hey, sica and bubba, i mean, you've go to love a show that has that to close us out. there goes the closing bell, markets wrap up october with a less frightening close than we saw midday, but we are down two months in a row. thank you so much for hanging with us on this hour of "the claman countdown." we will see you monday. ♪ ♪ connell: well, we wrap with up a rough week on wall street but do come off the lows at the end. we're only four days out now until a presidential election. i'm connell mcshane, this is "after the bell." the market was dragged downed today by big tech. the nasdaq the worst of the bunch. the dow down 150 plus, the nasdaq down about 2.5%. we also will be reporting on the record jump in coronavirus cases as we have been throughout the week. so the fear of lockdowns so out there as well. apple, its stock down about 5.5% at the close today. amazon, 5.5%, facebook more than 6%. the results we brought you first

yesterday from those companies, the reaction today, apple slammed by falling iphone sales, but you might remember the company was relatively optimistic for the iphone 12. that said, not a good day for the tech stocks today. now, for the week, the market really had a rough week. the dow down 6.5%, so that's almost 2,000 points. it was at one point, 1800 at the close. the s&p and the nasdaq both down more than 5% apiece for the week, so it's the worst week since march, also the worst month since march for the market. the dow down more than 4 percent for october, 4.6. the s&p and nasdaq also off for the month a little less than 3%. they're all red for the second month in a row. so that's where we are. now, the s&p since the 3rd of august is something we've been tracking as well. we'll get back to that in one moment. the president is speaking before he boards the plane. let's listen to this, and we'll get back to the market.

>> and -- since 1972, but i think were of a good chance. there's tremendous -- it's a great place. i like it, i have a lot of friends there, so i we'll see what happens. i think it's crazy when you have 25,000 people want to go very wide, very open, outside, and they want to go and they say 250 people? the i think it's a very bad decision by the governor. but they were hoping i'd cancel, and i'll go up to see the 250 people. thank you very much. >> [inaudible] almost nothing about the -- [inaudible] connell: all right. president trump just about to get into the presidential limousine there. he's been on the campaign trail all day and will be throughout the weekend, but he was referring to his trip to the state of minnesota where there have been limitations put on how many people he can have at aal rally there. the president claiming that was an attempt to have him cancel the rally which he will not do. he'll go there even with the 250 people. we do close up lower on wall

street. what what i was going to say about the market in the last three months is what is down ahead of the election sometimes for the incumbent. if it's the opposite, it often predicts the incumbent will do well if it's up. but let's stay on the campaign trail now that we've heard from the president. hillary vaughn is in milwaukee, wisconsin, one of the key states that we're watching today. hillary? >> reporter: connell, what's interesting about the president's comments about minnesota is joe biden was asked that same question, why he's going to minnesota today, because it's a reliably blue state that democrats have consistently won. and his trip there today is calling into question if he feels like he's on defense especially with president trump targeting it, really trying to flip that state. but both candidates are not just going there, they're also popping up here in wisconsin. president trump headed to green bay, wisconsin, just an hour and a half north of here. biden will be here in milwaukee doing a drive-in event. but both candidates have been

making the economy a central focus of their final pitch to voters. so we talked to voters this afternoon here in milwaukee about who they think is the best person to lead this country through an economic recovery. and why is that? >> well, better than the alternative. >> he takes covid more seriously, and i think the more seriously we take it, the sooner we are getting back on track in our economy. >> i think trump proved his record of being able to get the economy back going. >> reporter: and, connell, that was just a snippet of conversations that we've been having with voters here, but it really a tale of two candidates. people that support trump think he's the best person to get businesses back open, but people who support biden think he's the best person to contain the virus are, and they see that as the only way to get businesses back open. connell? connell: yeah. two different approaches. hillary, thanks, hillary vaughn

in wisconsin. and two different approaches on the campaign trail, which has been really interesting as well, because, you know, the president is literally going to try to outcampaign joe biden for the next few days as he did, some would argue, to hillary clinton four years ago. his schedule's only out for the weekend. starlet -- starting tomorrow, the president has 14 rallies for three days, 4 saturday, 5 sunday and 5 monday. 14 in three days. one of the things he talked about earlier, one of the factors playing into this market decline, was a stimulus plan or lack of so far. let's bring blake burman in with the latest report on that and some more. blake? >> reporter: connell, we've been following the ebbs and flows for weeks into months now. now it appears potentially we are in the name-calling portion of the negotiations. i'll take you back to a public letter that the house speaker, nancy pelosi, sense to the treasury secretary, steve mnuchin. he was a bit perplexed at the

