means money, commissions fees that the nasdaq wins. stuart: waiting for them to go public. i would like to buy some stock. there you go. as we leave you the dow is coming back a bit. we're only down 57 points. but look at the nasdaq. watch out for microsoft at 4:00 this afternoon. neil, it's yours. neil: stuart, thank you very, very much we'll follow the earnings parade continues. it gets lost in the sauce like other political developments like right now. we're waitings to hear from the president of the united states. he will leave on another whirlwind tour of battleground states. first stop michigan, wisconsin, nebraska. busy travel on the day we see some polls in the battleground states are tightening and early signs that he might be winning back some groups that were sort of falling off his bandwagon. again any detail like this could be important in deciding who gets those 270 electoral votes.

we'll detail you on all of that in just a second. blake burman with the latest at the white house, with the president's pretty aggressive travel plans and this is just the latest. this is going to get a lot more involved, a lot busier, up to five rally as day we're told in the next few days. what are you hearing, blake, on that strategy? reporter: frenetic pace indeed, neil. the president down the homestretch of 2016 had a handful of rally as days in the last couple days. we believe that will be the pace for the president as well. today it is three different stops for him, all in big 10 country, three different states. first off the president heading to michigan. whenever you go there the debate over the auto industry. we've seen that play out between president trump and joe biden in the recent weeks. when you look where the auto industry has been, neil, in terms of auto manufacturing, really both campaigns can make a claim things improved under their watch. after it bottomed out during the

great recession, auto manufacturing jobs were steady increase during the obama administration. then when president trump took office, the increase kept going upwards until of course covid-19. after that the president is off to wisconsin. whenever he goes there, neil, he talks about getting rid of nafta and striking the usmca trade deal. then he is off to nebraska, why nebraska, that is one of two states not winner-take-all in the electoral college. the other state is maine, a state the president visited over the weekend. down the home stretch, neil there is a handful of messages but seemingly one of them the president believes there is some sort of media fascination with covid-19 and that the media is trying to use it to harm his election chances. the president again tweeted the following today saying, quote, until november 4th, fake news media is going full on, covid, covid, covid.

we are rounding the turn. 99.9%. as reminder we hit daily infection rates the recent days, positivity rates are going up. this is just beyond more testing. when you look at states president is going at today, michigan, positivity rate 4.9%. where you want to be. however, wisconsin, nebraska, four and five times that amount. both of them over 20%. of the white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany today was asked why the president is seemingly dismissing all of this? this was her response. >> look, president trump in his brilliant debate performance offered a very clear choice to the american people. you can open safely with president donald trump or you can do joe biden and he is modeling his covid strategy which is being locked in the basement. reporter: as for joe biden he will be on the trail in georgia. his running mate will be in las vegas. it is interesting, neil, down the homestretch, the very last week of the campaign, seven days to go, you have got democrat in

georgia and the republican at one point in nebraska. all corners of the map, campaigning. neil? neil: you know, blake, on the spikes and all of that, i mean independent medical establishments nih, more to the point, released these numbers. the media can report them. doesn't have to report them. through the whole pandemic, that is the data we rely on. that is the data that shows the spikes. that is the sort of data that we quote. they're not put out by political institutions so when the president is referring to this is media fixation. this is just data that counts every day. you can minimize it all you want, you can say more people are surviving this. i get that but it is what it is. what worries me about that, sends a message to me that is all fake, all that data is fake. those are real cases.

reporter: yeah. the numbers i just gave to you were from johns hop kins university. if you are a student or have a child who is trying to get into the medical profession, johns hopkins university is at the top of the ladder where you would hope that maybe you could go and study. that is in part where these numbers are coming from, not republican, not democrat, just the numbers and again where the president is going today, the percent positive rate, not a matter of are we testing more. just what are the rates of those who end up taking a test. wisconsin, 28%. nebraska, 21%. and michigan, at the baseline, 5% of where the world health organization says you want to be. the numbers are the numbers but for whatever reason the president has clearly made a calculation that the message should be that the media is covering covid but we are rounding the turn. neil: all right. blake, thank you, very good reporting on all of that. blake burman. when we look at these numbers as

blake was outlining, you look at new cases of course you do. you also look at incident of those who are getting a positive read on the virus. that is what has gone up as well. definitely a lot more testing. we test more than any other country on the planet. that is to our credit. this goes beyond testing. those who are testing, higher and higher percentages are testing positive for the virus. that is not an agenda, right, left thing. believe me. i get an earful from people on this. i just follow the numbers. follow the data. i have no interest in making or scoring political points on either camp. okay, in the meantime we do know that close to 65 million americans have already voted. that is nothing to do with the virus. who have already voted. a lot of those early voting numbers, we're showing close to 63 million right now but fact of the matter is, that this is driven by the pandemic and safer ways to avoid in person voting. that is where the two are joined

at the hip here. with all these people having already voted, they're not going to be stirred by any of the campaign travels of either the president or the guy who wants to be president. how does that influence the final numbers that we're going to get a week from today? now, i say, final numbers. we won't get all of them but it could be a long night. i want to go to a "axios" reporter following this very closely. hans, all the early voting we tried to glean something where that's going. we do know a lot more democratic ballots are returned than republican ballots. that doesn't mean the democratic ballots were all for democratic candidates, vice versa. but that is what the president could be up against here. i'm just wondering, with the sheer number of ballots and everyone talking about record turnout, does that necessarily mean we are robbing day of voters we used to see in the past, just a little earlier? that the numbers won't move that

dramatically? i think not but i'm just curious what you think? >> well, look all-out comes are possible, right? and i hate to give you such a weasley answer, neil, no one has really figured out whether or not people are voting earlier because of the pandemic. when we do know hardcore partisans tend to vote earlier. people and there are a lot more in this cycle in part because a lot easier to vote by mail. we don't know if everyone changed the voting patterns from october to november. you talk to experts on both sides. they can slice it this way, oh, we see a few more early voters in north carolina that haven't voted before. that is good for the democrats. republicans can counter with some county that is more rural and has more republican voters in florida. the takeaway as of this morning is that more people are voting early in swing states, that we know. we know in pennsylvania democrats are driving up big

