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was hard to see those images and the uncertainty. and i just have to let you know, if you were pained by that, if you were upset and you don't know what to do those emotions, that means you love this country pretend that it's a beautiful thing. because no matter what happens, this is the greatest country on earth. and i am proud to be a part of hot freedom. good the washington d.c. mayor ordered her curfew right now. police are trying to clear capitol hill, clear the capitol building after chaos. they went into lockdown. shots were fired inside the capitol hill building as congress has halted the electoral vote certification. unclear when thaton will begin s protesters stormed into the capitol. lawmakers evacuating from the house floor guns were drawn. with me now edward lawrence inside the capitol at the
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russell rotunda. what's happening right now? >> right now at can tell you there are multiple reports that the wind was shot at has passed away and died. oshe was shot outside the house chamber w. we don't know who shot her why she was shot but one person possibly according to reports are seeing has passed away. there's teargas used inside the capitol to get some of these protesters away. apitol grounds, they came from the mall area, down pennsylvania avenue, unconstitution to the capitol mall area. what happened police were simply overwhelmed. there will be an investigation how folks got in, they seemed overwhelmed when the mob of people came. the doors opened, thousands of people poured into the u.s. capitol. at one point there was a protesting standing at the senate pro tem seat shouting that trump won the election. tear gas was used inside of the u.s. capitol, moved the folks
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outside of the capitol. the atf, the fbi as well as capitol police going door-to-door to get the protesters. you're seeing on the screen, out of chambers, house and senate chambers. also out of the halls of the u.s. capitol. the complex is massive with a lot of underground tunnels. protesters went into some offices, possibly going through drawers and overturning. there were windows broken on the capitol grounds. what the world saw was chaos with this. the national guard has been called n. 1100 national guard troops are backing up the officers. they're not in active role sitting on the streets but they are backing up the officers and the police presence that is here. now all of this started because the objection that was happening, the folks were protesting the electoral college results coming in. they wanted the election, or those electoral votes to be objected to. we do understand the business of that possibly could continue again tonight. once the u.s. capitol grounds is
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cleared, lawmakers are planning to possibly come back and start that again tonight. the process where they were is they were on the first objection in arizona and the joint session had been paused. members went back to their respective houses, the house and senate chambers. they started debates on that. it was in the middle of the debates when protesters forced their way into the u.s. capitol. that caused them to pause what they were doing, the work that was done. we understand the pause may be lifted later on tonight. they're still trying to work that out. they do have a number of other states to get through. each of these processes of objections takes three to four hours. we're looking at first objection, arizona. there are five more to go. again they're trying to clear the capitol complex and that's what is going on right now. back to you. elizabeth: edward lawrence thank you so much. we're hearing reports protesters want to occupy the capitol hill building throughout the night. 13 have been arrested. at least five weapons seized
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according to d.c. police. nancy pelosi's office has been vandalized. photos were ripped down, tables flipped over. we're also hearing reports of multiple devices with what appear to be pipes and wires have been picked up around washington, d.c., and the capitol hill area. police, excuse me the bomb squad did successfully detonate a pipe bomb at the rnc the dnc has been evacuated. let's welcome to the show, back to the show republican congressman mark green from homeland security. sir, thanks for joining us. what did you see happen today? >> thanks, liz, for having me on. i didn't get to see much. i was in the tunnels when the commotion started upstairs. i went to our secure place, locked ourselves in. we've been a part of the messaging system keeping up with what is going on. but it has been one interesting day, that's for sure.
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tragic actually. elizabeth: well, republicans who object to the vote result, who dispute the vote result, they too are condemning what has been going on, what happened in d.c. today. we're talking officials like brad parscale, ric grenell, kellyanne conway, senators ted cruz, rand paul, marco rubio, kevin mccarthy, representative michael walz. first daughter vaughn can trump tweeted. her tweet was deleted. >> absolutely. i've been very consistent on this. i denounced antifa storming of the portland federal building. all that mess i denounced, riots related to the tragic death of george floyd. that was a horrible experience with the riots. afterwards i denounced those. i denounce this. this is unacceptable. it is not how action happens in a nation of rule of law is
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central and paramount we are. what gripped me as i saw all of this, all images, our capitol complex hasn't been treated like this since 1814 when the british stormed the city and burned the white house. that is the last timing is like this happened. this is unacceptable. elizabeth: yeah. it was, critics are saying it was wrong when antifa rioted, when black lives matter protests turned into riots and destroyed cities, towns,s about directs were torched. businesses were lost. government buildings were destroyed or damaged. people were beaten. dozens were killed. that was wrong. this is wrong. that is not debatable, right? >> that's right. they're both very consistent message here, all of that is wrong and i denounce anything, con dim any form of rioting like that. it is unacceptable.
