've been working with sudan for as long as i've been part of the administration to address this issue of state-sponsored terrorism. they did all the things that they needed to do. these two leaders of sudan did all the right things. we now have a civilian-led government inside of sudan, so

the rationale no longer makes sense. we also wanted to make sure that victims of that terror had compensation, so we've now accounted for that, $335 million will go to the victims from those terror attacks. but sudan as has fully complied with them. their leaders have done great work. we want them to be successful, so it's completely appropriate that we would lift this. this will also be something that will help the sudanese people and government. you'll see trade not only between israel and sudan, between the united states and sudan as well. >> sudan has, i sudan has great potential on trade and other things. i mean, they really do. it could be a very, very successful, wonderful country, and i think it will be. it's been hampered by what's going on in the world. >> [inaudible] israel as well as -- >> sure. they're connected in the seasons that the sudanese leadership makes sensuous they both have one thing in common, they make sense with the sudanese people to build up their economy, to

create democratic institutions, all the things the sudanese people have been demanding. they're connected in the sense the sudanese leadership is now driving towards a really good outcome and improved life for the people of sudan and, we think, for the broader region of north africa as well. >> they've been incredible leaders, i will say, they have been incredible leaders. you have great leadership now, which you haven't had in the past. >> -- are you visiting any sort of meetings near washington -- [inaudible] and then i was just curious, what's it like to try to do something like this, also campaign -- [laughter] >> my life -- [laughter] do i have a choice? this is all things i've been working on and then the campaign. the campaign begins and, you know, i think last night was very, very successful. gotten great reviews, great polls, great everything. 91% to 9, that's good. but, no, it was an exciting

night. had a tremendous audience, i understand. bigger than they even thought. and it was certainly an exciting night. but i have to, you know, this is my day job. [laughter] very important. >> so -- [inaudible] >> we will have them along with some other countries that you will be hearing about coming. probably simultaneously. and then, ultimately, we're going to have a big reunion at the end where everybody's here, and everybody's going to be signed, and we expect that saudi arabia will be one of those countries. and highly respected, the king and the crown prince, they're all just highly respected in the middle east. mohamed from uae, highly, very highly respected, a warrior. he's really a great warrior. so they'll all come together. we'll have a big, beautiful party at the end, okay? and you'll be there. [laughter] okay. anybody else have a question? [inaudible conversations] >> -- and everybody was watching the debate last night. do you think much more -- you

seemed much more calm and measured at the podium. how much of that was you -- [inaudible] strategy or was -- [inaudible] both of you had -- you didn't need to jump out -- [inaudible] >> i think the other's more effective in terms of business and life. the first one. i thought i did great. there were certain groups of very aggressive people that loved the first debate. but i think this was better. this is, obviously, a more popular way of doing it. and, you know, i wanted to play by the rules. i felt very strongly about it. it's two different styles. i'm able to do different styles if i have to, but this seemed to be more popular. >> would you do another debate? >> yeah, but i don't think there's any reason. i think we're leading in a lot of states that you don't know about. your pollsters may be the worst there are, by the way. >> [inaudible] >> i always take responsibility, and i've done a great job, and the people around me have done a great job just like these people

have done a great job. the pandemic people, what they've done for ventilators and for equipment and for stocking governors that had absolutely nothing, they had nothing on their shelves and we stocked them. and those governors, if they're honest, they'll tell you we've done the best jobs. i'veed had governors say it's one of the best jobs anybody's ever did on anything, what we did. we made a lot of governors look good. they didn't have anything. they didn't have ventilators, gowns, masks or goggles, anything. and we got 'em. and think of it, ventilators are very tough. not one person with all of this going on, not one person who needed a ventilator didn't get it. and that's very untrue in other countries. in other countries very few people were able to get -- we're now supplying ventilators to many other countries because they're veried hard to make. you know, they're very complex, very hard to make, very 'em expensive. no, i think we've done a great job.

[inaudible conversations] >> -- [inaudible] >> i think we can, sure. i think we can. go ahead, steve. >> the president's been very clear and his instructions to me that if we can get the right deal, we're going to do that. we've been speaking to the speaker. i would say we've offered compromises. the speaker, on a number of issues, is still dug in. if she wants to compromise, there will be a deal. but we've made lots of progress and lots of areas, but there's still some significant differences that we're working -- >> i mean, one of the big differences, and i said it last night loud and clear, she wants to bail out poorly-run democrat states. they're poorly run both in terms of crime and in terms of economics. and we just don't want that. we want covid relief. but she wants to bail out poorly-run democrat states, and that's a problem because you're talking about tremendous amounts of money. and we don't want to reward areas of our country who have not done a great job.