public letter portion of it considering those two have been talking for weeks now. pelosi spelled out the democrats' concerns. mnuchin fired back calling that a, quote-unquote, political stunt. pelosi was asked today, and keep in mind here, or -- congress, these two have gotten some pretty big thingses done, but pelosi was asked if the relationship between these two, the top two negotiators, has soured. listen here to her response. >> it doesn't matter what our relationship, it matters what the truth is. and the truth is that this administration has failed miserably in responding to this virus. >> reporter: sorry for the sound there. she said it doesn't really matter what our relationship. she, down the home stretch, by the way, as far as president trump is concerned, he said he believes the house will flip and that a package will happen after the election. here he was on his way out to trail earlier today. >> we will have a tremendous

stimulus package immediately after the election. and i think we're going to take back the house. ing i think we're going to do very well in the senate, a little bit more complex, frankly. and i think we're going to have a fantastic presidential election. >> reporter: president trump saying he thinks the house will flip because of all of this. nancy pelosi, when asked about that, called that, quote-unquote, delusional. you're looking at mitch mcconnell right now, the reason why is because he said today he believes action will not happen until the beginning of 2021, meaning several months down the line. of course, we will all have to see what unfolds next week and what the political climate looks like going forward then. connell? connell: yeah. i don't know about the house, but the senate control, that is a big one for next week. make, thank thank you. blake burman on the north lawn. steve forbes with us, "forbes" media chairman. you put all that together, i know the president is, obviously, in campaign mode, but he's been talking about this, that we're going to get this huge stimulus after the election

if he wins and, you know, i'm not sure whether that would be the case or not because, to blake's final point, it all depends on control of the congress, i would think. how do you see things? >> well, also actually who wins the presidential election -- connell: of course, that. [laughter] >> keep the senate, keep the white house and i think you're going to see the passage of a stimulus bill because of the people have spoken that is going to leave out a lot of the junk that nancy pelosi wants to put in, most specifically e a massive bailout of mismanaged states like illinois, new york, new jersey and california. that is the bug sticking point. -- big sticking point. and also bailouts for the post office and more contributions to the kennedy center and all that kind of stuff and just focus on getting money to people, another round of stimulus checks, get more money for small businesses especially removing some of these onerous restrictions so they don't have to be crushed by the debts they've awe cumulated. is so -- accumulated. so i think you're going to get a

constructive package on this coronavirus crisis that'll actually help the economy instead of drag it down. connell: speaking of restriction on business, all that we've within hearing this week, we're showing these charts of the market, it's kind of in that direction whether it's the fact that they're not getting money to help them out when they need it or it's the idea that they're afraid there's going to be more lockdowns put in place. there was a headline late in the day from san francisco where the mayor there has at least paused the reopening. they were going to open the indoor pools and bowling alleys, the locker rooms of the gyms, but the mayor said, no, no, we're not going to do that yet. couple that with what we've been hearing in europe, and people think we're going backwards in terms of how we're going to handle this virus. what do you think's going to happen? >> i think you're going to see the continued division, tale of two ways of approaching the virus between primarily blue states and red states. and that is i think the red states are going to take a more pinpointed approach. look at texas where el paso is a disaster area, so you focus resources there, you shut down

there, put in more hospital facilities there to take care of that hot spot. but closing down the whole economy is the wont of states like new york and cities like new york city. that's going to hurt the economy. so overall, i think you're going to see red states do well economically, better than the blue states. but i do think some of the blue states are going to get a wake-up call, especially illinois where it looks like the proposal of the governor to have this massive tax increase is going to go down to defeat which wouldn't have been foreseen a few weeks ago. and in california, looks like that referendum which would slam businesses, especially small businesses, that may go down to defeat. so again, i think the character of the response to the coronavirus going to be to help be determined by this election. i think, hopefully, the blue states realize you can take a more targeted approach instead of this big slamdown that some people fear. they don't fear the coronavirus itself. we know so much more about it. we have better therapeutics

