like me on facebook an instagram and parler @loudobbstonight. we thank you for being with us tonight. peace and joy to you and all of america. see you tomorrow. good night from sussex. elizabeth: i'm elizabeth macdonald. we're staying in breaking news mode. this is "the evening edit." we're tracking new developments at this hour. the justice department now on the move, now bringing 15 more cases before a judge on top of the 40 cases brought in the last 36 hours about the breach of the capitol. we're talking unlawful entry, firearms, theft, more, one case involves 11 molotov cocktails. yesterday two explosive devices were found at both the dnc and rnc. now the bomb squad successfully deactivated both those devices. let's get an update right with edward lawrence in washington at

capitol. good to see you, edward. reporter: liz, there are more quiet than 24 hours ago when i came to work. lighter than normal amount of people. there is a lot of trash where folks are cleaning up. we're in the cleanup phase, the investigative phase, to figure out how the folks stormed the u.s. capitol and got in. workers cleaned off some blood off the floors. they boarded up windows that were broken and ransacked offices. there were two pipe bombs, one left at nc headquarters. one left at the dnc headquarters. listen to the interview on fox news earlier. >> i've seen pictures of the devices and they look very similar suggesting that the same person probably did both rnc and dnc devices at the same time. i can't relate them to any other devices that were found. i don't have information on that at this point in time. reporter: the same person. he says other devices were

picked up around d.c. and northern virginia but confirms those two as real. now there is a state of emergency that is extended in washington, d.c., through the inauguration. that allows 6200 national guards members to be available to deploy around the u.s. capitol and throughout d.c. now in the chaos yesterday 68 people were arrested. there were four people who died in the events unfolded here. 56 officers were injured. one was pulled into the crowd and beaten and tased. chief of capitol police has ordered, offered his resignation. house speaker nancy pelosi asked for that resignation. now again he offered it. now lawmakers are pointing fingers. >> you thought you were in the safest building and place on the planet and then kay cost ensues and you have the bar bear cans at -- barbarians at the gate,

literally breaking glass, shaking doors, it didn't seem like there was much preparedness or organized plan. reporter: soon to be senate majority leader chuck schumer says he will ask for the resignation of the sergeant-at-arms on the senate side. if it is not given he will fire him come january 20th. back to you. elizabeth: edward, quick question, four are now dead, right? including ashli babbitt, air force veteran, served four tours. reporter: right. elizabeth: the metro police, they're investigating that right now because it looks like she was, we've seen the video, she was shot at close range. go ahead, edward. reporter: very close range. d.c. metro police have taken over the investigation on all four deaths. specifically with babbitt there was video posted of social media of her jumping through a window. one of the windows were telling her back down, back off, get off the window sill. when she went up there you can

hear the shot being fired when she was shot in the neck. protesters were trying to get her to come down off the window as she was going in. she did say there was a warning went out, come back, pull back, get off that window. she did not heed her warning. elizabeth: edward lawrence great to see you. thanks for joining us. back with us now is congressman greg stuebe. congressman, good to see you, we spoke with you last night while locked in your office on capitol hill. your reaction to today's events. are you confident now washington is safe and secure? >> it was this morning. some of the buildings were still locked down, unusually locked down than they typically are. it was much quieter. they had blocked cordoned off with police vehicles. it was much quieter. you didn't see a lot of people walking around when i was in the airport coming back to the district, you saw a lot of people took in rallies at airport. most of the people there for the rally dispersed whatever states they came from.