and a lot of those areas have not done a good job on medical and covid, frankly. if you look at new york and if you look at some others, it's been, it's been rough. it's been very rough. but we don't want to do that. now, we're talking, and we'll see what happens. but at this moment i would say that -- i actually think nancy would rather wait until after the election. she thinks it's a good point for the election, but i think it's against her because the american people know it's her that's stopping the money going to them. so, you know, i really believe it. i think she views it as a good election point, perhaps. you know, good for november 3rd. i'd like to see the people get the money. i don't think she wants the people to get the money before the election. i don't think that's a good point for her. but we want the people to get the money. it wasn't their fault, it was china's fault. it was china's fault. the plague came in from china. okay? and that's about -- >> [inaudible] >> no, no, no, that's enough.

thank you. four questions -- [inaudible conversations] >> yes, we're talking, we're talking about it. we're working with armenia. we have a very good relationship with armenia. very good people. they're so dedicated. they're inned credible people, and we'll see what happens. >> [inaudible] >> i don't want to say, but we will see what happens. i think really good progress is made, being made with respect to that. armenia is -- we have a lot of people living in this country from armenia, originally from armenia, and they're great people. and we're going to help them. okay? >> [inaudible] you mentioned a potential scenario that iran would be part of the peace deal. >> i think at the end iran would, yeah, i could see that. i could see that. could you see that? >> [inaudible] >> yeah, sure, go ahead. >> netanyahu -- [inaudible] >> he's got a mask on. [laughter] so i don't know if you can hear him, but he wants to know about

what you think, what you gentlemen think about, as i said, when it's all finished up and everybody's in the deal, i said that i wouldn't be surprised to see iran be very friendly also. you'll have everybody unified, and i think that iran will be in some way involved. and what do you think about that? >> well, i was beginning to saw saw -- to say when i spoke to my colleagues, i didn't say i was opposed to any deal, i said i was opposed to that deal because -- [inaudible] restrictions from iran and not conditioning any change, require any change in behavior from iran. so iran, essentially, increased its aggression after the deal rather than reduce it. enrichment of you uranium for ac bombs, all sorts of things in the region. so i think that if a new deal is offered -- and that's what i actually said when i spoke to the u.s. congress -- a different

deal was offered, i think that will only happen if iran faces, ill say, faces strong opposition to its aggression, the kind that has been -- [inaudible] if you're soft on iran, you're not going to -- [inaudible] ing if you're strong, prevented from nuclear weapons, then i think they might come around to a better deal, a better deal, a real deal, something that -- [inaudible] but so far that's not been available. >> but everybody's unified, and this is all done and it won't be a long period of time, iran will be in some way involved. if not part of the deal, they'll be, they'll be very happy. and you know what? they're tired to of fighting to. they're tired of what's going on. those are great people, and they want an end to it. they want an end to it. in fact, if we one the election,

they don't want me to say when, but i always say if. right? if we we win the election, one of the first calls i'll get will be from iran. let's make a deal. one of the first calls i'll get. they don't want me to win, and russia doesn't want me to win either. you know what's unique about those two countries, i think both know i'm going to win. and that's okay. but i think we're going to win. i think if you start looking at what's happening at these states and the votes that are coming in and the a amount of votes that are coming in and the great red wave hasn't hit yet, but it's a few days. it's going to be a great red wave like you've never seen before. you're going to have a wave like you've never seen before. it's going to be all red. and it's going to be a thing of beauty. have a good time, everybody. [applause]

neil: all right. the president talking up a deal that was just forged between -- involving the united states overseas, between israel and the sudan. now it all seems to fall together. less than a week ago we had taken sudan off our terrorism sponsor list, and that apparently paved the way for this agreement. more telling and why you can see the market's down a little bit right now, about 154 points, is the president -- and by extension, steve mnuchin, his treasury secretary, seemingly putting cold water on the stimulus talks. right now the problem, they say, the nancy pelosi. she's still insisting on aid for cities and even though that had nothing to do with the pandemic and everything to do with bailing them out, it's been a sort of age-old quandary here about how much to help cities and states that had problems before all of this. but the president putting a

damper, certainly, on anything getting done before the election. so we'll be monitoring the paulout from -- fallout from that. the president will be campaigning in florida, at least two stops in the sunshine state. when we come back and we talk about the real estate industry, who better to go with than the guy behind million dollar listing on bravo. remember that? he has since become a brand, and in doing so, he gives a very unique take on cities. everyone says they're going to hell in a hand basket, people will never go back to cities, but he's here to say you might want to dial that pessimism back. what he sees happening in the big cities like new york after this. ♪ ♪ this is decision tech. find a stock based on your interests or what's trending. get real-time insights in your customized view of the market. it's smarter trading technology for smarter trading decisions. fidelity.

