me, but he's been very understanding with all the breaking news that we weren't able to get him on today. i'm going to tape an interview with him right now, and we'll bring you that on tomorrow's program. thanks for joining us on "after the bell." i'm connell mcshane in atlanta, we'll see you tomorrow. ♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. the republic today witnessing some of the most remarkable scenes in american history. you're looking at tens of thousands of president trump's supporters who turned out in washington, d.c. to hear from the period of time of the united states -- the president of the united states, to demand free and fair elections and, and to make their voices heard. following an hour and ten minute long speech by president trump at the save america march, supporters walked from the ellipse just outside the white house on the national mall down

constitution avenue then on to the capitol building. about 1:00 this afternoon, the demonstrations and protests erupted as supporters of the president broke through federal barriers surrounding the capitol. at that time both the senate and the house were in session separately debating the electoral college votes of the state of arizona. congressman paul gosar and senator ted cruz objected to those state's electors as the demonstrations and protests worsened, becoming, in fact, unruly and riotous. the electoral fraud of the presidential election, in their judgment, yet to be resolved, and frustrated protesters swarmed the capitol. vice president mike pence was rushed out of the chambers, and the capitol was put on lockdown. capitol police failed to hold

the crowd back, these tens of thousands of protesters. the capitol police not any match for them. the protesters then penetrated the capitol building itself, and this picture shows one man who even managed to breach the u.s. senate. and there he is. this picture also shows capitol police with guns drawn in the house chambers. guns drawn. and earlier this afternoon house minority leader kevin mccarthy told fox news that he had heard reports of shots fired in the capitol. graphic online video shows a woman with a trump flag around her neck and what appears to have been a gunshot wound. this is not clear if, indeed, she was shot or who would have shot her. in fact, we know very little about what happened, only that a

woman -- according to reports of bystanders and eyewitnesses -- drenched in blood as one of them put it -- was rushed out of the building. outside that capitol building, throngs of trump supporters were seen waving american flags and then scaling walls. they were also seen climbing the scaffolding they used to set up the stage for january 20th inauguration ceremony. capitol the police changed into riot gear and then deployed tear gas in some quarters to disburse crowds as they tried to gain control. president trump, who has been watching, we're told, the chaos unfold from the white house this afternoon directed the national guard as well as, quote, other federal protective services to the capitol building. president trump also urged calm in this video message. >> i know your pain, i know your

hurt. we add an election -- we had an election that was stolen from us. it was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. but you have to go home now. we have to have peace. we have to have law and order. we have to respect our great people in law and order. we don't want anybody hurt. it's a very tough period of time. it has never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us, from me, from you, from our country. this was a fraudulent election. but we can't play into the hands of these people. we have to have peace. so go home. we love you. you're very special. you've seen what happens. you see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. i know how you feel, but go home and go home in peace.

lou: the president of the united states asking those demonstrators, protesters and rioters in some cases to withdraw from the capitol and to, as he put it, go home and go home in peace. fox news congressional correspondent chad pergram has been reporting on the day's developments throughout. he joins us now with the latest. chad. >> reporter: well, lou, it's unquestionable that this was a win today for the mob and not for democracy considering that the house of representatives and the senate was going to certify the electoral college and go through these various states anywhere from 3-6 states that were going -- lou: excuse me. chad, excuse me. we've just heard reports of flash bangs going off inside the capitol. i don't know where you're positioned exactly right now, but are you within earshot of what's going on or within sight of the capitol? >> reporter: we did not hear

those, but we have heard and seen reports there's been instances of those throughout the day. there is a lot of concern here, lou, about other demonstrators, protesters, mob whatever you want to call them here who might still be in the building. they are still trying to secure the capitol, and that's why this is so dramatic, is that, you know, whether or not you agree with what republicans were trying to do or democrats were trying to do today, the house and the senate have to be secure to do their business, and that failed utterly today. there is a waft of tear gas going through the building today. the building is utterly trashed. it's unclear when the house and senate will be able to -- lou: chad, i want to interrupt you again. i want to interrupt again and explain as i should have at the outset that the audience is looking at live pictures of the capitol where, as you can see, demonstrators, protesters remain