a much different place this morning than it was yesterday. elizabeth: yeah. the question is how is this allowed to happen? how did authorities not know when hotels were rejecting people, makes people what else are we not prepared for? tim ryan chair of the panel, what transpired was failure of capitol hill. they said they had a comprehensive plan to keep congress safe. we don't want to second guess the cops. people are saying how did they get so overwhelmed, why did they let people go. why did they let them bo in other riots? >> there is videos of officers basically getting to the point i guess felt overwhelmed, they let people through doors. the barricades got pushed over very easily. there was not officers up on the barricades. the d.c. mayor said she act at thissed the national guard two days before, why weren't the national guard was there? they knew when everybody would arrive and crowds would be

there. just as precaution if you would have had more manpower on the barricades they would not be able to be pushed over. the crowd wouldn't have gotten to the point they were right outside of the capitol doors. at that point there are too many entry and exit points, too many windows for the capitol police to manage. once you have breachesyou're hae front of the house chamber, getting into the senate chamber. that is definitely a failure of whatever precautions they put in place. we need to get lessons learned from incident, safety of all of those at the capitol complex, something like this can never happen again. elizabeth: even, you know, the u.s. attorney is asking why weren't people detained? the question is, we've seen riots since the spring. it is about detaining individuals. why was there no s.w.a.t. team or other specialized unit in front of the capitol? questions are being asked, congress says they will look into it b critics

saying this isn't patriotism. this is terrorism. this is next level. what happened in the spring with the riots is terrible. the media and democrats downplayed, they have been accused downplaying riots that left billions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars in damage to property, small businesses, dozens of people killed. people are frustrated that happen, this is next level. this is an attack on the u.s. government. that is something different, that is what critics are saying. what are your thoughts about that? >> well this summer we had resolutions on the floor condemning mob violence when all the cities were being attacked across the country. democrats refused to bring that resolution up. a simple resolution condemning mo it up because it went against the political base which is antifa, black lives matter. all of sudden they want to condemn the violence but also want to defund the police. i will be curious to see if you hear the progressive left talk about defunding the police after it was actually capitol police

that stood between them and people getting into the capitol. as i was walking up to the capitol as all of this started to unfold they were bringing units to the front which was the west side of the capitol at the time where they had already gotten through the barricades. that tells you they didn't have enoughp manpower prior to people getting there, which to me they weren't fully prepared. they were not allowing members to leave to go back to the offices. they weren't allowing us to leave the floor. they weren't allowed to leave anywhere, trapped there either in the house chamber or somewhere in the capitol complex which i also don't think is a wise choice when you have all the tunnels. members are saver in the offices. there are multiple doors that keep us in there. we have security measures. communications devices in our offices. you don't have that. you don't want 435 members of congress all in one place when walls get broken down. elizabeth: we're showing the footage how it began. this footage on camera is how it started.

we've, we also have this, conservative columnist marc thiessen, former house oversight chair trey gowdy, it started when president told supporters go to the capitol, it will them to do the right thing. show strength. tom cotton, dan crenshaw multiples individuals are condemning the president for that. nancy pelosi, chuck schumer saying invoke the 25th amendment. remove the president now. seven officials resigning from the trump administration including transportation secretary elaine chao, first cabinet woman to do that, wife of mitch mcconnell. listen to senators lindsey graham, rand paul, liz cheney, ric grenell right now. let's take a listen. >> this heightened tension that everything has been stolen you know led to this feeling that nobody believes there is any integrity anymore. so they're just going to riot. >> we've had a hell of a journey. i hate i had being this way.

oh, my god i hate it. from my point of view he has been a consequential president but today, first thing you will see, all i can say is count me out, enough is enough. >> well i mean, look, i think what is important is to recognize we just had a violent mob assault the u.s. capitol in an attempt to prevent us from carrying out our constitutional duties. and there is no question that the president formed the mob. >> let's also start by saying we have to condemn this violence. it's a very sad day. we had the moral high ground by condemning all of the violence last summer and into the fall and now we have to be very clear about condemning this violence. elizabeth: congressman, your reaction to that? >> yeah, we absolutely have to condemn the violence. i have condemned violence we saw with antifa and black lives matter. we need to do the same thing with this. as i said regardless of the organization, regardless of the group, regardless of the