neil: i know, we know it's been a tough time for major cities and a lot of people post the pandemic are looking at life was pretty good, not having to be in big cities like manhattan, so they have opted out which is why you see a surge in supplies available of apartments, record numbers the likes of which we have not seen in close the a decade. then a new report out that shows rents are plummeting in manhattan and brooklyn and queens, some of them seeing the biggest drop in at least nine years. so you would hear that, look at that and say man, oh, man, this must be the death knell for big cities, particularly the big apple. my next guest here to say don't

quite believe all that negative hype. ryan sirhan, his name, you recognize him from bravo's "billion dollar listing." he's doing quite well. a good read of what's happening in the big cities. very good to have you back. i'm curious what you make of those doom and gloom reports. you would think no one wants to be certainly in new york anymore and that's why rents are tumbling and that's why record number of offerings are sitting. what do you think of that? >> you know, when reports like that come out, at the first moment, you get a little bit nervous because you actually start to take them seriously. but then you read into them for what they are, and they are just reports, right, it's just news, and it's not true. it's not totally untrue. there's just no facts yet to show that there's been a mass exodus from any city. what we have seen, though, is that there are temporary moves. temporary moves in major cities

like new york city are up almost 30% year over year, and that's to be expected. there's a pandemic. we were in quarantine, people didn't want to be cooped up in the city and that's okay. but you know, if everybody starts writing about in january that everyone's going back to the gym, so there's a fitness craze, the whole world is getting fit, it's not a movement. it's because it's a new year's resolution and it's temporary. neil: so what about, forget about apartment rentals and the like. what about high end real estate? you hear this stuff about, you know, expensive penthouses that just sort of hang on the market and they're having their prices slashed. what's really happening? you're right there. you're mr. luxury himself. what can you tell us? what do you see? >> it's actually been one of the most robust buyers' markets i have ever been involved in in my career, which is why we just decided to start our own real estate brokerage company 22 days ago. we just started our own firm

because it is probably the best time to buy real estate in new york in what might be the next decade, especially in the high end. i mean, year over year, last week, there are only five less contracts signed in new york city that are over $4 million. so the high end market is very very robust. we just signed a contract for a $30 million penthouse in soho, we have offers out multiple that are all over $20 million. they are at discounts from where pricing was two to five years ago, but these buyers are coming back in full force in a way that i haven't seen in the last two years, because of all these reports. so i actually, you know, i'm okay with the media coming out and talking about it. neil: who are the buyers? we used to hear the russians, the chinese, the brazilians. who are these buyers who are showing interest? >> mostly, they are americans. they are domestic. they are people who are based in new york, and who see this as an

amazing opportunity and to know not to bet against new york city, and that if they can get something for a solid discount off ask compared to where it was in february, that's a pretty good deal and most of the buyers, to be honest, were purchasing over $10 million in new york city right now, are actually taking financing because interest rates are the lowest they have been in forever. they are hovering right around 3%. you can get really, really, really cheap money right now. neil: you know, i'm wondering what the short-term versus the long-term. especially when you hear broadway is delaying shows until at least the middle of next year, you know. so many businesses have pulled plans to lease or renew leases or certainly at their current rate, their corporate leases on existing facilities. they are telling their workers you can continue to work from home, you know, indefinitely, at least through the middle of next year. does that delay then the

comeback for, you know, new york city real estate in general? >> i think there will be a prolonged delay in the numbers that we saw from let's say 2014 to 2015, because at the end of the day it's all about location, location, location. people do come to new york city for work, for school, for broadway, for their restaurants and if a lot of that is up in the air, that's what we are seeing these temporary moves from. butt a lot of people didn't sped a lot of money over the last five years. they have been making so much money in the market, there's been a fear of missing out, so when they got locked inside their own home, especially if they are in small apartments in new york city, they went and spent that money either on other luxury goods or on a second home outside of manhattan. so that's really, really what we're seeing. but it's an amazing time to buy real estate in new york now. the deals we're doing with these buyers are people saying to me ryan, you know, i didn't have the money that i have now in

2009 and i wish i did, because i had a lot of friends who have double or tripled their money on their real estate investment they made in new york city by buying then and so let's scoop something up really, really quick. neil: taxes are going to have to go up. regardless of the federal election, we do know that new york right now is about, what, $60 billion shy of revenues. something will have to go up. people see that, hear that, talk about the crime and some of the problems associated with it, they hold off. are these realistic concerns, especially with people saying all right, let's say a biden administration comes in, you know, top rate goes up, a lot of the ancillary investment related taxes, capital gains, dividends go up, that's your crowd, right? that's your buyer. >> yeah, but new york always finds a way, right. successful wealthy people, they evolve and cities like new york city evolve.