on the capitol grounds, surround in some parts the building and, apparently, a number remain inside the building. i'm a little surprised, i know that the capitol hill police have been overwhelmed here, and it's -- and we've just seen what appears to be another canister explode, two of them, just behind the tower and the trump sign. can you tell us what you know about what is going on right now there? >> reporter: they're trying to disperse these crowds, that's the -- disburse these crowds. i was always told by the capitol police chief that the building was secure, keep the fight outside, and that's what they lost today badly, u.s. capitol police. what they are trying to do, they would always try to have when they had demonstrations, lou, is people can come to the capitol, come to the grounds, but you're kept back a certain perimeter. and when they burst through

those perimeters, thousands upon thousands of demonstrators and scaling the walls and breaking glass and running into the speaker's office and sitting in nancy pelosi's chair, they lost all control. what they're trying to do, you know, the d.c. mayor, muriel bowser, has imposed a 6p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew, they're trying to get people away from the building. that's something that probably, frankly, should have been done a long time ago. just how serious this breach is, they have not had an incursion in a federal building at this level since the british came and burned the capitol in 1814. they burned the white house, they burned the capitol. and to have that happen in 2021 is really remarkable. that's how bad this is,ing frankly, lou. lou: it is bad. i don't know that, how far back in history we have to go in terms of violence. certainly the incursion, the

invasion into the capitol is extraordinary. but at the same time as i listen to some anchors on other networks describing what was happening, you would have thought it was a full-on riot with armed looters going through the building when, as i watched at least on a number of occasions looking at the statuary hall, the protesters who had invaded the capitol were walking between the rope lines. it was really a remarkable scene. we have not heard, i have only heard of one instance of violence, the woman we just reported, who was reportedly shot. we do not know by whom. can you add any further information to both the actual incident and her condition this evening? >> reporter: well, that appeared to have happened outside the speaker's lobby which is just behind the house

chamber there. you're getting pretty close to the house chamber, and i was actually on fox news at the time and looking at a monitor and watching what was going on on the house floor. and jim mcgovern, who was presiding at that time -- democrat from massachusetts -- he was instructing members to get the escape hoods that they implemented for chemical attacks, you know, to be able to move. you had house security officials from the sergeant at arms officials, police officers, breaking out windows to the house chamber, you know, pointing their guns at the demonstrators out in the hall because they didn't know how many people were coming. we don't know who this woman -- lou: why would, why would trained police officers -- just out of curiosity -- why would they draw their guns? what was the threat? >> reporter: again, i can't speak for them, but the idea they were trying to protect, you know, hundreds of members who were inside the chamber. frankly, trying to -- lou: well, i'm not asking you to speak for them. >> reporter: yep. lou: i'm asking you did they

explain why they drew their guns. >> reporter: no, there's been no statement at all from the sergeant at arms office or the capitol police but, again, you just don't have security breaches like that. there was a fellow back in 2006 when they were building the capitol visitors' center who wrecked his car and ran all the way into the basement, and they tackled him there. sometimes the argument has been made that maybe they should use lethal force here. lou: yes. well, just as the country is dealing with trying to constrain lethal force, that would be a poor time to suggest that capitol hill police should draw their weapons on american citizens, most of whom are patriots. that would be sort of a difficult conversation to have, i would think. let's get some sense at least as to when we think that the capitol hill police will have in good order the capitol building.

>> reporter: we have no sense whatsoever. i mean, it's been hours now. in fact, i've been hearing from some members and aides saying why isn't this taken care of so far. you still have people, aides, members huddled in secure locations inside the capitol. they're trying to figure out a plan to get them out. there has been concern, our colleague jake gibson at the justice department, has reported they have found devices with wires and pipes, unclear if they are actually explosive devices or hoaxes but around the capitol grounds, so they're very concerned about getting everybody out and then manager else would happen. but they need the crowd to disburse first. that's the first thing they need to do. they still hours into this do not have control of the capitol. lou: yeah. i wonder why the capitol hill police would not be through the loud speaker system rolling the video and audio of the president imploring these demonstrators and protesters to withdraw and

to return home as the president put it, to withdraw and to do so in peace. it might be very helpful if they would do that because as all of us -- none of us want any violence whatsoever in our nation's capitol or, frankly, anywhere in this country. chad, we appreciate it. thanks so much. chad pergram reporting from the capitol. in the midst of all of this, fox news has called both georgia's senate runoff a races for the democratic candidates. jon ossoff defeating republican incumbent david perdue and raphael warnock beat kelly loeffler. also the incumbent. the senate's balance of power will now be 50-50 with a special joe biden presidency, this will most likely open the floodgates for a host of left-wing policy ideas that have been pushed for