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elizabeth: you know, so we had, you hear is also happening breaking news coming in from the hill, state capitols in georgia, texas, utah, arkansas, oregon, kansas, six states, their state capitols are seeing protests now happening. police are moving to protect elect the officials n atlanta, georgia police escorted secretary of state brad raffensperger to safety. in oregon they burned in effigy governor kate brown. we're seeing protests breaking out what happened with the vote result. people are frustrated clearly. what happened with capitol hill descending in chaos roundly condemned. your thoughts? >> there is no doubt this election system, when you circumvent the normal process where a legislative branch writes laws on how a election be conducted, that is what happened. the executive branches wrote executive orders that changed the rules of the system, massive
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mailout balloted ripe for fraud. we've been warning about this for months. it created a lock of confidence and seething anger amongst the people and frustration about the election. that still has to be addressed. despite what happened today, despite we have to fix our election system and make sure people have confidence in the vote. lots of things that got changed in order to do that. we've been saying this for months but what happened today cannot happen. unacceptable. elizabeth: to your point, what you just said, the texas lawsuit which was wasn't even heard at the supreme court, that lawsuit said that georgia used the use of absentee mail-in ballots in georgia increased seven fold but the rejection rate plunged 94% for those mail-in ballots. people are frustrated about that. they're seeing what happened
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with mail-in ballots. they're seeing state legislatures not signing off on these mail-in ballots but state officials including judges signing off on it. that circumventing the constitution. that is unconstitutional. people are saying that is wrong and that needs to be addressed. senator ron johnson says a commission will do it. is that enough? >> well i think today we should have heard the debate. the frustrating thing about today, what happened today is that we were actually debating. i mean that is the point of today's objections were to debate and talk about this issue. we didn't get to do that because obviously it was postponed because of the, of what happened. we need to have a conversation and yes, these things have to be fixed. my preference is, i'm a federalist. i believe the state legislatures ought to be compelled to fix this but know short of that, congress is going to have to act. elizabeth: okay. congressman mark green, thanks so much for joining us. let's bring back to the show, former u.s. attorney brett
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tolman and fox news contributor deneen borelli. first, your reaction to what happened on capitol hill today? >> now, liz, any form of violence is just absolutely outrageous. i don't care what their political party is, whether it's democrat, republican or otherwise. what we are seeing and witness something just absolutely outrageous and it's dangerous. having said that, liz, what i am seeing in the news with the headlines is, trump supporters have stormed the capitol. now anyone who has stormed the capitol should have the book thrown at them. i don't care what political party they are but there are reports on the ground from people who are posting on social media that they saw agitators causing chaos, looking to create trouble and there are also reports of individuals who were at this event today, thugs who were at previous events. their photos have been posted on
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social media. so to blanket this as trump supporters, storming the capitol, both headlines in the stories are not accurate. elizabeth: okay. we hear what you're saying. let's get to brett tolman. you know, what you're saying deneen is not yet to be confirmed but there are reports coming across social media. we'll try to confirm what you just told us. you know, brett, we have a woman shot inside of the capitol building. she has now passed away. we seem to have protests overtaking stat capitols of half a dozen states. your thought what is happened today? >> liz, it's a scarey time to be on the hill when something like this happens. i was there not long after 9/11. we were evacuated multiple times. we had the governor of kentucky fly into unthorrized airspace. sirens went off. we were bunkered down a while. that was over quickly.
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the anxiety, fear, was palpable, it is difficult. this is even worse. i agree with the deneen, it doesn't matter which political party we are, what we want as a country in consistency in response to violence and riots. regardless of what party you, regardless of your beliefs. if you resort to violence after a peaceful protest is launched we need to have consistency in how we stomp out that view lens. elizabeth: and consistency how it is condemned in the media, right? >> absolutely. elizabeth: because we've seen it before, we've seen, you know, people on the left saying you know about the black lives matter protests over police brutality and deaths in police custody of black people turn into riots. people were justifying that, those finger wagging about violence need to read up on our nation's history. maxine waters was saying get up in your face. chris cuomo asking what, tell me where it says these protests are
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supposed to be peaceful when it is in the first amendment of the constitution. let's get back to that, the constitution protects peaceful protests, not what happened today. not what antifa has done torching u.s. cities. your thoughts? >> well it is certainly does not allow for an inconsistent message byup in this country. we saw that, we saw some were posting bail by those arrested for violence. we saw very little said about condemning riots that became very violent in multiple cities across this country. now what i see today are republicans and democrats together with single message and that is condemning the violence that is occurring on the capitol. i would love to see that all year long. elizabeth: okay. let's get back to deneen borelli. deneen, vice president pence and senator tom cotton said prosecute these individuals who created mayhem at the capitol.