we sold a lot of real estate during the obama years and i was not in the business prior to that. i was in college, in school, but people want to buy real estate in new york all the time, and prices will affect that as taxes have to go up on closing costs or on earners, the pricing in new york city will change. it will have to affect that and people will adapt. that's okay. new york finds a way every time. neil: real quickly, this brokerage firm is a high end firm, is that how you would describe it? who is your base? >> yeah. i left the firm i was with for the last 12 years and started my own real estate company on october 1st was our first day, and we are a real estate brokerage for the market of tomorrow. we are building something that will be relevant in 2030, 2040, 2050 and beyond. we are powered by an in-house

film studio and we sell in a lot of different ways. for our sellers and our developers, we sell homes through youtube and through instagram now every week, and high-priced homes. we didn't used to do that ten years ago. so we are agent-branded first company and it's been a wild ride the last 22 days. neil: i bet. certainly a nice start with that $30 million listing. i assume it is -- >> yeah. even better. neil: i see. all right. ryan, thank you very, very much. best of luck here. encouraging, i love the city, i don't want to see it go to hell but this is an encouraging sign you are quite betting on it. ryan sirhan, "million dollar listing" fame and more. you notice the market is down 146 points. disappointment on stimulus that it's not going to be happening in the near term way here. how that cuts politically is anyone's guess. phil keating in orlando, the president will be visiting

florida again today, making a couple of stops today, but there's been a lot of early voting going on in florida, period. phil has more on that and how it could affect this race. hey, phil. reporter: more than four million floridians have already cast their votes. we are in day five of that, last two weeks. over the weekend there will be people driving up, dropping off their ballots in the mailbox or go ahead, take a live look at the line, standing in line which today, all day long here, has wrapped around the building. voting early is definitely happening at historic levels both by mail and in person. it has never been more popular. nationwide, americans have already accomplished 100% of all the early voting done four years ago and we still have 11 days to go to election day. reflecting voter enthusiasm and

fears of contracting coronavirus by going in person. here at the winter park library, masks are strongly recommended but not mandatory. however, most standing in line are wearing a mask. this location has had about 75 to 100 people in line all day long and it's been about a wait of 45 minutes from the end to being done voting. in texas, more than six million have already cast their ballots. about five million in california. and registered democrats have outpaced registered republicans by voting by mail, but so far, registered republicans are outpacing registered democrats. vice president pence's wife voted early this morning in indianapolis and the president and first lady melania are expected to do that tomorrow morning in palm beach county. neil? neil: all right. phil keating in orlando, thank you very much, my friend. where do we stand after the debate right now? all that early voting, forget about nationally at almost 50

million. in florida there, record numbers across the board. no matter how well many like to think the president did last night, is it too late to have an impact? the battleground states, that could be an important distinction, particularly the issue over fracking and the oil industry and that comment on the part of the vice president to maybe phase it out, that could affect states like wisconsin, even texas. let's get the read from the former chief of staff to republican senator mike lee. we also have the democratic strategist's take on all that. kristen, the fact joe biden quickly tried to clarify last night oh, i'm not trying to kill off the oil industry and you had kamala harris today responding to this, trying to clarify again, that the president wrongly stated not only biden's position on fracking but on the oil industry itself, they must be worried.

do you think that was an unforced error on the part of joe biden last night? >> you know, it's interesting, there's been a lot of talk about that this morning. i actually think we are seeing a lot of the younger generation coming up really caring a lot about the environment is actually one of the top three issues for a lot of younger voters. i'm not sure that it is an unforced error or a liability for the president. what a lot of people aren't talking about, and i'm hearing from a lot of my friends actually who represent and work in florida, in that winter park area, actually, is how the preside president's attacks on the solar industry won't sit well in florida. it may in texas but i don't think the democrats are going to win in texas. that was not something i think is going to sit well with a lot of floridians from what i'm hearing. but i think the president, you know, the bar was pretty low for him. he just had to look like he wasn't unhinged on national television but biden did what he needed to do, which is show that

he is the stable, compassionate leader that particularly women want to see. so i don't know if the debate changed the course of the election. you know, this one i don't think did, but the vice president spoke to people and swing voters that i think he needed to reassure that he's the guy to do the job. neil: maybe. i understand your point of view. boyd, when i heard him say that last night, i kind of likened it to gerald ford saying his remark in the debate with jimmy carter that eastern europe wasn't under any soviet dominance and you know, obviously jimmy carter pounced on that immediately. it was called into question just the wisdom of that. this is a night-and-day comparison, i grant you, but the very fact that the president immediately called out did you hear that, pennsylvania, did you hear that, texas, did you hear that, oklahoma, by extension you could talk the oil industry, fracking and related fields are very big, wisconsin comes to

mind, parts of minnesota, that this could close the gap in those states. some of them are pretty tight. what do you think? >> i think one of the interesting things that will come out of those remarks is that remember the debate last night was not really for the base of either party and it wasn't just for the undecideds because that's a very small number. there is a group out there that no one's talking about who isn't showing up in the polling. these are folks who probably voted for president trump in 2016 but have become so exhausted with everything going on, they have disconnected so they no longer show up as likely voters. these are people who are deciding whether or not to vote this time around. and these kinds of comments from vice president biden are one of those things that may get them reengaged and back in the game as potential voters coming up on the first tuesday of november. so i think it's important that we step back just a little bit. the bases were secured. joe biden passed the do no harm