years and will now be pushed, most likely, through congress. joining us tonight is doug wead, adviser to two presidents, presidential historian. doug, first i want to get your reaction to those demonstrators, those protesters and in some cases violent rioters who have descended upon the capitol and have for most of the day controlled, apparently, most of the afternoon, i should say and evening to this point, been in control of the capitol. your reaction. >> yeah. it's disappointing. it's also disappointing to see the news media sensationalize coverage of this. [laughter] i mean, in 1954, for example, we had puerto rican nationals break into the capitol with semiautomatic weapons and fire them from what was then called the ladies' gallery in congress, the house of representatives. lou: right. >> and if you'll remember, in

2017 we had a bernie sanders supporter open fire on american senators and congressmen who were republicans who were practicing for the annual congressional baseball game, and an evening news anchor said that it was somewhat self-inflicted meaning if you're a republican, you should be murdered. [laughter] it was -- so we've, i've been a little disappointed -- lou: that was not on the capitol grounds. >> that was not, but puerto rico was. the puerto rican attack was. lou: the -- right. i was just making a distinction in the case of the second -- >> that's right. lou: we've heard a number of examples here. we've never seen anything like the number of trump supporters who descended on the capitol in

such numbers. i have heard a number of estimates, i'm not sure i'm comfortable as any of them in, but some of them ranging as high as a million in the city itself, we're still waiting to get some sort of accurate count. you know, that's what we in the media do, we've always got to have a crowd count -- [laughter] to give some further depth to the story. there's a good example of what those numbers looked like when they unfurled their flags and stand listening to the president of the united states as they did today. are you surprised that -- first, we're talking about acts of violation. as far as we know, there's been no violence other than one report of a gunshot, a woman shot. we cannot verify that. we have not been able to do so with the capitol hill police or anyone else including witnesses. but have you ever seen this many conservatives in the streets or

certainly taking charge of buildings in the country's modern history? it's, you know, it's just not done. you know, rather sturdy republicans are thought of as being rather staid, apathetic and above this sort of thing and now watching patriots taking lessons from their left-wing brothers and sisters, scaling walls and taking control of buildings. in this case, the capitol, for crying out loud. your thoughts on that. >> yeah. well -- [laughter] the frustration is finally boiling over. 74 million people voted for donald trump, more than any president in history except his opponent now, joe biden. and when there's violence in the street of portland, when policemen are shot in the a head with a gun, there's no outcry. i thought president trump -- lou: yeah. >> -- did very well by condemning this and telling people to go home.

i never heard joe biden condemn antifa or condemn looters from stealing tvs out of targets. i think that president-elect joe biden should be reaching out to these people. if you truly want to unite the country, you should say i know how you feel, we're going to investigate this, let's find out. but -- [laughter] i'm not going to hold my breath. [laughter] lou: his test will come sometime, if it comes, it will come sometime around january 20th. the president, i thought, gave a terrific statement imploring those demonstrators and those trump supporters to go home as he did today. it is, the left-wing media has been interesting today in another way, and you referenced portland, oregon. but there's also milwaukee, there's chicago, there is new

york. ty after city in this country -- city after city in this country in which we watched violence whether it's milwaukee, kenosha, wisconsin, city after city, democrat-led cities -- as is, of course, d.c -- with tremendous violence, death and shootings. it's just stunning to hear how agog the left-wing so-called mainstream media is with what has been to the point at which they took over the capitol a remarkably civil gathering and demonstration. they lost their way when they got to the capitol, obviously. your thoughts on that. and the -- [inaudible] of the left-wing media and, as well, the radical dems. >> well, they're not used to us speaking out. i mean, when i wrote the book "inside trump's white house," it's a best seller in japan and countries around the world, but

it was stopped, blocked here in america. the second largest publisher in the world and twitter wouldn't allow it to be advertised. my life was threatened, my children's lives were threatened, their names exposed, details about their lives exposed. people have kind of had enough. [laughter] so now finally you're seeing people from utah and montana and iowa show up in the capital, i mean, the news media's saying believe what we're telling you. these are the same people who said that joe biden would win by 15%, and now they're saying believe us, trust us, there's no fraud. [laughter] i'm sorry, we're trying to get caught up a little bit here, and we don't believe you. lou: and, obviously, millions of trump supporters and, for that matter, biden supporters just asson thished at the -- astonished over the proceedings of the past eight weeks.