numbers. it is more equal in states like north carolina and florida. and the bottom line on all this, no one knows to what extent republican states are going to behave like republican states. if tradition is going to follow. if states like florida, georgia, iowa, will come home for the president or something fundamental has gone there and donald trump has lost his core base of support and many republicans are not simply going to vote for him and many independents will break for joe biden. no one knows that. look at polls but think of them like the sun. what do we know about the sun, neil? never look at the sun. only if you're wearing sunglasses, neil. neil: that is very profound. one thing, you're much more in tune to this than i will ever be, i get it when they talk about passionate voters, the president has passionate supporters, but last time i checked you know the passionate vote counts every much as the less passionate society or driven by not wanting to see

donald trump reelected. they're both the same ballot. i'm wondering how that figures out? i mean and the passion on the left and right may be more on the left about packings gnat about unseating the present incumbent than love of the guy you want to make the new incumbent, how do you sort of play the passion game out? >> well i think the big question on passion is that what happens when passion meets weather? by that i mean, you can have someone very passionate. they will stand in a rainy line all day to vote for donald trump or joe biden. so, yes, passion you know, passionate vote counts the same amount as a dispassionate vote and getting to the polls is what matters. to your broader question, it will be a big question if biden wins, can you win by being against something or do you have to be for something? in the last few cycles we've had history suggests that you would rather have voters be for you

than against the other guy or against the other female as it were in 2016. now, we don't, again, maybe the anger is so strong and so deep against donald trump among certain democrats, maybe independents, that that will carry joe biden across the line and it won't be passion for joe biden that brings him across the line and brings him victory. you heard a similar argument in 2004 you know, remember, the country was in a very divided and tense place in 2004. there were antiwar protests outside of george w. bush's ranch down there in crawford. there were a lot of democrats couldn't fathom or live with themselves if george w. bush won in 2004. the argument at the time some democrats and independents hate burke more than they like kerry. that may have been true on the margins but in the aggregate it wasn't true and george w. bush won. now here is the throat clearing that i do for you. 2020 could be entirely different

because the levels are just so much higher. everyone is so much more torqued and amped up on both sides and that is just reality that neither campaign really knows how to factor in and plug into their model. so both, both campaigns are almost flying without instruments, neil. neil: yeah. one last question, i know my producer will kill me, i always enjoy having you on, answering some core questions i have, that is what we make of the strategy the campaigns are using in these final days, week now before the election? obviously joe biden isn't traveling nearly as much as the president. i get that. but he seems to be looking increasingly between potential personal appearances if not outright ad spending in states like georgia and texas and arizona and i do remember four years ago hillary clinton doing this kind of stuff, maybe with the thought of running the table

and turning away from states that she thought were going to go democrat anyway, not to the same degree and joe biden pollingwise has bigger leads in these battlegrounds than she did back then, i'm wondering if that is a risky strategy? if it is getting a little too bold for comfort for the democrats? what do you make of it? >> i think there is a lot of talk, you're on the right subject. there is a lot of talk in the democratic party particularly in texas. texas you sort of get a good view how the democrats see it. they're sending kamala harris on friday but not spending millions of dollars texas democrats tell us they need. if they had a little bit, 10 million, number they told us couple days ago, if they had a little more money they could all but guarranty for joe biden. they're playing ftse of texas sending kamala harris there but the core is the midwest in the

travel where joe biden will be. he will be in georgia. he will be in florida. you look where donald trump is, he is basically playing defense. he is making sure he doesn't lose that one seat in nebraska. he is in upper midwest. if this stays in the campaign you have got to look where they're spending and where there traveling. that shows biden is slightly on offense playing safe but donald trump is on defense across the entire map. neil: all right. we'll watch it closely. hans nichols, "axios" reporter extraordinaire following these developments. thank you. be healthy yourself. go to john layfield, daniel dimartino booth. john on market implications of this and point i want to pick up with you, danielle, are markets getting all of this together possibility of a joe biden win or the possibility that regardless who wins, all of this, you know, is going to come

together and be tough for whoever wins? because we'll be, we'll be seeing these spikes in cases? we'll seeing potential rolling shutdowns, nothing hopefully like we had before or certainly what they are experiencing now in europe but what is setting the market tone right now? i get the disappointment with stimulus not likely materializing anytime soon if at all, but joan, on that, what are markets saying about the election in figure? >> the markets don't care who becomes president on november 3 record. they care if somebody does become president on november 3 record. i think we have contested election. it is not only bad for the country. we could have civil unrest. that is bad for the stimulus bill. i think that is more important than the presidential race itself. vice president biden had a bigger lead couple weeks ago. the market was pricing in vice president biden coming in, becoming president, having a big stimulus package. that is get being more narrower

now. looks like we could have a contested election. if we don't have a stimulus bill, the market is much more worried about that. with covid they are worried about shutdowns that could possibly come. all that has to do baseline with the stimulus bill that could be passed. neil: danielle, i think you raised in the past no matter who wins, there will be a lot of spending going on. that won't change. so i'm wondering how that factors in here? because eventually trillions of dollars in deficits we've got this year, talking deficits, to say nothing of or piling on with the debt, that is going to be a big issue for either of these men? >> you know, it is. if there is a situation to where either the senate flips or the white house flips, then you could have the potential for continued gridlock such that it might be valentine's day, neil, before people are actually seeing money in their pockets. there are some things that have to be agreed to, after a week from today, that the federal

reserve's credit liquidity facilities take one example. you have to have the treasury department and the fed agree to extend them beyond december 31st. there is a fresh story on "the wall street journal" website right now talking about millions of americans at risks of eviction after the cdc rental eviction moratorium expires on december 31st. there are a lot of different aspects right now that require stimulus spending. but on top of that, you have got things that are in americans faces. you can discount the case counts all you want. my gosh, my twitter feed is going to light up right now like a chimney, but you cannot disregard that 43,000 americans have somebody in the hospital today. that is the highest level in more than two months and these are very tangible things for people. you have to consider, with the cold weather moving in, it is 43 degrees and raining here in dallas, texas here today, there is only so much you can do trying to keep these companies open, smaller businesses,

restaurants as we head into the winter season. these are very tangible things that small business owners, who might be on the cusp of closing or not closing as year-end comes around, these are things that are very real to people that are even superseding the importance of the election right now. neil: yeah, because they will be around post the election any way. final word on that, danielle, thank you. john, i apologize for the truncated time. breaking news developments including the president's travels and joe biden's travels albeit limited. what it is telling where each of these guys are going. when we have come back, judge or should i say justice amy barrett, what will her priorities, what cases will she take up? will she recuse herself from any? democrats demand answers. the new justice isn't giving them any yet. after this.