individuals if they have broken crimes they need to be held accountable. i was talking to an individual on the flight back with me to sarasota to take part in the rally, there were antifa individuals who were identified part of the aggravators in this organization. he said there was a group, a bus of them that were dropped off. you could see them in some of video in tactical clothing, whering tactical elements. those were not people part of the rally. they were dropped off to cause violence. some say these individuals were part of antifa. until we know all the investigation that comes from people involved in this, that people start getting arrested i think we'll have more answers for the american people. but the bottom line this type of thing cannot happen in america. it can't happen at the u.s. capitol or anywhere in our country. elizabeth: yeah. it is people's house. it is our house. people fought and died. you fought in wars for our democracy and this shook people. they feel shaken. you know the fbi is looking

through security footage camera. they're doing facial recognition. they're getting cell phone footage. we are tracking the reports whether antifa was in there. we're trying to get the evidence of that. neo-nazis, white supremacists are in there too. watch this footage of capitol hill police holding the door for the rioters. this is what washington, d.c., u.s. attorney michael sherman is talking about. letting them go out, not detaining them as they left the capitol. your final word on this? >> well anybody that broke the crime should absolutely be detained. i think challenge they were having detaining all the people. they were having manpower to detain all the people because they were busy trying to protect people in the capital. elizabeth: president signed an executive order 10 years in prison to vandalized federal property. we'll see if it is evenly used

with the riots and people are being charged with earlier riots earlier in the year. congressman greg stuebe. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. elizabeth: coming up former fbi deputy assistant director danny coulson, he will talk about what he thinks. will we see more unrest in washington or are we seeing protests and riots flooding into states across the country. we have a number of states seeing that now. we'll have the update from danny coulson next apps are used everywhere...

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elizabeth: welcome back to the show former fbi assistant deputy director danny coulson. we love having you on. are demonstrations possibly moving out of d.c. or do you see more unrest in washington coming because we are now tracking 13 states? it is not contained to one area of the country. 13 states are seeing unrest. what do you think? >> i think we're going to see more of it. we learned a lesson from seattle and portland it is okay to riot. we didn't prosecute anybody. we had federal officers there who were assaulted every night. no prosecutions came out of that. i hope we prosecute this one, people participating in it. law enforcement is important. we have to fund them properly. the capitol police were not. they weren't staffed properly. we didn't prosecute anybody. guess what, here we go, came on. elizabeth:eer talking colorado, oregon, washington state, minnesota, michigan,

mississippi, oklahoma, florida, arizona, california. we're spot-checking and seeing unrest. we're seeing in certain states, state capitols have been surrounded. people are taking to the streets in los angeles outside of city hall. they went to the governor's house, governor's mansion in washington state. >> washington, yes. elizabeth: so yes, danny, so, you know, what we're seeing now, is these distracting debates in the media. don't do what aboutism and so forth this is about everythingism. look at all in context. you're making the point it started in the spring t should have been shut down then. your thoughts. people are angry, frustrating what has been happening. >> they're frustrated and angry. they're frustrated about the draconian shutdown things. people cannot go to church but can go to walmart. they do nothing about the homeless camps infested with all kinds of serious diseases. they don't do anything about

that. but we come back and say, but you can't go to church. so i think the frustration level in it country is higher than i have ever seen it. we need to get rational. we need to do things pope rattily. people that violate the law, we need to come down on them like a ton of bricks whether you're on the left or the right, doesn't matter. if you violate the law you get prosecuted, you go to jail. we have united states attorneys to have the corerage to do that. elizabeth: so es issue our leaders need to step up to give, and allow people to vent their frustration around acknowledge it. the media needs to acknowledge the frustration. it is not excusing it. this is not moral relevancy. not moral equivalency, not what aboutism. what happened in d.c., they should throw the book at them, throw the book at them, throw the book at everybody who riots. watch joey jones, retired u.s. marine. he lost both legs in afghanistan. let's listen to what he said. watch this. >> but that fine line between a rally and a riot, that is where