some believe, some disbelieve the charges of fraud. many people though do not doubt their so-called lying eyes and want answers. amongst those surely some in that substantial crowd today. we have to get to the business of our institutions. our courts have not been willing to hear cases which evidence was being presented. they've denied it. our supreme court has twice denied an opportunity to have stopped much of the irregularities and outright fraud that occurred in some states. the court has been cowardly here, in my judgment. frankly, irresponsible. it is, it is frustrating to these people to see what their media does; blackouts of important news items and events and personalities that go

without reporting, putting forward ideas that are left wing or liberal, a culture that has moved decidedly left. they are in some ways, those conservatives, among those supporters which i would imagine to be most of them have to wonder if they're going to be able to get sufficient oxygen in what will be a now-democratic government in its entirety. >> yeah. i'm afraid -- [laughter] i mean, i hate to say it out loud, i'm afraid the democrats are going to go for broke. they've learned the lesson from reagan, they've learned the lesson from clinton, they learned the lesson from obama and then again now with trump that they've got these first two years ask that's it. so they're going -- and that's it. so they're going to rush everything through. and those of us who fear the new socialism and what will happen to this country, you won't feel it on day one. you'll wake up the next day and

everything will seem normal, but it's coming, the tide coming, and it's going to be devastating. america's going to dramatically change for the worse. lou: well, let's hope americans have a way of creating the best -- >> let's hope. yeah. [laughter] lou: we've prevailed, we're resilient, we are more powerful than we are often given credit for or give ourselves credit for. i'm a believer in this country and these people, so i'm going to look forward to how this resolves itself because we know in america these things do get resolved. and usually -- and hopefully -- peacefully. doug wead, great american, thanks for being with us. >> thanks, lou. lou: appreciate it. thank you. deputy department of homeland security secretary ken cucinelli tweeted just moments ago about the chaos at the capitol building. cucinelli tweeting this: for months over the summer we

rightly condemned antifa for storming federal buildings in portland. if you are entering the capitol building against police orders, you must leave. there is a proper venue to resolve grievances. this is not it. it certainly is not. i added that part just for emphasis. for more on what is unfolding in our nation's capital this evening, let's go to fox business correspondent ed lawrence. he has the latest at the capitol. ed, what can you tell the us? >> reporter: lou, reaction is coming in. you mentioned that tweet from ken cucinelli, reaction is coming in from all over the u.s. government. senator tom cotton tweeting out that peaceful protests are okay, storming the capitol is not. in fact, vice president mike pence said this about what happening here, he says, quote, i'm going to read this: peaceful protest is the right of every american, but this attack on our capitol will not be tolerated, and those involved will be prosecuted to the fullest extent

of the law. and this is exactly what the d.c. mayor, muriel bowser, is also saying. she implemented a 6 p.m. curfew, and the police chief of d.c. said that what's going to happen is capitol police will be pushing people off of the capitol grounds out into the city of d.c., and then that curfew takes effect because it does not apply to federal lands. so what you're seeing now with those flash bangs and what you're seeing with that tear gas is pushing people away from the building, away from the u.s. capitol building onto the public streets in washington washingto. where then the curfew would be in effect. you get those protesters to go home. the capitol police as well as atf and fbi are going room to room inside the u.s. capitol. in fact, we've heard reports from some of the producers from fox news they knocked on the door and ushered them out into the downtown -- into the underground tunnels that are underneath the u.s. capitol where they are checking ids of everyone who is going through to make sure they've gotten all the

protesters occupant of the building. lou -- out of the building. lou? lou: ed, the president called up the national guard, he is the only one who can do so. muir yell bowser, the mayor, wanted that protection. he also asked for other federal protective officers and agents. we haven't seen video that shows them in any large presence. what can you tell us about that,? >> reporter: yeah. there are 1100 national guardsmen that have been activated. they're staging, so they're not on site as of yet, but they will be throughout the city of d.c. including near the u.s. capitol to back up the capitol police. it's not an active force that's going to be on the front lines. this is something that's going to back up the police force that's already there. you know, one more interesting thing that happened here, the president tweeted that message telling folks to go home. well, twitter has now labeled that tweet, has flagged it so it cannot be liked, it cannot be shared, it can only be read on the president's twitter account,