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by contrast it is the job of a judge to resist her policy preferences. it would be a dereliction of duty for her to give in to them. federal judges don't stand for election. thus they have no basis for claiming that their preferences reflect those of the people. neil: all right. now justice amy barrett. there will be a formal supreme court swearing-in to make it all official but what she is giving you there whether some of these cases she will be taking up in a matter of days by the way, she would have taken them all on or recuse herself from any as a number of democrats urged. carrie severino literally wrote the book, former clerk of justice thomas. always good to have you. the cases that democrats have been pushing from which she recuses herself are going to be

election related. not aca or related cases but i could be wrong. in that event how is that decided? what is the policy or the procedures they go through in the supreme court? do they decide amongst themselves? does she decide, make the call? are there rules for this sort of thing? >> yeah. the rules are generally followed with the justice val weighing his or her own recusal as barrett herself pointed out during her confirmation process in consultation with their colleagues as well. so it is something that she would be discussing with her colleagues in the court, however i have to point out historical precedent is really clear on this. some of these calls for recusal on election related issues are completely foundless. the historical trajectory you have nominees that have sat repeatedly on cases that involved the president, that appointed them. ginsburg and breyer sat on the clinton versus jones case

involving the paula jones scandal. three of nixon appointees sat on u.s. versus nixon case involving his scandal. one recused himself would be directly involved basis assistant attorney general. she has no involvement with this administration or obviously with the campaign. there is no reason she would have to recuse. neil: while i have you, much has been made of the fact that it's a 6-3 conservative court now. we know chief justice roberts, it doesn't always swing to the conservative side and i'm just wondering is it actually closer to a 5-4 conserve tough court? how do you sense the dynamics changes? >> well i think time is going to tell on this we'll know a lot more by the end of this term. some people have speculated sometimes the chief justice swings because he is trying to avoid these 5-4 decisions or because he is trying to avoid a political outcome. when he is not the swing vote on that court we might see that

change. that would be good, if he is making those decisions for political, rather than legal reasons, that is not appropriate for a judge. so i think if that returns him to making legal analysis, the priority would be a good thing. at any rate as you pointed out it would at a minimum with justice barrett on the court now be a 5-4 or 6-3 court in any case with judges committed to looking at the original understanding of the constitution and looking at the actual text of the laws as they're written. neil: but she would, if you had to make a gut call on it, carrie, she would weigh in on election related issues if they came up? in other words, there are 200 lawsuits filed ahead of this election, i can't believe it. not all of those will get all the way up to the supreme court, but i'm wondering you don't see anything in her would bow outof those decisions?

>> that would be -- there is no historical precedent for recusing yourself in election related cases that have to do with the president that appointed you. that simply doesn't happen. neil: all right. carrie, thank you so much. always good catching up with you. i hope to tap that fine brand of yours on this whole process because the process begins anew. getting idea of what justice barrett is going to do. you're well aware of the trump-biden race but there is a third candidate who is on all 50 state ballots. jo jorgensen is libertarian candidate. when she was on fox news. a lot of it good. a lot not so good. a lot of people wondering if she is a spoiler. the professor would like to say, not quite, not at all. she is next.

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♪. neil: all right. former president barack obama is campaigning on behalf of joe biden right now in orlando, florida. let's get the read how things are looking in the sunshine state. phil keating is in orlando right now. hey, phil. reporter: hey, neil and president, former president obama eight years in the white house is back in his element right now. he is delivering another vote for biden campaign rally and speech. he is back behind me right there on that big stage. let's take a live look inside at the scene. it is a drive-in style event. so everybody is still sitting in their cars, spaced apart and watching and listening to the former president and honking their horns as applause and there has been quite a bit of honking going on. this is the third time obama has hit the campaign in the final weeks of the campaign. first was in philadelphia. then over the weekend in the

miami area. both events he strongly ripped into his successor, his policies and his performance. all of which he is doing again right now. let's take a live short listen inside right now. >> you know what? i mean sometimes it is almost too easy to make fun of it but it's serious. there are consequences to his actions. if he was just on jerry springer or something you would say, well well -- but this is the most powerful office on earth and when people see the president doing things like that -- reporter: florida of course is key to both campaigns. that is why the president's daughter, ivanka barnstorms the state today. two campaign events. one in miami, one in sarasota on the gulf coast. the latest afu poll came out shows biden leading trump by two points. so it is within the margin of error. essentially it is all tied up in

florida. it is the country's largest battleground state with the big prize of 29 electoral college votes. thursday, both candidates themselves will be in the state of florida. former vice president joe biden will visit broward countdown in the south of the state, a democratic strong hold. as well as over in tampa. and then president trump is expected to give yet another campaign rally in central florida thursday evening. back to you, neil. neil: all right. phil keating, thank you very, very much. you might lose sight of the fact there is a third candidate in the race on all 350 state ballots. dr. joe joe jorgensen is her na. good to have you back with us. you're polling two to 3%. in battleground states a little bit more. i noticed, professor, in some of those states you are polling

more than the gap between donald trump and joe biden where you could make a very big difference. that is why they call you a spoiler. i know you didn't like that term when wechatted before. that is what they're calling you now. how do you answer that? >> it is not so much that i don't like the term. actually i would love to be a spoiler that would mean that i'm making a difference. my point was if donald trump had done what he said, you know, he said i'm an outsider, i'm a businessman. i know how to balance a budget, cut spending. by the way i will bring troops home. he has not done that. had he not increased deficit faster than obama, by the way before the pandemic, if he had not increased the debt to the largest he ever sad, he would not be so close to biden in the polls. neil: you know, professor, the fact of the matter is that your, libertarian thinking is more in line with republicans it should be. republican as you pointed out

were running up the deficits and debt long before obviously the pandemic. so i get that but that is where they say you will rob votes or steal votes from donald trump, not joe biden. what do you think of that? >> well, we're finding we're taking votes from both sides. by the way i don't even like the term we're taking votes. it is their votes. they own those votes. when we hear people like joe biden who thinks he is entitled to votes of people of color, that seems like they are quote, unquote, taking votes. but no, i spoke at some rallies in california and i had many voters come up to me and say that they were recovering democrats and they don't know what they were thinking. that i was absolutely right. that the democratic party is no longer the party of antiwar. no longer the party of the little guy. so they're coming over to the libertarian party. we're the only antiwar party out there at this time. and we're the only party who is sticking up for the little guy,