test last night, got through the 90 minutes, had to check his watch a couple of times at the end trying to run out the shot clock, but the president again was stable and strong in that space but again, this is all about those people who more than they care about the political rhetoric, these are folks who really want to hear about community and compassion and self-reliance, upward mobility and opportunity. that is where i think the ultimate hinge point is going to be come tuesday. neil: we will see how that goes. guys, stick around. i want to bring mike emanuel into this. the other story supposed to be yesterday under biden and the e-mails and the business dealings, this former ukrainian operative who was charging that, you know, joe biden knew exactly what was going on. mike, it didn't come up as much or dominate as much as some thought it would, but it's still a big issue. where does it stand? >> yeah, good afternoon. no doubt about it, fox is told

this tony babulinski's legal team reached out to the fbi. no surprise, the fbi is not saying much about this meeting today but it is worth noting they are not denying it. quote, in keeping with our standard practice of neither confirming nor denying the existence of an investigation, tony babulinski was expected to speak today with staff and the senate homeland security and finance committee led by chairman ron johnson and chuck grassley. johnson jabbing at the fbi, quote, i am glad they are finally taking an interest in these concerning financial matters that our committees have been investigating for months. i expect that mr. babulinski will speak with our committee as soon as possible and fully share his insights into the biden family's business dealings. hunter biden's former business partner on a 2017 chinese energy deal, babulinski came forward this week alleging he saw the bidens aggressively leverage the family name to make millions of dollars from foreign entities. he spoke on camera last night before the debate.

>> i have no wish to bury anyone. i have never been political. the few contributions i have made have been to democrats. but what i am is a patriot and veteran. to protect my family name and my business reputation, i need to ensure that the true facts are out there. reporter: as expected, it came up in the debate with president trump saying joe biden owes the american people an explanation. >> all of the e-mails, the e-mails, the horrible e-mails of the kind of money that you were raking in, you and your family, and joe, you were vice president when some of this was happening and it should have never happened. >> i have not taken a single penny from any country whatsoever. reporter: the "wall street journal" and fox's review of babulinski's business records do not show a formal role for joe biden in this venture. back to that meeting today with the fbi, experts say potential legal issues could be money laundering, tax evasion and failure to register as foreign agents in this case for china.

neil? neil: thank you very, very much. back with boyd, the former chief of staff of republican senator mike lee, kristen hall, democratic strategist. kristen, i doubt this story gained much traction in the next couple of weeks. i know there are many who want to make sure that it does, many others perhaps on your side who hope it does not, but the back-and-forth seemed to be all right, if you are going to criticize me, mr. president, on my son or his dealings, let's talk about your chinese bank relationship. i'm wondering if they are canceling themselves out on that. i am also wondering if joe biden is elected, whether this will dog him, whether people are going to start looking into this more, there could be more here than meets the eye. what do you think? >> i mean, i think you are probably right. our own law enforcement agencies have looked into this and cleared the vice president of any wrongdoing. clearly the president and his

allies hope this gains traction. i don't think it will. you know, like you said, it's very easy to talk about the president and his secret banking account and his dealings all over the world, who he owes money to, the fact he hasn't released his taxes. you saw last night it was not difficult for the vice president to come right back at the president with those concerns, so i don't think this is going to be the october surprise that many of the folks on the other side of the aisle hoped that it would be. neil: maybe, boyd, we are back to the issue that came up last night, either the oil, the fracking thing, you know, the strength of the recovery, could be even some of the more bizarre things, looking at the watch thing. a number of republicans are clinging to those kind of issues, not that they're watching [ inaudible ] but it was a metaphor on the evening and this biden stuff just isn't

going to -- no matter how important it is to the president and those around him, it's just not going to make a difference. what do you think? >> it's not the winning issue, to be sure. it isn't an october surprise, either. the interesting thing, though, is that the president could use it, though. remember in 2016, he really focused on this idea that hey, i'm watching out for the little guy, ip n'm not going to allow wealthy, the well-connected and the political elite. that populist message is what ultimately carried the day for him in 2016. i think if the president and campaign were wise, they would focus less on the particulars of it right now because as you said, none of that's going to come out in the next ten days, but they should focus on the idea of look, here's another example we need to drain the swamp, all of those things that were very helpful to him in 2016. so i think using it as a broad message in terms of that populism, that hey, we got to root out the corruption, the wealthy, the well-connected, the political elite, i'm an outsider, that message i think has more opportunity for impact

than really getting into the nitty-gritty of this back-and-forth. i just don't think that will carry the day. neil: a host of other issues could crop up in the meantime but we shall see. guys, thank you both very very much. the dow down about 155 points. still looking at covid cases, you might have heard, the latest day, a record number, certainly a record in the last few months. 72,000 plus new cases in america. what that misses, though, is the fact that hospitalizations and deaths are declining. the separation and the oddity of that and the significance of one versus the other after this. re-entering data that employees could enter themselves?