about it than we did six or seven months ago. they fear the reaction that the democrats win the white house and you get a national lockdown again. that's the fear, is the reaction to the virus, not the virus itself. connell: what do you think the market is telling us? right before we went to the president speaking there, i was going to bring up this stat, and we'll put it up on the s&p 500 three months before the election. that'd be the 3rd of august this year, and up until this week, this would have been a good indicate orer for president trump. but with the selloff we've had, the s&p is lower by a little bit. it came back at the end of the day, pretty much break even, down a little bit. and the reason i mention that is because this has been one of those uncanny indicators that, since '84, if it's up in three months, the incumbent party wins , if it's down, they lose. for what it's worth, it's been right. it's about break even now. i guess the reason people look at it is because the reason the market is moving would tell you

about the political climate and tell you about the incumbent president. what does it tell you this time? >> what it tells me is uncertainty and fear that if the democrats do run the table on tuesday, this economy's going to be in for a terrible time and so will the stock market. i'm amazed it's held up as well as it is. i think the reason it's holding up is the belief that whatever the polls say, donald trump has a very good chance of winning on tuesday. the markets actually really believe those polls, you would see a far bigger selloff than what you have now. because how can the -- connell: you don't why that -- [inaudible conversations] you don't buy into that argument that i've heard from some on wall street and certainly some on the democratic side of the aisle that the market has been running up because they thought there would be a democratic sweep because even if you don't agree with the policies short term, there'd be more stimulus, and that might be good for stocks. you don't buy that, obviously. >> not at all, because where do

they get the money from? from productive people. those resources are not created by government. when government forcibly removes resources from the economy for political purposes, even if they sound nice, end up doing far more harm than good. and there's never been a time in history where massive government spending has led to a sustained recovery. of i think the markets recognize that. not even the 1930s where we had a relapse with these big spending programs, they didn't work. freedom works. what the president did on tax cuts, what he did on deregulation, that works. that enables people to get positive things done. so, no, these wall street economists who believe this nonsense that printing money out of thin air creates prosperity, hopefully they'll find more useful line of work after the election like maybe becoming uber drivers if they're still allowed. connell: nothing wrong with that. steve forbes, thank you, sur. [laughter] tell us what you really think next time, right, steve? have a good weekend. now, as we look at this election four days out, we're

going to talk about the path to victory and break down the fox power rankings. the fight for 270 electoral votes. that's coming up next. plus, the latest threat to our nation's hospitals. they face a rising number of covid cases. and then a different approach to reopening businesses across the country really keeping an eye on disney and the differing guidelines across state lines. we're on the ground in orlando to explain that one. stick around. ♪ ♪ to customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? really? i didn't-- aah! ok. i'm on vibrate. aaah! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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connell: fox business alert as we come b, little executive move just announced, kind of interesting, delta airlines, paul jacobson announced he's resigning to head over and become the chief financial officer at general motors. maybe just wanted to be on the ground more. delta will conduct a global search, so delta's cfo heading to gm. let's get to that narrow path to victory we alluded to a moment ago, ask we want you to take a look at the current projections. this is done by chris stirewalt and his team there. kathy smedley from the rnc -- cassie smedley joins us from the rnc. i thought we could talk a little bit, this is all what it's going to come down to in the last few

days about this, and a what that map showed -- and tell me if i'm wrong about this in your view -- but, to me, five must-win trump states, florida, arizona, north carolina, iowa and ohio, and that brings it to wisconsin and pennsylvania. so wisconsin polls don't look great, is and maybe i'm just saying this because i'm actually going to pennsylvania for the election are, but pennsylvania seems like the path for the president to just get over 270. how do you look at it? >> well, we are seeing -- i think you're right in terms of the states to pay attention to. we are still seeing all options on the table based on our internal data the of wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania, and i'm right there with you, i'll be in pennsylvania for election weekend and election day too. so everybody wants to be where the action is. but i think pennsylvania is not only a great option because it's a lot of electoral votes, but it is peaking at just the right time on the issues with joe biden and his anti-fracking position, pennsylvanians aren't