for the individual. neil: you know, the pandemic is obviously a front and center issue for a good many people, professor. i know among many other things up teach at clemson university. by the way full disclosure, as i mentioned last time, among those who you teach is my son who is a freshman there. you're well aware what is going on. a lot of classes are virtual. where we're going to extend the thanksgiving break to christmas to keep it that way. so how, as a libertarian, do you respond to those who are now saying, given the spikes in cases we're seeing that we should shut things down again or, have limits on where people go, how they socially distance, wear a mask, that sort of thing? what is your position on that? >> yeah. well i've been saying from the beginning that testing is key. that south korea got their first case within about a day of ours and they quickly jumped ahead in the testing, containing the

spread, without any lockdowns. meanwhile at the same time trump was on stage with dr. fauci saying if you don't have symptoms, don't get tested, even though they knew over half the people with the virus didn't have any symptoms. that is when you need testing. and i would also like to ask these same people, do we keep the economy shut down because people have the flu? i mean, the flu is a far more dangerous virus right now, especially for young people, than the coronavirus is. neil: well, the flu hasn't killed as many people this year, right? >> well in, but if you look at the death rate, if you look at the percentage for younger people, that the coronavirus has a very low mortality rate for younger people. the flu has a higher death rate, mortality rate. neil: i see where you're going there. but if you were president, doctor, and if we continue seeing these spikes in cases

would you just say we'll have to deal with this? what would be your position? >> well, again, do we have to just deal with the flu? i mean we've had infectious diseases all along and in fact over 100 years ago infectious diseases were the number one cause of deaths in our country and now it is more lifestyle changes. i would like to point out that many of these deaths that they're reporting as being from coronavirus probably are more from lifestyle changes because there are people who have vulnerabilities, people who have diabetes and other diseases that come about as a result of obesity and some other life-style, some other lifestyle. so again, i would suggest that if we ate healthy if we took care of ourselves we would be in much better shape than we are right now. of course i can't claim, no, please, please don't take me out of context, i'm not suggesting if we all had normal weight we

would withstand coronavirus. what i'm saying is right now we're just experiencing a touch of what we had before. but i would like to point out that you know, suicide rates have increased. they are the highest they have been in decades. we have had people who are becoming overweight by staying inside. depression rates are up. substance abuse is up. all of these other things are up. so i think that the jury is still out on exactly how many deaths are caused by the coronavirus. and i don't think we'll have a good idea for at few months when we see how everything sorts out. neil: wondering, the more you mention the overweight thing, longer i was holding my stomach in. i can only do that so long. doctor, let me just say, you sound much more aligned when it comes to the virus with the donald trump position, than the joe biden position, that accurate? >> well, no. i mean because donald trump in the beginning didn't get rid of those fda obstacles.

there were literally dozens of testing kits sold around the world. thanks to the fda and cdc we were only allowed to use two of them. they're still blocked from entering our country. i would have the opposite strategy that trump had. i would have said, look, everybody needs to get tested. by the way we're getting all the restrictions that you have to pay a doctor to go get tested. until recently there were states you had to get a doctor's note in order to get tested. this is egregious. there needs to be testing kits in every drugstore around the country. they should be able to get tests anytime they want. okay is it safe to go visit grand ma? is it safe to go to work? is great to go to a family reunion? instead of having all the tests under lock and key and trump did nothing to get rid of the fda

blocking us getting tested. neil: how do you feel about china? the complaint people have about lable tearians, hands off, don't get in foreign affairs. ron paul used to espouse that when he was in congress running for president himself. is it your view we should cut the military or at least our military presence all around the world? >> i want to turn america one giant switzerland. armed and neutral. we absolutely have to have a strong military. we absolutely have to defend our borders, defend our shores. however we don't need to be in 150 countries around the world. i heard donald trump, jr. on tv say, well, you know, the president, you know, my father is bringing home the troops. well, i haven't seen any evidence of that yet. and besides he has been in office for nearly four years. out of 150 different countries, how many countries are we home from now? i would suggest we're still in

150 different countries. i was on a podcast in which somebody asked me, well we came home from one country, which first of all i would dispute that. even if we did come home from one country, okay, now we're in 149 countries instead of 150. i mean at that rate it will take us 600 years to come home. we need to come home now. first of all, there is no reason for taxpayers to be paying for us to be all over the world. and secondly, it makes us less safe, not more safe. the irony here the military is supposed to make us more safe. so we absolutely need to be protecting our borders. and stop meddling around the world and making things worse for us. neil: didn't mean to jump on you there. the hard break comes whether you and i are chatting or not. thanks for chatting again. we'll see how the election goes. we're a week away. jo jorgensen, first woman libertarian candidate. >> i enjoyed it, yeah. neil: same here.

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♪. neil: all this concern about spikes in cases, a country with the dow down 133 points. that could go away or a lot could go away if there is a vaccine or treatment or something and there are a couple potential bubbling up, but nothing firm just yet. jonathan serrie with the latest from atlanta. hi, jonathan. reporter: neil, the biotech company novavax, phase three clinical trial of a potential vaccine in the uk has enrolled 5500 people. they expect to expand to 15,000 by the end of november. data from the study could become available by early in the first quarter of 2021. a phase 3:00 trial is also planned to begin in the u.s. by the end of november.

meanwhile astrazeneca says its vaccine candidate produces similar immune responses in both older and younger volunteers. that is significant because it suggests that the vaccine may offer protection for the elderly who are at higher risk from complications from covid-19. the federal government is ending a study on eli lilly antibody treatment for patients hospitalized because of covid-19. not for safety concerns because it doesn't seem to affect out comes in the most severe cases. however the government continues a separate study patients with mild to moderate cases to see if they can prevent them from having to go to the hospital or developing more serious symptoms. so it is still in play. neil, back to you. neil: jonathan serrie, thank you very much. with the dow down about 144 points there is concern again about the stimulus thing that will ever happen, but what has got them lately, forget about before election day, will we get

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neil: all right. the president busy campaigning today but right now polls are surprisingly tight for him in florida, arizona, even texas. what are those particular states have in common?