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completed enrollment of 30,000 volunteers for a phase 3 trial of its vaccine candidate. more than one-third of the participants are minorities which will give researchers a better idea of how well the vaccine protects populations that are at higher risk for severe complications from covid-19. a study published today in nature and medicine predicts more than half a million americans could die from covid-19 by the end of february. however, it doesn't have to be that way. researchers say if 95% of people in every state wear face masks each time they go out in public, those fatalities could be reduced by nearly 130,000 americans. public health officials also say masks are the best way to keep businesses open as we go into what could be a very difficult winter. neil? neil: jonathan, thank you very very much. well, it's the spike in cases that has prompted a number of new york city schools to shut down as they get over this wave and do things all virtually.

but that's prompted an aggressive response from a lot of parents in the area, saying this is ridiculous and enough is enough. right now, there's a class action suit demanding the full reopening of schools in the new york city area. joe borelli, new york city councilman, minority whip, trump 2020 new york co-chairman is among those leading this wave. joe, good to have you. i know you've got a young son directly affected by this. is the argument that the city is just, you know, coming down with an anvil on this, keeping it shut regardless? what's your approach? >> no, no. it's just the opposite, that finally, some of the science, in fact, some of the science you just reported on about how fatality rates and hospitalization rates are going down, science is leading us to believe that this disease is a little bit less dangerous and it's not very dangerous for schools. in the past 21 days, there have been no less than three or so

studies from barcelona, from zuri zurich, but all of these studies are indicating that schools are not the superspreaders that we once thought them to be. here in new york, school is a constitutional right for all new york city school students and that's kind of the basis of our lawsuit. but moreover, around the country, we need parents to get more on their forward footing and less on the defensive about getting their kids back in school. i need my kid back in school. i needed him back. it wasn't an option for us. i work, my wife works, and my son has issues with learning that he needs special services. so for us as for millions of other parents around the country, we need this to happen. some school districts are being very aggressive and we see that the cases in those schools are very limited, they are not basically community spread events, and i wish new york city, i wish some other cities around the country, would actually start being really aggressive.

actually, mayor bowser of washington, d.c., a person i probably wouldn't agree with on anything, just put out a report saying her kindergarteners are reading at a 21% less of a literacy rate. this is probably happening in every other school district where they are focusing on remote education and not in person, and i'm sick of it, neil. i'm just sick of it. i want my son in the best education possible and we want that for all kids. neil: now i thes there any virt learning? can he take advantage of that? obviously if he has issues he has to address, virtual can only cut it so much, right? >> look, neil, we have no idea the damage that's going to be caused from kids being forced to sit in front of a screen rather than have in-person teaching. we know that there is a certain developmental component, there's a socialization component. just the fact kids are more likely to listen to a teacher in front of them rather than someone on a screen. mark my words, neil, in two years, three years, four years, whatever it is from this day, we

are going to start seeing some scientific research about how kids were sort of set back by having this lengthy amount of time for remote learning. i commend so many school districts, including my own, for pulling this remote bottle out of thin air when things were dangerous and we didn't have an idea how long this would last. bravo to them. but it's october 2020. it's months later. people are not dying in the same rate. they are not getting hospitalized in the same rate and we know schools are safe. neil: all right. joe, keep us posted on this. i know you have been relentless on it here and saying there is a way to balance safety and education, and kids need that. their parents need that as well. joe borelli on all of that. by the way, almost lost in the sauce, the new iphone 12 is out and available for pickup. you can't wait in long line for it, though. that's taboo. but it is out. we will be curious, people who have seen it, used it, what's so unique about it?

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neil: well, the new iphone is out. you can get it in your hot little hands today. a lot of people have been looking at the whole 5g thing, the camera thing, the demand thing. we don't haveknow preorders wery lie for this, about double what they were at this point for the iphone 11. kurt, what can you tell us? >> hey, neil. welcome to what has been days for this test drive that went on putting what's new for the iphone through its paces. what you will notice right off the bat is speed. 5g is fast. really fast.

where you can find it. wireless carriers are even going to war now to lock you down into nationwide 5g service. even going as far as making the iphone 12 free. >> on e of these offers, you ca get an iphone free with the trade-in of an iphone. you can get up to $800 off which essentially because one of the phones is $799, that will cover that. reporter: apple vp of iphones going over the fastest iphone ever made. they share a tougher outside made from what they call ceramic shield to do four times better performance in a drop if you have an accident. watch what happens with the new magnetic system that makes snapping with built-in magnets like this wallet open a new billion dollar world of accessories including faster wireless charging. on the inside, a faster processor, a way of managing speed power and battery in

ananosized lovefest of learning, making things like the camera system take better pictures especially at night. by far, the biggest advancement here, 5g. the next generation of super-fast wireless. the cell phone industry needed apple to take the iphone to 5g and apple needed wireless companies to make 5g widespread. critics, especially about a third of americans that live in parts where 5g is yet to be turned on, wonder if 5g matters at all. >> they are rolling out 5g in more places every week with expected more deployments towards the end of the year so a few things. if you don't have 5g right now, it may be coming to you. you can check with your carrier on that. reporter: priced less than competitors, about $799 to get going. i'm calling this the most worthwhile iphone upgrade in years. two of the iphone 12 models available today, you can check out my post at cyberguy.com to see what 5g coverage might be near you, because hey, if it's