buying his talking out of both sides of his mouth. and i think that is something to pay attention to why we've seen the polls push into the president's favor. even polls that have been bearish on the president are admitting things are looking good in pennsylvania. and certainly the enthusiasm on the ground there, we had a colleague come back that was there for the last 14 days, and they don't even run into a biden person. people are changing their votes, or getting their family out, voting early, the enthusiasm personal there. connell: right. well, it worked last time in the final stretch, you know? the president was trailing in the polls and largely became the president because, i guess, luzerne county in pennsylvania gave him a big boost, and the whole state did in general. bring up the map a one more time, and, you know, the path's really narrow, right, cassie e? or maybe other states that you think we have leaning blue like nevada, minnesota or michigan are still in play? the numbers just don't look good

there, but how do you expand this, and what other options does the president have to get to 270? >> yeah. so we're actually seeing really good prospects anywhere you look. it is a close race, anybody who tells you otherwise is someone that should not be listened to. we are in an unprecedentedly close election right now, people are really tuning in, and they're also turning out. we're also seeing people vote in a way they never have before not just in the sheer numbers, but in the way they're voting whether it's mail-in, early in-person or going out on election day. when we look at our vote shares still outstanding, we actually have had way more people vote ahead of time than is typical, and then we still have the expected vote share to come on election day. so we feel really optimistic that when you look at those numbers, that's not what you're seeing. polls wouldn't pick that up. so we look at the sheer data, and that's why from at the rnc with the campaign,ing we've invested $350 million in our data operations so that we know

intimately the behavior of our voters, so that we know exactly how to target them whether it's knocking on your door, picking up the phone. so we feel really confident. and like i said, any polling that shows you otherwise is just probably not accurate. connell: you're pushing back on a popular kind of narrative that's out there, so i'd like to explore that a little bit more. i know we got kind of in the weeds on numbers on this, i guess. and around 84 million people have voted so far, and kind of the conventional wisdom that we've been told is that's good for biden, you know, to have these early people coming out because a lot of them are democrats. and you're saying not necessarily? what's the argument are there on the numbers of early voting, from your perspective? >> yeah. so you're right, in the near past history, most recent history, more democrats show up before election day, republicans show up on election day. we expect that to still be the case this year. but what that narrative this

year is not accounting for and what many especially in the mainstream media aren't inserting in there is that those who, of the early vote totals, we are talking more than our typical share of those. for example, in florida we have completely squashed the democrats' early vote lead. we have actually had more early voting in florida. and joe biden is underperforming hillary clinton currently in florida. so that's one of those key states that everybody is looking towards because it's got such clear metrics on traditional early vote and absentee voting, and we're way outperforming what the president did in '16. so that's just one example of the early vote, most people think, oh, that leans in the democrats' favor, and you wouldn't be wrong if you just look at recent elections but when, in fact, we are outperforming our early vote numbers in florida, arizona, ohio. we take that as a good sign as well. connell: all right. well, we'll watch it, obviously, over the next few days.

we'll honk the horn and give you a wave if we pass you somewhere in rural pennsylvania over the weekend. cassie, good to see you, and thanks for coming on. cassie e smedley with the rnc. a path of destruction across the southeast, just a quick note here on hurricane zeta. it has now killed at least six people, leaving more than a million americans across five states without power. battered the gulf coast as a category two, much worse than many people thought. ♪ ♪ ♪ smooth driving pays off with allstate, the safer you drive the more you save you never been in better hands allstate click or call for a quote today

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it, certainly at disney world behind me. at least disney world is open. as you saw, to a limited whats few of 25% -- capacity of 25%. and let me just show you the health protocols. they have limited awe e ten dance -- attendance. advance ticket purchase, as i say, 25% capacity. temperature checks for all guests at the gate. face coverings for everybody two and a half years old and older. hand washing and sanitizer location cans all over the park. with that, disney world has been able to reopen. but i have to say, the numbers have been even more disappointing than was anticipated. now, the problem with disneyland in california is that their restrictions are far, far tight or meaning that they cannot reopen until covid cases and the rate of positivity starts to drop. i spoke earlier today to the ceo of a covid test company, usa

rapid test, and he said, look, california just has to follow the lead of florida. take a listen. >> i believe so. i believe that they put in the correct protocols and follow the same guidelines and regulations that disneyland did or disney world did, then they could both be open. >> reporter: you mentioned the economic impact, connell. that really is the case. to give you some sort of sense, nearly 30 million people came here last year in 2019. this year 80% fewer. and 50% of the people who have come back here since it reopened in july came from florida. so people not wanting to fly having a huge impact on the local economy. but then consider california and disneyland. disneyland contributes by some estimates $8.5 billion to the economy of southern california. it employs 31,000 workers and, by the way, anaheim -- the city