american patriotism lives and when you push it too far you lose all of my support, the support of most of this country, you lose any type of shield or badge of honor saying you're there to be a patriot and support this country and make it better. that doesn't make anything better. what happened yesterday is not making things better. that is allowing your emotions to control you rather than controlling and molding your emotions. i can't tell you every election process in this country is fair. i can tell you every time the odds were stacked against me, nothing less than hard work allowed me to win. that is what i believe in in this country. elizabeth: danny, your reaction to joey jones there? >> very powerful. he is absolutely right. we need to do the right thing. we need to demonstrate when we want to and demonstrate peacefully but if you violate the law, if you're on the right or the left you go to jail. elizabeth: danny coulson. great to see you. thank you so much. >> thank you, ma'am. elizabeth: thanks for coming on.

we're heading into the bottom of the hour. on tomorrow's show we will be talking to former u.s. marine joey jones. he will be joining us. he is going to talking to us about the true meaning of patriotism and much, much more. up next fox news contributor joe concha on the hot debate, we talked about it with danny. we're staying on it. the danger of downplaying dangerous riots and attacks on u.s. citizens. media says stop what aboutism, don't talk about that. the truth is reporting everythingism. you got to report it all. the story is next. >> yesterday they could have blown the building up. they could have killed us all. they could have destroyed the government. it's time for the lowest prices of the season on

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remember you have say the leader of iran on twitter saying that israel, an entire country should be wiped off the face of the earth. that twitter account is still up not locked out. elements of the chinese government is saying that the coronavirus was invented by the u.s. army, that is why it killed millions worldwide. that sort of tweet gets left up as well. you have to be completely consistent which isn't possible who you are going to ban, lock out, not allow to use their platform anymore or you simply allow free speech that adults are adult enough to not buy into whatever they're being sold. elizabeth: all right. you heard this. people in the media saying stop the debates about what aboutism. where saying all riots are bad. there is no moral equivalency between riots. we're saying all of them are bad. the issue in washington was not

formed out after bell jar. it didn't come from nowhere t comes from months and months, people downplaying the rioting looting, as you son, vandalism tack took place to the fall. what are your thoughts on that debate? >> i am watching your show, liz, i take your term everythingism. that's right. it is whole picture. the media is such inconsistency. it is completely intentional. it is not what aboutism. it is precedent. what happened in the summer in june, we saw nightly basis, portland, minneapolis, seattle, chicago, riots, not protests, billions in damage, multiple deaths. these things were horrible, they should have been condemned from the get-go. instead we're told by actual reporters on the ground that these are mostly peaceful protests while there is infernos going of whole buildings behind them. one cnn prime time anchor

compared antifa to allied troops storming normandy on d-day. an msnbc host saying people get mad, people are sick of it. people are risking covid to make a point saying we're fed up. in other words the cause is bigger than the virus, these riots are standing for something. this is not standing for something. it is standing for anarchy. they didn't have a cause. they want to see the world burn. that is what we saw during the summer and during that repugnant, sickening display at the capitol that should be condemned as well. you suddenly can't be offended by that when you didn't do anything about it as media and democrats and joe biden kamala harris never denouncing violence over the summer. elizabeth: again, what you're looking on camera, this is not patriotism this is terrorism. throw the book at them. they should be charged under the executive order of the president put in place, you know, vandalize federal property 10 years of prison. do the same for the other individuals who participated, anarchists, riots since the spring. that is what critics like you

have been saying. we have don lemon saying oh, people, basically downplaying the cities are in kay cost right now. he was mocking it. they will take your country away. chris cuomo is saying crime is rising so bad, they're defunding the police. brian stelter saying there is some anarchists in portland. it is a small problem. the chaz zone in seattle is small part of seattle. the downplaying, it is on video. that is what was happening joe. your thoughts? >> yeah. i remember one big report that was touted at the end of the summer found that 93% of the protests were peaceful. well, gee that 7% cared an awful lot of damage, didn't it? like me drinking a six-pack, you know 93% of that beer didn't have alcohol so i'm act to drive. that is what we saw. chris cuomo at one point, why should we, since when did