and it's because he put in the line there saying that we know the election was stole then from the us, we know you're upset. because of that line that he put in there, basically, the tweet was flagged, and it cannot be shared for widespread consumption. lou: twitter is run by idiots, and that is about as ridiculous as -- well, it's sort of a standard for twitter and its tendencies toward fascist censorship. it's outrageous. ed lawrence, thanks for being with us and bringing us up-to-date and please check in with us throughout this hour. joining us now is jim hanson, former u.s. army special forces, president of the security studies group, a national security and foreign policy think tank. jim, good to have you with us. this is a scene that i never imagined we'd be discussing, conservatives, trump supporters, protesters and demonstrators and in some cases rioters storming

the capitol building in what has been a day of protests in support of the president and against an election that those people and millions of others considered to have been fraudulent. your thoughts. >> you know, lou, i actually find myself in the odd position of just having finished a manuscript entitled "winning the second civil war without firing a shot" about pretty much this she scenario. it's designed to show how republicans need to revamp our institutions and the people who let us down that caused this problem. and avoid the fact that our side is angry, the left is angry, and and this has been escalating for a while. so i think we're at a very dangerous situation, and i think this is an outgrowth of that. i think the people are rightfully feeling that their voices have not been heard, the courts have not allowed evidence to be heard. they've used technicalities to avoid it. and i think they're sick of

that. and i think we're in a dangerous position where if we don't get this urn control, we'll be -- under control, we'll be in trouble. lou: well, we're -- i think it's safe to say -- in considerable trouble when we look up and we see so many people who have taken charge of the, now that control is being wrested from them, that for a number of hours today took control effectively of the capitol. in fact, shut down, i don't know whether or not they've resumed, but shut down the certification process before the electoral college voters. electors. the idea that this president has called upon them to leave and to return home and to do so peacefully, i happened to talk with the president earlier today, and if i know how concerned -- and i know how concerned he is. i know how much of their pain he shares. he has been very empathetic and

very concerned for their safety and for that of all of the law enforcement and national garden troops as well -- guard troops as well, all people on those streets. it's a very, it's extraordinary that we're concluding this process -- we're trying to, we've begun that conclusion -- and then to have street the violence erupt like this, it tells you how much trouble we really are in and how our institutions are failing us. and i think we need to name names here. the state legislators who had the ability and the responsibility first and foremost to follow the constitution. i'm talking about the democrat-led primarily state legislatures changing unilaterally the election laws of their states, permitting an

agency, a secretary of state to do so without the state legislature raising its voice and affirming those actions or initiating those actions. the supreme court twice had the opportunity to step in and stop that, did nothing. and now these last few days may be well an exercise in futility, but they're certainly an exercise in expression and the demonstration of frustration with institutions that are letting the entire country down. >> without a doubt, lou. and i think we have to do something. there's no question this cannot stand. this was the worst election in u.s. history. and the american people have rightly lost faith in our ability to conduct them fairly. but you did point out that there is blame to go around. i would place some on the rnc for not foreseeing some of these election shenanigans that the democrats were pulling. it's the their job to be looking

for those things, and we gave them -- my organization personally are -- gave the rnc some information about electoral vote rolls being manipulated and ballot harvesting and and other things that were going on in california. none of this got looked at or changed. so i think we need to go ahead and in the intervening two years before the midterms, we need all the state legislatures to hear from us that we will not tolerate elections where we cannot identify the voters and where anyone can be registered and anyone can vote without id. that's absurd in this country. lou: and the president, his handling of the day's events as they still unfold, your judgment? >> i think him calling for people to go ohm peacefully was -- go home peacefully was exactly what was necessary. this got out of control. the people have a right to peaceably assemble and redress their grievances with the government. they do not have a right to break into the capitol during an

event that is part of our constitutional process. that can't be accepted. the president did the right thing telling them to go home, and i hope now instead of creating more violence, we create new institutions to go ahead and make sure that the people can vote safely and the republican party becomes a force for the voice of the fighting spirit that trump instilled in it. lou: yes. and the republican party is going to haved to do another self-examination. the expression in 2012 was autopsy to see, to examine their failures. it, perhaps, wasn't quite candid enough. without donald trump in 2016, the republicans would have lost, it looks like, four out of four presidential runs. he will have an immense impact on what the republican party does and how it changes over the