in which disneyland sits -- is facing a deaf sutt of $100 million. so it's a big, big economic deal clearly both in california and here in florida. the problem being, of course, is that even at minimum capacity it's hard for disney to break even here at disney world. but for disneyland given the protocols that are being called for by the california authorities, that may stay closed until the beginning of summer of 2021. and the result, we've seen thousands of layoffs if disney who are just trying to weather the storm just like every other business across this country and, frankly, across the world. connell, back to you. connell: good story, ashley, thanks. we'll watch that in both coasts. with many countries around the world hitting new highs, meantime, when it comes to covid-19, one country in asia has been achieving a different kind of record, 200 days virus-free. we have an infectious disease expert on what they're doing right there and maybe what we can learn from them here.

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connell: the battleground toss-up. we mentioned that pennsylvania and its 20 electoral votes, if things are close, could end up deciding the next president and, indeed, i will be heading there right after the show. we'll have "after the bell" from pennsylvania monday and tuesday, but grady trimble is already in pennsylvania, joining us now. how does the state look so far? >> reporter: well, as you know, this is seen as a must-win for president trump, and we see yard signs for both candidates all over the place here as you might imagine. president trump's schedule in the coming days reflects that his campaign does know that he has to win this state. there are five events here on saturday and monday coming up. but a lot of people have already voted. more than 2 million pennsylvanians have cast their mail-in ballots already.

if you look at the ones that have been returned, 1.4 million of those ballots were sent by registered democrats. that's around three times more than those returned by registered republicans. but president trump hopes and is expecting his supporters to do what he's told them to do all along, which is turn up in person on november 3rd to cast their vote. top of the mind for all the voters that we're talking to in this area, democrats and republicans, is the pandemic. the democrats say the president hasn't done a good job handling the pandemic and getting coronavirus cases under control, but republicans that we've talked to -- especially those who have businesses -- they tell us that they fear another shutdown if joe biden is elected president. so what's going to be key here is those undecided voters. we did talk to somebody who told us he's a democrat, and he will be voting for joe biden, but he worries from his perspective that not a lot of minds have been changed since 2016.

listen. >> to be totally honest, i don't think -- despite everything that's happened, i don't think that people's minds have changed since four years ago. so i just think everyone's been decided since 2016. >> reporter: president trump, on the other hand, hoping for a victory once again, but he barely eked that one out in 2016 against hillary clinton, winning by less than 1% of the vote. we mentioned president trump will be here on saturday and monday. joe biden's campaign will also be here. they say that biden himself as well as his running mate, kamala harris, will be fanning out, as they said, across all four corners of pennsylvania on monday to try to get people to vote for them. connell? connell: yeah. i think it's déjà vu all over again. i was there last time in the final weekend as well. i want to say it was a trump rally maybe in the hershey area, and monday night we were with hillary clinton, jon bon jovi e

and bruce springsteening in philadelphia, which was crazy, but the undecideds went to trump last time. we're told there's fewer this time, the wrinkle seems to be with those mail-in votes, right? and now we have a few extra days to count in pennsylvania, how's that going to work out? >> reporter: yeah. mail-in votes that are postmarked from before the election up until november 6th will be counted after the state gop tried to block that one, went all the way to the supreme court. the supreme court ended up saying we're not going to take this up before the election, but they did leave the possibility open that they could revisit it if pennsylvania becomes a pivotal state in this election. we talked to a republican astronaut senator here in pennsylvania -- state senator here in pennsylvania about that very topic, and he does hope the supreme court revisits it. >> the supreme court has justice thomas, justice gorsuch and justice alito have put out something that saws that we'll see how it goes, and if there's something that isn't right, we

may look at this again. we can only hope that they do. >> reporter: and those votes received after november 3rd that will be counted? they'll be set aside separately so that if it does become an issue as it goes up through the courts potentially, connell, that they know which ones were received after election day. connell: right. which is the issue. they have to be postmarked by election day even if they're received afterwards. they were still mailed in time. it's going to be interesting though because they haven't done it like this before, certainty certainty -- certainly to this extent. grady, thank you. we'll split up the coverage on monday and tuesday and see how it goes. president trump and former vice president biden on the trail through the midwest today. green bay, wisconsin, for the president right now, left side of your screen. he's speaking live. mr. biden, meantime, is about to hold an event, minnesota. that's st. st. paul you're lookg at. peter doocy is with the biden campaign and joins us now. >> reporter: connell, we