well, of course, they benefited from an exodus from people from high-taxed states to lower-taxed states right now. and in that particular case it could be working to the president's detriment. we can take this down, guys, doesn't relate exactly what i'm saying. in the case of florida, arizona, texas, steve moore, one thing i do notice, among those people part of that exodus are many democrats. they have changed the complexion of some of these states. does it worry you, and could it explain what is going on right now in these close battles? >> so it may very well be doing that, neil, because you see you know, you see a lot of states for like colorado. colorado used to be a very, you know, red state. then it personned purple, now it turned blue because all people from california moved in. you see that a bit in florida. people moving from new york, connecticut, new jersey to

florida and taking their liberal ways with them. there are signs going across the border into texas and see big billboards, say, keep your liberal ideas outside of our state. so there is a bit of that. but what is very clear is that there is a blue state meltdown. those states like new york, connect cut, new jersey, my home state of illinois, massachusetts, rhode island, california, minnesota, they're just being melted down of people, as you see a deluge of people going to the red states. sometimes you're right, neil, they take their voting patterns with them. neil: so if they do, it's a matter of time before the temptation to see high taxes could evidence itself, right? >> you know, i don't see that. i mean, listen, we've, i've been listening to liberal says for 25 years they will turn texas blue. and that has not happened. maybe that will happen on tuesday. i severely doubt it. we have a study that shows that the, biden agenda will cost the

southern states $1.8 trillion. it is, biden's agenda is basically a big income transfer from red states to blue states because he wants to get rid of the, right to work laws in the southern states. he wants to impose a 15-dollar an hour minimum wage on the southern states. the blue states already have 15-dollar an hour minimum wages. he wants a 450 billion-dollar blue state bailout paid by red southern states. people should wake up to, you know, what this agenda means for those, for those red states. neil: we'll watch it closely. steve moore, thank you. illustrate that point, where do you think joe biden is campaigning today? georgia. the course. but new ways of working demand a new type of network. one that's more than just fast. you need flexibility- to work from anywhere. and manage from everywhere. advanced technology. with serious security.

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neil: we were just talking to the libertarian the third candidate in this race, joe jorgensen who is on all 50 state ballots and traditionally the argument comes up that a third-party candidate is just a spoiler, she did not like that but in a way she endorsed that, take a look. neil: spoiler, i know you did not like that term when we chatted before but that's what they're calling it now, how do

you answer that? >> it is not so much that i don't like the term, i would love to be a spoiler because that would mean i'm making a difference. neil: we should point out that jorgensen is pulling better than the gap between donald trump and joe biden in four key states, that also goes almost for georgia where the race is appraising the close right now between joe biden and the president, could that have the effect of tipping it in joe biden's favor, if you argue that she is more likely to take votes away from the republican guys than the democratic candidates, there's no guarantee, hillary vaughn is in warm springs georgia where will hear from the former vice president today. >> if you look over my shoulder you'll see biden's motorcade driving by, he is working his

way through trump supporters and biden supporters that are walking in front of the police escort going to be leadings biden motorcade, part one of his closing argument here in warm springs georgia to the american people, it is not just rare, to spot the democratic nominee in the south this close to election day is the first time that any georgia voter will have spotted biden in the cycle and his campaign today is explaining why that is. >> we are keeping as many paths to 270 as open as we possibly can, we are talking to a wide slot the voters, that does not mean were abandoning the true blue line states or the priority states to get us to 270.

>> even one week out from election day biden is not changing the strategy, he is still opting for invite only exclude exclusive events were people hoping to get a glance at him like many on the side of the road, their only shot to do that is to spot him in the motorcade but biden descended his decision to keep voters at arms length and shot out for most of his events yesterday. >> the difference between us and the reason why it looks, we are not putting on super spreaders, we are doing what were doing here, everybody is wearing a mask and trying the best we can to be socially distant. >> because biden's events are not open to the general public, they are typically chosen for one of two reasons to strategically choose and target local media in a key county that he needs to win or somewhere that is significant to and highlights the message that he is trying to send and that is

the point of him being in warm springs georgia a place sought to heal and utilize the warm springs to heal from polio and were biden will deliver his message, his pitch and his solution to try to heal the soul of the nation, that's a key message used to kick off his campaign in the message he wants to drill into voters in the final week before election day. neil: thank you very much of long springs georgia, in 1945, let's go to casey siegel in texas, texas leads the nation in early votes, more than 7.3 million have already done so, casey is in dallas with more. >> good to see you, it is a dreary day in texas parts of the state woke up to snow this morning and right now in dallas it's an unseasonably mid 30s and the windchill and we seen a

whole lot of people walking in and out of the building back here near downtown dallas where people are showing up to early vote, i tell you the early voting records have been broken across the lone star state in the last few days cities like dallas, houston, austin all surpassing 2016 early voting numbers, it ends friday with an estimated 7.8 million, 7.8 million ballots cast, more than 7.4 million in california updated numbers were some voters see increased wait time then more than 6.4 million early votes already cast in florida. >> is really important the selection, a lot is at stake and i feel if you have the privilege to vote you should go out and exercise your opinion. >> we have more video to show you, look at the line reported

in marion county indiana over eight hours this past weekend in the indianapolis area and back here in texas there are reports and whispers that kamala harris could be visiting the state on friday and making a stop in houston and then fort worth area, the latest clear politics average puts president trump ahead in texas by three-point to percent. neil: that is very surprising, thank you very much for that, casey siegel, we are waiting to hear from the president, he is going to lansing michigan for the first of three stops tonig tonight, we are told he is talking to reporters right now on the south lawn, when that comes available we were share

that with you, the fox news political analyst, the new battle for chicago host, much, much more we also have christie with us, democratic strategist extraordinaire, i begin with you on all of the early voting, hard to quantify exactly how much democrats voting versus republican voting, we know it favors democrats early on but it does not mean democratic votes, what you make of it whether this is an indication and i'm passing it participation or just stealing what traditionally has been election day voting. >> there is no doubt there is a lot of passion in the polls this year, we should reflect on what a beautiful thing this is, there were many reasons to suspect that people might not be getting to the polls in this big of number as they have in the past, first covid has made it so much more difficult for so many people who have lost their jobs and people who have been infected by covid who might be sick and who might be trying to care for children full-time while they're trying to work full-time and people said we are not going to use the post office because we think it might be our