course of time. jim, thank you for being with us, as always. appreciate it. jim hanson. we're going to continue here in just a moment. we'll take a quick commercial break, a quick one, i promise you. our coverage of this incredible incident in american history goes on right after these quick messages. we will continue reporting from the nation's capital, yes, the nation's capital, as you see there. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ e, here's one that'll really take you back. wow! what'd you get, ryan? it's customized home insurance from liberty mutual! what does it do bud? it customizes our home insurance so we only pay for what we need! and what did you get, mike? i got a bike. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

lou: breaking news now, washington, s police chief has announced that they have recovered five weapons from today's demonstrations and demonstrators and protesters and rioters who entered the u.s. capitol building. thirteen of those individuals were arrested all of whom are not from d.c. obviously, out of state. joining us now is sara carter, investigative reporter, fox business contributor and great american. sara, great to have you with us. as we are watching a scene that is so remarkable in part because this crowd that came together to support and cheer the president, to air their grievances as well, some of them turned into a mob,

turned into rioters and broke into the capitol. it was astonishing given that these are the first conservatives that i can recall in my career who actually took to the streets. and here we are tonight, sara. your reaction. >> well, i've got to tell you, lou, i was there in d.c., in washington, d.c. as early as 10 a.m. this morning. i was watching people pour in. for the most part, these are people from all across the country and all from the metro d.c. area who were there to support each other, speak their peace, support donald trump. many of them just went there because they wanted their voices to be heard. i was walking down the street, i mean, it was -- at first it was thousands, then it was tens of thousands, then it -- i looked across the landscape and over by the monument, and i said, my gosh, there must be at least 200,000 people here in the city.

as people recognized me, they'd come up and they'd talk and they'd say, you know, we feel like we're not being listened to, we feel like our voices are silenced, we want someone to hear us. you know, it was very peaceful, and i think people felt very unified. as the afternoon went on and after the president spoke and people started to march towards the capitol, you know, there was an offshoot group. and i think this was expected. some of us were saying there was enormous concern that people have been so divided and so worried in our country for so much time now that there was concern that some people would cross the line, that they would cross into, you know, into capitol hill, that they would cross police barriers. we saw some people breaking window, we saw others enter but i've got to tell you, overall, lou, the majority of people were peaceful. it got out of control. and you're right, it was something that was stunning. i've got to tell you there were a lot of people very worried,

very scared. but for the most part, all the people that i was in communication with, the people that were right there said for the most part the majority of people were peaceful. and i think a what we're seeing right now is let's quell the situation, let's take a step back and everyone think about what's happening right now. let's all go home before this gets occupant of hand because i think -- out of hand because i think the big concern is that tonight, and this is my neighborhood, you know, the washington, d.c. metro area will fall victim to more violence. we have antifa on the ground, we have other groups on the ground. we also have, you know, trump supporters that don't want to leave. so i think right now is a time to take a step back. lou: the president making it very clear in his message to those demonstrators in the capitol and others who did not participate that they had made their point and that they had -- [audio difficulty] and had taken advantage of their

first amendment rights and, as you say, predominantly peacefully and properly. but what we -- >> correct. lou: -- do not know right now is about one incident, and i am going to, if i may as i -- i'm going to speak to my producers as i speak to you. the reports, unconfirmed, uncorroborated and unexplained by authorities of the capitol hill police, all other agencies we have not been able to get the particulars of a woman shot during entry into the capitol. i am, i am begging the producers to get the details and the facts. every single one of them, no matter how scant they are, i want to know who fired a weapon, i want to know whose weapon it was and why this woman was shot, and i need that desperately. we do know -- now, this is the peculiar part of it -- we do have reports that she's in critical condition in a d.c.

hospital. >> correct. lou: we do not know anything beyond that. do you know more? and, again to my producers, scurry, please. let's get this on the air. >> i've seen the video. she appears very young. i spoke to sources who were actually in the area when they heard the gunshot take place. they were actually talking to sources who said they were eyewitnesses to what happened. like you said, there is very little information. i don't want to give out incorrect information. this is secondhand, what i was told. but it appeared that she crossed into the capitol from what i was told and shots were fired. i do not know who fired those shots, but i was told that she was in critical condition, and the video that i was able to see, it appeared she was in critical condition. she was bleeding quite heavily, lou. it was a really shocking video. it was very alarming. it was hard to believe that that took place. i know a lot of people in the area were very concerned.