expect the former vice president on the ground any minute, and so far from what we've heard from him today at a stop in iowa, he's tailoring his pitch to farmers with a pledge to work with other world leaders if he is elected to confront china for unfair trade practices as opposed to president trump's more unilateral approach. >> i'll mobilize a true international effort to stop china's abuses so we can strengthen manufacturing and farming in iowa and across the country. i'm going to hold china accountable which he hasn't from the pandemic on. >> reporter: here in minnesota there's a different kind of concern about china, that's when it comes to their manipulation of the market price of steel, especially up in the iron range. that is where joe biden visited last month on the first day of early voting. it was his only other visit to the land of 10,000 lakes this cycle, so why the last minute add to the schedule? >> why minnesota? democrats won minnesota in 2016.

are you concerned? >> no, i'm not concerned. we're going to be in iowa, we're going to be in wisconsin, so i thought i'd stop in minnesota. i don't take anything for granted. we're going to work for every single vote up until the last minute. >> reporter: an emcee has been tailoring the message very specifically to the people waiting in their cars, joking that if president trump gets reelected, he's going to get rid of snow days. congress? connell: oh, wow. [laughter] it is interesting, though, that they added minnesota, it really is. i know hillary clinton didn't win it by much, but the polls look good for bind. i don't know if it tells us anything, to your point. peter doocy there. facing an unexpected hurdle, in the meantime, hospitals already seeing a rapid rise in covid cases now dealing with another threat. plus, a monumental day in the history of the new york mets. this is bug for us mets fans. major league baseball owners voting to approve the hedge fund manager steve cohen and his purchase of the mets for $2.4

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♪ ♪ connell: virus-free. taiwan marking 200 days now without a reported case of local covid-19 transmission. so what's going right there? let's bring in an infectious disease scholar at johns hopkins center for health security and maybe what can we learn from them. it's always complicated when you compare countries because they're, obviously, different, and taiwan and the united states are much different. what is happening there, and is there anything we can learn? >> i think there's a lot to learn from taiwan. this is a country that very proactively takes the threat of infectious disease seriously. since 2003 when they were hit with sars which came from mainland china, they've really fortified their ability to respond very quickly. i was part of a team that went to taiwan ten years after sars to evaluate how well they could deal with infectious disease threats, and it was very, very impressive. and you saw them really jump

into action in december of 2019 just on rumors, setting up screenings, being able to do what most countries in the world cannot do, test, trace and isolate. so by doing that, they avoided all of the lockdowns, all of the aggressive social distancing that many other countries had to do. and really they should be in the w.h.o. so we can learn from them. connell: i heard some pushback earlier, somebody talking about it saying that, you know, that kind of thing wouldn't work as well here because we value our freedom, our liberty and we just wouldn't allow it as much to, you know, to track people and to trace them the way that they do it over there. what do you say to that? >> it isn't anything about freedom, and they didn't actually restrict freedom. what i think, if you're going to think about restricting freedom, think about our stay at home orders. that was very different than what happened in taiwan or south korea where they did very targeted public health interventions. and if you are an infected person, if you are somebody that's been exposed to the virus, you don't have the right

to infect other people. contact tracing is something we do all the time, it's the bread and butter of public health. we do it for tuberculosis, that's why we don't have that disrupting our lives, why measles doesn't disrupt our lives because we do contact tracing. it was only with covid-19 that people started to get nervous about contact tracing, but it's been a pillar of public health for a long time, since the time of typhoid march ily. connell: -- mary. and could have avowedded some of the -- avoided some of the lockdowns we had. we'll bring up these figures on the screen, you can look at the uncontrolled spread, as they say. it's now in 39 states around the country, and we've hit new single-day records for reported infections, hospitalizations have been going up. a state like wisconsin earlier in the week had a new record for deaths. these numbers are not good. what's going on here, and what can be done about it? can we control this virus still? >> what we're seeing is this fall acceleration that we