ballots make it slow down, we will vote early, we will wait in very long lines if we need to, the fact that people are doing this and adapting shows that there's tremendous energy right now, that's why we will see historic number of people who finally did get out to the polls when the final count has had in november. neil: you think it should be a worry for the president? >> no, i will say no only because we seen some states where registered voters and republicans have been doing better or just as well as democrats, you talk about the state of florida as an example, i know there has been an up rise look at 2016 in the state of pennsylvania there was about 80000 mailing votes cast, this primary is about 1.5 million, another's consideration about how concerned we should be about the polls and i think as a

republican and as a conservative i'm always into an with the polls but i know the polls don't vote in nine out of 12 recent polls and swing states president trump is gaining ground and in seven states in particular if you mailed in your vote, you can vote in person to change your vote if you want to, enthusiasm is on the president side but of course we will not know until we know what this election is going to turn out to be. neil: there's been a lot of criticism of the vice president is conservative, not his philosophy but his campaigning stance where he barely ventures out, playing it safe. do you ever worry that the president with all the raucous rallies around the country that it is getting the better of joe biden and might be gaining significant ground as a result? >> the thing that you might worry about we might have worried about months ago is the

president would have a better picture for tv and he would be surrounded by a picture of cheering fans and obviously does not make for as good as a photograph to have the drive and rallies that they are having or biden with a smaller number of people, that is actually been turned on its head because in the wake of trump having the super spreader rallies and the kobe cases have gone up and the one thing biden has been somewhat denied this cycle is the ability to do a lot of in person voter contact, that is something that is made with a number of campaigns, it is worried that you will have to make that up through phone, digital, lesson person contact but the truth is, what we see in the polls, has not seem to have mattered, they've got the voters out and got it out early and got them out enthusiastically, at this point you can't argue with

success. >> i want to talk about enthusiasm, this week on my podcast i interviewed "fox & friends" we can host and he was talking about the enthusiasm and how trump supporters to vote for the president. >> because president trump -- they have voted some have mailed in but president trump said he wanted to go to the polls, but the whole old conservatives have been pushing folks to go to the polls and that's what we are seeing, we wondered in 2016 with the rallies translated to votes and they did, i have no reason to believe that that will not be the case this year. neil: a passionate vote support for the president might be something but it is the same vote for a person who might not

be about the other guy but it's very jazz about making towards your guy, the same ballot same vote and count the same. >> they do count the same but enthusiasm suggests that the person is actually going to show up in a lot of folks who may be voting for joe biden, they're not enthusiastic about doing it so they could or cannot show up especially with polls. >> let's say there's two thirds of the 65 million we already have, it's a mute point. >> it would be a mute point if we knew the ramification of those votes, we do not know, we only assume the majority are in favor of joe biden, we really don't know the answer to any of these things and we will not know the answer until next week. >> we've seen that on a lot of different things, based on the fact that one quarter of the people whoever devoted right now

are people who did not vote in 2016, those models significantly more democratic, we know based on the types of people going to the polls early a lot of women, people of color and younger voters, those are all democratic and we know based on the fact the way that their voting, voting by mail which donald trump is consistently said he does not believe is a good way for people to get out the vote, there is lots to believe that the people who are getting out right now are the vast majority of whom are democrats. and they have a different policy right now. neil: doesn't trouble you that normally the guy that works the hardest wins in the last time the strategy to sit it out from your home or whatever, not a in ivanka, he ran his whole gang from the front porch, covered at that year end that is about the only time, the only time where the guy i'm not saying joe biden is nailing it in but i can tell

you he won, mckinley one, that was only time something like that happen, do you worry for whatever reason the virus, i get it that he appears to be kind of mailing it in. >> there's two reasons to go to the polls, you really like the guy you're voting for and the other reason you really hate the other guy, the truth is, a number of democrats and independents and even some republicans are motivated by wanting to vote out donald trump, even more so than they want joe biden to win, the negative partisanship is something that is tremendously motivating to millions and millions of americans, the truth is that of course, there are many people who are not going out there to vote because they think they joe biden is the

person that they want to win the primary, democratic primary, he's the guy that were getting behind and what they really want is a number one objective to make sure donald trump does not serve another four years. >> one very quick point, i wrote a piece for foxnews.com that is on their and it's called a hit in trump vote in the mr. the 2020 election and i encourage people to go read that, what i argue in there, there is one element or demographic of voters that a lot of people have not necessarily discussed which could go well and president trump's favor and that is black and hispanic men which have been trended upward donald trump and if you get a significant enough portion of that is a whole different ballgame and people have been talking about especially black men would really be going out yelling i'm voting for donald trump that's another mystery of the 2020 election, we will find out next week. neil: i love that piece she left out the whole william mckinley so i said all right. good job, thank you very much. we will see how it pans out,

passion through the other guy out. let's go to charlie gasparino focusing on a number of things including a quest for cnn that has some very interesting players. >> put this in the genre of her on the street i used to write the column back in the day when i was a young reporter when you heard of speculation, this is hot and heavy speculation that cnn could be for sale in the meyer of cnn could be none other than jeff bezos the amazon founder currently owner personally of the washington post and what banking sources are saying these are the media banking source meant on major deals i've been covering media and banking stories for a long time, it is rampant that jeff bezos is interested in buying cnn and obviously we should point out that fox business has not been able to confirm baeza's interest and he

is not told us that, cnn has declined to comment all the people at at&t the. company for cnn has said that they have not really received any interest from jeff bezos just yet, still the reason why record stories like this deal is maybe foreshadowing something might come in the future, at&t is looking to shed assets they were massive under massive debt load and time warner spent a lot of money fighting porting court over the objection of antitrust of the trump administration, now they need to shed some assets, cnn is an asset that does make money although it's in third place in terms of rating from what i understand is profitable and also a lot of talk inside at&t that they're uncomfortable having content in distributed through their wireless networks that they run right now, they would like less controversy or

content, no one is that qualms with turner classic movies but cnn is a lightning rod and you know why with republicans, we should point out that at&t is shedding assets, we should also point out that jeff bezos is building a media company on his own. neil: we will look at that, i'd want to go to the president speaking at joint base andrews on his way to michigan. [inaudible] >> many states are doing very well, florida is doing great. but were doing very well -- [inaudible] [inaudible question]

>> they have been so restrictive and they don't want to show corruption like they have with biden and everybody knows it, they're trying to protect understand room coming from, nobody's ever seen anything like it. nobody's ever seen anything like were witnessing, it's crazy, i think it's a very sad time and it's a very sad area for the media. [inaudible question] >> we have nine or ten, i think we will have all of them.