they were shutting down washington, d.c. at six, so at 6 p.m. until tomorrow morning there is a curfew. people are asked to get off the streets. the mayor has asked everyone to get off the streets except for the most essential workers so that there isn't other incidences like this, but we know there's people still out there. lou: i want to -- we just, our senior producer told me that the latest reporting comes from wifa television in washington, the cbs affiliate, that the woman was among a group that rushed doors apparently either in or near the chambers, rushed the doors rather than getting back and was fired on by one of the police officers as she charged them. >> right. lou: whether she was armed, we

do not know. whether she was threatening, we do not know. it is a difficult, difficult situation always -- >> well, lou -- lou: go ahead. please, sara. >> this is always a tragedy, right? yeah, this is always the concern, this is always the tragedy when even as a journalist when you're covering situations like this where there's protests that could turn into riots where people are moving in a mob mentality, where there's a number of people moving and particularly in an area like this on capitol hill where there's a high volume of security, where there is enormous, enormous concern, and we see what happened, you know? any type of quick movement, any type of rush, any type of movement into an area that is secured could result in a shooting like this, and it did. and i think that that was the concern on the ground for a number of people that i spoke with as i was leaving. a number of people were very concerned that things would get out of hand just because there were so many people on the

grounds. and you had everyone in the capitol too. lou: yeah. if you've never been around a mob, hundreds of people, dozens of people moving, it is a volatile situation to say the least -- >> very. lou: an explosive moment. it is one of the most difficult challenges for law enforcement, and it is, when these demonstrators turn rioters and disregard both law and common sense, tragedies occur and, apparently, that is what has happened in one incident. we will be bringing the details as we are working feverishly to get them. but, again, a woman is in critical condition having been shot ostensibly by capitol hill police as a group rushed chamber

doors inside, inside the capitol building. what you're looking at here, ladies and gentlemen, also is these are live pictures of capitol hill police officers in riot gear, obviously. and they are, obviously, also and very much so in control of the area that is within, well, the sight of our cameras this evening. the capitol in the background where they are not yet fully until control. sara carter, always good to have you with us. we appreciate it. thank you so much. >> great to be with you. lou: we'll be right back with much more. stay with us. (announcer) if you've struggled to lose weight,

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now, it's also where she'll make sure bella nails her science presentation. this school year, many ymca's are transforming some of their spaces for virtual learning. the y. forever learning. for a better us. lou: fox news congressional correspondent chad pergram in washington and back on the broadcast. chad, we understand an announcement has just been made on the loudspeakers on capitol hill at the capitol. tell us about that. >> reporter: they came on the loudspeakers here that can be heard internally inside the building and also outside that this curfew hits in washington, d.c. at 6:00 eastern time. and if you're still on the capitol grounds at that point, you're going to be arrested. they're saying you have to leave, you have to get out of here. this is part of this effort over

the past couple of hours by u.s. capitol police and other federal authorities to secure the building which we believe that they have done so here in just the past half hour or so and then, secondarily, clear the grounds. we are being told that the intent so far is for the house and senate to come back into session later tonight. ostensibly, to finish the process. now, liz cheney, who is the chair of the house republican conference, and hakim jeffries, democratic chair, he indicated, and i'm going to read you this statement where they said: we will not allow the mob to undermine the rule of law. the capitol is being secured, we are going to return to finish our responsibilities. now, the question is if they come back into session, will they do it in the house and senate chambers because there's damage there and in other parts of the capitol. they don't have to do it there. they also don't have to finish the process certifying the electoral college today under the electoral count act of 1887,

they have five days to still do in this. and the other question, even if they do come back into session, i would imagine you would have speeches from people talking about, you know, the mob violence today here at capitol hill and the surge into the building. but also, you know, whether or not this would end or at least truncate the process of certifying the electoral college are. some of those republicans from both the house and senate, will they back down and say, okay, you know, enough of this, we're going to certify the electoral college. that's unclear at this hour, lou. lou: yeah. a lot is unclear but one thing always clear, congressmen and women tend to be melodramatic when it serves their time and opportunity to be on camera and to speak to the folks back home. it sounds like it will extend rather than curtail the process. it is good to know that they are committed to doing the people's business, and we wish them godspeed and get on with it.