not near you, i don't know if it's your time for iphone. you also notice the packaging they send is much more minimal, including what's inside. you don't get the charger anymore. they have also eliminated the earphones. neil: i'm curious, you talk about there are a number of significant changes here. say for someone who has an 11, i can see for earlier generations it might be worth the move. how do people balance that out? is this a significant enough upgrade to warrant a switch? reporter: first of all, you have the phone and it's impressive with all the bells and whistles. if that's not compelling enough, what's back, though, are the wireless carriers now fighting again to get our business. remember the days where they used to subsidize the phone, that sort of faded away, then made us spend the money for the phones? now they want us back again because all of them have put out their 5g platforms, some better than others, and there's a lot more to think about with 5g.

for example, some carriers, mine is at & t, doesn't charge any extra for the 5g, but verizon that has faster 5g might bump you up in price for your monthly, so there's a lot to consider and the easier thing is to go and look at all the offers right now, find out what your phone may be worth. it could be a wash for that iphone 11. i had the iphone 11 pro max. i'm going to take about a $70 hit on it but upgrade to this with an offer that's getting me at about $8 a month for 30 months. i had to learn a lot to get to that realization but guess what, i'm saving money. getting a new phone. n neil: that's very interesting. thank you very very much. good catching up with you on all of that. well, [ inaudible ] also had a chance to play with this, to look at this. russ, what do you think? you had a chance to sort of explore the features.

what do you think? >> yeah, no, i completely agree. i think 5g is the major feature here. the difference, people wonder like do i need this, lte is pretty fast. the idea you can download an entire movie in ten seconds on a wireless connection is outrageous, total game changer. i also, i know it was mentioned but i also want to call out this magnet thing, let me tell you, magnets are the future, apparently, because it's actually very cool. i keep being so amazed by the fact you can just charge it in like a second just by connecting this thing and then it's charging. it's really pretty astounding. neil: how long does it take to do a full charge with that? >> yeah. i mean, it will depend on the model you have. i'm using a 12 pro here and it will be probably about four hours to do a full charge. i leave it, you know, that's my overnight charging method so i just drop it on the thing, i wake up in the morning, i know it's charged. past models, you might put it on

the wrong way, it wouldn't be stuck in the right place and you would wake up in the morning and have no battery and it be dead. this is kind of a good solve for that. neil: does it charge with some of the older cables for the prior models of phone? >> yeah. so you can use -- there is a port on the bottom here, you can just use a normal lightning cable. that still works fine. you don't necessarily have the ease of just dropping it on something. but obviously, if you have a bunch of cables lying around, you don't want to necessarily buy more cables. that's a good solve. neil: you know, 5g is hot and sexy as it sounds, is still a ways off for a lot of people in most of the country. could be a year or so, or more, off. barring the 5g thing, i know that's sort of ignoring the potential high tech elephant in the room, i have heard talk there's very fast processors, the camera can take a look at the moons in jupiter, i have no idea, but what other appealing

features does it have if you are kind of wondering i like the 5g thing but can't get 5g? >> yeah. i think it really just depends on what phone you're using. i think if you spend a bunch of money on the 11 pro last year, and you're not interested in using 5g, there are fewer arguments to be made. obviously i think the camera's better, the screen's better, processor, but grand scheme of things, there's kind of a diminishing return there, whereas if you are using an iphone 8, the jump is astronomical. you are getting this much, much better phone. it really is, you just have to decide where am i in my life with regard to my phones and do i need an upgrade and if you do, this is a very very good one. neil: we will watch it very closely. russ, fascinating. thank you, my friend. i love that charger thing. that's kind of cool. russ following all of that. apple shares turning down a little bit but keep in mind, the pro max is not part of this original offering.

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neil: all right. you've heard a lot about the biden tax plan but it goes beyond a lot more than just sticking it to the rich. this is an area that charlie gasparino has been pounding relentlessly that it is not all that it appears and now a lot of folks are following up and saying exactly what is in that plan and who gets torched. charlie gasparino back with us on all of this. charlie, what are you finding

out? charlie: you know, even after last night's very good debate performance by president trump, the biden people are still extremely confident that this is their election essentially to lose in the last couple weeks here, and they're talking about how they're going to govern once they get in there, particularly if they keep the house of representatives democrat and they pick up the senate. that's what's going on right now. that talk is centering around taxes, tax increases, being a central part of his early legislative agenda, possibly as soon as he gets into office or not long thereafter, you are going to see a tax plan put out by joe biden that will look to radically increase taxes. they are saying that the first legislative action he will take will be this tax plan. it will be done probably in february. they want to get it done essentially before the debt ceiling fight begins in july. apparently there's a debt