>> after your elected. >> after. [inaudible] we have five definite and i think we'll have another five he is a very highly expected warrior. [inaudible] i'm pretty excited about it and i been working over the last 30 years. [inaudible question]

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you can only campaign one way, that is getting out of bead with the people in talking with the people, i think you're going to see a pickup over the next couple of days for both candidates but this is only way that you can campaign and win an election especially in election of this magnitude. neil: governor, how are you dealing with containable spikes but spikes nonetheless in your state just like 39 other states, what is the best way to handle this, the president says were never going to shut things down again but we're seeing that happening across europe right now, how do you handle this and juggle this. >> good question, we learned a lot about this virus, they got half right with early modeling in february and march we thought many more people would get sick

and many more people would die but what they got right is a tightly contagious, one of the most contagious as viruses we've seen in recent memory but the death rates are falling relative to the number of cases that are rising and the hospitalization rates are falling relative to the number of cases racing. we have learned how to treat those that are infected, all what we also learn those that were infected were our most honorable when you look at italy, new york, seattle, those were older folks, underlying health conditions, what we've done in alaska as we are working very hard to protect those folks at our senior centers and pioneer homes in your seen a younger demographic being infected in which the disease often times a little or no symptoms, there is no doubt i don't think anyone any doubt or for one moment that this virus is not going to spread, this is why we are all hopeful with the vaccination on the near horizon that we will get this under

control but what were also finding if you restrict your economy and society too much you get other issues that manifest themselves, mental health, emotional issues, family issues, educational issues, university students, it is really a race in some respects against time in terms of the vaccination but you gotta have a balance to keep your society, economy, state and country running and that's what were all trying to do, all governors are trying to do this in all 50 states and the president as well. neil: real quickly, the tension with china right now even fear that china could prevent any of the rare minerals including yours, you have a good many of them yourself and that could change everything, you've initiative a number of efforts to make sure that doesn't happen, can you expand where things stand. >> this pandemic is unmasked in

many respects the weaknesses of globalization and don't get me wrong i'm for fair trade, i think it's good for us and good for the world but what it shown, we cannot put ourselves in a vulnerable position where we have foreign actors that control the supply chain of our critical minerals in our strategic minerals as well. for example senator cruz of texas has put forth a bill which hopes to bring home to america our ability to have a complete supply chain and strategic minerals where we would mind them, process them and turn them into product so especially our defense capabilities would be in the hands by having as much of this home instead of relying on imports and other places such as china, it is really about making america stronger in making america more secure in terms of defense in making sure we can deal with her critical minerals here in the united states. i think it's a good approach but

the senator is taking in something that we as americans should have it here in america. neil: thank you very much, be healthy, be well. thank you, sir. in the meantime the dow down 90 points, when we come back we will take a look at all the early voting acts and when did those ballots get out there and get returned, there was an experiment that eric shawn din to test the system, we will hear what he found out. after this. ♪ and i'm 52 and i live in san francisco, california. i have been a sales and sales management professional my whole career. typical day during a work week is i'm working but first always going for a run or going to the gym. i love reading. i love cooking healthy. it's super important to me. i was noticing that i was just having some memory loss. it was really bothering me. so i tried prevagen and it started to work for me. i wish i had taken prevagen five or ten years ago.

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best described as purple today, in tempe arizona with the very latest. >> when the president arrived here tomorrow, this will be his seventh trip to this once reliably red state, that is just this year he's been coming time and again, as the vice president to also be here later this week, but the gop feels they still have hope and i'll tell you why, i want to take a look at the usa today average of averages, that is because while biden is ahead by 2.7 points, the president compared to last week is gaining a little bit is not a reflection of his time spent here, we don't know for sure but we do know the former vice president has been to the state once since august. >> it's not about presence it's about the values and what you're fighting for, people know will work hard in the empathy and the courage and the passion and the

confidence. >> what is happened since trump one and 16, the state has grown in the growth and democrat -- demographic changes, folks moving from california either take the credit or the blame for democratic wins two years ago. >> i am in doubt about the outcome on either side, i do believe donald trump is going to win arizona, i do but below president from the u.s. senate to her own legislature, things are in flux, the energy is normally the indicator. >> sandbars also did say even though the behavior by the president, they will vote for him even though he has some jig gas three about him, i checked

with our bosses and they said i could use that term so i did. neil: very classy, thank you very much, alicia acuna jan tempe arizona, you heard 65 million have already voted right now, that's a lot of ballots have to be counted and leave it to our hard-working eric shawn to test the system with hundreds of ballots just to see how it goes and how it went, eric what did you find out. >> myself and the fox news investigative i.e. team, eifert a lot about people being worried about putting your ballot in the mail so we took 500 replica ballots, went over to the post office boxes and postal bins and went to see what happens. >> an e-mail this for me. >> started on september 14 fox news mailed 500 replica ballot envelopes from and within chicago, dallas, los angeles,

miami and new york, we mailed 100 envelopes from each city, 20 addressed to this po box that we read your treaty, this is the first envelope that i will mail as you can see we replicated the size and weight of a typical ballot, we will not only see how long it takes for these ballots to get to the po box in manhattan but we will see of some cities are slower. >> our new york team and i mailed out our ballots for more than a dozen mailboxes within 6n fact new york and los angeles added 100% every envelope from the city's arrived the longest took eight days but a chunk from miami is still missing and one envelope mailed from chicago never showed up. as of today out of the 500 envelopes that we mailed 11 did not reach their destination, of those nine are mia, to return

mailed ballots, and all 2% of the total mailing never made it. >> by law the u.s. postal service expedites to put special emphasis on election know because it's marked election mail and clearly our letters were not official election mail, the postal service spokesman says they're putting complete stress on the timely and secured delivery, that is their number one priority of all election mail and they said they cannot substantiate the test a reasonable approximation of election mail, it kinda gives you an idea that according to the inspector general's report released last week at the post office to mail has slowed down in the postal inspector general report blames some of the trump administration actions for that, i suppose if you've got a ballot and want to put in the mail do it as soon as you can and we will be on the lookout for those 11 pieces of mail that are still