protests become peaceful and poe lighted? this violence is okay because we believe in the cause. no violent protest should be accepted in this country whether what we saw yesterday or what we saw night after night over the summer. bottom line is, elizabeth, we live in a country that is basically moderate to right of center. we're pragmatists. no one accepts this except we're allowing the extremes to control the narratives elizabeth. elizabeth: you noted that 7% figure where people in the media with saying, there was only 7% that turned into riots. that is 7% of 7,750 demonstrations and protests that turned into riots. you're talking in all 50 states they were hit. you're talking 220 violent demonstrations. billion or more in property damage. two dozen people killed. it is wrong. throw the book at them too. joe, good to have you on. thank you so much for joining us. sorry we ran out of time. good to see you, joe concha.

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elizabeth: back with us fox news foreign policy contributor, also. chiron kiron allies reacting india, germany ireland, scotland, norway about the breach much the u.s. capitol. what is the impact of this? >> they have reacted with horror but so have we. they're is a universal concern about the united states, the

world's most fully functional multi-ethnic democracy having something like this happen. no one expected yesterday morning that we would have a bloody day on the capitol, that the capitol building would be breached the way that it was. so it is surprising for us all. in terms of our allies to go to your point, liz, they look to us because we are, i think a better organized democracy than most of them and we have set of political processes in place that the world admirers. in fact our constitution has been the model for many of those nations around the world emerging democracies to follow. so i understand their concern and their horror because we share it. but on the other side i will say if you look at the sweep of yesterday from just the sheer drama and the bloody nature of what happened, losing life and members of congress being

huddled together in secret rooms trying to be safe, by the end of the night in the early morning hours of the morning we had done a course correction. democracy worked. the electoral college certified the election. that took place. i think that is part of the story that is not -- [inaudible]. right now. [inaudible]. deeply misguided in the end. and very quickly. elizabeth: do you think it is pretty rich that you have iran, china, russia trying to criticize us for this now? >> no. because they criticize us every single day. so when their foreign ministries and their spokes men come out and say that the u.s. has an archaic democratic process, that is what the russians have said or the chinese have said today that, our protesters are like the protesters in hong kong who are actually agitating for

freedom i don't take them particularly seriously because they could not do what we did yesterday, which was to certify an election despite the fact there were protests and confusion. our system was so unique. we have 51 sovereigns in the united states. 50 states and federal government. below, that localities part of the system. complicated nature of our democratic process is something that i think is been on display in 2020. in addition to all the sovereigns, we also have a robust civil society and, this is what advanced democracy looks like. we have a lot of ad discussing to do, a lot of work to do. but we're still the model for the world. and we are going to prevail with a peaceful transition of power. elizabeth: i will end with good news. that is on a separate note, totally separate. we'll end with this, u.s.

imports from saudi arabia in terms of oil have, there were zero imports into the u.s. the u.s. did not import any oil from saudi arabia. that is the first time we've seen that in 35 years. interesting note there. kiron skinner, good to see you. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. elizabeth: sure. just like to keep you updated on all the news coming into our studios. we have a special programing note. you want to check out "the future of capitalism" virtual town hall with charles payne on january 13th at 2:00 p.m. on the fox business network. there are questions what will happen with free markets in the incoming biden administration, new regulations, taxes. you can send your questions to us on facebook or instagram or you can email us at investedinyou@foxbusiness.com. charles payne is a terrific guy. we love him. you will want to watch that one. next up "the daily caller" editor vince vince will how

republicanses deal with joe biden taking over the senate and do they have a mandate? >> what republicans need to do now that election is behind us is to focus on the radical agenda of the democrats because they're coming in with a plan to raise your taxes and defund the police, to slash military spending to open our borders. we can't allow that to happen. we have to organize and concentrate on protecting everybody we believe around we think is good for this country. l business owner. pie insurance here with some sweet advice to stop you from overpaying on worker's comp. try pie instead and save up to 30%. thirty percent? really? get a quote in 3 minutes at easyaspie.com. wow, that is easy. so, need another reminder? no, no no, i'm good.