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throw the book at them. what do you say to that? >> i totally agree with that point, liz. this is what, what we're seeing is just unspeakable. this is happening at our nation's capitol. people think that they can get away with this if nothing is done to them. we've seen all the violence and mayhem that happened earlier this year. people must be held accountable, yes, throw the book at them for sure. elizabeth: we're just breaking news right now. we're showing live images of the national guard moving in riot gear pushing back on protesters in order to clear capitol hill of rioters and protesters. it is unclear how many are still inside of the building. again, let's recap. a woman has been now, reports confirmed, a woman shot inside of the building, inside of capitol hill has now passed away. we have multiple officers hurt. we have at least 13 now
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arrested. multiple devices with what appear to be pipe bombs, pipes and wires attached to them, confiscated around the city. deneen, your thoughts about this, a pipe bomb, the bomb squad detonated successfully a people bomb at the rnc. your thoughts about that. >> that is just absolutely outrageous. i hope there are cameras that picked up the individuals who planted the bombs in the buildings and perhaps the streets as well. again, a message needs to be sent that anyone that is caught rioting, looting, trying to harm people in any way, shape or form, must be held accountable. i mean not just for a couple of years. i believe the president implement ad law, if you desecrate or damage a statue, i think it's a 10-year sentence if i'm correct. so the book needs to be thrown at them and then some, liz. people cannot go out in the
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streets and do whatever they want because they think that is the way it should be and they have the right to do so. it is wrong. elizabeth: it is the peoples capitol. it is the u.s. voters capitol. it is the peoples house, right? deneen, i think that is what you're saying. deneen and brett, you will day with us. i would like to bring in retired policeman and acting director of i.c.e., tom homan. your thoughts on what happened in d.c. today? >> i don't support any criminal activity. i will call out anyone turning peaceful protest to riot. anti-trump protesters in d.c., seattle, portland, chicago. i will call at someone with trump supporter that commits a illegal act. i applaud, joe biden came out on national tv and admonished people that turned into riots on capitol hill.
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i will say that he wasn't too quick to anti-trumpers, what they were looted chicago, portland, chicago, many other cities. he only denounced them that his silence was hurting him. i'm glad he came out. i'm glad the president to calm down, obey the law. what is happening today, there is no excuse for it. i equally admonish them doing what they're doing. elizabeth: constitution protects peaceful protest. that is what the constitution says. it doesn't allow for this. it doesn't allow what happened to smaller cities or towns torched to the ground by protests earlier in year. go ahead, tom. >> in joe biden wants to de-escalate the anger and actions of millions of people that think this heck shun was stolen, he could be presidential and agree with the trump administration, announce independent third party special counsel to investigate the election and widespread fraud.
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if he is president for all americans like he said he would be, he wants to unify americans, that is what he said, why not? if he believes he won the legislation fair and square he shouldn't have a problem with it. get a third party, special counsel. that is what people want. people want answers. give them answers with the special counsel investigation. elizabeth: joe biden did urge the president to give a national address condemning the violence. we're seeing dem leadership asking the president to come out and condemn the violence of the president today doubled down on vote fraud and did say to these protesters go home, be peaceful. we now have a move to impeach the president and invoke the 25th amendment by democrats ayanna pressley, ted lieu, ilhan omar and others. so can you, that is what is happening right now. we're showing live shots of the national guard. they were called in from virginia. also d.c. called in. we're talking hundreds if not up to 1000 national guard troops coming into d.c., moving in on
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protesters to clear the streets of washington, d.c. can you talk to us about what happened the moment senator jim lankford was talking about his disputing the vote result? one of his aides came up and said protesters have breached the building. talk to us about what is the police, what happened with the police response right then and there? can you talk to us about that? >> well i can tell you this, i've been on capitol hill many times as i.c.e. director. the capitol police are grade a, professionals, they're well trained so i'm also puzzled how they got inside of the capitol building because they have a special response team, special operations team that respond to things like that. i think there needs to be an investigation what failed. on the response plans, what didn't work correctly. but you know, if you look at, i'm disgusted by what happened today, liz and people went too far when they attack capitol hill, especially the capitol police. police officers finest 1% this
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country has i believe members of congress, they need to know what it victims like angry mobs, unfortunately what happens, american taxpayers constituents have been dealing with angry mobs for over over a year and congress hasn't taken steps to address. awe abiding business owners had businesses burned down. many in the house called for defunding police as crime rose. will they defund the capitol police? surely not. they saw today, law enforcement is good guys protectors in the nation. they protect them against violence mob. you're american communities need protection from the police. terrible what happened, disgusted, what happened, maybe congress has better understanding and who police are needed in our communities. elizabeth: that is tough lesson, that is not the right, you know, critics say that is not the way to show congress how do it, storming into the capitol building. that is not the lesson to give them. so you know, the thing is, let me break in right now.
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we've got breaking news. national guard is moving in. when you see them wearing black vests that is riot gear. they have shields. they are setting up barricades. tom they're moving aggressive to moving rioters out. this could be combustible situation. can you tell us what is happening now? when we see live action shots. how far in, what is the steps that these officers take in order to clear the mobs? what exactly do they have to do now? >> well, they have to give them fair warning they're in violation of the law or the curfew. they will push them to the outer banks of the capitol hill property. in black vest, rather than having camouflage vest on, instead of military action. the black vest has name on it, insignia, people know who they are. a lot of communications they will be freely leave, not be forced to leave. safety of american and women is
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important. make me clear, liz, i'm not supporting on capitol hill, what i'm saying congress got a piece of what the american people have been dealing with in the cities taken over by mobsters. so i think if anything good comes out of this we'll understand how important law enforcement is to protect the american people and members of congress also. elizabeth: yeah. let's turn back to deneen borelli and brett tolman. tom, sit tight for one second. i want to ask deneen about that. when we started to see rioting going on earlier in the spring, we were talking to the people on the ground, we were seeing smaller towns and businesses districts getting torched, highways getting blocked, government buildings and small business buildings getting damaged and destroyed, people beaten, dozens killed, did you see the media reporting on it? , not playing a blame game here. we're saying this was a tinderbox ready to explode starting in the spring. what do you say, deneen?