worried about. as it got colder and people moves indoors, what we're seeing is complacency. people are letting their guard down, we've got pandemic fatigue, and i think that's understandable. we still don't have the ability to test, trace and isolate. i don't blame people when they're frustrated and they start to get together with people. but what have to do is fix this and have public health infrastructures that can quickly test people. we can't have turn-around times of five or six days, we need to get home tests where people can test in their homes. connell: right. >> we need to have contact tracers and hospitals are well e cupped to be able to deal with these cases. we can't have this keep repeating itself. of. connell: we just have a limited time, 30 seconds or so, halloween's tomorrow. thanksgiving's after that. do you have advice to families on how they should handle days like that? >> it's going to be a lot of common sense precautions. trick or treating, i think, can be done relatively safely if people try and keep their social distance and wash their hands a

lot and just be mindful. thanksgiving, if you've already mixed with somebody, it's probably okay. if you're inviting people from all over the place, really be careful. try and take some common sense measures, maybe seating people 6 feet apart, washing your hands a lot, trying to sit outdoors, but it's going to be a risk. connell: doctor, it's always good to see you, and we thank you for coming on today. now, antivirus measures for health care systems' computers, want to talk about that now. federal authorities are warning hospitals around the country they're e being targeted by cyber criminals. and for ransomware. let's get to fox's laura ingle who has that story. >> reporter: adding insult to injury for hospitals that are already being pushed to their limit. some which are seeing a rapid rise in covid cases, and the information that they're keeping on the patients that they need to treat is being, basically, held up and locked up by ransomware and cyber criminals. while several hospital systems across the u.s. have already

reported problems, the fbi and two federal agencies say they currently have credible information of a wide-ranging and imminent cyber crime threat to u.s. hospitals and health care providers. the goal of these criminals, to target the health care sector with ransomware which basically encrypts a computer network's data to hold it hostage and will only give the digital encryption key to unlock it for a price. the university of vermont health network says it's working with authorities after a cyber attack the has caused significant ongoing computer network problems for that system affecting its suggestion hospitals in vermont and new york. new york city mayor bill de blasio addressing the threat. >> and, you know, while we're all focused on a host of other problems, we should never go to sleep on the danger of a cyber attack which could be even more devastating. so we're going to continue to take a lot of precautions. >> reporter: investigators have named the ransomware rius

which is believed to be used by a russian-speaking criminal gang, one expert calling it the most significant cybersecurity threat we've ever seen in the united states. the fbi says the ransomware the fastest growing cyber threat in the united states and continues to warn hospitals and health care providers to keep on top of their security systems. back to you. connell: all right, laura. the battle within the battleground. it's an area in central florida, and it might be the key to victory in the sunshine state. we'll tell you why that's the case coming up next. ♪ ♪ on your interests or what's trending. get real-time insights in your customized view of the market. it's smarter trading technology for smarter trading decisions. fidelity.

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>> a steady stream of voters in orlando both on foot and by car, thousand more balance arriving each morning the absentee ballots are first photographed, the signatures are checked and opened by machine and sorted by precinct, flattened out and then scanned. florida can start 22 days before the election day to start sorting the absentee ballots, there's a real chance they can have results on election evening. in orlando were in the heart of the eye for corridor along interstate four, that the key swing state area that many experts say is the key to winning florida's 29 electoral votes. >> i-4 runs from daytona beach into st. petersburg. seven counties, whoever carries four of those seven gets a ticket to the white house since 1996, this is indicated the winner of the election. >> that is likely by both candidates were in tampa yesterday to try to control some of the 1-4 corridor boats to

drum up turnout as well. north of foredeck with the south liberal democrat but here it's along the 1-4 corridor from saint pete to daytona where the real battle is for voters, one in four live within 25 miles of the 1-4 corridor, it can be the most seven important counties in this election. connell: steve, thank you, steve carrigan live employee, we will be talking to you, i'm sure leading up to the election. when you think about florida it's really interesting, if we wrap the night up early on tuesday night, it probably will be because joe biden wins lord, president trump wins the tossup state and then we were on to the other tossup like pennsylvania. speaking of which, be sure to join us next week with a special coverage heading up the election as mentioned earlier i'll be in pennsylvania on monday and tuesday in grady trimble is there and jeff flock in wisconsin ashley in florida,

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