missing, there were none in the po box that we checked last night. neil: if you think about it, the 2% air missing rate and we get 100 million mail-in ballots also done, that would be a couple of million ballots that are just lost, is not within their margin or their acceptable margin, did they ever describe it to you. >> no, scientifically the election mail and ballots do have special markings and put emphasis on that, i'm wary of trying to have correlation between our percentages and what could potentially happen, the postal authorities at night under the rules they are supposed to go through the florida post office and check all the election mail and get that out and you see in the catalog of victoria's secret,

you'll get the election mail the stress going on that first unlike what we had. neil: it would be neat if the ballot was tucked into a victoria's secret catalog, that would be a fairly different matter to address, thank you very much that was very interesting, i distress the d.o.j. prosecutor to talk about just a spirit but i wanted to pick your brain, if we have a 2% error or missing rate on mail-in ballots, it's very risky to extrapolate from a $500 under ballot 280 million, if there's 2% missing or screwed up rate, is that the stuff of potentially hundreds of legal challenges that could go to the supreme court. >> the missing ballots and lessers in attentional component, probably not that is systemic air and horrifying, if 2% of the election can be made

gated when we only have a four or 5% swing between the candidates and semi- blowing concept. i hope they get their act together, that is not even talking about intentional fraud this is about error, i don't know anything that will generate particular or fruitful litigation. neil: of course, the big difference would be battleground states where a few ballots can make a huge difference, having said that, it does get us into the original plan discussion and that is just a spirit can take on these issues should a number of these election issues come before the court this year, the democrats are saying recuse yourself now, first of all we don't know whether there will be anything to recuse yourself from, what is the procedure on that, what are the standards or whether a justice should recuse

herself. >> there has to be an actual conflict of interest or an imputed one where there's a serious appearance of conflict the easy version if there's a corporation before the supreme court in litigation and the justice own stock whether there is a vested interest in determining the case one way or another that is not particular, does happen from time to time and what happened she would consult her colleague, no super supreme court to go ask but she would talk to the other colleagues to make a determination yet say yes or no and expand her reasoning in the party that the litigation can pursue refusal as well, they think there is a reason to refuse and they can put that into the pleadings and give it a shot, the problem is the government entered going to link her to the trump administration the government is a frequent flyer when it comes to the supreme court, it's absurd to think by being nominated by the chief executive you are out of all cases involving the government, ultimately a lot of wishful thinking and the public tantrum taking place but not a

likelihood that she's going to find herself on the sideline for any of the postelection mess that would come to the court's. neil: a sound like it would be her call, there might be other justices and we've seen the better part that you should sit this one out, they're not going to do that. >> not publicly, at least it would be a historic moment if one of them did, this is the kind of thing that she would assess and consult with the colleagues there and she would make a decision i don't think you're gonna see a lot of fireworks in open court about the issue and there is not much traction in general. neil: james trustee, thank you very much. in the meantime we are so focused on what's going on, did you know there is water on the moon, it is not like drinkable but apparently it is changing the entire thought of the lunar

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neil: there might be water on the moon, there's been a suspicion that it does exist but not in the traditional way like lakes or large ponds but in particle and molecules really but we used to think on the far

side of the moon and the dark polar packets but this is on the brighter side of the moon and staring us in the face, astronaut tom jones on the significance of this, i was thinking of you with this discovery because we also heard about maybe water presence on the atmosphere of venus and the possibility embeds in the surface of mars, what is going on with the water revelations. >> the water hits the gold of space exploration, if we can find water anywhere whether it's on the moon nearby that means it opens the way for human explorers in a permanent human presence because it's drinking water, bring it into oxygen and hydrogen and make rocket fuel, where you find water it makes the exploration a lot easier. neil: how do we get audit and how do we use it, we return to

the moon, which i guess we are, how would that be helpful and how will we take advantage of that. >> if you're going to the south or notes under north poles, we think there are sheets or deposit of ice underneath the soil in the dark craters that never see sunlight it is been locked up for billions of years, the new discovery says even on the sunny phase of the moon there is probably water locked up in shadow dark cold spots that might be a small centimeter up to a kilometer in size, you might find the coal traps were ten or 20% of the inventory is in the sunny areas, might be a lot easier to get to but the current discovery says and 1 cubic meter of lunar soil there might be a 12-ounce bottle of water equivalent, that is a valuable resource that we could tap into and you only don't have to live at the south pole. neil: how do you tap into something that is like a soda bottle. >> the water molecules are like the ones we drink out of our tap

and all you have to do is get the water liberated by baking the soil with solar energy and melting ice was craters and bring it up tens or hundreds of degrees in the water molecules of operate and you trap them in a cold trap or distillation unit and you have water in your tank and chill it down and make it into oxygen and hydrogen. neil: obviously it changes our thinking of what we do and how do we get to the moon and start tapping this, whether it's implications for using the moon as a launching pad for discoveries elsewhere. >> i think because we have the valuable resource that her fingertips literally at the southern and northern polar regions of the moon and we can search for it in more sunny places that might be scientifically more interesting, anywhere we can go instead of a water extraction, we might have to turn over a lot more salt to get out in the temporary regions of the moon but unlocks the

potential of not having to bring all the water, rocket fuel et cetera from earth instead you can make what you need on the moon, that cuts the cost directly in half, you have to haul in a return fuel from earth and it's a long-term plan to exist on the moon that asteroids or mars. neil: there's always been the deal where there's water there's life, obviously that might be a stretch on the moon but maybe on mars and venus or are we taking leaps that we should not hear. >> i think life on place like mars where we have plentiful water in the form of ice below the surface and you cannot rule out the satellites, jupiter and saturn where there are salty oceans beneath the icy crust where there is warm water energy source from it. those are the big promising potential areas maybe in the atmosphere although i'm

skeptical of that, on the moon not so much but the moon is a place where we learn how to operate on the surfaces and other worlds and extend the experience in the technology of creating rocket fuel to water to the other bodies. neil: the notion that we are drilling in the lunar surface and getting a secretion of some source, that is not likely, just what we can do with the water that we find. >> you use the water as your resource to generate rocket fuel to fuel up rocket ships that could go out and beyond. neil: that is how cool you are, an american hero. only a hero could do it, thank you very, very much, extraordinaire. ♪ we're prepared for the future. surprise! we renovated the guest room, so you can live with us. oooh, well...

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