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>> liz, i can recall the image of a reporter standing in front of a building that was burning down he had the audacity saying most protesters were peaceful. this is what we've been seeing forever recently with the media, anti-trump media. they're lying. they're cheating. they will say anything. all comes down to the common denominator of president trump. they despise this president so much they will do and say anything including lie. elizabeth: okay. let's turn to brett tolman. you know critics are saying the president didn't acquit himself today, brett, to what happened in capitol hill. basically saying his first words should have been peace. instead they're saying he doubled down on voter fraud. yes, voter fraud, critics are saying need to be investigated. it is not being investigated right now. that is the frustration but when you see what is going on right now in washington, d.c., when
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you see what happened across the country, now, brett, half a dozen states seeing state capitols happening in georgia, texas, utah, arkansas, oregon, kansas, half a dozen states are seeing the same potential action in washington right now, how do you stop it? how does it stop? >> well you know we are a victim of our own rhetoric. won't sides of both sides of the political aisle in washington, d.c. and around the country. what the president says is never liked by the other side and vice versa. there are individuals, evidenced by the people bomb found at rnc, there are individuals who do not care about either political side. who simply want to tear down and destroy this country. that is something we've tried to shine on a spotlight on. we asked for democrat and republican leadership to speak out against it. this is a powderkeg that has been built up, added to, fueled
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with the flame of rhetoric that has not been helpful on either side of the aisle right now. elizabeth: i want to point out the president has called for peace. he is asking for peace right now, telling the protesters to go home. tom homan, coming back in, is that effective? >> i would say the trump supporters who are law-abiding citizens they will listen to the president. for those who acted unlawfully today, they probably won't listen to what the president's words are but you know what? i will say it again, the people that violated laws today, broke laws today, created violence, they need to be held accountable, they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law like we do with anybody else who riots across the country. a lot of people listen to the president. those who are intent as the last speaker said, those who are intent on violence to tear this
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country apart, it might be enough. elizabeth: tom homan. sit tight. we're going to bring in congressman greg stuebe, republican from florida. talk to us about where you were today on capitol hill, what did you see? >> i was in the main house chamber and then in the capitol building when things started to unfold. and then when they decided to house down the house chamber there was breach. the senate side was breached first. the main capitol building was breached first. when they housed down the house floor i was outside of the house floor and was not able to get back on the floor with other members that were in the floor area. so myself and three other members got stuck in a conference area, conference room adjacent to the floor with several other security members. we were there during the do duration of the event until
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capitol police came back in with tear gas and cleared the hallway. elizabeth: were you told to grab your gas mask from under seat in the chamber? >> i wasn't in the chamber. i do think members were told that because, well, there was a period of time i was out near the opening towards the steps on the west side of the capitol and they were also using gas to try to keep the crowds back from coming into the building. you could smell the gas. it was definitely throughout the capitol. they got all the members off the house floor and group of us that were stuck in the conference room were there after they got all the members off the floor, after there had been a breach. after they got the members that were on the floor secured, they came back to pockets of folks like us to try to get us off and back into the secure area of the building. but that took, after they secured everybody else, we were
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in this conference area with other law enforcement and until they were able to clear the hallway. elizabeth: to recap, 13 arrests, five weapons recovered. a woman has been shot and killed. she was shot, reports coming inside of the capitol hill building. this as thousands swarmed the steps of the capitol and overwhelmed police. we saw the footage, police, capitol hill police visably in fear. plus fighting to gain control. national guard removing protesterss right now, trying to clear the capitol hill building itself and tunnels as well. congressman, your thoughts on the events today in washington, d.c.? >> well i, i sent out a statement, i condemned violence we saw with black lives matter around antifa. anytime, nip, i don't care what organization or group you're part of, if you're economisting crimes, you're acting violently, you're attacking people or property they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent
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of the law. we condemn those actions and, it makes us, makes it very difficult for us up here to do our job when people are being violent. there is a process for us to express our first amendment rights. a process for us to voice our frustrations in a peaceful manner. that is what we were doing on the house floor when all of this happened and, any type of violence i completely condemn. elizabeth: you know, our show has sources in venezuela. they are now contacting us saying what we're seeing in on capitol hill looks like what is going on in venezuela. what they saw in other towns across the country it looks likes venezuela. your thoughts on that? >> well, it certainly shows the ability for a large group of people to get into the capitol a heck of a lot easier than they thought it would be. you know we're only allowed to
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keep firearms in our offices. you probably saw some of news reports even think about restricting that right, democrats restricting that right. i have a significant training with firearm. i served in the military. i was a former infantry officer. i served in iraq. there is no reason i shouldn't be able to carry lawful firearm in protection of myself. obviously the capitol police couldn't keep people from coming into the capitol. after all this is done there will be a lot of examining how this happened, how the breaches occurred, if it is -- elizabeth: how did it happen? >> i think they breached -- elizabeth: we spent -- but, let me back up. the taxpayers spent hundreds of millions of dollars on security in washington, d.c. how did this happen. how was this allowed to happen? >> i thought what was interesting you saw mayor bowser, d.c. mayor after all this occurred, oh, i activated the national guard two days ago.