ceiling fight where things could get really messy so they want to get this thing in there as a major piece of legislation before that fight. that's all assuming that the republicans lose the senate. if they do lose the senate, then he's going to really push for this and as you know, the plan is very much aimed at corporations, higher corporate taxes, getting rid of the carried interest deduction that benefits private equity, raising taxes massively on anybody that makes $400,000 a year, and then there's the question of whether all this hurts the little guy, the average middle class investor who joe biden will say he's not going to touch them. others point out, i think rightfully, that whenever you raise taxes on corporations, it's the people that work for those corporations that get hammered and you could see lower pay increases and other -- and less benefits and less hiring. that's what's -- that will be the debate. the interesting thing is biden will do this, at least the plan

is to do this, through what's known as budget reconciliation. chad pergram is better at this than i am, knows a lot more about this, but apparently he's going to ram it through needing only 51 votes, just in case it gets really close in the senate. so he thinks he can get it, he can pass his massive tax increases on corporations and individuals with just 51 votes and that's what we are hearing from the campaign after last night's debate. again, they feel that this is their election to lose. i'm not saying i agree with it. they say, their internal polls are showing he's up and it's very hard for donald trump to reverse that tide even with two weeks left, and again, they are so confident, they are talking about pushing for these massive tax increases right off the bat. by the way, another reason why they want to push it right off the bat is he does plan to spend a lot of money on infrastructure and green energy jobs and he thinks the -- biden thinks these

tax increases are needed to finance that -- those programs. back to you. neil: it's not a good time to be a fat cat like yourself, you know, charlie? you got a big old bull's eye on you. charlie: you know, i get the notion of people making $400,000 are real fat cats but think about it this way. you make 400 grand a year, family of four, you live on long island, are you really living like a gazillionaire? this tax debate is much more complicated. i can't believe chuck schumer doesn't understand it since he's from new york. but apparently they are going to push -- neil: a lot of small businesses pay at the existing income rates so to a farmer, that's your whole business. charlie: a restaurant owner -- neil: very good reporting. maybe not the restaurants you go to, but certainly the restaurants i go to. thank you, my friend. great reporting as always.

have you been way you have been way ahead of this. more after this. interesting development there. if president biden were to come into office and continue to push these tax hikes regardless, that's another development in and of itself. stay with us.

neil: all right. [ inaudible ] election day security and beyond, disruptions, protests, you name it, regardless of the results on either side, then the safety of voting in person itself. it's gotten to be a combined web of concerns here. jillian turner has much more right now from washington. jillian? reporter: well, if you're having flashbacks to 2016, it is because we feel like we are stuck in a bit of a time loop with overnight intelligence sources telling fox news the threat of russian interference in this election is real, it is dangerous, and it is growing, and that newly uncovered hacking by russia and iran did come up last night at the presidential debate. joe biden said they are out to get him. listen. >> everything that's going on here about russia is wanting to make sure that i do not get elected the next president of the united states, because they

know i know them. and they know me. reporter: president trump insisted he's actually the one in russia's crosshairs. listen. >> -- through john, who is -- john ratcliffe, who is fantastic, dni, he said the one thing that's common to both of them, they both want you to lose because there has been nobody tougher to russia, between the sanctions, nobody tougher than me on russia, between the sanctions, between all of what i've done with nato -- reporter: we are also learning the house intelligence committee is at war with itself over accusations that russia interfered four years ago on behalf of president trump. now, republicans on that committee claim they have written this report that directly undercuts the 2017 intelligence community assessment that russia intervened to boost president trump and hurt hillary clinton. former un ambassador nikki haley

says american's enemies fight democratic elections online because this is the cheapest form of warfare that's actually available to them. listen. >> back in 2016, you actually had the russians coordinating rallies that americans were going to, having no idea that they were doing it. their whole goal was to separate us on race and on religion. i think now you're going to see the same thing. they are trying to cause chaos through these e-mails. reporter: so race, immigration, gun rights, domestic issues like that are now the m.o. for russian military intelligence agents looking to interfere in u.s. elections. they are trying to do this by hacking e-mail, by creating fake bot accounts on social media and trying to impact the way americans actually talk about this issue with one another. it's really insidious, neil? neil: they have no doubt that the russians are at it again. the only issue is how many others are at it with them, right? reporter: that's right. and now still political

in-fighting about whether russia tried last time around to help president trump or whether russia was clearly trying to help president trump and create and sow more chaos. neil: yeah. amazing. gillian, thank you very much. thank you for your hard work following the debate and everything else. i don't think you have been getting any sleep. keep at it. i appreciate it. all right. in the meantime, we are down about 100 points right now. there is growing concern here that the stimulus thing is not going to happen. and i don't know why that even warrants a fox alert so i'm not even going to do the ching thing. it's just not happening. after this. let's be honest. quitting smoking is hard. like, quitting every monday hard. quitting feels so big.

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