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♪. elizabeth: let's welcome back to the show "the daily caller" editor vince coglianese. great to have you on, vince. does joe biden have a mandate? it is pretty tight democrat edge in both chambers. narrowest majority in history could be. does he have a mandate?

>> that is razor thin by definition that is not a mandate. the only way you get mandate where you have sizable advantage in both houses. that is not what joe biden has. he will be have control of unified government ultimately by kamala harris's tie-breaking vote. american public are upset with democrats house races are best best expression. a year of democratic party excesses, several years of democratic party excesses defund the police and flirtations out right adherences to socialism desperately hurt the party. despite what else you might hear in politics that is a big storyline. elizabeth: ballpark this, what are we going to see? much harder to pass policies unilaterally with razor thin edge. only seen it this thin in terms

of 50-50 split twice in six decades. brian fallon, spokesperson for hillary clinton and try to pack the courts and do things like eliminate the filibuster. we understand you need 60 votes to pass most legislation. we understand democrats can try to change the rules. there will be a big fight on that to do raising taxes through budget reconciliation or do something like obamacare again through budget reconciliation. what are your thoughts? >> look, brian fallon who you just cited is one of the most rabid democrat partisans in the country. he speaks for the aggressive aspects of his base, but his old boss chuck schumer has not embraced the idea they will actually get rid of the filibuster. he waffled on the question. in particular joe manchin, the west virginia senator, known as more of a moderate democrat he said he will not vote for this. he will not be getting rid of the filibuster. can we hold him to his word?

not necessarily, he almost always voted completely in line with the democrat party in the senate so we'll see. that would be a big deal. if they get rid of the filibuster, it will be open season on some laws. actually being able to do things like create new states. that will be a huge deal. elizabeth: okay. so we know nancy pelosi changed the paygo rules, greasing the skids for green new deal, global warming, covid vaccinations. we're going to see possibly a big push for covid-19 vaccinations. joe manchin is firewall. he is saying no, he is saying no, separate from that, he is saying no to the green new deal, doesn't like it. joe manchin doesn't like defund the police. hates it. this is the other firewall they're not talking about, the republican attorneys general association saying we're ready to launch. we're ready to go. we're going to sue the biden administration even more than we sued under the obama administration, something like

80 lawsuits. they won 2/3 thirds of them under obama administration. your thoughts about that. >> turn about is fair play. trump administration how many time did democrat attorneys went judge shopping, favorable to them say in hawaii, get nationwide injunctions against the trump administration. trump attorneys general says all right, play that game. if we get a judge to lock up the biden administration and its policies then we will do that where necessary. so i expect a lot of combat here but looking on that issue after mandate, if democrats over play their hand, remember what happened in 2010 when president obama and democrats expended all of their political capital to rambam cair through, they lost control of the house. they lost -- obama care through. they lost their chance. elizabeth: they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

vince coglianese, so great to have you on. >> so good to see you, thank you. elizabeth: sure. coming up former deputy independent counsel sol wisenberg. he will talk about subject that turned into the kryptonite for the media. it is the third new rail for the media. we'll talk about what happened in the election. we'll talk about the voter fraud allegations. even top legal eagle jonathan turley said you have to do something about this. you have got to look into it. sol wisenberg next. ♪ you can go your own way