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why weren't they here if you activated them two days ago? this started 3:00. it is now 6:30. we're still locked in our offices, locked in the building. my staff is here, not being able to leave. when things started to unravel to get them out of the building they wouldn't be here and get locked down so the entire complex got locked down. we're locked in with no ability to get out and yet people are still coming in. that creates a very dangerous situation where we don't have the ability to defend ourselves. we can't carry a firearm everywhere in the capitol grounds. capitol police are dialing with the people coming in. they're not allowing members. there are plenty of entry an exit points to let us go out. they weren't allowing to us occur. that was not a good decision. there were many points of time we were stuck in the room we were in. people banging on the windows. protesters were outside of the door.
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we were surrounded by protesters other than officers inside with us, if we wanted to leave and vacate the premise at any point in time we can't do that i think there will be a lot of examination on behalf of the sergeant and the police department as to what the best response to something like this is in the future. elizabeth: yeah. let's stay on this for a second. let's recap you just said. you are now locked inside your capitol hill office building with your staff, is that what you're saying? >> right now i am but when all of this occurred i wasn't on the house floor. so when they locked down the house floor and evacuated the house floor i was stuck outside of the house floor and with other officers and got a paraded into ad joining conference room on the house floor. that was only place they could put me. we were not allowed to exit the building, exit the house tunnels. i was with two house members, one capitol police officer, one
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sergeant at arms officer and surrounded by protesters. there was no way for us in or out or anything. elizabeth: this is a dangerous situation right now for you congressman, is that what you're saying? how many other congressman, how many other people, give us a rough estimate how many are locked and trapped in their offices on capitol hill? >> that was earlier. once capitol police cleared the actual capitol building, we were able to leave the room we were in to go back to our offices. every member of congress right now has not been able to get out of our offices. they're locked in your offices wherever that may be in the capitol complex, cannon, rayburn or longworth because the entire complex has been shut down. elizabeth: okay. so stay on this. so you're saying now every member of congress is now in their office, is that what is happening? let's be clear. >> all the rank-and-file members i would assume in their offices because you can't get out of the
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building. leadership was taken wherever leadership was taken. they have their own security detail but rank-and-file members of congress are in their offices not able to get out. elizabeth: okay. we're staying on the story. congressman stuebe, we would like you to stay with us, be on stand by. we want to bring in young americans for liberty analysts kristin tate, a terrific author an columnist. kristin, you heard what congressman stuebe just said. it appears still a dangerous situation inside of the capitol hill building. members ever congress told by authorities to stay in their office. your thoughts on this? >> today's events have been hard to watch. attacking law enforcement and attacking the capitol is dangerous for anybody that believes in the constitution. members of congress literally locked inside of their offices. we saw the vice president of the united states being escorted off the house floor. as conservatives many are angry.
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i understand why. people are exhausted. for almost a year now people have been locked in their houses due to orders put in place by politicians who they feel hate them. now they feel that our election system is no longer fair. there are millions of americans out there who just think the whole system is corrupt and rigged and we're seeing a breakdown in trust in our institutions but violence and lawlessness, it is just going to make things worse. it is unacceptable. it is not going to change the result of the election. ultimately all of this behavior is going to embolden the democrats because now they will be able to justify a slew ever radical actions, probably including gun control by citing today's events. the violence has got to stop. elizabeth: so you're saying that, by the way, let me back up. what is more effective way to get your point across? >> well, i mean peaceful protests is patriotic.
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that is what trump supporters should be doing, peacefully taking to the streets. that is pattry patriotic. rioting, criminal behavior is not acceptable on either side of the aisle. this is not hard to understand. it wasn't acceptable when blm and antifa did it this summer. we should have the same standard no matter who is doing the behavior. for much of the year blm, antifa, terrorizing cities, burning down businesses with impunity. kamala harris raised monty to get rioters out of jail. they continued to do that when they found the american people don't like rioting. they changed their tune. it is hard to hear people like joe biden all of sudden calling for peace when they haven't been consistent. again we should all despise
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violence of any kind from any side of the aisle. thankfully donald trump has told these people to go home. i hope they will listen and i fear that as night falls and the night continues on they may not listen and it may get worse. we have to remain hopeful. elizabeth: we hear what you're saying, kristin. already a woman has been shot dead. she has now since passed away. she was reportedly shot in the neck inside of the capitol hill building. i would like to turn back on tom homan. kristin, sit tight for a second. tom homan, can you talk to us, i hope tom homan is still with us. he is gone. is brett tolman still with us? okay. let's bring on lieutenant darren porcher. lieutenant, i would like to talk to you, thanks for joining us. congressman greg stuebe, he has been on the phone with us, he is saying, he have and his staffers
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are now still inside the capitol hill building. he feels that the dangerous situation that they should be allowed to leave. he is questioning how the capitol hill police and authorities are handling this situation right now in washington. as we see the national guard moving in to push back on protesters to clear washington, d.c. your thoughts on congressman stuebe and what he is saying? >> my heart goes out to him. it begs the question where is the contingency plan in connection with capitol police? i go back to my experience back in 1996 when i was a sergeant in the nypd. we had a riot in madison square garden. there were 20,000 person capacity. we had upwards of maybe 200 officers and we were dealing with a very volatile situation but we had a contingency plan. we forecasted for potential, the potential for these types of demonstrations. therefore, fortunately we were able to escape this with minimal injuries to both the officers and patrons that came to madison
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square garden. fast forward looking what we experienced in here at the capitol, this is a travesty because the capitol police in no way, shape or form did a essential intelligence assessment what could potentially happen here. we all knew, this doesn't take a rocket scientist for us to figure out that there was going to be a demonstration at the capitol. therefore as a result the capitol police should have put forth the necessary fortifications to insure that protesters and as well as congressional members were safe as a result. elizabeth: now they're feeling unsafer. members of congress, we do not know the number. seems like multiple members ever congress again, we're breaking news from congressman greg stuebe. they're still locked inside of their office. officers are not letting them leave because what is happening on the streets. is that the right choice here?