chad, any further information on the shooting? there is -- i cannot understand why there is so little information coming from the capitol hill police about what happened. >> reporter: you know, a lot of times, you know, when there's just a run of the mill incident here, you know, we don't get a lot of information. it is sometimes pulling teeth. i have some pretty good sources behyped the scenes -- behind the scenes who i've not been able to get ahold of today -- lou: this -- chad, if i may, we have just received word from msnbc's reporting they are reporting that the woman has died in hospital. she's, was in critical condition, but reports on msnbc say she has died. chad, go ahead. i just wanted -- >> reporter: and that's something i can't confirm. yeah -- lou: no, we're not asking you to confirm it. tell us what you know. >> reporter: i think that's also one of the issues up here,

you know, they are often very protective with information when it comes to law enforcement. you might remember some years ago we had the gyrocopter that handed on the lawn, and never was there a statement issued about that incursion. that showed kind of the weaknesses in security. there was a lot of criticism from members then. lou: yeah. well, the criticism of the media is appropriate in that instance because the fact that you tolerate being -- not you, but the members of the congressional media -- would tolerate that kind of behavior from, you know, the american public's right to know particularly about incidents and events in our nation's capitol are paramount. and it shouldn't be tolerated. i know that the arc of journalistic history has been toward less information, not more, but that's an arc we need to bend in a different direction entirely, don't you agree? >> reporter: yeah. and that's always the problem with congress though when trying to get information here when it

comes to law enforcement. you know, the constitution says that they have the right to make their own rules, so unlike a local police department or sometimes, you know, you can go and get the actual police report, sometimes that's not the case here on capitol hill. lou: you're talking to a guy who started his career early in the mornings on the police and fire beat -- >> reporter: me too. wman in mansfield, ohio. i would go to the police department -- lou: yuma, arizona, chad. [laughter] thanks so much, chad pergram. >> reporter: thank you. lou: joining us now, one of the most impressive pollsters in the country, chief pollster of the trafalgar group and one of the people who predicted president trump would win 2016, robert haley. good to have you with us, robert. we want to get a sense, first of all, this is, again, violence on the streets, it is in reaction from the right in this country, not the left as we are somewhat

inured to witnessing and eventually expecting. your thoughts about a what is happening in the country from your perspective as a political, an esteemed political pollster. >> yeah. when people are very . people are very frustrated. they act out. they don't use good rationality. same thing happened with some of the protest this is summer. lawless behavior that damages public or private property is not acceptable and when you harm a law enforcement officer who is protecting the property, trying to get you to follow the law is not acceptable. not acceptable for anytime anywhere. that is not the way we solve problems here. lou: it isn't the way we solve problems here but it is the way some people seem to try to solve problems or advance their solutions and i'm talking about the left in this country.

the stunning thing here, this incident is rising from the right, conservatives, republicans, usually apathetic, staid, somewhat reserved, if you will. and with sometimes you sort of give republicans, you know, you just can't imagine them using that kind of energy to go to the streets. and here they are acting just like the left in many cases that we witnessed over the course of, from may to, to it august following the death of george floyd. your thoughts about that irregularity and and unpeculiarty. >> what you know, it is absolutely peculiar that part of the problem it its not equally condemned. we're seeing a total double standard. part of what frustrates people is the double standard, is the

sense that the system is rigged, they're not being treated fairly. just the simple coverage of what happened today and what happened this summer microcosm what is making people so frustrated. it needs to be equally condemned if it is wrong. that is the way it should be. lou: well, it is condemned, it is wrong and it is sad that we are witnessing this but the comparison to the violence that we witnessed for little over three months this past summer is, it's extraordinary the hypocrisy of the left, and frankly of the right when it comes to this kind of civic unrest and just absolutely unacceptable as you say, robert, behavior. robert cahaly. great having you with us. thank you so much.

we thank you everyone for joining us. that is it for this hour. coverage of the unrest in d.c. continues here on fox business. ♪. elizabeth: i'm elizabeth macdonald. welcome to "the evening edit." we are in breaking news mode. the washington d.c., mayor ordering a curfew starting right now. police are trying to clear capitol hill, clear the capitol building, after it was hit with chaos. it went into lockdown. shots were fired inside of the capitol hill building as congress has halted the electoral vote certification. unclear when that will begin again as protesters stormed into the u.s. capitol. lawmakers evacuating from the house floor. guns were drawn. with me now, edward lawrence. he is inside the capitol hill building. he is at the russell