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♪. elizabeth: let's welcome back to the show he is a guy we like to talk to and listen to, former independent counsel sol wisenberg. sol, good to see you. >> good to be here. elizabeth: more than doubling, good to see you, more than doubling of absentee ballots. mail-in ballots used like never before in this country. this is now kryptonite in the media. we're not allowed to talk about this. this is the third new rail in the media. do you agree with republican senator ron johnson and jonathan turley we need to look into what happened? >> i haven't seen senator johnson's proposal but i've read professor turley's piece and i

absolutely believe there should truly be a bipartisan commission, not made up much senators and relationships but but -- representatives and citizens looking into this, with subpoena power, looking into the election so all of the various rumors can either be dispelled or proven. i think there needs to be a comprehensive look at both the election in 2020 and at what the problems are and what the problems may be going forward. now certainly we had a very initial year with the pandemic but it is very important and people have very legitimate questions about what happened. for example, lower level officials or judges basically abrogating state statutory law. all of that is a legitimate issue. it doesn't mean by looking into that that you are, you are

denigrating the win of biden. i think that vice president, former vice president biden legitimately won the election and i believed that from day one but questions, you know, questions need to be answer and a path forward needs to be looked at because we don't want this situation again. elizabeth: yeah. you know, there is data out there that georgia's reliance on mail-in voting exploded seven fold but rejection rate dropped like 94%. we're seeing uncounted votes, custodial questions about the ballot. you're saying subpoena power. what would that do? how would that be used? >> it forces people to come testify. that's what it does. it gives you a lot more power and so it would have to be given

proper authorization by congress. there might have to actually, you might have to have some representatives on the panel, some executive branch officials on the panel. i don't know that yet. look these questions are legitimate to ask. what about the fact that there was a seven fold increase and yet there is a lower rejection rate? it could be because they got it right. let's distinguish making sure that the system works and works correctly and that everyone understands it going forward. let's distinguish that from a question that still needs to be looked at, which is what happened in 2020. keep in mind, other people made this point, while it is true president trump lost the overwhelming number of cases brought by him, by his team or on his behalf, most of those were decided against him based on procedural grounds. nevertheless there were a few cases where his team was allowed, where they actually

were allowed to litigate the merits and they lost and in those cases, in one of those cases the pennsylvania case, they didn't even allege fraud. with the wisconsin case the allegations were minor. these allegations about vast, about the dominion machines and going, you know, being laundered through offshore, there is not a bit of proof on those. so again, i think there is not a case that has been made at all based upon what i've seen that the legislation results in 2020 were wrong but there is nothing wrong in doing a more thorough examination because most of the cases that were decided were decided on procedural grounds against president trump as team and it's very hard to gather evidence, right, to gather, what we call discovery and to gather evidence and present that in the very narrow time frame between

the election and the certification. so we need a commission that has time to look at this. that's all. i think that is all professor turley is saying. i think it's a great idea. elizabeth: we just showed "usa today" piece before. the sworn affidavits, courts after courts, judges after judges said, it happened before in separate, in non-voter fraud cases sworn affidavits are not enough. you need, judges keep saying you need corroborating evidence to support what is said in the sworn affidavit. keep could make up stuff in the sworn affidavit. hearsay is inadmissible in court. you need hard proof. you need to take time to get the evidence exactly what happened because what happened in washington, d.c., how it exploded yesterday into chaos is directly related to people's frustration over what happened in the 2020 election.

so you're saying give, ventilate it. let it out this. put it out there, the thing will it get entombed in a condition. we had one on the bp oil spill, monetary policy, 2008 oil collapse. jonathan turley made the point, passing the buck. everyone is responsible so no one is accountable. that is what happened with the 9/11 commission jonathan turley points out. >> he talks about that, the problem with the 9/11 commission the way it was structured, it was structured in a way for everybody to cover their backsides. you have to be serious about it and do it the right way. i want to go back to something that you said. yes, there was frustration among a lot of people about the election but part of the reason, but part of the reason for that frustration are the falsehoods told by president trump. that is just a fact.

and so the people, that is all i have to add. elizabeth: we hear you. sol wisenberg, thanks for joining us. we got a hard wrap. thanks for watching. hope you have a good good evening, everybody. the radical left in this country is soon to have full power and control of the united states government. with control of the house and senate now assured for the democrats, congress moved in the dead of night to certified the electoral college victory of joe biden, which, of course, makes him the president-elect. in the process, congress dismissed republican objections to the electors of both arizona and pennsylvania. and in doing that, law