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>> we have two alternatives, we have evacuation or shelter in place the public safety authorities feel the shelter in place is the best alternative in the wake of the disturbance that is impactingthe capitol. their intelligence is the only intelligence i have from the outside. elizabeth: again, we're not second-guessing. we're not playing arm chairman critics here. we're removed from, we're trying to gift viewer the reports of what we're hearing, what is coming in. breaking news from reuters coming in. house speaker pelosi is telling members of congress to shelter in place inside their offices on capitol hill, lieutenant. your thoughts on that? >> well, the shelter in place comes in play because they believe that the members of congress would be safer if they're contained in their offers as opposed to possibly leaving that area and being possibly assaulted by protesters
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that have not been contained in the outer perimeter of the capitol. so i believe that is why they introduced the strategy of shelter in place. elizabeth: so i hear what you're saying because it is keeping them safe inside because the fear there are weapons among the protesters outside of the building. we're seeing half a dozen weapons recovered by d.c. police. 13 arrested. a woman, to recap, has passed away, she was shot inside of the capitol hill building. that is the top priority now as the national guard, lieutenant, moves to clear the area. so how quickly can the national guard move in and confiscate a weapon? as a lieutenant, your thoughts on that? >> well confiscating a weapon, i mean granted, if it is in plain view it is something you can do but if an individual is surreptitious about it will be very difficult for the national guard to make that assessment in
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it particular playing field. i think you have to use culmination of national guard, d.c. metro police and the capitol police, triangulate those three components. that is going to use as a plausible strategy to possibly eradicate violence and quell the disturbance plaguing the capital compound. elizabeth: lieutenant, sit tight. we'll return to former i.c.e. acting director, former police officer tom home on the breaking news happening. tom, here is what is happening, congressman greg stuebe and multiple members of congress sheltering in place in lockdown inside the capitol hill office buildings. reuters is reporting that pelosi ordering people stay inside the building. what does that tell you is happening outside the building. >> i agree with what the lieutenant just said. sheltering in place is
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appropriate active response to active shooter. better protect them inside with more officers. once they get outside there is no guarranty they will get protected f they continue to shelter in place, they have information, intelligence, there are still people outside looking to do harm. so they're safer inside of the building, sheltering in place. the capitol police trained for this. they trained numerous times for what they are doing. i don't know how the breach happened. that has to be investigated. these men and women in the capitol police, they're great men and women. they can't run. they can't hide. they have to stand there on the front line and take it. they will get assaulted, they will be attacked. their responsibility is to protect the members of congress. anybody that assaulted the police today, anybody that went to the capitol an broke into the capitol and went beyond the barriers. that disgusts. that is a symbol of our nation's freedom an institution should be
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honored. anybody that did that should be held accountable. the capitol police, they are well trained. if they call for shelter in place, we need to let them do their job. elizabeth: breaking news. former u.s. president george w. bush releasing a statement condemning this quote, sickening and heartbreaking site at the u.s. capitol. we're also seeing information coming in for just reference. there were 14,000 arrests and more at the police brutality protest that descended into riots. torched u.s. businesses in small towns and cities across the country. damaged government buildings including courthouses where multiple police officers were injured. they were blinded by things like lasers. they have projectiles thrown at them. you know, we're seen that happening since may. dozens of people were killed in rioting since may. so, tom, you and i have been talking about this story for months on end. we've been covering it. your thoughts on what trump supporters are saying.
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they're frustrated. they're upset about what happened earlier in the year in these smaller towns wasn't adequately given a fresh airing reported on the media. we don't want to descend into moral relativism drawing false equivalence sis excusing what happened in washington, d.c. with what happened with the protest and riots earlier in the year. what the debate is, the discussion is this, report it all, tom, right? >> absolutely. and that is why i was talking about earlier. i think what happened in our other cities with the riots and looting and burning businesses lost, people injured, law enforcement officers, several hundred were injured, there is absolutely no excuse. the media should have covered that. but they didn't. they didn't cover it fairly. we've all seen it. i'm as angry everybody else what is happening across the country. i'm angry what happened today. but we got to tell the american people what is going on.
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we have to be truthful and fact all i worked with this network. when i was i.c.e. director, this network would tell the truth. they didn't hide the truth. they talked about facts on the ground. that is why i'm working with you today. the american people heard the truth. if american people heard entire truth what is going on in this country, a lot of anger, this anger coming out they're not informed. they have don't know what is actually happening. so more we tell the american people the facts on the ground what is happening across the country, it may be angry today, but they won't, they won't to many criminal activities and rioting if they understand what is going on and what the response is. congress, this is the second part, not only does the media have to report it truth philly. congress has to act, to do a legislative fix of what some haing this country today. elizabeth: critics are saying that the president encouraged what happened today. effectively this is terrorist attack on the u.s. congress.
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your thoughts about that? >> i don't think the president encouraged it. president trump and i worked very closely. he loves this country. he lovers this country. he wants people to fly that american flag on their front porch. supports law enforcement and our military. he wants this country to thrive. this president does not want people violating law. he is law and order president. every law enforcement agent in this country endorsed candidate for president, endorsed president trump. that speaks volumes when the president thinks about rule of law. anybody would say he encouraged this type of unlawful activity, rioting, attack on democracy today they are plain wrong. they don't know this president. elizabeth: let's return to congressman greg stuebe. is greg stuebe still with us on the phone? >> i'm here. yes, ma'am. elizabeth: turn now to former -- is that congressman greg stuebe? are you still with us? >> yes, i'm with you. elizabeth: congressman, we're hearing that the house and
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senate are going to come back around 8:00 tonight but the chambers are trashed. glass is everywhere. slipperily floors. we've got a pandemic going on. it is unclear if they can move that quickly. according to fox news reporter chad pergram. are you hearing that? >> that has been rumored, there is nothing official that has been put out. i mean the house floor it is my understanding the woman that was shot was shot entering the house floor. so that in my opinion is a crime scene. i don't know how you can bring members back in when something like that has occurred on the house floor. we just recently got an email to, from the capitol police to continue to shelter in place. so if that is the case i don't think they have, as mr. homan was talking about, i don't see how they secured everything if they're still telling members to shelter in place. i don't see you how we come back in two hours. you have to have the vice president come back to preside the over the session. i have don't see how you get his
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motorcade through. i don't see anything official sent to us that we'll be back in two hours. elizabeth: congressman we hear what saying. you're saying effectively this was a crime scene because a woman was shot inside of the building. so how can you conduct a joint session of congress to you know, move forward on certifying the electoral college vote. what would be the alternative? any ideas, any thoughts? >> there was talk we could meet, we don't have to meet in the house chamber. we could meet somewhere else. the only other place big enough the cdc auditorium. it is in the basement. i am sure it wasn't breached. it was so far down. the protesters didn't have any interest getting in that spot. of they wanted to breach the capitol. we could meet there. we didn't get any information to continue to shelter in place in our offices. elizabeth: congressman. we know you gracefully, generously stayed with us. we know you got to go. thank you so much for your insights there. we really appreciate it.
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let's welcome back to the show tom del beccaro of california. tom, you're an astute observer of events like this. what are your thoughts what happened today? >> i'm not sure exactly what -- we're not sure who they are. there is always that issue. you covered this very well the violent portion but they, whatever they were doing they have succeeded in taking away the actual process of counting the votes. that could have been their intent. but that has to go forward. there is a constitutional obligation. and so i expect in the hours ahead that, and my discussion with congressman doug -- [inaudible] they are, he assumes that they are going to be going back to work at some point. they have know choice. they have to finish this
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constitutional obligation, to the constitution, to america. elizabeth: tom, thanks for joining us. sit tight just for one second. we want to bring in top border, one of the top border officials in the country. he knows a lot about securing perimeters and securing cities and towns. he is ronald vitello. ron, there is breaking news coming in. we're watching the national guard trying to move the protesters out of capitol hill, trying to clear what is going on. sir, we're hearing from congressman greg stuebe, breaking news too, house speaker nancy pelosi is telling members ever congress to stay inside of their offices. that is happening now. members ever congress are basically locked inside with their staff in their offices. your thoughts what is happening now? >> yeah. it is terrible. your heart goes out to the national guard and the capitol police officers that have to be put in harm's way like this. this is lawlessness. it should be condemned at every level. this is not what we expect to
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have happen in our system of government. people are allowed under the constitution to peacefully protest. this is not that. this is lawlessness. it should be condemned and, you know, my heart goes out to the law enforcement officers to clean this mess up. elizabeth: your assessment how long will this take? because we have a curfew happening right now. it just started at 6:00 in washington, d.c. capitol hill police, national guard, secret service involved and other authorities involved. how long is your assessment will this take to clear capitol hill? >> they're going to have to have sufficient resources, national guard being there. capitol police, their mobilization, it will depend on the size of the people, their compliance and what kind of resources law enforcement can bring to the table. you have to put that combination together as the lieutenant said and focus it on where the dangers are. they have got to control the real estate, right? that is part of what happened. they breached the capitol.
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now they got to take that ground back and hold it. make sure that there is not people amassing outside that can attack. one thing i would like to mention, there is a lot of cameras protecting the capitol as well. i hole the investigators and the capitol police get images of people who broke those doors down and broke that glass, tried to rush the chamber. it is all on video. those people are identified and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. this can't stand the way it is. elizabeth: critics say shocking and disturbing sites of guns being drawn inside of the capitol hill building. talk to us about reports multiple devices discovered around washington, d.c., with pipes and wires attached. the bomb squad successfully detonated pipe bomb at the rnc. talk to us about that? >> i commend those officers, the bomb squad people for saving
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lives literally. this doesn't have, this is not, that is not peaceful protesting. that is not an opposition, that mobilizes to change things in this country. that is lawlessness. it needs to be con delled and those people -- condemned. those people as well who put devices there, they need to be located, taken off the street and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. elizabeth: ron vitello, thanks for joining us. we'll turn to brent bozell. media research center president. brent joins us right now. we're seeing reports come in, thanks for joining us, brent. not just in washington, d.c. other states as well are seeing the state capitols hit with chaos and unrest. we're talking georgia, texas, utah, arkansas, oregon and kansas. your thoughts about that. >> sure, this is an explosion of penalty up outrage from middle america. look they are furious that they believe this election was
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stolen. agree with them. they are furious of the deep state. they brief washington is utterly corrupt they have had it. i agree with them. they're furious with antifa, rampaging in the street and lawlessness, one copper single street is being shot to death. think about that one for a second. i agree they're furious with the censorship of free speech that is taking place. so the fury was there. unfortunately it was controlled fury with with the vast majority. one element went forward with lawlessness. it has done tremendous damage to everyone else. >> the perception now of the u.s. around the world is being damaged. that is the concern. we've got the uk prime minister, boris johnson, weighing in saying america is supposed to be a beacon of light. of freedom and democracy. he is heartbroken what he is seeing happening on capitol hill. former u.s. president
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george w. bush is hard broken and sickened by what he is seeing. so, we're hearing from our sources in venezuela saying what they're seeing happening here is what they're seeing in venezuela. your thoughts? >> insee the video is showing some very, very disturbing stuff. you can never countenance police being attacked. you cannot countenance our national capitol being breached like this. i think it is absolutely wrong. i'm not playing moral equivalency, liz. you made the point. it was a very good point. i'm not playing moral equivalency. if anyone wants to criticize what happened today, melissa, they damn well better have criticized antifa for the last year and black lives matter for their lawlessness, their destruction of property. they're killing of people. if they have done that they had ever right to be critical. if they have not done that, let those people who have been reasonable an have been
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objective in this, let them speak out. elizabeth: so do you feel like this is also destruction of people's credibility? that people just won't listen to people who are now rational and reasonable and, have 30,000-foot perspective and saying look, this is what is happening on the ground? this is what we're seeing. why aren't you talking about it, roundly condemning it since the spring? is that what is happening now? people are saying we'll not listen to individuals that don't that anymore? >> they feel, those people who are there, and again, i agree with them. believe this election was stolen. they believe their vote was stolen. they're looking at washington d.c. and they cannot believe that nobody will help them. when this national election, most important thing this nation does, when the it was stolen, they look at washington as utterly corrupted which it is. they're looking at the lawlessness all over the country
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and refuse ago of mayors and governors to do anything about it. they're sick and tired of having their speech censored. this was an eruption of outrage. i am heartsick about that element that has been so destructive and has done so much damage to a very noble cause but the damage they have done to conservatives like me is profound. elizabeth: we hear what you're saying. you're saying what happened is today in washington is inexcusable. frustration, we're reporting on that but you're saying it doesn't excuse what happened in washington, right? >> no. but what i'm saying that no one will look, it bleed it leads. no one will look at pictures whatever the 900,000 that didn't participate in this, who were there marching peacefully. no one is going to look at that. no one ever looks at marchs by conservatives that are peaceful, the right-to-life march every single year.
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the tea party marchs where they pick up their own wrappers. they never gotten credit for this. so no one is going to look at the overwhelming majority that were peaceful. they will look at the bad guys. by the way. by the way melissa, i hope there is thorough investigation. my guess is, when all this is over, you're going to find that there were bad guys on the other side who were also participating. it is just a hunch. elizabeth: we don't know that. those are an confirmed reports. nearly 100 state legislators, many out of battleground states saying we're not confident in the vote result. so it is just across the board. this is what is happening. violence is not the answer. violence is not the answer. there has to be a peaceful way out. your final word. >> it is not crazy who are objecting. hundreds, tens of millions of people. 40% of the american people believe this was stolen this is not a handful of people. it is a national outrage.
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elizabeth: understood. brent bozell, thanks for joining us. thank you greg, congressman greg stuebe, congressman mark green, deneen borelli, brett tolman, tom homan and tom del beccaro for joining us tonight and kristin tate. i'm elizabeth macdonald. thanks for joining us. ♪. lou: good evening everybody the nation's capitol tonight under curfew until 6:00 tomorrow morning. the curfew sparked by one of the most remarkable scenes in american history. thousands, tens of thousands of president trump's supporters converging on the u.s. capitol building demanding free and fair election. at this hour the house sergeant-at-arms says the capitol building has now been secured. however, house speaker nancy pelosi any house lawmakers and staff ho are still in the

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